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On August 23 2011 01:21 Lordwar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 01:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
holy shit he is that high masters already? This is great, he will make it to code a in no time ^_^
I'm glad to see that this evidences that gamers who've had more experience have that as an advantage he is not master, his chat with violet implies hes not master
Worth taking note.
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Wow ! Yellow is already in Masters ?! 0_o
I'm very pleased with this :D Looks like Project A is going to have a happy end 
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I just asked StarTale_Bomber as I am staying in the house for my little blog site, he said it is a fake yellow 
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SlayerSYellow surfaced shortly after Boxer trolling Yellow at his retirement ceremony. It was confirmed months ago it was not the real Yellow. :/
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On August 23 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 22:29 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:27 Maghetti wrote:On August 22 2011 22:14 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:12 CDR wrote:On August 22 2011 22:10 StimMarine wrote:
Cause I don't really have the time to cross-reference everything I read lol. So you're saying that SlayersYellow account isn't really him? I'm saying that it's probably his account but he ain't using it now. So I don't think that finding acc that is idle for almost one month is such a big deal... Would actually anyone be surprised with Yellow joining SlayerS? No big news imo. Oh OK, but still, during the showmatch Yellow's skills weren't very good. How can he be masters now, or as you said, 1 month ago? On August 22 2011 22:13 Maghetti wrote:
Not sure if this has been said but YellOw said on the show that he had a masters account, his personal account, and this was even before the boxer match. This is what I'm confused about. If he really was in masters, why did he play so poorly during the showmatch? Boxer is way better than him and YellOw is running almost entirely on his bw knowledge? Maybe. Then there is NO way he could be in Masters at that time, especially the Korean server. You gotta be kidding me. One of the greatest SC1 progamers of all time with his mechanics and game sense, can't make Masters? Even if it's the Korean server, SC1 progamers are a level or two above everyone else. It is inevitable that they'll catch up. I'm pretty sure if the showmatch was between Yellow and some random Korean Master instead of Boxer, the games would be a lot closer. Boxer dominated MLG and the earlier seasons of GSL, you can't expect someone who just transferred over to look even close to that skill level.
No matter how good you were in brood war, does not help if you dont know that banelings can be upgraded or you though that reapers shoot air.
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I hope he did join SlayerS that would be sick! and awesome pic in OP haha
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On August 23 2011 03:26 Lordwar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:On August 22 2011 22:29 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:27 Maghetti wrote:On August 22 2011 22:14 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:12 CDR wrote:On August 22 2011 22:10 StimMarine wrote:
Cause I don't really have the time to cross-reference everything I read lol. So you're saying that SlayersYellow account isn't really him? I'm saying that it's probably his account but he ain't using it now. So I don't think that finding acc that is idle for almost one month is such a big deal... Would actually anyone be surprised with Yellow joining SlayerS? No big news imo. Oh OK, but still, during the showmatch Yellow's skills weren't very good. How can he be masters now, or as you said, 1 month ago? On August 22 2011 22:13 Maghetti wrote:
Not sure if this has been said but YellOw said on the show that he had a masters account, his personal account, and this was even before the boxer match. This is what I'm confused about. If he really was in masters, why did he play so poorly during the showmatch? Boxer is way better than him and YellOw is running almost entirely on his bw knowledge? Maybe. Then there is NO way he could be in Masters at that time, especially the Korean server. You gotta be kidding me. One of the greatest SC1 progamers of all time with his mechanics and game sense, can't make Masters? Even if it's the Korean server, SC1 progamers are a level or two above everyone else. It is inevitable that they'll catch up. I'm pretty sure if the showmatch was between Yellow and some random Korean Master instead of Boxer, the games would be a lot closer. Boxer dominated MLG and the earlier seasons of GSL, you can't expect someone who just transferred over to look even close to that skill level. No matter how good you were in brood war, does not help if you dont know that banelings can be upgraded or you though that reapers shoot air.
At the same time, knowing everything about the game doesn't mean you have anything to show for it. You're acting like having insane APM can't help you just because it's a different game.
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On August 23 2011 03:50 Zeke50100 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 03:26 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:On August 22 2011 22:29 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:27 Maghetti wrote:On August 22 2011 22:14 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:12 CDR wrote:On August 22 2011 22:10 StimMarine wrote:
Cause I don't really have the time to cross-reference everything I read lol. So you're saying that SlayersYellow account isn't really him? I'm saying that it's probably his account but he ain't using it now. So I don't think that finding acc that is idle for almost one month is such a big deal... Would actually anyone be surprised with Yellow joining SlayerS? No big news imo. Oh OK, but still, during the showmatch Yellow's skills weren't very good. How can he be masters now, or as you said, 1 month ago? On August 22 2011 22:13 Maghetti wrote:
Not sure if this has been said but YellOw said on the show that he had a masters account, his personal account, and this was even before the boxer match. This is what I'm confused about. If he really was in masters, why did he play so poorly during the showmatch? Boxer is way better than him and YellOw is running almost entirely on his bw knowledge? Maybe. Then there is NO way he could be in Masters at that time, especially the Korean server. You gotta be kidding me. One of the greatest SC1 progamers of all time with his mechanics and game sense, can't make Masters? Even if it's the Korean server, SC1 progamers are a level or two above everyone else. It is inevitable that they'll catch up. I'm pretty sure if the showmatch was between Yellow and some random Korean Master instead of Boxer, the games would be a lot closer. Boxer dominated MLG and the earlier seasons of GSL, you can't expect someone who just transferred over to look even close to that skill level. No matter how good you were in brood war, does not help if you dont know that banelings can be upgraded or you though that reapers shoot air. At the same time, knowing everything about the game doesn't mean you have anything to show for it. You're acting like having insane APM can't help you just because it's a different game.
brood war mechanics dont straightly translate into sc2 because everything works differently, you need to give yourself time to LEARN the game before you can make use of your general rts mechanics. Meanwhile your bw background helps only a little.
Actually i think its more about knowing how to approach the game, more than mechanics.
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On August 23 2011 03:52 Lordwar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 03:50 Zeke50100 wrote:On August 23 2011 03:26 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:On August 22 2011 22:29 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:27 Maghetti wrote:On August 22 2011 22:14 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:12 CDR wrote:On August 22 2011 22:10 StimMarine wrote:
Cause I don't really have the time to cross-reference everything I read lol. So you're saying that SlayersYellow account isn't really him? I'm saying that it's probably his account but he ain't using it now. So I don't think that finding acc that is idle for almost one month is such a big deal... Would actually anyone be surprised with Yellow joining SlayerS? No big news imo. Oh OK, but still, during the showmatch Yellow's skills weren't very good. How can he be masters now, or as you said, 1 month ago? On August 22 2011 22:13 Maghetti wrote:
Not sure if this has been said but YellOw said on the show that he had a masters account, his personal account, and this was even before the boxer match. This is what I'm confused about. If he really was in masters, why did he play so poorly during the showmatch? Boxer is way better than him and YellOw is running almost entirely on his bw knowledge? Maybe. Then there is NO way he could be in Masters at that time, especially the Korean server. You gotta be kidding me. One of the greatest SC1 progamers of all time with his mechanics and game sense, can't make Masters? Even if it's the Korean server, SC1 progamers are a level or two above everyone else. It is inevitable that they'll catch up. I'm pretty sure if the showmatch was between Yellow and some random Korean Master instead of Boxer, the games would be a lot closer. Boxer dominated MLG and the earlier seasons of GSL, you can't expect someone who just transferred over to look even close to that skill level. No matter how good you were in brood war, does not help if you dont know that banelings can be upgraded or you though that reapers shoot air. At the same time, knowing everything about the game doesn't mean you have anything to show for it. You're acting like having insane APM can't help you just because it's a different game. brood war mechanics dont straightly translate into sc2 because everything works differently, you need to give yourself time to LEARN the game before you can make use of your general rts mechanics. Meanwhile your bw background helps only a little. Actually i think its more about knowing how to approach the game, more than mechanics.
You're saying it takes Yellow over a month playing 8+ hours a day to figure out that banelings can be upgraded? Playing Brood War will make starcraft 2 seem very easy to Yellow, all he has to do is learn some builds/strategies imo.
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On August 23 2011 04:01 monitor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 03:52 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 03:50 Zeke50100 wrote:On August 23 2011 03:26 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:On August 22 2011 22:29 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:27 Maghetti wrote:On August 22 2011 22:14 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:12 CDR wrote:On August 22 2011 22:10 StimMarine wrote:
Cause I don't really have the time to cross-reference everything I read lol. So you're saying that SlayersYellow account isn't really him? I'm saying that it's probably his account but he ain't using it now. So I don't think that finding acc that is idle for almost one month is such a big deal... Would actually anyone be surprised with Yellow joining SlayerS? No big news imo. Oh OK, but still, during the showmatch Yellow's skills weren't very good. How can he be masters now, or as you said, 1 month ago? On August 22 2011 22:13 Maghetti wrote:
Not sure if this has been said but YellOw said on the show that he had a masters account, his personal account, and this was even before the boxer match. This is what I'm confused about. If he really was in masters, why did he play so poorly during the showmatch? Boxer is way better than him and YellOw is running almost entirely on his bw knowledge? Maybe. Then there is NO way he could be in Masters at that time, especially the Korean server. You gotta be kidding me. One of the greatest SC1 progamers of all time with his mechanics and game sense, can't make Masters? Even if it's the Korean server, SC1 progamers are a level or two above everyone else. It is inevitable that they'll catch up. I'm pretty sure if the showmatch was between Yellow and some random Korean Master instead of Boxer, the games would be a lot closer. Boxer dominated MLG and the earlier seasons of GSL, you can't expect someone who just transferred over to look even close to that skill level. No matter how good you were in brood war, does not help if you dont know that banelings can be upgraded or you though that reapers shoot air. At the same time, knowing everything about the game doesn't mean you have anything to show for it. You're acting like having insane APM can't help you just because it's a different game. brood war mechanics dont straightly translate into sc2 because everything works differently, you need to give yourself time to LEARN the game before you can make use of your general rts mechanics. Meanwhile your bw background helps only a little. Actually i think its more about knowing how to approach the game, more than mechanics. You're saying it takes Yellow over a month playing 8+ hours a day to figure out that banelings can be upgraded? Playing Brood War will make starcraft 2 seem very easy to Yellow, all he has to do is learn some builds/strategies imo.
Just saying, that if you dont acknowledge the baneling speed upgrade or you dont know that reapers cannot shoot air, then obviously you are at stage of learning process where your superior BW career is virtually no help for you.
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On August 23 2011 04:03 Lordwar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 04:01 monitor wrote:On August 23 2011 03:52 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 03:50 Zeke50100 wrote:On August 23 2011 03:26 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:On August 22 2011 22:29 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:27 Maghetti wrote:On August 22 2011 22:14 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:12 CDR wrote:
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I'm saying that it's probably his account but he ain't using it now. So I don't think that finding acc that is idle for almost one month is such a big deal... Would actually anyone be surprised with Yellow joining SlayerS? No big news imo. Oh OK, but still, during the showmatch Yellow's skills weren't very good. How can he be masters now, or as you said, 1 month ago? On August 22 2011 22:13 Maghetti wrote:
Not sure if this has been said but YellOw said on the show that he had a masters account, his personal account, and this was even before the boxer match. This is what I'm confused about. If he really was in masters, why did he play so poorly during the showmatch? Boxer is way better than him and YellOw is running almost entirely on his bw knowledge? Maybe. Then there is NO way he could be in Masters at that time, especially the Korean server. You gotta be kidding me. One of the greatest SC1 progamers of all time with his mechanics and game sense, can't make Masters? Even if it's the Korean server, SC1 progamers are a level or two above everyone else. It is inevitable that they'll catch up. I'm pretty sure if the showmatch was between Yellow and some random Korean Master instead of Boxer, the games would be a lot closer. Boxer dominated MLG and the earlier seasons of GSL, you can't expect someone who just transferred over to look even close to that skill level. No matter how good you were in brood war, does not help if you dont know that banelings can be upgraded or you though that reapers shoot air. At the same time, knowing everything about the game doesn't mean you have anything to show for it. You're acting like having insane APM can't help you just because it's a different game. brood war mechanics dont straightly translate into sc2 because everything works differently, you need to give yourself time to LEARN the game before you can make use of your general rts mechanics. Meanwhile your bw background helps only a little. Actually i think its more about knowing how to approach the game, more than mechanics. You're saying it takes Yellow over a month playing 8+ hours a day to figure out that banelings can be upgraded? Playing Brood War will make starcraft 2 seem very easy to Yellow, all he has to do is learn some builds/strategies imo. Just saying, that if you dont acknowledge the baneling speed upgrade or you dont know that reapers cannot shoot air, then obviously you are at stage of learning process where your superior BW career is virtually no help for you.
Sorry but I've read everything you've written in this thread and your argument makes no sense. You act like he needs to have a massive education about SC2 but you cite 2 things that he will now know after being told once?
I don't get it
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On August 23 2011 04:03 Lordwar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 04:01 monitor wrote:On August 23 2011 03:52 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 03:50 Zeke50100 wrote:On August 23 2011 03:26 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:On August 22 2011 22:29 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:27 Maghetti wrote:On August 22 2011 22:14 StimMarine wrote:On August 22 2011 22:12 CDR wrote:
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I'm saying that it's probably his account but he ain't using it now. So I don't think that finding acc that is idle for almost one month is such a big deal... Would actually anyone be surprised with Yellow joining SlayerS? No big news imo. Oh OK, but still, during the showmatch Yellow's skills weren't very good. How can he be masters now, or as you said, 1 month ago? On August 22 2011 22:13 Maghetti wrote:
Not sure if this has been said but YellOw said on the show that he had a masters account, his personal account, and this was even before the boxer match. This is what I'm confused about. If he really was in masters, why did he play so poorly during the showmatch? Boxer is way better than him and YellOw is running almost entirely on his bw knowledge? Maybe. Then there is NO way he could be in Masters at that time, especially the Korean server. You gotta be kidding me. One of the greatest SC1 progamers of all time with his mechanics and game sense, can't make Masters? Even if it's the Korean server, SC1 progamers are a level or two above everyone else. It is inevitable that they'll catch up. I'm pretty sure if the showmatch was between Yellow and some random Korean Master instead of Boxer, the games would be a lot closer. Boxer dominated MLG and the earlier seasons of GSL, you can't expect someone who just transferred over to look even close to that skill level. No matter how good you were in brood war, does not help if you dont know that banelings can be upgraded or you though that reapers shoot air. At the same time, knowing everything about the game doesn't mean you have anything to show for it. You're acting like having insane APM can't help you just because it's a different game. brood war mechanics dont straightly translate into sc2 because everything works differently, you need to give yourself time to LEARN the game before you can make use of your general rts mechanics. Meanwhile your bw background helps only a little. Actually i think its more about knowing how to approach the game, more than mechanics. You're saying it takes Yellow over a month playing 8+ hours a day to figure out that banelings can be upgraded? Playing Brood War will make starcraft 2 seem very easy to Yellow, all he has to do is learn some builds/strategies imo. Just saying, that if you dont acknowledge the baneling speed upgrade or you dont know that reapers cannot shoot air, then obviously you are at stage of learning process where your superior BW career is virtually no help for you.
*facepalm*
Are you trying to say the ability to micro a unit REGARDLESS of the unit is a worthless skill? Or the ability to macro REGARDLESS of what you're making is a worthless skill?
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Hes knowledge about this game is so little presumably, that his BW background helps only a little. His general rts skill sets are "defeated" by all the shit he does not know about sc2. Sure yellow probably will advance in more faster pace than average sc2 newb, but we are talking his current state gameplay skill wise.
Im sorry if you dont get this, I can see that if after this post you still are arguing you will not get it. It is not worth it to try to explain in words of one syllable.
Oh, and btw knowing how to perfectly micro brood war units does not automatically transfer to knowing how to micro different units in different game. Give me a break guys, really.
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honestly everyone has a different opinion. How come failed BW pro's dominate SC2? Boxer was essentially a failing legend, when he switched. I personally know nothing of yellow.
Honestly they need to put Yellow with NesTea and Losira for a month after this project deal is over and he'll be insane. So far all the footage we've seen was pre showmatch. So its very possible he just isn't getting it, isn't doing the work and isn't learning fast enough.
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On August 23 2011 03:11 JBanKs wrote:I just asked StarTale_Bomber as I am staying in the house for my little blog site, he said it is a fake yellow
nooooo
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On August 23 2011 02:39 Lordwar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 02:34 Zeke50100 wrote:On August 23 2011 02:30 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 02:28 Zeke50100 wrote:On August 23 2011 02:24 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 02:11 Zeke50100 wrote:On August 23 2011 01:57 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 01:44 Elem wrote:On August 23 2011 01:30 Lordwar wrote:On August 23 2011 01:27 arbitrageur wrote:
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NO. This was before his showmatch. In his showmatch he looked gold/low-plat. His mutas were of course better than gold, but his macro, droning, decision making, scouting, everything else was really shocking. he was worse than average gold, believe me. He was truly a bronze Not really, people overexaggerate the stomping too much. he did not know that banelings can be speed upgraded, and i fucking promise you that average gold level zerg knows that kind of stuff Doesn't matter when 300 APM rolls over 50 APM Bronze league players anyway. Knowledge =/= Skill Wow, that was really stupid post from you. Says the guy who thinks you can't be a gold level player without knowing about baneling speed. If you read my posts carefully, you may find out that i actually never said anything like that. I'm sorry? You say he is truly a Bronze player, then counter someone saying the stomping wasn't at the level of Grandmaster vs Bronze by saying he didn't know about Baneling speed, which the average Gold level player knows about? Right. Go learn how to argue. Average gold player plays simply better, yellow is more like average bronze. I know he was gold at the time of showmatch so did not say he was actually in bronze.
Excuse me? Average gold player would play better than Yellow?
Even if we take Yellow @ the time when he played boxer in the show match, his decision making skill & overall understanding of the game was much better than most NA Master players.
Most gold players (at least in NA) only know how to execute the builds they are familiar with, and once the other player does anything to disrupt their build (early harassment) they get lost and don't know what to do for the rest of the game.
Yes he may not have known about Baneling speed. But his game sense & understanding of starcraft game mechanics would have him beat any gold player, any time.
(I'll bet you Yellow can beat most golds w/o having use of queen's larva ability)
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LOL this is not a bunker rush
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SC2 needs to foster rivalries to become popular, this would just be destroying that goal in its crib.
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On August 23 2011 04:52 purecarnagge wrote:
honestly everyone has a different opinion. How come failed BW pro's dominate SC2? Boxer was essentially a failing legend, when he switched. I personally know nothing of yellow.
Honestly they need to put Yellow with NesTea and Losira for a month after this project deal is over and he'll be insane. So far all the footage we've seen was pre showmatch. So its very possible he just isn't getting it, isn't doing the work and isn't learning fast enough.
Boxer was a 'failing legend' in sense that the new players such as Flash and Bisu were just that talented and were putting in efforts that he couldn't follow.
He was still a talented and competent player. He would've beat any and all foreign players at that time. (sorry for this cheap shot, but I am quite offended by that statement and this is an easy analogy for the westerns to understand)
That shows the level of talent & the level of dedication Boxer and other BW pros can put into SC2.
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On August 23 2011 04:12 Lordwar wrote:
Hes knowledge about this game is so little presumably, that his BW background helps only a little. His general rts skill sets are "defeated" by all the shit he does not know about sc2. Sure yellow probably will advance in more faster pace than average sc2 newb, but we are talking his current state gameplay skill wise.
Im sorry if you dont get this, I can see that if after this post you still are arguing you will not get it. It is not worth it to try to explain in words of one syllable.
Oh, and btw knowing how to perfectly micro brood war units does not automatically transfer to knowing how to micro different units in different game. Give me a break guys, really.
you dont deserve a break because of how stubborn and rude youre being, not to mention wrong. i played broodwar for about 8 years and i picked up sc2 so much quicker than my friends who did not play broodwar at all. you know why? no, you wouldnt understand. i hope for team liquids sake all your posts arent this bad. give US a break and stop posting
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