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On June 01 2014 08:46 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 07:57 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 07:52 Faust852 wrote:
At least i'm not biased enough to think that Classic beating Bbyong or Bbyong beating Parting are upsets.
I must have some interesting bias, I'm biased for P against T in one case, and then I'm biased for T against P in the other. That sounds nice. I just think you don't know the pro scene well enough. You rank players too high or too low. You base all your argumentation on some BO1 of ATC, and other weird criterias.
Absolutely this. If you think Bbyong beating PartinG is an upset you should really start followin SC2. Bbyong is surely better as of now. I'd argue Classic is better than Parting is but they are probably at the same level or something close.
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On June 01 2014 09:27 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 08:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 07:57 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 07:52 Faust852 wrote:
At least i'm not biased enough to think that Classic beating Bbyong or Bbyong beating Parting are upsets.
I must have some interesting bias, I'm biased for P against T in one case, and then I'm biased for T against P in the other. That sounds nice. I just think you don't know the pro scene well enough. You rank players too high or too low. You base all your argumentation on some BO1 of ATC, and other weird criterias. Absolutely this. If you think Bbyong beating PartinG is an upset you should really start followin SC2. Bbyong is surely better as of now. I'd argue Classic is better than Parting is but they are probably at the same level or something close.
That sounds like a nice opinion to have. It's probably based on some kind of fact.
Let's see:
- 1v1 record of Parting vs Bbyong? Nope, they are 1-1 now.
- Perhaps their overall record is very different ? Bbyong is 54,87%, and Parting is... damn it, he's higher at 62.43%. So not that.
- Must be the record vs the opposing race then. Bbyong is 57-43 (57%), and Parting is 178-100 (only a weak ass 64%).
- Maybe we should just focus on recent results then. Since the patch, Parting has been 10-2 vs terran, and bbyong has been 13-8. Then again Parting only played in april, he has no matches vs terran in march, so maybe it's more fair to focus on april for both (10-2) and (7-4). I let you be the judge of that.
- But I guess Bbyong must be viewed by the community as the terran savior, right? Oh, wait, that's actually Maru. Bbyong is the guy who everyone is surprised to see in the Ro32 every season. So, not that either.
- And probably Parting's PvT is viewed by protoss as very shitty, so that would explain why Bbyong is a clear favourite over him? Ah, damn it, that isn't true either, a lot of protosses view his PvT very highly, judging it to be top 3 or top 5 on the planet...
Damn it, all these facts get in the way of my knowledge. Maybe you can help me out with your better understanding of the scene?
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it is no upset because it is no upset, an upset would suggest a clearly inferior player wins versus a better one.
this is not the case as you have pointed out.
bbyong is 7-2 vs protoss since april beating sos, stork, tails, parting, zest
parting is 10-2 vs terran since april beating mma, mkp, hack, supernova, fantasy
it is obsolete to say that parting had mediocre terrans (given their current results) while bbyong did indeed face high caliber players.
partings pvt is nowhere near bbyongs tvp right now (hell yes partings pvt was godlike in wol, no doubt) thus making it in no freaking way an upset.
so what exactely are you talking about? karpfen is absolutely right.
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On June 01 2014 09:47 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 09:27 Karpfen wrote:On June 01 2014 08:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 07:57 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 07:52 Faust852 wrote:
At least i'm not biased enough to think that Classic beating Bbyong or Bbyong beating Parting are upsets.
I must have some interesting bias, I'm biased for P against T in one case, and then I'm biased for T against P in the other. That sounds nice. I just think you don't know the pro scene well enough. You rank players too high or too low. You base all your argumentation on some BO1 of ATC, and other weird criterias. Absolutely this. If you think Bbyong beating PartinG is an upset you should really start followin SC2. Bbyong is surely better as of now. I'd argue Classic is better than Parting is but they are probably at the same level or something close. That sounds like a nice opinion to have. It's probably based on some kind of fact. Let's see: - 1v1 record of Parting vs Bbyong? Nope, they are 1-1 now. - Perhaps their overall record is very different ? Bbyong is 54,87%, and Parting is... damn it, he's higher at 62.43%. So not that. - Must be the record vs the opposing race then. Bbyong is 57-43 (57%), and Parting is 178-100 (only a weak ass 64%). - Maybe we should just focus on recent results then. Since the patch, Parting has been 10-2 vs terran, and bbyong has been 13-8. Then again Parting only played in april, he has no matches vs terran in march, so maybe it's more fair to focus on april for both (10-2) and (7-4). I let you be the judge of that. - But I guess Bbyong must be viewed by the community as the terran savior, right? Oh, wait, that's actually Maru. Bbyong is the guy who everyone is surprised to see in the Ro32 every season. So, not that either. - And probably Parting's PvT is viewed by protoss as very shitty, so that would explain why Bbyong is a clear favourite over him? Ah, damn it, that isn't true either, a lot of protosses view his PvT very highly, judging it to be top 3 or top 5 on the planet... Damn it, all these facts get in the way of my knowledge. Maybe you can help me out with your better understanding of the scene?
2nd best player in Round3 (And best terran)
4th best player in round2 (and best terran)
Only player with Maru & SuperNova to reach code S twice this year.
EVERY terran concider Bbyong second best terran in the world dude.
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On June 01 2014 22:46 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 09:47 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 09:27 Karpfen wrote:On June 01 2014 08:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 07:57 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 07:52 Faust852 wrote:
At least i'm not biased enough to think that Classic beating Bbyong or Bbyong beating Parting are upsets.
I must have some interesting bias, I'm biased for P against T in one case, and then I'm biased for T against P in the other. That sounds nice. I just think you don't know the pro scene well enough. You rank players too high or too low. You base all your argumentation on some BO1 of ATC, and other weird criterias. Absolutely this. If you think Bbyong beating PartinG is an upset you should really start followin SC2. Bbyong is surely better as of now. I'd argue Classic is better than Parting is but they are probably at the same level or something close. That sounds like a nice opinion to have. It's probably based on some kind of fact. Let's see: - 1v1 record of Parting vs Bbyong? Nope, they are 1-1 now. - Perhaps their overall record is very different ? Bbyong is 54,87%, and Parting is... damn it, he's higher at 62.43%. So not that. - Must be the record vs the opposing race then. Bbyong is 57-43 (57%), and Parting is 178-100 (only a weak ass 64%). - Maybe we should just focus on recent results then. Since the patch, Parting has been 10-2 vs terran, and bbyong has been 13-8. Then again Parting only played in april, he has no matches vs terran in march, so maybe it's more fair to focus on april for both (10-2) and (7-4). I let you be the judge of that. - But I guess Bbyong must be viewed by the community as the terran savior, right? Oh, wait, that's actually Maru. Bbyong is the guy who everyone is surprised to see in the Ro32 every season. So, not that either. - And probably Parting's PvT is viewed by protoss as very shitty, so that would explain why Bbyong is a clear favourite over him? Ah, damn it, that isn't true either, a lot of protosses view his PvT very highly, judging it to be top 3 or top 5 on the planet... Damn it, all these facts get in the way of my knowledge. Maybe you can help me out with your better understanding of the scene? 2nd best player in Round3 (And best terran) 4th best player in round2 (and best terran) Only player with Maru & SuperNova to reach code S twice this year. EVERY terran concider Bbyong second best terran in the world dude.
What do those stats have to do with the quality of Bbyong's TvP vs the quality of Parting's TvP? Bbyong being the 2nd best terran in the world does not discuss his TvP in the least.
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On June 02 2014 01:07 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 22:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 09:47 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 09:27 Karpfen wrote:On June 01 2014 08:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 07:57 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 07:52 Faust852 wrote:
At least i'm not biased enough to think that Classic beating Bbyong or Bbyong beating Parting are upsets.
I must have some interesting bias, I'm biased for P against T in one case, and then I'm biased for T against P in the other. That sounds nice. I just think you don't know the pro scene well enough. You rank players too high or too low. You base all your argumentation on some BO1 of ATC, and other weird criterias. Absolutely this. If you think Bbyong beating PartinG is an upset you should really start followin SC2. Bbyong is surely better as of now. I'd argue Classic is better than Parting is but they are probably at the same level or something close. That sounds like a nice opinion to have. It's probably based on some kind of fact. Let's see: - 1v1 record of Parting vs Bbyong? Nope, they are 1-1 now. - Perhaps their overall record is very different ? Bbyong is 54,87%, and Parting is... damn it, he's higher at 62.43%. So not that. - Must be the record vs the opposing race then. Bbyong is 57-43 (57%), and Parting is 178-100 (only a weak ass 64%). - Maybe we should just focus on recent results then. Since the patch, Parting has been 10-2 vs terran, and bbyong has been 13-8. Then again Parting only played in april, he has no matches vs terran in march, so maybe it's more fair to focus on april for both (10-2) and (7-4). I let you be the judge of that. - But I guess Bbyong must be viewed by the community as the terran savior, right? Oh, wait, that's actually Maru. Bbyong is the guy who everyone is surprised to see in the Ro32 every season. So, not that either. - And probably Parting's PvT is viewed by protoss as very shitty, so that would explain why Bbyong is a clear favourite over him? Ah, damn it, that isn't true either, a lot of protosses view his PvT very highly, judging it to be top 3 or top 5 on the planet... Damn it, all these facts get in the way of my knowledge. Maybe you can help me out with your better understanding of the scene? 2nd best player in Round3 (And best terran) 4th best player in round2 (and best terran) Only player with Maru & SuperNova to reach code S twice this year. EVERY terran concider Bbyong second best terran in the world dude. What do those stats have to do with the quality of Bbyong's TvP vs the quality of Parting's TvP? Bbyong being the 2nd best terran in the world does not discuss his TvP in the least.
Why would you just say that ? It's been said earlier that Bbyong's TvP is really really strong with wins over Zest, Parting, Stats, sOs, Stork, Super, Classic, Creator, etc.
I really don't see the point of your post. I was just saying that Nebuchad was uderestimating Bbyong a lot.
Bbyong almost only pllay Proleague while Parting has done much more tourney in 2014 that biase his winrate ratio playing against weaker players.
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On June 02 2014 01:22 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 01:07 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 01 2014 22:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 09:47 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 09:27 Karpfen wrote:On June 01 2014 08:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 07:57 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 07:52 Faust852 wrote:
At least i'm not biased enough to think that Classic beating Bbyong or Bbyong beating Parting are upsets.
I must have some interesting bias, I'm biased for P against T in one case, and then I'm biased for T against P in the other. That sounds nice. I just think you don't know the pro scene well enough. You rank players too high or too low. You base all your argumentation on some BO1 of ATC, and other weird criterias. Absolutely this. If you think Bbyong beating PartinG is an upset you should really start followin SC2. Bbyong is surely better as of now. I'd argue Classic is better than Parting is but they are probably at the same level or something close. That sounds like a nice opinion to have. It's probably based on some kind of fact. Let's see: - 1v1 record of Parting vs Bbyong? Nope, they are 1-1 now. - Perhaps their overall record is very different ? Bbyong is 54,87%, and Parting is... damn it, he's higher at 62.43%. So not that. - Must be the record vs the opposing race then. Bbyong is 57-43 (57%), and Parting is 178-100 (only a weak ass 64%). - Maybe we should just focus on recent results then. Since the patch, Parting has been 10-2 vs terran, and bbyong has been 13-8. Then again Parting only played in april, he has no matches vs terran in march, so maybe it's more fair to focus on april for both (10-2) and (7-4). I let you be the judge of that. - But I guess Bbyong must be viewed by the community as the terran savior, right? Oh, wait, that's actually Maru. Bbyong is the guy who everyone is surprised to see in the Ro32 every season. So, not that either. - And probably Parting's PvT is viewed by protoss as very shitty, so that would explain why Bbyong is a clear favourite over him? Ah, damn it, that isn't true either, a lot of protosses view his PvT very highly, judging it to be top 3 or top 5 on the planet... Damn it, all these facts get in the way of my knowledge. Maybe you can help me out with your better understanding of the scene? 2nd best player in Round3 (And best terran) 4th best player in round2 (and best terran) Only player with Maru & SuperNova to reach code S twice this year. EVERY terran concider Bbyong second best terran in the world dude. What do those stats have to do with the quality of Bbyong's TvP vs the quality of Parting's TvP? Bbyong being the 2nd best terran in the world does not discuss his TvP in the least. Why would you just say that ? It's been said earlier that Bbyong's TvP is really really strong with wins over Zest, Parting, Stats, sOs, Stork, Super, Classic, Creator, etc. I really don't see the point of your post. I was just saying that Nebuchad was uderestimating Bbyong a lot. Bbyong almost only pllay Proleague while Parting has done much more tourney in 2014 that biase his winrate ratio playing against weaker players.
I was asking why your response of his list of Parting's accomplishments is somehow irrelevant by saying that Bbyong being better than other terran players suggests his TvP is good?
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On June 02 2014 01:22 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 01:07 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 01 2014 22:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 09:47 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 09:27 Karpfen wrote:On June 01 2014 08:46 Faust852 wrote:On June 01 2014 07:57 Nebuchad wrote:On June 01 2014 07:52 Faust852 wrote:
At least i'm not biased enough to think that Classic beating Bbyong or Bbyong beating Parting are upsets.
I must have some interesting bias, I'm biased for P against T in one case, and then I'm biased for T against P in the other. That sounds nice. I just think you don't know the pro scene well enough. You rank players too high or too low. You base all your argumentation on some BO1 of ATC, and other weird criterias. Absolutely this. If you think Bbyong beating PartinG is an upset you should really start followin SC2. Bbyong is surely better as of now. I'd argue Classic is better than Parting is but they are probably at the same level or something close. That sounds like a nice opinion to have. It's probably based on some kind of fact. Let's see: - 1v1 record of Parting vs Bbyong? Nope, they are 1-1 now. - Perhaps their overall record is very different ? Bbyong is 54,87%, and Parting is... damn it, he's higher at 62.43%. So not that. - Must be the record vs the opposing race then. Bbyong is 57-43 (57%), and Parting is 178-100 (only a weak ass 64%). - Maybe we should just focus on recent results then. Since the patch, Parting has been 10-2 vs terran, and bbyong has been 13-8. Then again Parting only played in april, he has no matches vs terran in march, so maybe it's more fair to focus on april for both (10-2) and (7-4). I let you be the judge of that. - But I guess Bbyong must be viewed by the community as the terran savior, right? Oh, wait, that's actually Maru. Bbyong is the guy who everyone is surprised to see in the Ro32 every season. So, not that either. - And probably Parting's PvT is viewed by protoss as very shitty, so that would explain why Bbyong is a clear favourite over him? Ah, damn it, that isn't true either, a lot of protosses view his PvT very highly, judging it to be top 3 or top 5 on the planet... Damn it, all these facts get in the way of my knowledge. Maybe you can help me out with your better understanding of the scene? 2nd best player in Round3 (And best terran) 4th best player in round2 (and best terran) Only player with Maru & SuperNova to reach code S twice this year. EVERY terran concider Bbyong second best terran in the world dude. What do those stats have to do with the quality of Bbyong's TvP vs the quality of Parting's TvP? Bbyong being the 2nd best terran in the world does not discuss his TvP in the least. Bbyong almost only pllay Proleague while Parting has done much more tourney in 2014 that biase his winrate ratio playing against weaker players.
What were those tournaments, exactly? I can't say I remember them, you will be able to help me there.
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He played in IEM tournaments, WCG match at the end of 2013, Redbull Battleground, etc. These tournament boost his ratio quite a bit too.
Anyway, i'm not denying Parting is extremely good, easily one of the best players in the world. I'm just arguing Bbyong isn't some random korean either, him being probably, the second best terran in the world right now (with a mention to Innovation whos look like he's coming back into shape).
Anyway, you could try to avoid these shitty sarcasm with me because I never said Bbyong was better than Parting, you are the one who are completly clueless about reality.
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On June 02 2014 01:39 Faust852 wrote:
He played in IEM tournaments, WCG match at the end of 2013, Redbull Battleground, etc. These tournament boost his ratio quite a bit too.
Anyway, i'm not denying Parting is extremely good, easily one of the best players in the world. I'm just arguing Bbyong isn't some random korean either, him being probably, the second best terran in the world right now (with a mention to Innovation whos look like he's coming back into shape).
None of those tournaments are counted in the "recent stat" in question. Moreover, in the IEM he played in 2014, he played against Dream and TY, so even if it was counted, it wouldn't really lower the level).
It's never been implied that Bbyong was a random korean. If Zest were to beat Maru today, most people would consider that a surprise. That doesn't mean Zest sucks.
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On June 02 2014 01:39 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, you could try to avoid these shitty sarcasm with me because I never said Bbyong was better than Parting, you are the one who are completly clueless about reality.
It's kind of hard to take you seriously, you have questioned my understanding of the scene on the same page where you declared Happy was better than First, amidst other random stuff.
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On June 02 2014 01:47 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 01:39 Faust852 wrote:
He played in IEM tournaments, WCG match at the end of 2013, Redbull Battleground, etc. These tournament boost his ratio quite a bit too.
Anyway, i'm not denying Parting is extremely good, easily one of the best players in the world. I'm just arguing Bbyong isn't some random korean either, him being probably, the second best terran in the world right now (with a mention to Innovation whos look like he's coming back into shape). None of those tournaments are counted in the "recent stat" in question. Moreover, in the IEM he played in 2014, he played against Dream and TY, so even if it was counted, it wouldn't really lower the level). It's never been implied that Bbyong was a random korean. If Zest were to beat Maru today, most people would consider that a surprise. That doesn't mean Zest sucks.
But it was counter in you overrall stats still.
About Bbyong losing to Zest being an upset ? Not at all, for absolutly noone who has a bit on progammer culture. Zest is easily top3 protoss in the world, he has already beat Maru, show awesome control and in no way him beating Maru would shock me, I might even chose him over Maru.
You really should stop ranking players like that.
Maru, while being a complete beast in TvP, isn't the kind of god that doesn't lose versus protoss, actually there are no more terran players like that, for years. Maru lost so San, herO and Super. And they aren't better than Zest too.
So please, again, stop doing what you are doing right now because it leads to nothing except maybe convincing yourself that terrans are upseting right and left against protoss. That's not true.
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On June 02 2014 01:49 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 01:39 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, you could try to avoid these shitty sarcasm with me because I never said Bbyong was better than Parting, you are the one who are completly clueless about reality. It's kind of hard to take you seriously, you have questioned my understanding of the scene on the same page where you declared Happy was better than First, amidst other random stuff.
I bet you don't even know who First is. This guy hasn't done enything significant for ages, he lives in Europe for a while now, losing maps to mid and low tiers european players. He is so unconsistant that's sad to watch.
So yes, he might be better than the average european pro gamer, but Happy has established himself as the best, or the second best terran foreigner alongside Bunny. And his TvP is just amazing. (He almost beat MC yeah).
Edit : Actually, I think it's not the progamming scene knowledge you are lacking of, but just the meaning of what an upset is.
Sjow beating Life is an upset, Harstem finishing 1st of his WCS group is an Upset.
Happy beating First is not, so is not Classic beating Bbyong.
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On June 02 2014 01:57 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 01:49 Nebuchad wrote:On June 02 2014 01:39 Faust852 wrote:
Anyway, you could try to avoid these shitty sarcasm with me because I never said Bbyong was better than Parting, you are the one who are completly clueless about reality. It's kind of hard to take you seriously, you have questioned my understanding of the scene on the same page where you declared Happy was better than First, amidst other random stuff. I bet you don't even know who First is. This guy hasn't done enything significant for ages, he lives in Europe for a while now, losing maps to mid and low tiers european players. He is so unconsistant that's sad to watch.
Terrans who beat First since the patch: Happy, Bunny, Jjakji, MMA.
Literally mid to low tier european players.
He lost to Diestar 4 months ago, that is the one and only time his PvT was in question ever since he's been "in Europe" (he was still playing from Korea at this time).
First was, with Rain, the only person who didn't lose every single PvT at the start of HotS in Korea, btw. That's probably something you should consider when you take him for a random.
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He has lost to players like Zanster, JonSnow, Lilbow.
He has lost maps to players like DieStar, Krass, Ascending, NoMatch.
Again, I never said he was weak. I just fucking said that Happy beating him IS NOT AN UPSET ?
What do you want ? Do you want me to report you for trolling ? That's what you want ? Because you are only arguing against yourself when I just clear thing up with objectivity.
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On June 02 2014 02:12 Faust852 wrote:
He has lost to players like Zanster, JonSnow, Lilbow.
He has lost maps to players like DieStar, Krass, Ascending, NoMatch.
Again, I never said he was weak. I just fucking said that Happy beating him IS NOT AN UPSET ?
What do you want ? Do you want me to report you for trolling ? That's what you want ? Because you are only arguing against yourself when I just clear thing up with objectivity.
You're spreading out false statements and when I answer it's trolling. You straight up say First is weak in a post and then say "Again I never said he was weak" in the next one. How do you expect to have discussions. If anything, you should probably report yourself.
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On June 02 2014 02:18 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 02:12 Faust852 wrote:
He has lost to players like Zanster, JonSnow, Lilbow.
He has lost maps to players like DieStar, Krass, Ascending, NoMatch.
Again, I never said he was weak. I just fucking said that Happy beating him IS NOT AN UPSET ?
What do you want ? Do you want me to report you for trolling ? That's what you want ? Because you are only arguing against yourself when I just clear thing up with objectivity.
You're spreading out false statements and when I answer it's trolling. You straight up say First is weak in a post and then say "Again I never said he was weak" in the next one. How do you expect to have discussions. If anything, you should probably report yourself.
Are you for real ? I said exactly what it is. I said he lost maps to mid and low tiers players.
I said he was inconsistant.
That's all I said about him. I never said he was bad or weak or anything.
You are putting word on my mouth that I never said. So please stop it right now because it becomes really annoying.
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On June 02 2014 02:21 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 02:18 Nebuchad wrote:On June 02 2014 02:12 Faust852 wrote:
He has lost to players like Zanster, JonSnow, Lilbow.
He has lost maps to players like DieStar, Krass, Ascending, NoMatch.
Again, I never said he was weak. I just fucking said that Happy beating him IS NOT AN UPSET ?
What do you want ? Do you want me to report you for trolling ? That's what you want ? Because you are only arguing against yourself when I just clear thing up with objectivity.
You're spreading out false statements and when I answer it's trolling. You straight up say First is weak in a post and then say "Again I never said he was weak" in the next one. How do you expect to have discussions. If anything, you should probably report yourself. Are you for real ? I said exactly what it is. I said he lost maps to mid and low tiers players. I said he was inconsistant. That's all I said about him. I never said he was bad or weak or anything. You are putting word on my mouth that I never said. So please stop it right now because it becomes really annoying.
You said he was not at the level of the top european scene. It might surprise you to learn that this means he's actually weak, for anyone who can use "objectivity" (such as you claim to be able to).
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On June 02 2014 02:27 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 02:21 Faust852 wrote:On June 02 2014 02:18 Nebuchad wrote:On June 02 2014 02:12 Faust852 wrote:
He has lost to players like Zanster, JonSnow, Lilbow.
He has lost maps to players like DieStar, Krass, Ascending, NoMatch.
Again, I never said he was weak. I just fucking said that Happy beating him IS NOT AN UPSET ?
What do you want ? Do you want me to report you for trolling ? That's what you want ? Because you are only arguing against yourself when I just clear thing up with objectivity.
You're spreading out false statements and when I answer it's trolling. You straight up say First is weak in a post and then say "Again I never said he was weak" in the next one. How do you expect to have discussions. If anything, you should probably report yourself. Are you for real ? I said exactly what it is. I said he lost maps to mid and low tiers players. I said he was inconsistant. That's all I said about him. I never said he was bad or weak or anything. You are putting word on my mouth that I never said. So please stop it right now because it becomes really annoying. You said he was not at the level of the top european scene. It might surprise you to learn that this means he's actually weak, for anyone who can use "objectivity" (such as you claim to be able to).
Please quote me.
I said :
So yes, he might be better than the average european pro gamer
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On June 01 2014 02:50 Faust852 wrote:
Happy is better than First.
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