LG Chinese SC2 Tour on OGN - Page 25

On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote:
The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?

On September 06 2011 00:38 Valikyr wrote:

Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.

On September 06 2011 16:00 Squeegy wrote:


Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.

On September 06 2011 16:03 babylon wrote:

It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.

On September 06 2011 16:06 Squeegy wrote:


I just don't like the fact that people keep repeating the same falsehoods all the time.

On September 06 2011 16:38 babylon wrote:

Moon was contracted specifically to play WC3 for WMF, not SC2, which he basically played in his free-time. If you want to claim that he ever played SC2 full-time based on one interview during which he said that he would play the game with more tournaments, be my guest, but until you have more hard evidence as to what his practice schedule actually was, then I don't think you can claim definitively that he ever practiced SC2 full-time, especially when WMF has stated that if they wanted to contract him as a SC2 player, they would do so instead of contracting him as a WC3 player. (The same holds true for Lyn. One interview done on the fly does not evidence make. I can, for instance, point to an interview in which Lyn said that he would not play SC2 professionally because he wanted to stick to WC3 until the bitter end, but we all know where he is now.)

Now, I understand that this is a forum in which you can share your opinion at will, but since several of your most recent posts have basically contained little more than thinly-veiled derision aimed towards WC3 progamers and implications that they're "average" RTS players at best, might I point out that it might possibly be more conducive for you to redirect your energy in a more positive direction? I believe it would be better, for instance, to cheer for your favorite players instead of shitting on WC3 progamers. It would certainly make everyone happier.

And really, you can't deny that destroying MC 2-0 in two one-sided games and defeating NaDa 2-1 at a LAN is pretty impressive for a Moon that most definitely has WCG to practice for, right? But again, maybe you see things differently. Go ahead and continue to think of him as average at best, since I can't control your opinion, but I would like to ask you to stop spreading disinformation, at least until you can obtain Moon's exact practice schedule for the last several months, okay?

On September 06 2011 16:56 Squeegy wrote:


What evidence do you have that he played WC3 during his freetime? And of course he was recruited as a WC3 player. That's where his market value is at. That is why he is so popular in China. However, it just happens that at the time there were no WC3 tournaments he played in and he himself stated that he'd play the game that had tournaments. Well, we both know that he was in GSL. If you don't think it's evidence that he himself tells what he plays, then I don't know what to tell you.

No thanks, I prefer being negative.

Sure, it's impressive. But I wouldn't read too much into it. I've seen players lose to much worse players before in SC2 and this is no exception. When he actually starts delivering proper results I'll take it back. But I don't think he'll ever become big enough to win a GSL for example.

On September 06 2011 17:40 babylon wrote:

Hey, at least I asked politely. Skepticism is healthy, and I can admire you for that, but can I at least ask you to stop being such a downer? Party crashing never struck me as fun. What you're doing is akin to me jumping into a thread where people are celebrating NaDa's victory over Puma at MLG and saying that NaDa's victory was a complete fluke and that he's a far inferior player to Puma because his only decent match-up is TvT whereas Puma's good all-around. Do you see why this might be a little upsetting?

The manager of WMF has stated before that he was recruited specifically as a WC3 gamer. He is contracted as a WC3 gamer. If he is contracted as a WC3 gamer, then it is highly doubtful he would be allowed to play SC2 full-time. You say that he said he would play the game with more tournaments in one interview. And yet, in another interview, he's said that he mostly practices WC3 because there are things he still wants to achieve in that game and that he practices SC2 when there are tournaments. If you've followed Moon during his WC3 career, you would know that he's always been remarkably cryptic and noncommittal with his interviews. That's how he's been for years and years and years, and that's how he is now.

Nobody is saying he will win a GSL. Nobody is saying he will dominate as much as he did in WC3, especially given the state of the scene so far and the fact that he's both older and married now. Nobody is saying he's as good as MC or NaDa, and anyone who does believe that is delusional. His mechanics aren't solid enough, and his overall game sense isn't what it could be. However, these results do suggest that he has not hit the limit of his skill in SC2. Basically, it's a sign of things to come, and people simply think that things are looking pretty up for him, given that he's a hybrid progamer whose gotten decent results even with his attention divided between two games. The assumption is that when he actually focuses completely on SC2 (as in, when he's still not hungering over that WCG title) and devotes more time to it, he'll become even better than he is now. This is not an unreasonable assumption, as far as I can tell, but feel free to correct me if wrong.

On September 06 2011 17:55 tyCe wrote:

I agree with what you've said but in that case, people shouldn't blame Moon's loss to Loner as due to the maps. Just following the same logic here.

On September 06 2011 17:40 babylon wrote:

Hey, at least I asked politely. Skepticism is healthy, and I can admire you for that, but can I at least ask you to stop being such a downer? Party crashing never struck me as fun. What you're doing is akin to me jumping into a thread where people are celebrating NaDa's victory over Puma at MLG and saying that NaDa's victory was a complete fluke and that he's a far inferior player to Puma because his only decent match-up is TvT whereas Puma's good all-around. Do you see why this might be a little upsetting?

The manager of WMF has stated before that he was recruited specifically as a WC3 gamer. He is contracted as a WC3 gamer. If he is contracted as a WC3 gamer, then it is highly doubtful he would be allowed to play SC2 full-time. You say that he said he would play the game with more tournaments in one interview. And yet, in another interview, he's said that he mostly practices WC3 because there are things he still wants to achieve in that game and that he practices SC2 when there are tournaments. If you've followed Moon during his WC3 career, you would know that he's always been remarkably cryptic and noncommittal with his interviews. That's how he's been for years and years and years, and that's how he is now.

Nobody is saying he will win a GSL. Nobody is saying he will dominate as much as he did in WC3, especially given the state of the scene so far and the fact that he's both older and married now. Nobody is saying he's as good as MC or NaDa, and anyone who does believe that is delusional. His mechanics aren't solid enough, and his overall game sense isn't what it could be. However, these results do suggest that he has not hit the limit of his skill in SC2. Basically, it's a sign of things to come, and people simply think that things are looking pretty up for him, given that he's a hybrid progamer whose gotten decent results even with his attention divided between two games. The assumption is that when he actually focuses completely on SC2 (as in, when he's still not hungering over that WCG title) and devotes more time to it, he'll become even better than he is now. This is not an unreasonable assumption, as far as I can tell, but feel free to correct me if wrong.

On September 09 2011 11:05 yoonsun wrote:
is it possible to find vods of these games somewhere?