From the translation on PlayXP (Source: link): LG will hold a SC2 tournament in China, from September 3rd to September 4th at the Beijing Olympics Water Cube. The winner will receive 10,000,000 Won (~9,280 USD), second place 5,000,000 Won and third place 2,500,000 Won. Broadcasting company in Korea will be OGN. And there are some notable players in the following list of invites:
So excited to see it on OGN. And kinda smart of OGN to broadcast it on China through a backway and not going by GOM LOL! Or am I just over imagining things ?
On August 24 2011 06:30 shannn wrote: So excited to see it on OGN. And kinda smart of OGN to broadcast it on China through a backway and not going by GOM LOL! Or am I just over imagining things ?
Might be that gom is allowing it. SC2 isent really popular in korea and OGN broadcasting it might help their viewership in the long run
On August 24 2011 06:30 shannn wrote: So excited to see it on OGN. And kinda smart of OGN to broadcast it on China through a backway and not going by GOM LOL! Or am I just over imagining things ?
Might be that gom is allowing it. SC2 isent really popular in korea and OGN broadcasting it might help their viewership in the long run
Yea I could see that happen. Gom is quite helpfull to the e-sports scene although the way they do it might be considered as a beginner. OGN being the much more professional company will definitely help and show how sc2 should be done to GOM.
On August 24 2011 06:30 shannn wrote: So excited to see it on OGN. And kinda smart of OGN to broadcast it on China through a backway and not going by GOM LOL! Or am I just over imagining things ?
Might be that gom is allowing it. SC2 isent really popular in korea and OGN broadcasting it might help their viewership in the long run
Yea I could see that happen. Gom is quite helpfull to the e-sports scene although the way they do it might be considered as a beginner. OGN being the much more professional company will definitely help and show how sc2 should be done to GOM.
Didn't gom give up their exklusive rights on sc2 in Korea? I think this happened in the final rounds of blizzard vs kespa.
On August 24 2011 06:30 shannn wrote: So excited to see it on OGN. And kinda smart of OGN to broadcast it on China through a backway and not going by GOM LOL! Or am I just over imagining things ?
Might be that gom is allowing it. SC2 isent really popular in korea and OGN broadcasting it might help their viewership in the long run
Yea I could see that happen. Gom is quite helpfull to the e-sports scene although the way they do it might be considered as a beginner. OGN being the much more professional company will definitely help and show how sc2 should be done to GOM.
Didn't gom give up their exklusive rights on sc2 in Korea? I think this happened in the final rounds of blizzard vs kespa.
On August 24 2011 06:50 Anomarad wrote: ... so, is this some Chinese ToSsGirL I don't know about or did she leave STX... or is STX letting ToSsGirL play SC2 at the moment?
most contracts in scbw seem to end in august, it's possible she's not resigning and her contract ends, thus allowing a september tournament play? >.< speculation only of course.
On August 24 2011 06:21 ImmortalTofu wrote: I love how Tossgirl is Terran in BW, Zerg in Star2... When will she ever actually be... Toss? Haha anyway... MC, NADA OGS HWAITINGG!!
no, cause if SC3 comes out, theres gunna be a fourth race and shes gunna play that
Tossgirl, y u no play toss in Aiur's time of need?
Anyways, I expect Nada and MC to come out on top, as they have tons of SC2 experience. Moon and Lyn probably may do decently due to some SC2 experience, but I'm not expecting much out of the other players if they face those four, no disrespect to them.
Nevertheless, I hope the matches are fun to watch, and I'm really looking forward to seeing OGN's production experience come into play.
That's super cool to see people from other games like TH000 and ToSsGirl playing StarCraft 2. I wonder if they'll do any good. Hopefully TH000 plays Terran, I loved his HU play back in WC3. That being said, I doubt they'll be able to compete against big name players like MC and NaDa but who knows?
On August 24 2011 07:04 rafaliusz wrote: Sounds like easy money for MC considering so many "WC3 pro's" invites, they should invite some SC2 players IMO.
EH... is this EHOME? (same team in dota2 that got to the finals from the losers bracket/etc?) o.o
also o.O tossgirl... zerg.... she went from [bw: toss -> terran ] -> [sc2: zerg] or something? wat.
(Edit: then again Artosis went [bw: terran] -> [sc2: zerg -> protoss] ...
I would assume that that is the same EHOME. I hope more Chinese players like Sky and TH000 commit full time to StarCraft 2. I know that like Moon and Lyn they're probably playing WarCraft 3 more then they are playing StarCraft 2 so NaDa and MC will probably roll them but I think if they were to play StarCraft 2 full time they would be great!
Looks like someone was slacking more than everyone thought. I thought she was still under contract. She is certainly a special case in some ways, but playing SC2 on the team's time seems pretty extreme. I'm pretty unhappy about this.
wowow they are all wc3 and sc bw pros lol EPIC WIN WIN WIN INFI SKY NADA TOSSGIRL omg this is like blast from the past dude this is gonna be a sexy EPIC baller tournament. ipl, nasl, gsl what? its all about this LG Chinese SC2 Tournament
On August 24 2011 07:13 thopol wrote: Tossgirl?! Wtf?
Looks like someone was slacking more than everyone thought. I thought she was still under contract. She is certainly a special case in some ways, but playing SC2 on the team's time seems pretty extreme. I'm pretty unhappy about this.
The entire team was put up for trade and contracts expire this month. Along with the fact that Tossgirl really hasn't done anything in a very long time.. It makes sense for her to play sc2.
On August 24 2011 07:16 jimchoi11 wrote: i like how some of these Chinese players and moon are like playing 2 games at once dota/wc3 and sc2 xD but i wish they would focus on one.
I am sure Moon and Lyn will focus on Sc2 after the WCG is over, because that might be the last time WCG will get warcraft
On August 24 2011 07:13 thopol wrote: Tossgirl?! Wtf?
Looks like someone was slacking more than everyone thought. I thought she was still under contract. She is certainly a special case in some ways, but playing SC2 on the team's time seems pretty extreme. I'm pretty unhappy about this.
The entire team was put up for trade and contracts expire this month. Along with the fact that Tossgirl really hasn't done anything in a very long time.. It makes sense for her to play sc2.
I guess a few players have switched as their contracts neared expiration, and it's also offseason, but it still feels wrong that she's being paid by a BW team and is practicing SC2. I guess other folks who switched weren't as close to home for me.
On August 24 2011 07:12 ampson wrote: so uh.... free $10k for MC?
It would be absolutely hilarious (yet somewhat scary) if one of the WC3 players or maRie knocked out MC with a 1-1-1 build XD I'd stay far away from any forums for a few weeks lol.
Also, that picture of Raynor has been overused waaaaay too much. Tournaments really need to start getting new art instead of relying on Blizzard IMO.
This one I'm so excited for! Didn't expect the clash between China and Korea to happen already, cool! I so hope it will be possible to follow this event!
On August 24 2011 07:39 duckTemplar wrote: For the record, that's the same place Michael Phelps won 7 gold medals, Water Cube, national auqa centre, lol.
Seems like enough room for a few water cooled computers lol. GG's will be had.
TH000 is just the MOST creative player of WC3. He's not just creative but freaking good. He won like everything the last few years. Love it when saw him switching to sc2.
On August 24 2011 06:49 Oreo7 wrote: Sc2 about to boom in skorea I think. Gogo
Im personally a lot more sceptical about what this event says about sc2 in Korea. Look at the players they are using. Im not saying any of them are bad, but a lot of them seem to me to be players that will already have an established fanbase eg. very well known players from wc3, nada with bw heritage. Also the female players (dont bash me for sexism here im sure theyr fantastic at the game) are probably in part another good attempt to try and pique the interest of people. Importantly, these players do not (for the most part) capture the highest level of play we've seen in sc2. I dont profess to know a lot about the chinese scene but going off their battlenet invitational those guys arnt even the best players on Tyloo.
What this event, or atleast the invites for it, say to me is less about how SC2 could boom and more about how its really failed to do so to date. If a tournament has to pull in big names from other games to get in the viewers rather than relying on the champions of its own then you cant say a lot for how widely known the game's own players are.
That said, this COULD be a really great first step towards engaging a wider audience than sc currently has in Korea, and in that sense I guess this could increase viewership. I suppose you have to hope that the viewers pulled by the flashy names like what they see and look past this one event to see the real depth the sc2 field has.
On August 24 2011 07:39 duckTemplar wrote: For the record, that's the same place Michael Phelps won 7 gold medals, Water Cube, national auqa centre, lol.
Seems like enough room for a few water cooled computers lol.
On August 24 2011 07:39 duckTemplar wrote: For the record, that's the same place Michael Phelps won 7 gold medals, Water Cube, national auqa centre, lol.
Seems like enough room for a few water cooled computers lol.
On August 24 2011 06:50 Anomarad wrote: ... so, is this some Chinese ToSsGirL I don't know about or did she leave STX... or is STX letting ToSsGirL play SC2 at the moment?
what so hard to understand, they are not forced to stay away from sc2 , IdrA got permission to play sc2 when he was on entus...
On August 24 2011 07:39 duckTemplar wrote: For the record, that's the same place Michael Phelps won 7 gold medals, Water Cube, national auqa centre, lol.
Seems like enough room for a few water cooled computers lol.
On August 24 2011 06:21 ImmortalTofu wrote: I love how Tossgirl is Terran in BW, Zerg in Star2... When will she ever actually be... Toss? Haha anyway... MC, NADA OGS HWAITINGG!!
She started her career as Protoss and I *think* her older sister was a Zerg and she kept winning, so then Seo Ji Soo (TosSGiRL) learned Terran secretly behind her sister's backstayed Protoss, defeated her, and been then switched to Terran ever since as we know her from SCBW KR Leagues. Fetching a link to this info right now actually... brb for edit
Ha ha, everybody's freaking out over Tossgirl. Can't lie, I did the same thing. But wow, there are a lot of females in the tournament! Any word whether there will be an English cast of this?
i will be pleasantly suprised if mc just doesnt take this home easy cause really others are all not really established as "sc2" players even tough they were great at the game they played before
On August 24 2011 08:30 Swiftly wrote: i will be pleasantly suprised if mc just doesnt take this home easy cause really others are all not really established as "sc2" players even tough they were great at the game they played before
ToSsGiRL, afaik, has been playing SC2 since Beta days, but nothing as serious as a Korean pro gamer would be, she failed to qualify for OSL recently, in Brood War of course. Prior to this, I can't/didn't see her in any major tournament or league qualifiers. Correct me if im wrong, this last OSL qualifier was some sort of return for her, since I havent seen her in the previous 2 OSL and MSL seasons qualifiers.
On a different note, it's gonna be nice to see her once again, like 23420948 other guys, yeah she's VERY nice looking, but what makes my day is her beutiful smile, even after a loss on stage match, she would smile.
cant wait to see Ji Soo as Zerg... i'm sure the older sister is behind that...
Tossgirl at one time played protoss. Also she could actually be good in SC2 vs in brood war she languishes on the B team and barely is like there still.
Thats a pretty cool location the water cube looks amazing. The line-up is kind of confusing, but it looks like they mostly based the invites on who is famous in China, hence the large number of WC3 pros.
Well, I expect MC to win everything fairly easily.. Maybe NaDa (1/1/1 LOL).
I think this is a good thing, maybe the combination of it being broadcast on OGN plus having a former BW Bonjwa playing will generate some interest in Korea for SC2.
On August 24 2011 08:30 Swiftly wrote: i will be pleasantly suprised if mc just doesnt take this home easy cause really others are all not really established as "sc2" players even tough they were great at the game they played before
ToSsGiRL, afaik, has been playing SC2 since Beta days, but nothing as serious as a Korean pro gamer would be, she failed to qualify for OSL recently, in Brood War of course. Prior to this, I can't/didn't see her in any major tournament or league qualifiers. Correct me if im wrong, this last OSL qualifier was some sort of return for her, since I havent seen her in the previous 2 OSL and MSL seasons qualifiers.
On a different note, it's gonna be nice to see her once again, like 23420948 other guys, yeah she's VERY nice looking, but what makes my day is her beutiful smile, even after a loss on stage match, she would smile.
cant wait to see Ji Soo as Zerg... i'm sure the older sister is behind that...
Nope she's been eliminated from many of the recent qualifiers. Always round 1
I'm pretty stoked to see sky, fly, TH000, and infi switch over to SC2. TH000, fly, and especially sky were absolute MONSTERS in wc3. Can't wait to see what they can do.
On August 24 2011 07:13 thopol wrote: Tossgirl?! Wtf?
Looks like someone was slacking more than everyone thought. I thought she was still under contract. She is certainly a special case in some ways, but playing SC2 on the team's time seems pretty extreme. I'm pretty unhappy about this.
Why? Do you know ToSSGirl personally? Have you some kind of financial investment in her team or in her contract? What possible reason could you have to feel 'unhapppy' about the harmless actions of a complete stranger and more importantly why do you think anyone here would or should care?
Okay guys... The day has come.. TH000 finally beginning with SC2.... He is so damn creative. I watch out for him for sure! Maybe not now, but in the future!
oh my goodness! I'm so freakin excited for this! Will be a good tournament!
On August 24 2011 08:30 Swiftly wrote: i will be pleasantly suprised if mc just doesnt take this home easy cause really others are all not really established as "sc2" players even tough they were great at the game they played before
ToSsGiRL, afaik, has been playing SC2 since Beta days, but nothing as serious as a Korean pro gamer would be, she failed to qualify for OSL recently, in Brood War of course. Prior to this, I can't/didn't see her in any major tournament or league qualifiers. Correct me if im wrong, this last OSL qualifier was some sort of return for her, since I havent seen her in the previous 2 OSL and MSL seasons qualifiers.
On a different note, it's gonna be nice to see her once again, like 23420948 other guys, yeah she's VERY nice looking, but what makes my day is her beutiful smile, even after a loss on stage match, she would smile.
cant wait to see Ji Soo as Zerg... i'm sure the older sister is behind that...
She's been participating in all the recent OSL/MSL qualifiers alright. It's just that she seldom wins a game. I don't think Tossgirl has ever made it past the offline prelims of an MSL/OSL. But I could be wrong.
Anyhow, I wish her all the best. It's also good to see marie back in progaming after such a long hiatus. Lee Jongmi is cool.
I wonder if OGN is going to take the international plunge at the beijing water cube [whoooah, puns] and add in some English Commentary, or even outsource someone to do it.
I was going to jokingly post about how I'm surprised MC isn't going to be in this tournament like every other tournament in the world, then I saw his name.
On August 24 2011 10:23 Heavenly wrote: I was going to jokingly post about how I'm surprised MC isn't going to be in this tournament like every other tournament in the world, then I saw his name.
so.
GO MC
I wonder if MC will regularly attend MLG eventually. Also I can't imagine IPL not inviting him...
On August 24 2011 10:37 Kernen wrote: Not very familiar with the chinese sc2 scene. Is it anything like Korea?
A lot of them are warcraft 3 players.
Infi played WC3 like a Starcraft player, massing defenses, expanding and harassing , i got the impression he had a small starcraft background before playing WC.
Is it just me, or is MC gonna take a massive dump on everyone else? Well Nada has a chance and Moon can be good every once and a while, but MC is just sooooo much better than all of these other "notable" players.
On August 24 2011 07:39 duckTemplar wrote: For the record, that's the same place Michael Phelps won 7 gold medals, Water Cube, national auqa centre, lol.
Seems like enough room for a few water cooled computers lol.
Holy Shit this is pretty major line up. And the price money is HUGE!!! Although not the biggest when you convert it to $US, but consider working class people in cities like shanghai just earns like a few thousand RMB a month, think about the scale of 10 MILLION RMB!! That will for sure raise some attention in China. Just like a normal middle class job here in NA pays a few thousand dollars a month, now imagine a SC2 tournament here that pays $10 million dollars top price. Now that would be when esport stars can compare to normal sport pro athletes.
As I'm typing this now it got me thinking. So much cheaper for sponsors to give huge prize money in RMB. China have huge potential to develop esport industry into as big as South Korea. I hope this will set a good precedence for other big sponsors to host more tournaments in China to get more Chinese players to go pro.
On August 24 2011 10:48 SabreUK wrote: Man Sky is gonna beast up SC2 if he switches :O
I also fully expect Infi to cause a few upsets during the tournament, although MC will more than likely take the whole thing.
There was a Moon vs. Sky showmatch in SC2 during the StarsWar tournament. Sky wasn't that great, to be honest, though he was probably just dicking around; he tried a marine/SCV all-in that Moon held off with ease and then tapped out of the game.
I would be sorely disappointed, though, if none of the Chinese Terrans try the 1/1/1 on MC. That would be hilarious. And of course, I'm very interested in seeing how good Fly and TH000 are. I wouldn't expect amazing play out of them still; Fly, Sky, TH000, Moon, and Lyn are all competing in the WC3 WCG, so they won't have a lot of time to prepare. Expect NaDa or MC to roll through; if there's one Chinese player on that list that might cause an upset, I'd say it'd be Infi. We'll see. Should be fun!
On August 24 2011 10:29 NationInArms wrote: So TossGirl goes from protoss to terran...and now to zerg. go figure
To be fair she only played toss when she was young and no where near pro and a lot of people have switched from terran to zerg cus of the similar passive/macro style of play.
On August 24 2011 10:56 FADCoUltra wrote: Holy Shit this is pretty major line up. And the price money is HUGE!!! Although not the biggest when you convert it to $US, but consider working class people in cities like shanghai just earns like a few thousand RMB a month, think about the scale of 10 MILLION RMB!! That will for sure raise some attention in China. Just like a normal middle class job here in NA pays a few thousand dollars a month, now imagine a SC2 tournament here that pays $10 million dollars top price. Now that would be when esport stars can compare to normal sport pro athletes.
As I'm typing this now it got me thinking. So much cheaper for sponsors to give huge prize money in RMB. China have huge potential to develop esport industry into as big as South Korea. I hope this will set a good precedence for other big sponsors to host more tournaments in China to get more Chinese players to go pro.
China always had a lot of money flowing around in the e-sports scene - just in the other games such as WC3 and DOTA. WC3 to China is like what BW is to Korea, without the hundred thousand dollar contracts in China.
Wow, this is amazing...they certainly know how to attract the maximum number of viewers to their tournament.
Am I the only one that thinks this is easy money for MC and Nada though? All of the other players are really famous in their own right, but as far as I know all of them are either playing SC2 on the side to another game or are not even progamers.
holy shit, everyone talking about tossgirl, as a warcraft 3 nerd i just had a 40 minute orgasm before posting this. sky? th00? infi? and fly as random, have got to see this
Hmmm, I just noticed that there are only 11 players announced, which makes for an awkward bracket. Is there any word if it's only going to be these invites, or will there be other players as well?
On August 24 2011 12:06 eviltomahawk wrote: Hmmm, I just noticed that there are only 11 players announced, which makes for an awkward bracket. Is there any word if it's only going to be these invites, or will there be other players as well?
Read before you post. OP said, "And there are some notable players in the following list of invites:"
is it actually popular in Taiwan? I'm really not informed of this. What's the Taiwanese scene up to? And I think China is still more WC3/BW focused, sadly..
This seems really cool. Interesting to see if this might spark some new interest in SC2 in Korea since im pretty sure this is the first time that this will be on OGN
On August 24 2011 12:06 eviltomahawk wrote: Hmmm, I just noticed that there are only 11 players announced, which makes for an awkward bracket. Is there any word if it's only going to be these invites, or will there be other players as well?
Read before you post. OP said, "And there are some notable players in the following list of invites:"
Hmmm... perhaps you are right.
I was reading it as the list has some notable players, not as the list is of some of the notable players. Slight misunderstanding, I guess.
Which makes me wonder, who is playing other than the 11 announced?
On August 24 2011 12:36 bRiz wrote: is it actually popular in Taiwan? I'm really not informed of this. What's the Taiwanese scene up to? And I think China is still more WC3/BW focused, sadly..
Not sure why Taiwan is relevant to this discussion since this event is in Beijing?
But anyhow, SC2 is pretty big in Taiwan it seems, they have a big team league TeSL that's broadcast on TV (weekly IIRC) which is a first. So I heard from Sen's NASL application video ^^
Dota is still the top game in China since, well, it is essentially free unlike SC2. Although SC2 is becoming more popular, more players, more pros and more tournaments with quite some internet and TV coverage.
On August 24 2011 14:29 RedFoxOne wrote: Is there a reason why some of the players are listed as WC3 pros or BW pros? Does it mean that they are not currently actively playing SC2?
On August 24 2011 14:29 RedFoxOne wrote: Is there a reason why some of the players are listed as WC3 pros or BW pros? Does it mean that they are not currently actively playing SC2?
That's what they were formerly
The WC3 pros listed are still playing WC3 competitively.
I'm pretty sure the descriptions are just added to explain who the players are to those unfamiliar with them. It'd explain why Moon, Lyn, MC, and NaDa don't have short tags next to them; we already know who they are since they actively participate in the SC2 scene.
Upon further consideration, I feel that I would enjoy this tournament a whole lot more if it were WC3 instead of SC2, but seeing the WC3 pros getting it all up in SC2 will be pretty fun. It is pretty much free money for MC or NaDa, but I feel as if it's a promotional/marketing thing for SC2 in China, especially when you consider the WC3 powerhouse lineup and the following:
This Tourney looks very cool, TH000 is one of these few interesting wc3-players.
Unfortunately this terran-invasion keeps on going in china it looks like. I am not really enjoying the high amount of terran players in the gsl already. :/
Of course it's not super stacked.... Inviting 3 females, they must not have had the intentions of having the best players of all time there.... It's basically like a showmatch of all legends (speaking from China's perspective) of the past. My question is why the heck did they invite MC?... Shoulda been LoveTt and Luway instead of or MC! Or some other female progamer from China. If Pikachu were playing a lot and getting up to pro level then woulda been nice to see her there. We need more female progamers >.<!
On August 24 2011 14:29 RedFoxOne wrote: Is there a reason why some of the players are listed as WC3 pros or BW pros? Does it mean that they are not currently actively playing SC2?
That's what they were formerly
The WC3 pros listed are still playing WC3 competitively.
I'm pretty sure the descriptions are just added to explain who the players are to those unfamiliar with them. It'd explain why Moon, Lyn, MC, and NaDa don't have short tags next to them; we already know who they are since they actively participate in the SC2 scene.
Upon further consideration, I feel that I would enjoy this tournament a whole lot more if it were WC3 instead of SC2, but seeing the WC3 pros getting it all up in SC2 will be pretty fun. It is pretty much free money for MC or NaDa, but I feel as if it's a promotional/marketing thing for SC2 in China, especially when you consider the WC3 powerhouse lineup and the following:
Will this have some sort of english coverage the international community can follow? I would like to see those chinese wc3 legends duking it out with the Korean female broodwar players. Not that I wonder who will take this home, though. Should be easy money for MC (hopefully, or not?).
MC probably gonna take it, don't think the chinese wc3 pro's had so much practice in sc2 yet, but those are some sick names... Guess this means they will start on sc2 and wc3 will truly die.
Seriously the line up of the tournament is stupid, half of them doesn't even play SC2 at a competitive level, what's the point of throwing MC and Nada (moon and lyn also) in here then ? They are going to crush everybody and the games are going to be boring until the semis...
On August 24 2011 21:48 Marou wrote: Seriously the line up of the tournament is stupid, half of them doesn't even play SC2 at a competitive level, what's the point of throwing MC and Nada (moon and lyn also) in here then ? They are going to crush everybody and the games are going to be boring until the semis...
I think I probably agree here. MC and NaDa are gonna stomp, I think. Moon/Lyn etc. will probably also stomp the other WC3 players. Hopefully it will not be like Lim Jin Rok, where it's so one-sided that people tune out/leave (though I did enjoy watching that showmatch). Hopefully there will be an MC vs NaDa match where both players play spectacularly and show all the BW fans that SC2 can be a great game =)
On August 24 2011 21:48 Marou wrote: Seriously the line up of the tournament is stupid, half of them doesn't even play SC2 at a competitive level, what's the point of throwing MC and Nada (moon and lyn also) in here then ? They are going to crush everybody and the games are going to be boring until the semis...
I think I probably agree here. MC and NaDa are gonna stomp, I think. Moon/Lyn etc. will probably also stomp the other WC3 players. Hopefully it will not be like Lim Jin Rok, where it's so one-sided that people tune out/leave (though I did enjoy watching that showmatch). Hopefully there will be an MC vs NaDa match where both players play spectacularly and show all the BW fans that SC2 can be a great game =)
On August 24 2011 21:48 Marou wrote: Seriously the line up of the tournament is stupid, half of them doesn't even play SC2 at a competitive level, what's the point of throwing MC and Nada (moon and lyn also) in here then ? They are going to crush everybody and the games are going to be boring until the semis...
I think I probably agree here. MC and NaDa are gonna stomp, I think. Moon/Lyn etc. will probably also stomp the other WC3 players. Hopefully it will not be like Lim Jin Rok, where it's so one-sided that people tune out/leave (though I did enjoy watching that showmatch). Hopefully there will be an MC vs NaDa match where both players play spectacularly and show all the BW fans that SC2 can be a great game =)
I hope the warcraft 3 players can put up a good show, but I somehow doubt this, considering how much time they still spend on warcraft 3 (ongoing wcg!) and how much time it takes to polish the starcraft mechanics and get to know all build orders well enough to make the right ingame decisions based on scouting information.
According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
On August 25 2011 01:46 NHY wrote: According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
Lol, talk about overhyping. Must have hired incontrol..
On August 25 2011 01:46 NHY wrote: According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
Whatever, I don't think GOM nor Blizzard should should step in and stop it anyway. In fact, I'd rather if Blizzard didn't make that exclusivity deal with Gretech in the first place and that KeSPA had some control over the SC2 Korean scene because I detect the e-sports scene in Korea is beginning to crumble as MBCGame will be shut down and turned into a music channel, plus with WeMade FOX disbanding too.
People are slowly starting to get bored of the same old 1998 640x480 graphics and the stagnation of the Brood War scene. We are gradually staring to see more pros transition to SC2 like BoxeR, NaDa, ZergBong, July and MC originally amongst others, but now we're seeing Chinese WC3 pros like Sky? Fly? and Korean Brood War pros like Tossgirl? I think eventually Starcraft II will grow in Korea but only when Blizzard abandon this exclusivity deal.
If KeSPA had broadcasting rights and every Korean pro switched to it without fear of having their progamer licences suspended and under the same team contracts then the Korean scene would be far bigger than it is now. The GSL, MSL and OSL combined as well as a Proleague would have made Korea the mecca of esports once again rather than leaving some of the lesser Korean SC2 pros to yearn of competing in US tournaments or play for US teams in the hope of more prize money.
SC2 on MBCGame and OGN would have sparked more interest in the channels and then maybe MBCG wouldn't have been shut down.
I mean the exclusivity deal was just a load of bullshit that was hurting esports. I say this because if only one major league exists in Korea and if only one channel may broadcast any Starcraft II games, then clearly not much of a scene will develop there as more and more players struggle to make it past Code B even.
On August 25 2011 01:46 NHY wrote: According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
I thought GOM only had exclusive rights to broadcast SC2 in Korea?
I doubt GOM will say no, since it's LG's second individual tournament. LG hosted their first one on their own site as well, so as long as GOM says go ahead OGN will probably broadcast it, and again since it's not the first time LG's worked with GOM I highly doubt they'll have trouble getting the okay, especially since OGN already has permission to broadcast WCG later this year.
With that said, I don't think Tossgirl is immune to peer pressure. She'll be at an event where her esports colleges are playing SC2. She'll be playing, whether its part of the tournament or not, haha.
On August 25 2011 01:46 NHY wrote: According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
On August 25 2011 01:46 NHY wrote: According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
I thought GOM only had exclusive rights to broadcast SC2 in Korea?
It WILL be broadcasted in Korea. That the Tournament is held in China doesn't matter, because OGN will broadcast it to SK.
why are the females competing with the males? Or did I miss some small print? If men are going to compete with women, let's start in alphabetical order with Archery & arm wrestling. If they make it to auto racing let them hold up their arms in victory, if they still have any shoulder strength
On August 25 2011 04:13 OPL3SA2 wrote: why are the females competing with the males? Or did I miss some small print? If men are going to compete with women, let's start in alphabetical order with Archery & arm wrestling. If they make it to auto racing let them hold up their arms in victory, if they still have any shoulder strength
This is a computer game, females aren't at a disadvantage in strategy and hand speed as far as I'm concerned?
On August 25 2011 04:16 OPL3SA2 wrote: even the girls that tap me out with armbars in brasilian jiu-jitsu would lose if my instructors would let me pick them up and slam them apart
you can't slam your way out of a triangle choke though, one time I tried as a joke and I passed out on the way up. Hilarious results ensued
On August 25 2011 04:13 OPL3SA2 wrote: why are the females competing with the males? Or did I miss some small print? If men are going to compete with women, let's start in alphabetical order with Archery & arm wrestling. If they make it to auto racing let them hold up their arms in victory, if they still have any shoulder strength
This is a computer game, females aren't at a disadvantage in strategy and hand speed as far as I'm concerned?
Guess your maybe trolling but whatever xd.
Are you confusing hand/eye coordination with fine motor skills? I think you are <shrug>
Just because they can write all bubbly doesn't mean they can focus on 1 and a half things at the same time
On August 25 2011 04:13 OPL3SA2 wrote: why are the females competing with the males? Or did I miss some small print? If men are going to compete with women, let's start in alphabetical order with Archery & arm wrestling. If they make it to auto racing let them hold up their arms in victory, if they still have any shoulder strength
This is a computer game, females aren't at a disadvantage in strategy and hand speed as far as I'm concerned?
Guess your maybe trolling but whatever xd.
Hand speed, yes. Strategy, actually yes. So that's yes & yes.
On August 25 2011 01:46 NHY wrote: According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
Ok sorry about that, false alarm. I need to read more than the OP and a few replies. For a minute there I was like what? You mean the bad driver has been ME this whole time
Also, woman have an advantage when it comes to hand eye coordination/hand dexterity. When ether this is big enough and relevant in the case of SC2 is not clear from the research done.
On August 25 2011 01:46 NHY wrote: According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
Whatever, I don't think GOM nor Blizzard should should step in and stop it anyway. In fact, I'd rather if Blizzard didn't make that exclusivity deal with Gretech in the first place and that KeSPA had some control over the SC2 Korean scene because I detect the e-sports scene in Korea is beginning to crumble as MBCGame will be shut down and turned into a music channel, plus with WeMade FOX disbanding too.
People are slowly starting to get bored of the same old 1998 640x480 graphics and the stagnation of the Brood War scene. We are gradually staring to see more pros transition to SC2 like BoxeR, NaDa, ZergBong, July and MC originally amongst others, but now we're seeing Chinese WC3 pros like Sky? Fly? and Korean Brood War pros like Tossgirl? I think eventually Starcraft II will grow in Korea but only when Blizzard abandon this exclusivity deal.
If KeSPA had broadcasting rights and every Korean pro switched to it without fear of having their progamer licences suspended and under the same team contracts then the Korean scene would be far bigger than it is now. The GSL, MSL and OSL combined as well as a Proleague would have made Korea the mecca of esports once again rather than leaving some of the lesser Korean SC2 pros to yearn of competing in US tournaments or play for US teams in the hope of more prize money.
SC2 on MBCGame and OGN would have sparked more interest in the channels and then maybe MBCG wouldn't have been shut down.
I mean the exclusivity deal was just a load of bullshit that was hurting esports. I say this because if only one major league exists in Korea and if only one channel may broadcast any Starcraft II games, then clearly not much of a scene will develop there as more and more players struggle to make it past Code B even.
Korean interest in bw is still very high. 1 in 5 teenager tuned into the recent proleague finals. That is an extraordinary number
On August 25 2011 01:46 NHY wrote: According to OSEN, STX coach said that ToSsGirL will not be playing SC2. She'll be there to sign autographs. TIG is also reporting that OGN has not talked to GOM regarding this event, which they must do just like WCG.
This news is actually really big, IMO.
It's a pretty significant development if Tossgirl actually cannot play in the tournament due to her ties to BW. Likewise, I'm nervous that OGN has yet to contact GOM about this, as it would be a huge blow if both parties don't come to an agreement soon.
Sky... OMG.. easily one of the best war3 pro-gamer out there... Cant wait for him to follow his brother footstep by transition into SC2... 3 female gamer will always be a plus for me... =D
On August 25 2011 08:35 Hekisui wrote: Chinese are foreigners.
Also, woman have an advantage when it comes to hand eye coordination/hand dexterity. When ether this is big enough and relevant in the case of SC2 is not clear from the research done.
Chinese aren't foreigners well not treated like them in Korea. they see and treat westerners as foreigners. hmm idk how to say this but the way you look and skin color has a lot to do with it.
HOLY SHIT. I visited the watercube 2 days ago... I move to beijing for 1 school year and then I get MC, Nada, Tossgirl and others coming to beijing ??? Holy shit.
Can anyone give me details relating to an entrance price/match times? PM Me please thank you. Beijing ftw
On August 25 2011 08:35 Hekisui wrote: Chinese are foreigners.
Also, woman have an advantage when it comes to hand eye coordination/hand dexterity. When ether this is big enough and relevant in the case of SC2 is not clear from the research done.
Chinese aren't foreigners well not treated like them in Korea. they see and treat westerners as foreigners. hmm idk how to say this but the way you look and skin color has a lot to do with it.
He is referring to the Starcraft foreigner term.
Chinese were not considered foreigners in Broodwar since they were a tier above other non-koreans with the likes of PJ, LX and F91 and a (fairly weak but still bigger than other foreigner) BW pro scene. In SC2 I'd think they're foreigners since SC2 is released a year later in China.
If they can invite war3 pros why not BW pros as well? I would love to see PJ or Legend get invited.
Omg w00t for my luck Will be in Beijing on third before travel to Seoul for gsl on 4th If anyone has anymore detail other than just location (ie times) id be realtime grateful
I'll post up any pics / writeup of the event too for a read afterwards
can anyone actually confirm this will be broadcasted on ogn? checked the daum schedule for saturday and comes up with nothing, checked the korean ESPORTS sites some sort of official press releases and don't see anything.
Tossgirl will win it all without losing even one match! You heard it here first. Also is sky SkyCN that played for world elite and lost his 3rd wcg to creo that came out of retirement? Man that was an awesome finals.
On August 28 2011 21:56 GTR wrote: can anyone actually confirm this will be broadcasted on ogn? checked the daum schedule for saturday and comes up with nothing, checked the korean ESPORTS sites some sort of official press releases and don't see anything.
The only mentions of OGN broadcasting the event so far come from the PlayXP article which announced the event, and from a news on a Chinese website. It should be noted that the PlayXP article was quoting the Chinese article though.
We have access to MLG and GSL. GSL used to block Chinese for a while due to partnership with NeoTV, but doesn't anymore. It's just that Chinese ISPs have really bad connections to GSL, so sometimes it streams fine, sometimes it's super laggy. MLG is the same.
Ok, I just found this article on PlayXP with more detail, and a better explanation. The tournament will be broadcasted on OGN in Korea and GTV in China. You might want to add this to the OP.
WE.GIGABYTE.Sky GTV.Miss TossGirL (sorry guys, she's apparently not switching to Z) MaRie
Partipants in other on-site events (I assume this means playing against fans or something)
WE.GIGABYTE.Sky Moon
Maps
Ro8: 1 set Metalopolis 2 set Xel'Naga Caverns 3 set The Shattered Temple Ro4: 1 set Xel'Naga Caverns 2 set The Shattered Temple 3 set Metalopolis Finals: 1 set The Shattered Temple 2 set Metalopolis 3 set Xel'Naga Caverns
Map for exhibition matches: The Shattered Temple
Hope this clears things up. Sky, Tossgirl etc will only be playing in a separate side event, they're not gonna get thrown up against the likes of MC and Loner in the main tournament.
On August 31 2011 23:23 FuRong wrote: Ok, I just found this article on PlayXP with more detail, and a better explanation. The tournament will be broadcasted on OGN in Korea and GTV in China. You might want to add this to the OP.
WE.GIGABYTE.Sky GTV.Miss TossGirL (sorry guys, she's apparently not switching to Z) MaRie
Partipants in other on-site events (I assume this means playing against fans or something)
WE.GIGABYTE.Sky Moon
Maps
Ro8: 1 set Metalopolis 2 set Xel'Naga Caverns 3 set The Shattered Temple Ro4: 1 set Xel'Naga Caverns 2 set The Shattered Temple 3 set Metalopolis Finals: 1 set The Shattered Temple 2 set Metalopolis 3 set Xel'Naga Caverns
Map for exhibition matches: The Shattered Temple
Hope this clears things up. Sky, Tossgirl etc will only be playing in a separate side event, they're not gonna get thrown up against the likes of MC and Loner in the main tournament.
Thanks for the info man! Very much appreciated. So TossGirl is only playing exhibition matches eh
I could live with that :D Will see how good she's with Terran :p
Ok, I just found this article on PlayXP with more detail, and a better explanation. The tournament will be broadcasted on OGN in Korea and GTV in China. You might want to add this to the OP.
WE.GIGABYTE.Sky GTV.Miss TossGirL (sorry guys, she's apparently not switching to Z) MaRie
Partipants in other on-site events (I assume this means playing against fans or something)
WE.GIGABYTE.Sky Moon
Maps
Ro8: 1 set Metalopolis 2 set Xel'Naga Caverns 3 set The Shattered Temple Ro4: 1 set Xel'Naga Caverns 2 set The Shattered Temple 3 set Metalopolis Finals: 1 set The Shattered Temple 2 set Metalopolis 3 set Xel'Naga Caverns
Map for exhibition matches: The Shattered Temple
Hope this clears things up. Sky, Tossgirl etc will only be playing in a separate side event, they're not gonna get thrown up against the likes of MC and Loner in the main tournament.
Thanks for the info.
Off the top of my head, I'd say that the other on-site event might be a WC3 (or SC2) showmatch between Sky and Moon. It'd bring in a ton of (Chinese) viewers, that's for sure, and they've done this sort of thing before at the StarsWar tournament.
Okay so since this tournament is going to start in less than 36 hours, is there any possibility of forming a possible TL community meetup? Perhaps Friday night, there can be a gathering at some place in the city (possibly Sanlitun?). Anyone interested, please send me a PM,, if this TL meetup is gonna happen I need to know ASAP.
Also, if anyone is confused or whatnot, feel free to give me a call/txt me (pm me for my number). We can arrange a meeting time ~30 minutes before the tournament and go in together or something of the like.
Basically, PM me if you want to meet up or have someone to chill with during the tournament.
The matches highlighted in pink are for the main tournament. One interesting thing to note is that the bracket has been structured with all the Koreans on one side and all of the Chinese players on the other side, which guarantees a Chinese/Korean final but also means that all the matches prior to the finals will be China vs China or Korea vs Korea.
Anyway, according to the schedule the first match should have started at 15:00 KST, but I'm watching GTV right now and they're not showing it. So I don't really know what's up with the broadcasting, but I'm gonna keep looking into it.
According to the chinese websites, there is no streams for this event. And yes, Moon beat MC 2-0 in 2 extremely 1 sided matches according to the reports.
Is this just being played at OGNs PC room where the Starleague qualifiers are held and not actually being broadcasted? Or is it on TV but not being streamed online?
On September 03 2011 18:46 ZeroChrome wrote: Is this just being played at OGNs PC room where the Starleague qualifiers are held and not actually being broadcasted? Or is it on TV but not being streamed online?
On September 03 2011 18:46 ZeroChrome wrote: Is this just being played at OGNs PC room where the Starleague qualifiers are held and not actually being broadcasted? Or is it on TV but not being streamed online?
Read topic..........
So OGN isn't actually broadcasting this? I mean, even if it isn't being streamed it should still be on OGNs schedule if it is on TV.
This must be broadcast anywhere, cause its a pretty big event - or not? Hope also the best, any re-stream, replays or records of the event would be awesome.
Sad that it didn't get streamed or shown... is there at least someone tweeting some results ? I know this site updates brackets but the nada vs lyn has been there for like 2 hours. Unless they went into long tvt it should have been updated by now.
On September 03 2011 20:11 Index wrote: This must be broadcast anywhere, cause its a pretty big event - or not? Hope also the best, any re-stream, replays or records of the event would be awesome.
It's broadcasted on korean tv (ogn) according to OP. Someone should try to get one of the ppl that can stream from their website to do it for us
Moon played a extremely good series against MC. especially 2nd set, in which his insane multitasking totally crushed MC and his forcefields. Damn he should be practicing SC2.
NaDa's got this. He'll just take off his shirt before playing and his opponent'll be 5 minutes in without having started mining, mesmerized by the manliness of NaDa's body.
To me it seems like NaDa is on his way of getting his first championship in SC2 . If there's one thing we learned about MooN so far in his SC2 career it is that he should never be counted out though.
Man, MC's slump continues...at this rate there's a serious chance he could get knocked out of Code S unless he pulls himself together for the up & down matches.
On September 03 2011 23:51 FuRong wrote: Man, MC's slump continues...at this rate there's a serious chance he could get knocked out of Code S unless he pulls himself together for the up & down matches.
On September 03 2011 23:51 FuRong wrote: Man, MC's slump continues...at this rate there's a serious chance he could get knocked out of Code S unless he pulls himself together for the up & down matches.
It's toss slump rather than MC's slump.
MC is toss president. MC slump = toss slump. Since when entire toss is slumping in GSL 3, MC won it :D
On September 03 2011 23:51 FuRong wrote: Man, MC's slump continues...at this rate there's a serious chance he could get knocked out of Code S unless he pulls himself together for the up & down matches.
It's toss slump rather than MC's slump.
No it's MC's, there are other Toss doing alright, even if they aren't doing spectacularly. Just feels like MC hasn't won a whole lot outside of foreign events lately.
On September 04 2011 00:56 lowkontrast wrote: So there's a whole broadcasting company behind this but they can't even stream the event.
lol
Broadcasting for TV is entirely different from broadcasting for the internet, I would imagine. OGN already has all the stuff they need to broadcast for TV since theyve been doing it for a while now... meanwhile they may not have what they need to stream.
Still, hoping somebody managed to get some games recorded.
I checked the ogn livestream but it's just some counterstrike or some kind of korean copy of it.
However i do think im seeing some LG 3d logos, so maybe it will come on later? for those of you who want to watch, open http://222.122.206.82/ognlive in vlc or something else.
On September 04 2011 19:13 Crying wrote: Its funny they play bo3 Final its funny there are close spanws i hear
EVEN IN Ladder there shouldn't be such thing as close spawns cos it tolerates A RUSH Oriented game ..
Right... cos we should just expect the latest maps and changed spawn positions in all tournaments and show matches even though this event is filled with wc3 and bw players that probably arent aware than non close position versions of these maps exist. Look at the maps played, they are all ladder or old maps not GSL maps cos nobody but the Koreans play them. Why would you put korean maps in a promotional tournament in china?
We cant be too critical of the competition and map pool cos we have no idea how tournaments are run in the chinese scene and what maps they use. Considering the Chinese server was the last to come online I wouldnt be surprised if they picked those maps because they were the most played and would give the chinese players the best chance against the koreans. That and this tournament had nothing to do with GSL/MLG who alter those maps. If the pool was, daybreak, belshir beach, xelnaga fortress and antiga shipyard then this tournament would be even more of a joke.
I think there was too much hype leading into this event ): no stream and no exposure for something that was done at such a big venue. CPL did better lol.
It has nothing to do with Chinese scene or what other, just it's basically a LG promotion event, SC2 takes no major part but just a promotion tool, I don't know what role GTV(which broadcasts this event in China)took in, since they should make the matches more professional.
Miss (Chinese female progamer) has lost in the showmatches (against Marie?)
Rumours/Gossip:
F91 (Chinese SC1/SC2 Zerg) trolled the chinese particapants on how TossGirl is very good at SC2 and was 1800+ Grand Masters in KR servers last season. The chinese players were mentally prepared to be humilated and Sky immediately annouced that he gave up his spot to Loner before the event.
Turns out that Tossgirl doesn't really know how to play SC2 and did not participate in the tournament.
History: F91 lost to Tossgirl in a BW tournament back in 2010 when he was china's WCG champion and was humilated by the chinese community and then annouced his retirement from SC1 shortly after. He is a really good Zerg player playing SC2 now.
On September 04 2011 21:33 LightDash wrote: UPDATE:
Miss (Chinese female progamer) has lost in the showmatches (against Marie?)
Rumours/Gossip:
F91 (Chinese SC1/SC2 Zerg) trolled the chinese particapants on how TossGirl is very good at SC2 and was 1800+ Grand Masters in KR servers last season. The chinese players were mentally prepared to be humilated and Sky immediately annouced that he gave up his spot to Loner before the event.
Turns out that Tossgirl doesn't really know how to play SC2 and did not participate in the tournament.
History: F91 lost to Tossgirl in a BW tournament back in 2010 when he was china's WCG champion and was humilated by the chinese community and then annouced his retirement from SC1 shortly after. He is a really good Zerg player playing SC2 now.
It's true lol, fly says he watched tossgirl practicing and "She doesn't seem to know SC2 at all." And it was in 2009, at Shanghai World Expo, F91 and Super both lose to Tossgirl.
On September 04 2011 21:33 LightDash wrote: UPDATE:
Miss (Chinese female progamer) has lost in the showmatches (against Marie?)
Rumours/Gossip:
F91 (Chinese SC1/SC2 Zerg) trolled the chinese particapants on how TossGirl is very good at SC2 and was 1800+ Grand Masters in KR servers last season. The chinese players were mentally prepared to be humilated and Sky immediately annouced that he gave up his spot to Loner before the event.
Turns out that Tossgirl doesn't really know how to play SC2 and did not participate in the tournament.
History: F91 lost to Tossgirl in a BW tournament back in 2010 when he was china's WCG champion and was humilated by the chinese community and then annouced his retirement from SC1 shortly after. He is a really good Zerg player playing SC2 now.
It's true lol, fly says he watched tossgirl practicing and "She doesn't seem to know SC2 at all." And it was in 2009, at Shanghai World Expo, F91 and Super both lose to Tossgirl.
false~super lost to tossgirl in ESWC master series in south korea.
On September 04 2011 21:33 LightDash wrote: UPDATE:
Miss (Chinese female progamer) has lost in the showmatches (against Marie?)
Rumours/Gossip:
F91 (Chinese SC1/SC2 Zerg) trolled the chinese particapants on how TossGirl is very good at SC2 and was 1800+ Grand Masters in KR servers last season. The chinese players were mentally prepared to be humilated and Sky immediately annouced that he gave up his spot to Loner before the event.
Turns out that Tossgirl doesn't really know how to play SC2 and did not participate in the tournament.
History: F91 lost to Tossgirl in a BW tournament back in 2010 when he was china's WCG champion and was humilated by the chinese community and then annouced his retirement from SC1 shortly after. He is a really good Zerg player playing SC2 now.
It's true lol, fly says he watched tossgirl practicing and "She doesn't seem to know SC2 at all." And it was in 2009, at Shanghai World Expo, F91 and Super both lose to Tossgirl.
false~super lost to tossgirl in ESWC master series in south korea.
Yea I remember it wrong and F91 did lose to Tossgirl on Aug.25 2010, in STX Challenge, I still think thats a long time ago lol
Sucks that Moon lost But this is a good sign, if he is performing so well while training for WCG/WC3. I really think if he can get through the Code A quals, he would get into Code S.
On September 04 2011 19:13 Crying wrote: Its funny they play bo3 Final its funny there are close spanws i hear
EVEN IN Ladder there shouldn't be such thing as close spawns cos it tolerates A RUSH Oriented game ..
Right... cos we should just expect the latest maps and changed spawn positions in all tournaments and show matches even though this event is filled with wc3 and bw players that probably arent aware than non close position versions of these maps exist. Look at the maps played, they are all ladder or old maps not GSL maps cos nobody but the Koreans play them. Why would you put korean maps in a promotional tournament in china?
We cant be too critical of the competition and map pool cos we have no idea how tournaments are run in the chinese scene and what maps they use. Considering the Chinese server was the last to come online I wouldnt be surprised if they picked those maps because they were the most played and would give the chinese players the best chance against the koreans. That and this tournament had nothing to do with GSL/MLG who alter those maps. If the pool was, daybreak, belshir beach, xelnaga fortress and antiga shipyard then this tournament would be even more of a joke.
I think there was too much hype leading into this event ): no stream and no exposure for something that was done at such a big venue. CPL did better lol.
I'd like to correct you a little bit there. The recent Chinese tournament events (G series, PSTL team league) has GSL equivalent map pools with fixed map spawns, as well as the latest GSL maps (Dual Sight, Crevasse etc). For some inexplicable reason, the sponsor of this tournament is obviously unaware of the importance of utilizing a competitive map pool.
Otherwise the Chinese scene is as up to date as the rest of the world.
On September 04 2011 19:13 Crying wrote: Its funny they play bo3 Final its funny there are close spanws i hear
EVEN IN Ladder there shouldn't be such thing as close spawns cos it tolerates A RUSH Oriented game ..
Right... cos we should just expect the latest maps and changed spawn positions in all tournaments and show matches even though this event is filled with wc3 and bw players that probably arent aware than non close position versions of these maps exist. Look at the maps played, they are all ladder or old maps not GSL maps cos nobody but the Koreans play them. Why would you put korean maps in a promotional tournament in china?
We cant be too critical of the competition and map pool cos we have no idea how tournaments are run in the chinese scene and what maps they use. Considering the Chinese server was the last to come online I wouldnt be surprised if they picked those maps because they were the most played and would give the chinese players the best chance against the koreans. That and this tournament had nothing to do with GSL/MLG who alter those maps. If the pool was, daybreak, belshir beach, xelnaga fortress and antiga shipyard then this tournament would be even more of a joke.
I think there was too much hype leading into this event ): no stream and no exposure for something that was done at such a big venue. CPL did better lol.
i don't say put GSL Maps there
Shattered temple for example,an old map has an ridiculous close spawns,same for metalopolis despite is was removed i think right due to being with bad spawns. another map that comes to mind ,is every map on the ladder is bad at close spawns except maybe taldarim and few others.
On September 04 2011 19:13 Crying wrote: Its funny they play bo3 Final its funny there are close spanws i hear
EVEN IN Ladder there shouldn't be such thing as close spawns cos it tolerates A RUSH Oriented game ..
Right... cos we should just expect the latest maps and changed spawn positions in all tournaments and show matches even though this event is filled with wc3 and bw players that probably arent aware than non close position versions of these maps exist. Look at the maps played, they are all ladder or old maps not GSL maps cos nobody but the Koreans play them. Why would you put korean maps in a promotional tournament in china?
We cant be too critical of the competition and map pool cos we have no idea how tournaments are run in the chinese scene and what maps they use. Considering the Chinese server was the last to come online I wouldnt be surprised if they picked those maps because they were the most played and would give the chinese players the best chance against the koreans. That and this tournament had nothing to do with GSL/MLG who alter those maps. If the pool was, daybreak, belshir beach, xelnaga fortress and antiga shipyard then this tournament would be even more of a joke.
I think there was too much hype leading into this event ): no stream and no exposure for something that was done at such a big venue. CPL did better lol.
I'd like to correct you a little bit there. The recent Chinese tournament events (G series, PSTL team league) has GSL equivalent map pools with fixed map spawns, as well as the latest GSL maps (Dual Sight, Crevasse etc). For some inexplicable reason, the sponsor of this tournament is obviously unaware of the importance of utilizing a competitive map pool.
Otherwise the Chinese scene is as up to date as the rest of the world.
According to wiki cpl china had delta quadrant and slag pits in map pool. I guess maps are not standard across all of them.
Moon takes out MC and NaDa and loses to Loner due to close positions? Trollolololol.
(No offense to Loner; he's just not on the level of NaDa or MC. Though I guess it's nice to see him put up some results again. I don't even know if he's the best Terran in China anymore.)
Anyways, gg wp, Moon. What a boss. <3 And congrats to Loner for coming out ~$9k USD richer! I hope they release replays.
Any idea if they placed the bronze matches?
EDIT: Found a summary of NaDa vs. Moon match on reddit (thanks to mchang227):
Moon 2-1 Nada. Nada goes 2 racks at 11 for game one and two. Moon holds and overwhelms Nada's 2 forward racks and takes over with double his supply in the first game. Nada does the same build in game 2 but gets his bunkers up in time and locks Moon in while massing marines and holding off a desperation nydus. Game 3 is a long macro game with all bases being taken. Moon late game transitions between mass infesters to brood to ultra and back to broods with mass baneling ling support. Nada goes mass tanks with thors and has to constantly defend nydus and drops from Moon in his main. 40 minutes game and eventually Nada runs out of income with no Vikings left to deal with broods. Moon with below average macro (was floating 3k, 2k mid game) but excellent execution.
On September 05 2011 09:32 babylon wrote: Moon takes out MC and NaDa and loses to Loner due to close positions? Trollolololol.
(No offense to Loner; he's just not on the level of NaDa or MC. Though I guess it's nice to see him put up some results again. I don't even know if he's the best Terran in China anymore.)
Anyways, gg wp, Moon. What a boss. <3 And congrats to Loner for coming out ~$9k USD richer! I hope they release replays.
Any idea if they placed the bronze matches?
EDIT: Found a summary of NaDa vs. Moon match on reddit (thanks to mchang227):
Moon 2-1 Nada. Nada goes 2 racks at 11 for game one and two. Moon holds and overwhelms Nada's 2 forward racks and takes over with double his supply in the first game. Nada does the same build in game 2 but gets his bunkers up in time and locks Moon in while massing marines and holding off a desperation nydus. Game 3 is a long macro game with all bases being taken. Moon late game transitions between mass infesters to brood to ultra and back to broods with mass baneling ling support. Nada goes mass tanks with thors and has to constantly defend nydus and drops from Moon in his main. 40 minutes game and eventually Nada runs out of income with no Vikings left to deal with broods. Moon with below average macro (was floating 3k, 2k mid game) but excellent execution.
no offense but you probably don't even know about loner or the sc2 player in china because the china sc2 scene isn't open to america or europe, so you have no idea what you are talking about, how can you say hes not on the level of nada or MC when he beat the person that beat nada and MC....just a fyi Chinese were the second best at sc1, they were not considered foreigners in Korea
On September 04 2011 18:35 Baseic wrote: Lol, so I hear they have close spawn? Dear China, What the fuck. Sincerely, The rest of the world
china just got the official sc2 release 2-3 months ago, you know when there were close spawns. AND even back then good player could deal with it, example is nestea vs MKP gsl finals, remember nestea won?
Moon loses due to close spawns. Lame, but there was probably some biased Chinese commentary blasting in the background too. No offense, but Chinese eSports has been notorious for their "home-crowd advantage," which isn't limited to its "fans." Of course this is all assumptions, so don't take it too seriously ^^
On September 05 2011 13:24 bokchoi wrote: Moon loses due to close spawns. Lame, but there was probably some biased Chinese commentary blasting in the background too. No offense, but Chinese eSports has been notorious for their "home-crowd advantage," which isn't limited to its "fans." Of course this is all assumptions, so don't take it too seriously ^^
it's not assumptions, they broadcast in chinese and many have reported that the players can overhear
On September 05 2011 09:32 babylon wrote: Moon takes out MC and NaDa and loses to Loner due to close positions? Trollolololol.
(No offense to Loner; he's just not on the level of NaDa or MC. Though I guess it's nice to see him put up some results again. I don't even know if he's the best Terran in China anymore.)
Anyways, gg wp, Moon. What a boss. <3 And congrats to Loner for coming out ~$9k USD richer! I hope they release replays.
Any idea if they placed the bronze matches?
EDIT: Found a summary of NaDa vs. Moon match on reddit (thanks to mchang227):
Moon 2-1 Nada. Nada goes 2 racks at 11 for game one and two. Moon holds and overwhelms Nada's 2 forward racks and takes over with double his supply in the first game. Nada does the same build in game 2 but gets his bunkers up in time and locks Moon in while massing marines and holding off a desperation nydus. Game 3 is a long macro game with all bases being taken. Moon late game transitions between mass infesters to brood to ultra and back to broods with mass baneling ling support. Nada goes mass tanks with thors and has to constantly defend nydus and drops from Moon in his main. 40 minutes game and eventually Nada runs out of income with no Vikings left to deal with broods. Moon with below average macro (was floating 3k, 2k mid game) but excellent execution.
no offense but you probably don't even know about loner or the sc2 player in china because the china sc2 scene isn't open to america or europe, so you have no idea what you are talking about, how can you say hes not on the level of nada or MC when he beat the person that beat nada and MC....just a fyi Chinese were the second best at sc1, they were not considered foreigners in Korea
I actually keep far more tabs on the Chinese SC2 scene than I do on the European or American scenes. Loner is not that great of a player, and in general, Chinese Terrans are simply not that impressive. Just because Loner had a relatively good run early on after the release of SC2 doesn't mean he's managed to keep up with the competition (i.e. the Koreans). I would not trust him in Code A to save my life, though to be fair, I would not trust Moon in Code A either.
Also, saying that Loner > Moon > NaDa + MC makes about as much sense as saying Keen > Bomber > MVP + MC + DRG. Or, you know, Loner > Moon > Bomber > DRG. Jesus Christ, Loner must be as good as Bomber! And Moon must be as good as DRG! Come now, you must know these comparisons are ridiculous. There are few players in the world that are as good as MC, and even I wouldn't claim from these results that Moon is actually better than our resident Kratos Protoss.
On September 05 2011 13:24 bokchoi wrote: Moon loses due to close spawns. Lame, but there was probably some biased Chinese commentary blasting in the background too. No offense, but Chinese eSports has been notorious for their "home-crowd advantage," which isn't limited to its "fans." Of course this is all assumptions, so don't take it too seriously ^^
I hereby second that notion,
I was personally at China Joy 2011 and in the blizzard section, there was this show match between Fox_Moon and some chinese unknown, and yes it was very obvious to me that the chinese commentator where screaming "hinting" every second of Fox_Moon's action and you can tell that chinese player where adjusting to what the commentator has said.
but in the end Fox_Moon still won the series 2-0 lol~^^
Heres the Moon photo i took on stage: *sorry click on this image to see Moon*
and this guy was the commentator i was talking about with Moon in the background:
On September 05 2011 09:32 babylon wrote: Moon takes out MC and NaDa and loses to Loner due to close positions? Trollolololol.
(No offense to Loner; he's just not on the level of NaDa or MC. Though I guess it's nice to see him put up some results again. I don't even know if he's the best Terran in China anymore.)
Anyways, gg wp, Moon. What a boss. <3 And congrats to Loner for coming out ~$9k USD richer! I hope they release replays.
Any idea if they placed the bronze matches?
EDIT: Found a summary of NaDa vs. Moon match on reddit (thanks to mchang227):
Moon 2-1 Nada. Nada goes 2 racks at 11 for game one and two. Moon holds and overwhelms Nada's 2 forward racks and takes over with double his supply in the first game. Nada does the same build in game 2 but gets his bunkers up in time and locks Moon in while massing marines and holding off a desperation nydus. Game 3 is a long macro game with all bases being taken. Moon late game transitions between mass infesters to brood to ultra and back to broods with mass baneling ling support. Nada goes mass tanks with thors and has to constantly defend nydus and drops from Moon in his main. 40 minutes game and eventually Nada runs out of income with no Vikings left to deal with broods. Moon with below average macro (was floating 3k, 2k mid game) but excellent execution.
no offense but you probably don't even know about loner or the sc2 player in china because the china sc2 scene isn't open to america or europe, so you have no idea what you are talking about, how can you say hes not on the level of nada or MC when he beat the person that beat nada and MC....just a fyi Chinese were the second best at sc1, they were not considered foreigners in Korea
Loner's not on the same level as NaDa/MC definitely. And IMO I would have difficulty rating him top 5 in China tbh.
The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
He is an unbelievably talented RTS player. There's no reason why he can't destroy the scene should he actually devote to SC2 full-time. We just need to pray for WC3 to fall off WCG's list of titles, then that will actually become an eventuality.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.
I just don't like the fact that people keep repeating the same falsehoods all the time.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.
I just don't like the fact that people keep repeating the same falsehoods all the time.
Moon was contracted specifically to play WC3 for WMF, not SC2, which he basically played in his free-time. If you want to claim that he ever played SC2 full-time based on one interview during which he said that he would play the game with more tournaments, be my guest, but until you have more hard evidence as to what his practice schedule actually was, then I don't think you can claim definitively that he ever practiced SC2 full-time, especially when WMF has stated that if they wanted to contract him as a SC2 player, they would do so instead of contracting him as a WC3 player. (The same holds true for Lyn. One interview done on the fly does not evidence make. I can, for instance, point to an interview in which Lyn said that he would not play SC2 professionally because he wanted to stick to WC3 until the bitter end, but we all know where he is now.)
Now, I understand that this is a forum in which you can share your opinion at will, but since several of your most recent posts have basically contained little more than thinly-veiled derision aimed towards WC3 progamers and implications that they're "average" RTS players at best, might I point out that it might possibly be more conducive for you to redirect your energy in a more positive direction? I believe it would be better, for instance, to cheer for your favorite players instead of shitting on WC3 progamers. It would certainly make everyone happier.
And really, you can't deny that destroying MC 2-0 in two one-sided games and defeating NaDa 2-1 at a LAN is pretty impressive for a Moon that most definitely has WCG to practice for, right? But again, maybe you see things differently. Go ahead and continue to think of him as average at best, since I can't control your opinion, but I would like to ask you to stop spreading disinformation, at least until you can obtain Moon's exact practice schedule for the last several months, okay?
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.
I just don't like the fact that people keep repeating the same falsehoods all the time.
Moon was contracted specifically to play WC3 for WMF, not SC2, which he basically played in his free-time. If you want to claim that he ever played SC2 full-time based on one interview during which he said that he would play the game with more tournaments, be my guest, but until you have more hard evidence as to what his practice schedule actually was, then I don't think you can claim definitively that he ever practiced SC2 full-time, especially when WMF has stated that if they wanted to contract him as a SC2 player, they would do so instead of contracting him as a WC3 player. (The same holds true for Lyn. One interview done on the fly does not evidence make. I can, for instance, point to an interview in which Lyn said that he would not play SC2 professionally because he wanted to stick to WC3 until the bitter end, but we all know where he is now.)
Now, I understand that this is a forum in which you can share your opinion at will, but since several of your most recent posts have basically contained little more than thinly-veiled derision aimed towards WC3 progamers and implications that they're "average" RTS players at best, might I point out that it might possibly be more conducive for you to redirect your energy in a more positive direction? I believe it would be better, for instance, to cheer for your favorite players instead of shitting on WC3 progamers. It would certainly make everyone happier.
And really, you can't deny that destroying MC 2-0 in two one-sided games and defeating NaDa 2-1 at a LAN is pretty impressive for a Moon that most definitely has WCG to practice for, right? But again, maybe you see things differently. Go ahead and continue to think of him as average at best, since I can't control your opinion, but I would like to ask you to stop spreading disinformation, at least until you can obtain Moon's exact practice schedule for the last several months, okay?
What evidence do you have that he played WC3 during his freetime? And of course he was recruited as a WC3 player. That's where his market value is at. That is why he is so popular in China. However, it just happens that at the time there were no WC3 tournaments he played in and he himself stated that he'd play the game that had tournaments. Well, we both know that he was in GSL. If you don't think it's evidence that he himself tells what he plays, then I don't know what to tell you.
No thanks, I prefer being negative.
Sure, it's impressive. But I wouldn't read too much into it. I've seen players lose to much worse players before in SC2 and this is no exception. When he actually starts delivering proper results I'll take it back. But I don't think he'll ever become big enough to win a GSL for example.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.
I just don't like the fact that people keep repeating the same falsehoods all the time.
Moon was contracted specifically to play WC3 for WMF, not SC2, which he basically played in his free-time. If you want to claim that he ever played SC2 full-time based on one interview during which he said that he would play the game with more tournaments, be my guest, but until you have more hard evidence as to what his practice schedule actually was, then I don't think you can claim definitively that he ever practiced SC2 full-time, especially when WMF has stated that if they wanted to contract him as a SC2 player, they would do so instead of contracting him as a WC3 player. (The same holds true for Lyn. One interview done on the fly does not evidence make. I can, for instance, point to an interview in which Lyn said that he would not play SC2 professionally because he wanted to stick to WC3 until the bitter end, but we all know where he is now.)
Now, I understand that this is a forum in which you can share your opinion at will, but since several of your most recent posts have basically contained little more than thinly-veiled derision aimed towards WC3 progamers and implications that they're "average" RTS players at best, might I point out that it might possibly be more conducive for you to redirect your energy in a more positive direction? I believe it would be better, for instance, to cheer for your favorite players instead of shitting on WC3 progamers. It would certainly make everyone happier.
And really, you can't deny that destroying MC 2-0 in two one-sided games and defeating NaDa 2-1 at a LAN is pretty impressive for a Moon that most definitely has WCG to practice for, right? But again, maybe you see things differently. Go ahead and continue to think of him as average at best, since I can't control your opinion, but I would like to ask you to stop spreading disinformation, at least until you can obtain Moon's exact practice schedule for the last several months, okay?
What evidence do you have that he played WC3 during his freetime? And of course he was recruited as a WC3 player. That's where his market value is at. That is why he is so popular in China. However, it just happens that at the time there were no WC3 tournaments he played in and he himself stated that he'd play the game that had tournaments. Well, we both know that he was in GSL. If you don't think it's evidence that he himself tells what he plays, then I don't know what to tell you.
No thanks, I prefer being negative.
Sure, it's impressive. But I wouldn't read too much into it. I've seen players lose to much worse players before in SC2 and this is no exception. When he actually starts delivering proper results I'll take it back. But I don't think he'll ever become big enough to win a GSL for example.
Hey, at least I asked politely. Skepticism is healthy, and I can admire you for that, but can I at least ask you to stop being such a downer? Party crashing never struck me as fun. What you're doing is akin to me jumping into a thread where people are celebrating NaDa's victory over Puma at MLG and saying that NaDa's victory was a complete fluke and that he's a far inferior player to Puma because his only decent match-up is TvT whereas Puma's good all-around. Do you see why this might be a little upsetting?
The manager of WMF has stated before that he was recruited specifically as a WC3 gamer. He is contracted as a WC3 gamer. If he is contracted as a WC3 gamer, then it is highly doubtful he would be allowed to play SC2 full-time. You say that he said he would play the game with more tournaments in one interview. And yet, in another interview, he's said that he mostly practices WC3 because there are things he still wants to achieve in that game and that he practices SC2 when there are tournaments. If you've followed Moon during his WC3 career, you would know that he's always been remarkably cryptic and noncommittal with his interviews. That's how he's been for years and years and years, and that's how he is now.
Nobody is saying he will win a GSL. Nobody is saying he will dominate as much as he did in WC3, especially given the state of the scene so far and the fact that he's both older and married now. Nobody is saying he's as good as MC or NaDa, and anyone who does believe that is delusional. His mechanics aren't solid enough, and his overall game sense isn't what it could be. However, these results do suggest that he has not hit the limit of his skill in SC2. Basically, it's a sign of things to come, and people simply think that things are looking pretty up for him, given that he's a hybrid progamer whose gotten decent results even with his attention divided between two games. The assumption is that when he actually focuses completely on SC2 (as in, when he's still not hungering over that WCG title) and devotes more time to it, he'll become even better than he is now. This is not an unreasonable assumption, as far as I can tell, but feel free to correct me if wrong.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.
I just don't like the fact that people keep repeating the same falsehoods all the time.
Moon was contracted specifically to play WC3 for WMF, not SC2, which he basically played in his free-time. If you want to claim that he ever played SC2 full-time based on one interview during which he said that he would play the game with more tournaments, be my guest, but until you have more hard evidence as to what his practice schedule actually was, then I don't think you can claim definitively that he ever practiced SC2 full-time, especially when WMF has stated that if they wanted to contract him as a SC2 player, they would do so instead of contracting him as a WC3 player. (The same holds true for Lyn. One interview done on the fly does not evidence make. I can, for instance, point to an interview in which Lyn said that he would not play SC2 professionally because he wanted to stick to WC3 until the bitter end, but we all know where he is now.)
Now, I understand that this is a forum in which you can share your opinion at will, but since several of your most recent posts have basically contained little more than thinly-veiled derision aimed towards WC3 progamers and implications that they're "average" RTS players at best, might I point out that it might possibly be more conducive for you to redirect your energy in a more positive direction? I believe it would be better, for instance, to cheer for your favorite players instead of shitting on WC3 progamers. It would certainly make everyone happier.
And really, you can't deny that destroying MC 2-0 in two one-sided games and defeating NaDa 2-1 at a LAN is pretty impressive for a Moon that most definitely has WCG to practice for, right? But again, maybe you see things differently. Go ahead and continue to think of him as average at best, since I can't control your opinion, but I would like to ask you to stop spreading disinformation, at least until you can obtain Moon's exact practice schedule for the last several months, okay?
What evidence do you have that he played WC3 during his freetime? And of course he was recruited as a WC3 player. That's where his market value is at. That is why he is so popular in China. However, it just happens that at the time there were no WC3 tournaments he played in and he himself stated that he'd play the game that had tournaments. Well, we both know that he was in GSL. If you don't think it's evidence that he himself tells what he plays, then I don't know what to tell you.
No thanks, I prefer being negative.
Sure, it's impressive. But I wouldn't read too much into it. I've seen players lose to much worse players before in SC2 and this is no exception. When he actually starts delivering proper results I'll take it back. But I don't think he'll ever become big enough to win a GSL for example.
Hey, at least I asked politely. Skepticism is healthy, and I can admire you for that, but can I at least ask you to stop being such a downer? Party crashing never struck me as fun. What you're doing is akin to me jumping into a thread where people are celebrating NaDa's victory over Puma at MLG and saying that NaDa's victory was a complete fluke and that he's a far inferior player to Puma because his only decent match-up is TvT whereas Puma's good all-around. Do you see why this might be a little upsetting?
The manager of WMF has stated before that he was recruited specifically as a WC3 gamer. He is contracted as a WC3 gamer. If he is contracted as a WC3 gamer, then it is highly doubtful he would be allowed to play SC2 full-time. You say that he said he would play the game with more tournaments in one interview. And yet, in another interview, he's said that he mostly practices WC3 because there are things he still wants to achieve in that game and that he practices SC2 when there are tournaments. If you've followed Moon during his WC3 career, you would know that he's always been remarkably cryptic and noncommittal with his interviews. That's how he's been for years and years and years, and that's how he is now.
Nobody is saying he will win a GSL. Nobody is saying he will dominate as much as he did in WC3, especially given the state of the scene so far and the fact that he's both older and married now. Nobody is saying he's as good as MC or NaDa, and anyone who does believe that is delusional. His mechanics aren't solid enough, and his overall game sense isn't what it could be. However, these results do suggest that he has not hit the limit of his skill in SC2. Basically, it's a sign of things to come, and people simply think that things are looking pretty up for him, given that he's a hybrid progamer whose gotten decent results even with his attention divided between two games. The assumption is that when he actually focuses completely on SC2 (as in, when he's still not hungering over that WCG title) and devotes more time to it, he'll become even better than he is now. This is not an unreasonable assumption, as far as I can tell, but feel free to correct me if wrong.
I agree with what you've said but in that case, people shouldn't blame Moon's loss to Loner as due to the maps. Just following the same logic here.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.
I just don't like the fact that people keep repeating the same falsehoods all the time.
Moon was contracted specifically to play WC3 for WMF, not SC2, which he basically played in his free-time. If you want to claim that he ever played SC2 full-time based on one interview during which he said that he would play the game with more tournaments, be my guest, but until you have more hard evidence as to what his practice schedule actually was, then I don't think you can claim definitively that he ever practiced SC2 full-time, especially when WMF has stated that if they wanted to contract him as a SC2 player, they would do so instead of contracting him as a WC3 player. (The same holds true for Lyn. One interview done on the fly does not evidence make. I can, for instance, point to an interview in which Lyn said that he would not play SC2 professionally because he wanted to stick to WC3 until the bitter end, but we all know where he is now.)
Now, I understand that this is a forum in which you can share your opinion at will, but since several of your most recent posts have basically contained little more than thinly-veiled derision aimed towards WC3 progamers and implications that they're "average" RTS players at best, might I point out that it might possibly be more conducive for you to redirect your energy in a more positive direction? I believe it would be better, for instance, to cheer for your favorite players instead of shitting on WC3 progamers. It would certainly make everyone happier.
And really, you can't deny that destroying MC 2-0 in two one-sided games and defeating NaDa 2-1 at a LAN is pretty impressive for a Moon that most definitely has WCG to practice for, right? But again, maybe you see things differently. Go ahead and continue to think of him as average at best, since I can't control your opinion, but I would like to ask you to stop spreading disinformation, at least until you can obtain Moon's exact practice schedule for the last several months, okay?
What evidence do you have that he played WC3 during his freetime? And of course he was recruited as a WC3 player. That's where his market value is at. That is why he is so popular in China. However, it just happens that at the time there were no WC3 tournaments he played in and he himself stated that he'd play the game that had tournaments. Well, we both know that he was in GSL. If you don't think it's evidence that he himself tells what he plays, then I don't know what to tell you.
No thanks, I prefer being negative.
Sure, it's impressive. But I wouldn't read too much into it. I've seen players lose to much worse players before in SC2 and this is no exception. When he actually starts delivering proper results I'll take it back. But I don't think he'll ever become big enough to win a GSL for example.
Hey, at least I asked politely. Skepticism is healthy, and I can admire you for that, but can I at least ask you to stop being such a downer? Party crashing never struck me as fun. What you're doing is akin to me jumping into a thread where people are celebrating NaDa's victory over Puma at MLG and saying that NaDa's victory was a complete fluke and that he's a far inferior player to Puma because his only decent match-up is TvT whereas Puma's good all-around. Do you see why this might be a little upsetting?
The manager of WMF has stated before that he was recruited specifically as a WC3 gamer. He is contracted as a WC3 gamer. If he is contracted as a WC3 gamer, then it is highly doubtful he would be allowed to play SC2 full-time. You say that he said he would play the game with more tournaments in one interview. And yet, in another interview, he's said that he mostly practices WC3 because there are things he still wants to achieve in that game and that he practices SC2 when there are tournaments. If you've followed Moon during his WC3 career, you would know that he's always been remarkably cryptic and noncommittal with his interviews. That's how he's been for years and years and years, and that's how he is now.
Nobody is saying he will win a GSL. Nobody is saying he will dominate as much as he did in WC3, especially given the state of the scene so far and the fact that he's both older and married now. Nobody is saying he's as good as MC or NaDa, and anyone who does believe that is delusional. His mechanics aren't solid enough, and his overall game sense isn't what it could be. However, these results do suggest that he has not hit the limit of his skill in SC2. Basically, it's a sign of things to come, and people simply think that things are looking pretty up for him, given that he's a hybrid progamer whose gotten decent results even with his attention divided between two games. The assumption is that when he actually focuses completely on SC2 (as in, when he's still not hungering over that WCG title) and devotes more time to it, he'll become even better than he is now. This is not an unreasonable assumption, as far as I can tell, but feel free to correct me if wrong.
I agree with what you've said but in that case, people shouldn't blame Moon's loss to Loner as due to the maps. Just following the same logic here.
You make a good point, but I guess the difference between party-crashing Moon and party-crashing Loner is that nobody in this thread seems to have been celebrating Loner's victory so there's not really a party to crash ...
And to be fair, I did congratulate Loner on coming out ~$9k USD richer. I won't speak to what happened against Loner in Game 1 -- all I know is that it took place on Shattered Temple -- but Game 2 was pretty much an auto-loss for Moon. I don't feel bitter towards Loner for it -- he did what he had to do to grab a win -- and he shouldn't be blamed for the maps. It's a shame that his victory really is "tarnished" by the fact that the second map's spawn locations weren't any good, though. I'll joke about it with my friends and all, but Loner deserves the win for having actually won, and that's that.
On September 05 2011 21:30 Azarkon wrote: The surprise in this tournament isn't Loner winning Moon on close positions (seems to have been pre-determined based on those maps and positions), but Moon winning MC and Nada. How does Moon perform so well in international events?
Because MooN is one of the very best RTS players of all time. As the poster above said; if this guy just devoted all his time to SC2. Basically the only title MooN did not win in WC3 was WCG so I understand that he still wants to compete for that when he still has the chance to.
Well, actually, he already did, and he wasn't very impressive. He is good but he will never destroy the scene.
It's somewhat hilarious that when I see your name in threads such as these, I can immediately predict the content of your comments.
I just don't like the fact that people keep repeating the same falsehoods all the time.
Moon was contracted specifically to play WC3 for WMF, not SC2, which he basically played in his free-time. If you want to claim that he ever played SC2 full-time based on one interview during which he said that he would play the game with more tournaments, be my guest, but until you have more hard evidence as to what his practice schedule actually was, then I don't think you can claim definitively that he ever practiced SC2 full-time, especially when WMF has stated that if they wanted to contract him as a SC2 player, they would do so instead of contracting him as a WC3 player. (The same holds true for Lyn. One interview done on the fly does not evidence make. I can, for instance, point to an interview in which Lyn said that he would not play SC2 professionally because he wanted to stick to WC3 until the bitter end, but we all know where he is now.)
Now, I understand that this is a forum in which you can share your opinion at will, but since several of your most recent posts have basically contained little more than thinly-veiled derision aimed towards WC3 progamers and implications that they're "average" RTS players at best, might I point out that it might possibly be more conducive for you to redirect your energy in a more positive direction? I believe it would be better, for instance, to cheer for your favorite players instead of shitting on WC3 progamers. It would certainly make everyone happier.
And really, you can't deny that destroying MC 2-0 in two one-sided games and defeating NaDa 2-1 at a LAN is pretty impressive for a Moon that most definitely has WCG to practice for, right? But again, maybe you see things differently. Go ahead and continue to think of him as average at best, since I can't control your opinion, but I would like to ask you to stop spreading disinformation, at least until you can obtain Moon's exact practice schedule for the last several months, okay?
What evidence do you have that he played WC3 during his freetime? And of course he was recruited as a WC3 player. That's where his market value is at. That is why he is so popular in China. However, it just happens that at the time there were no WC3 tournaments he played in and he himself stated that he'd play the game that had tournaments. Well, we both know that he was in GSL. If you don't think it's evidence that he himself tells what he plays, then I don't know what to tell you.
No thanks, I prefer being negative.
Sure, it's impressive. But I wouldn't read too much into it. I've seen players lose to much worse players before in SC2 and this is no exception. When he actually starts delivering proper results I'll take it back. But I don't think he'll ever become big enough to win a GSL for example.
Hey, at least I asked politely. Skepticism is healthy, and I can admire you for that, but can I at least ask you to stop being such a downer? Party crashing never struck me as fun. What you're doing is akin to me jumping into a thread where people are celebrating NaDa's victory over Puma at MLG and saying that NaDa's victory was a complete fluke and that he's a far inferior player to Puma because his only decent match-up is TvT whereas Puma's good all-around. Do you see why this might be a little upsetting?
The manager of WMF has stated before that he was recruited specifically as a WC3 gamer. He is contracted as a WC3 gamer. If he is contracted as a WC3 gamer, then it is highly doubtful he would be allowed to play SC2 full-time. You say that he said he would play the game with more tournaments in one interview. And yet, in another interview, he's said that he mostly practices WC3 because there are things he still wants to achieve in that game and that he practices SC2 when there are tournaments. If you've followed Moon during his WC3 career, you would know that he's always been remarkably cryptic and noncommittal with his interviews. That's how he's been for years and years and years, and that's how he is now.
Nobody is saying he will win a GSL. Nobody is saying he will dominate as much as he did in WC3, especially given the state of the scene so far and the fact that he's both older and married now. Nobody is saying he's as good as MC or NaDa, and anyone who does believe that is delusional. His mechanics aren't solid enough, and his overall game sense isn't what it could be. However, these results do suggest that he has not hit the limit of his skill in SC2. Basically, it's a sign of things to come, and people simply think that things are looking pretty up for him, given that he's a hybrid progamer whose gotten decent results even with his attention divided between two games. The assumption is that when he actually focuses completely on SC2 (as in, when he's still not hungering over that WCG title) and devotes more time to it, he'll become even better than he is now. This is not an unreasonable assumption, as far as I can tell, but feel free to correct me if wrong.
Yes, you can ask me for that. But the answer is no. I'm sorry.
Moon was recruited because of his popularity. As there was no WC3 tournaments going on at the time, it seems to me quite logical to allow him to try his chances at SC2. There wasn't much to lose (as we can see) but quite a bit to gain. And I still don't see any evidence. Now if you could point any out to me, I'll consider backing down.
Actually, I get the vibe that quite a lot of people think he would actually dominate. As in win a GSL, as in being better than Nada or MC even now. I mean people actually compare him to Flash and Jaedong sometimes! That is why a voice of reason, such as myself, is needed to calm the crowd down. Of course I have never denied that he can't get better than he is.
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She'll be at an event where her esports colleges are playing SC2. She'll be playing, whether its part of the tournament or not, haha.
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