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Carush
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
August 14 2011 13:19 GMT
#1
I remember back in beta there was this interview with TLO i think it was by hd/husky and he said something about if you change your graphics settings a certain way it is a lot easier to see invisible units like observers

i've searched but i can't find it does anyone remember these settings or if this is even true?

i say this because i was watching byuns stream and he's amazing at killing observers and i think that is such a huge deal tvp
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
August 14 2011 13:22 GMT
#2
hadnt thought about this earlier, but does it get easier to spot observers standing still if you use the "zoom in"-feature? shouldnt it? to spot a stationary observer is almost impossible usually
Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
August 14 2011 13:24 GMT
#3
documents/starcraft II/variables.txt

change to following two lines to:

simplifiedCloaking=0
simplifiedShaders=0
"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
August 14 2011 13:26 GMT
#4
^^ Doesn't exist in my variables.txt file.
pepperman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States180 Posts
August 14 2011 13:27 GMT
#5
On August 14 2011 22:22 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
hadnt thought about this earlier, but does it get easier to spot observers standing still if you use the "zoom in"-feature? shouldnt it? to spot a stationary observer is almost impossible usually


Yeah zooming in and out let's you see cloaked units better. You can see ThorZain do it almost every TvP if you watch his stream.
Mun Seong-Won!
Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
August 14 2011 13:32 GMT
#6
On August 14 2011 22:26 arbitrageur wrote:
^^ Doesn't exist in my variables.txt file.


ok then I dunnooooooooo





mayb add them?
"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
Soliduok
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada222 Posts
August 14 2011 13:47 GMT
#7
I remember someone mentioning during tournament play that IdrA uses something like low graphic settings yet ultra texture quality. I don't have access to SC2 at the moment so don't quote me exactly, but it is something along those lines.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 13:48:00
August 14 2011 13:47 GMT
#8
I think on a day9daily TLO mentioned something about everything on LOW settings, excepting 1 or 2 options on high/ultra, cant remember which ones though
I was searching for the answer earlier today too lol
beep boop
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
August 14 2011 13:52 GMT
#9
TLO is playing on everything low except textures and effect in Ultra.

After making some searchs myself, I noticed that the best way to spot observer is to play in extreme settings and to be sure of the position of the obs you can inser/delete (move camera on side) like Byun or just zoom to better see the observer.

I would like to know if, playing on low settings, there is something else that you could boost to increase the visibility of the observers. Because I can't play on extreme when I stream, the game becomes a bit laggy :s
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 13:53:27
August 14 2011 13:53 GMT
#10
On August 14 2011 22:52 Cosmos wrote:
TLO is playing on everything low except textures and effect in Ultra.

After making some searchs myself, I noticed that the best way to spot observer is to play in extreme settings and to be sure of the position of the obs you can inser/delete (move camera on side) like Byun or just zoom to better see the observer.

I would like to know if, playing on low settings, there is something else that you could boost to increase the visibility of the observers. Because I can't play on extreme when I stream, the game becomes a bit laggy :s

pretty sure thats what idra does aswell, altho i thought it was everything low except textures?
no dude, the question
TheDoK666
Profile Joined May 2010
France179 Posts
August 14 2011 13:53 GMT
#11
On August 14 2011 22:24 Tiazi wrote:
documents/starcraft II/variables.txt

change to following two lines to:

simplifiedCloaking=0
simplifiedShaders=0


yes that's how u have the reall FF and cloaked unit in low settings
pwet
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
August 14 2011 13:54 GMT
#12
I'm not completely against this, but at what point does this kind of thing get to the verge of cheating? I mean, sure, the cloaked units can't be targeted unless revealed, but still, it seems like it takes away some of the usefulness of cloaked units.

And yeah, if you were on the ball/lucky, you might see their cloaked units anyway, but that would generally be more unlikely than if you left settings on predetermined levels (e.g. low, high, medium, w/e).

I'm not saying don't customise your settings, but tailoring them to increase your ability to see cloaked units seems a bit underhanded imo.
TheDoK666
Profile Joined May 2010
France179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 13:55:14
August 14 2011 13:55 GMT
#13
no, you don't see cloaked units , u just see them better when u reveal them, that's the problem when u play on low
pwet
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
August 14 2011 13:59 GMT
#14
On August 14 2011 22:55 TheDoK666 wrote:
no, you don't see cloaked units , u just see them better when u reveal them, that's the problem when u play on low

Oh, in that case, that's completely fine. Just the "making easier to see while not revealed" was what I was aiming my previous post at.
jimmyjingle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States472 Posts
August 14 2011 14:02 GMT
#15
lol yeah this is totally unfair use of ...ingame settings x]

I remember distinctly that the method TLO uses was: everything on low except textures, which need to be on ultra. Optional are effects on ultra, which i use purely for a visibility thing.

and further you have the option to enter the
"simplifiedCloaking=0
simplifiedShaders=0" lines into the variables txt.
I get brain like a skull
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
August 14 2011 14:04 GMT
#16
it doesn't make them any easier to see while not revealed, but it does make them easier to see when revealed.
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Johnranger-123
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United Kingdom341 Posts
August 14 2011 14:14 GMT
#17
Any little help counts, if you can do it so can other people, as long as your not disobeying the ToS blizz wont care either. It doesnt give you that much of an advantage cause you can normally see moving cloacked units quite easy anyway.
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1355 Posts
August 14 2011 14:23 GMT
#18
i would recommend this special pair of glasses im using myself since the beta with alot of succes!


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Volka
Profile Joined December 2010
Argentina408 Posts
August 14 2011 14:29 GMT
#19
I play on ultra and cloaked units are really easy to see, if they're moving. Terran insta scan and kill my Obvie
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akaname
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 14:34:49
August 14 2011 14:34 GMT
#20
On August 14 2011 23:23 kAra wrote:
i would recommend this special pair of glasses im using myself since the beta with alot of succes!


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that made me laugh a lot
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gulshngill
Profile Joined December 2010
Malaysia140 Posts
August 14 2011 14:36 GMT
#21
IdrA does this I think...
Low settings and Ultra textures
mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
August 14 2011 14:40 GMT
#22
Idra mentioned something about using ultra low graphics quality and ultra textures.
"..it all comes thumbling down thumbling down thumblin down"
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
August 14 2011 14:45 GMT
#23
Blizz patched that 'everythinhg but textures on low' thing out.
Well, you can still have it, but it doesn't make cloaked units any more visible.
shapoopie
Profile Joined August 2011
6 Posts
August 14 2011 14:46 GMT
#24
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ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
August 14 2011 14:49 GMT
#25
I play on medium settings, high textures. I can see stationary cloaked fine (most of the time). A friend of mine asked about this. Is this a common problem? I am color deficient, I don't know if that matters (it shouldn't).
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 15:02:39
August 14 2011 15:01 GMT
#26
If you're zerg, you can delete only creep animation with saving all graphics (shaders, textures, effects, etc) on max

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=241083
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 03:51:30
August 14 2011 15:37 GMT
#27
First, set your graphics quality to Low, then change the following:
Textures: Ultra
Effects: Ultra
Terrain: Medium (Optional)
Models: High
Unit Portraits: 3D (Personal Preference)

Textures: Ultra - changes the detail of everything - you'll be able to spot the cloaked blur easier. Put on Ultra if you have a 1gb+ graphics card.

Effects: Ultra - changes the detail of particle, ribbon, splat, explosions, dust, tread, and beams. I can't tell if cloaked units are easier to see, but I know that burrowed Roaches/Infestors are easier to spot with Effects on Ultra. The shadow/tread that appears when burrowed units move is larger, darker, and more noticeable when set to Ultra.

Terrain: Medium - creep looks nicer, makes no difference to cloaked visibility; set to low or medium, whichever you prefer.

Models: High - I believe this has to do with unit model animations - when set to low it uses the same animation for multiple units, like when a zealot or stalker warps it uses a generic warp animation. When on high, you can tell whether what kind of unit (zealot, stalker, sentry, etc) as it's warping, so make sure you set this to High.

I don't recommend changing the simplifiedCloaking or simplifiedShaders in variables.txt, it can mess with the graphics and personally I don't think it looks any better.
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