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New rule: If you want to criticize the idea of girls only teams make your own thread.
Veritassong
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada393 Posts
August 08 2011 22:12 GMT
#181
good luck
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psteeleneg
Profile Joined June 2011
48 Posts
August 08 2011 22:19 GMT
#182
I think "girl-only" teams are counter-productive. We need just to have teams accept both guys and girls into their teams and have diverse teams. It's kind of the same argument as korean/foreigner argument. I've seen foreign pros do way better than a lot of the lesser know non big name stars on the korean teams, so korean teams could benefit from having a few really good foreign player just like foreign teams could benefit from having a good korean or two. I've seen some girls play just as good and sometimes better than some of the lower of the male pros. What needs to happen is just a diversifying of current teams. Creating "girl-only" team almost encourages keeping the pro teams male only if the girl gamers would rather go to a girl only team.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
August 08 2011 22:30 GMT
#183
It seems to me that a lot of people are missing the point, whether intentionally or not I don't know. It's easy for guys to find other guys and practice in a relaxed and fun environment without any consideration for how they'll be treated in doing so, and as a result it's far easier to take that leap from playing to practicing within a community to get better.

Having a girls only practice team and community opens this option for women that might otherwise not exist, and as such is a good thing. Are you really suggesting you expect fem-fx to be fielding a girl's only showing at the next GSTL and that as men this change would suddenly mean you couldn't attend?

This team is a good idea and I hope it's successful.
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bananafisho
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
23 Posts
August 08 2011 22:34 GMT
#184
Congratulations ladies on this amazing initiative! I wish you the best of lucks,
in every aspect of your team. And it's really nice to see all these efforts for
growing and expanding the female Starcraft community.
Chortana
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands18 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 23:04:54
August 08 2011 23:02 GMT
#185
On August 09 2011 07:11 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 06:40 Chortana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On August 09 2011 05:15 ComaDose wrote:
There is no such thing as sexism against males in video games.

This thread is a living example of sexism against males in the video game community, and I doubt there was never a case of sexism against males in every video game ever created.

Sexism is a word to describe a general mentality spanning across a large group of people.

No it isn't, maybe this is where you go wrong, sexism can also clearly happen on an individual basis.
Sexism = Discrimination, Discrimination =/= Sexism.

There is no issue with creating a girl only team/tourney/league as long as women are underrepresented and the target of prejudice.

Just because someone gets bullied/assaulted/[insert something here] does not give them the right to do the same to the one bullying/assaulting etc.

If gays were viewed equally in everyone and their fathers' eyes there would be no gay pride parade.

Speculation, gays are incredibly respected in the Netherlands and yet we have gay pride parades.
Foreigners are disliked more, but not hated.
Should we have a Turkey pride parade, Germany pride parade and UK pride parade?

Women are underrepresented in ESPORTS and often abused as a result of ignorance. These women are making their OWN community and they can accept whomever they choose! Their goal isn't to win the GSTL but to help ESPORTS. People like Kallozar are victims to the hereditary prejudices society has been endorsing since things like blindly following the church were common place. Remarks such as his hurt ESPORTS ;p

Are Women underrepresented in e-sports? Maybe.
I however, doubt that the e-sports community is at fault for that, there simply aren't that many females who enter e-sports and actually go through it, and those that do get a lot of respect (ToSsGirL for instance).
While I'm not trying to say one should ignore Kallozar, one should not think that the entire scene is like that because of a single incident.

Everyone is equal. Those that are not treated as such have every right to stand up and give themselves special treatment in the face of oppression.

That is an incredibly stupid sentence, it could justify the Irish bombing the hell out of North Ireland because of "oppression", face it, women are NOT oppressed in a manner in which they have less chances of succeeding in a lot of things.
And even if they are oppressed, your Einstein sentence still applies in irony at your own logic.
You try to quit oppression by oppression of your own.

I wish you all the best in your starcraft enterprises be it playing or otherwise

So do I, good luck with your team.

+ Show Spoiler +
This is all from a Dutch view-point, I don't know how shit happens in S.Korea/US

Edit: fixing a sentence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism
You called me stupid. I'm offended.
Read this then pm me if you wish to continue this conversation.


I didn't call you stupid, the only time I used the word stupid is when I described a sentence.

Definition of Sexism: Sexism, also known as gender discrimination or sex discrimination, is the application of the belief or attitude that there are characteristics implicit to one's gender that indirectly affect one's abilities in unrelated areas. It is a form of discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, with such attitudes being based on beliefs in traditional stereotypes of gender roles.

Where exactly does it say something about the fact that it is only sexism when a group has that attitude?
No. Fucking. Where.
Goodnight.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
August 08 2011 23:07 GMT
#186
Good luck with everything femFX...awesome initiative!
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
goldemerald
Profile Joined January 2011
United States39 Posts
August 08 2011 23:11 GMT
#187
This seems ridiculously sexist. Can you imagine if a team came out and said that they would only recruit male players? I cannot believe someone would have the audacity to make a team such as this. This is just as bad, if not worse, than the defending of Slayers_EVE joining team Slayers for her good looks. This is not the way to go about promoting Esports or even general equality for the sexes.

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jenzebubble
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
August 08 2011 23:15 GMT
#188
On August 09 2011 08:11 goldemerald wrote:
This seems ridiculously sexist. Can you imagine if a team came out and said that they would only recruit male players? I cannot believe someone would have the audacity to make a team such as this. This is just as bad, if not worse, than the defending of Slayers_EVE joining team Slayers for her good looks. This is not the way to go about promoting Esports or even general equality for the sexes.


Based on the amount of sand in your vagina I'd say you have an excellent shot of getting accepted as a member.
"It's like waxing your balls, it hurts like a biiiitch but after they are silky smooth...." -Kennigit
goldemerald
Profile Joined January 2011
United States39 Posts
August 08 2011 23:21 GMT
#189
On August 09 2011 08:15 jenzebubble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 08:11 goldemerald wrote:
This seems ridiculously sexist. Can you imagine if a team came out and said that they would only recruit male players? I cannot believe someone would have the audacity to make a team such as this. This is just as bad, if not worse, than the defending of Slayers_EVE joining team Slayers for her good looks. This is not the way to go about promoting Esports or even general equality for the sexes.


Based on the amount of sand in your vagina I'd say you have an excellent shot of getting accepted as a member.


WTF? That is such a douche bag thing to say. I cannot understand how that adds to this discussion in any way.
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corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
August 08 2011 23:22 GMT
#190
this is pretty awesome. :D
http://www.twitch.tv/corpsep0se
NaviListen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
August 08 2011 23:43 GMT
#191
Hey, glad to see the reactions to this news are mostly positive. I'm happy to have been chosen as this team's captain and I will make it my duty to bring any member up to speed that wishes to compete. Trust me when I say that the ladder rankings of these girls are mostly irrelevant. A couple of them give me a good run for my money every time we practice and along with the coaches, I think we could have a highly competitive team going to events as a group by the end of the year. It will take time but I'm confident in my team and what we can accomplish.

In response to goldemerald, I don't think it's official that we are a "girl only" team. Our coaches are quite talented and I would be greatly interested in including them as players if the founders are fine with that.
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goldemerald
Profile Joined January 2011
United States39 Posts
August 08 2011 23:48 GMT
#192
On August 09 2011 08:43 NaviListen wrote:
Hey, glad to see the reactions to this news are mostly positive. I'm happy to have been chosen as this team's captain and I will make it my duty to bring any member up to speed that wishes to compete. Trust me when I say that the ladder rankings of these girls are mostly irrelevant. A couple of them give me a good run for my money every time we practice and along with the coaches, I think we could have a highly competitive team going to events as a group by the end of the year. It will take time but I'm confident in my team and what we can accomplish.

In response to goldemerald, I don't think it's official that we are a "girl only" team. Our coaches are quite talented and I would be greatly interested in including them as players if the founders are fine with that.


On August 08 2011 16:25 karenmcd wrote:

Just not quite sure where I would put this, so ill try here... If you've checked out my stream, you may have noticed for the last month I've been playing under a new ID: femFxKaren. If you have participated in the ESL:Iron Lady you may have met Yui the Administrator. Yui(Andrea) and Nemi(Susan) and myself(Karen) started a new girls only team. It's been on the go for almost 2 months now and we are launching our site today officially to the public :o) (Monday August 8th 00:00 Pacific Time)


If it isn't a girls only team, then I think you should ask karenmcd to edit the post to avoid any more controversy.
Trying is the first step towards failure.
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
August 08 2011 23:48 GMT
#193
On August 09 2011 08:11 goldemerald wrote:
This seems ridiculously sexist. Can you imagine if a team came out and said that they would only recruit male players? I cannot believe someone would have the audacity to make a team such as this. This is just as bad, if not worse, than the defending of Slayers_EVE joining team Slayers for her good looks. This is not the way to go about promoting Esports or even general equality for the sexes.


You sound kind of mad. Did you get rejected or something?
Orzabal
Profile Joined December 2009
France287 Posts
August 09 2011 00:16 GMT
#194
What is the point to make an "only femal team" or an "only male team" ?

User was warned for this post
rainmakerSAGA
Profile Joined July 2011
Algeria4 Posts
August 09 2011 00:21 GMT
#195
sounds like a nub team.

channel google for seX

User was temp banned for this post.
NaviListen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
August 09 2011 00:30 GMT
#196
On August 09 2011 08:48 goldemerald wrote:
If it isn't a girls only team, then I think you should ask karenmcd to edit the post to avoid any more controversy.


It's entirely up to them, not to me. I don't have any authority other than setting up and helping the girls to practice. And there is no controversy. There will be no change to the team just to make people happy. If this is so controversial to you, tell me of one other team that actually includes a girl. May I remind you that we are not the first only-girl team. If you are so outraged with us, kindly include that outrage with clan PMS lest you sound hypocritical. And perhaps you would be better off asking why more prominent teams such as EG, Liquid and CoL do not include any women in their roster instead of wagging your finger at us for having no men.
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ninjan
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 00:31:13
August 09 2011 00:30 GMT
#197
I don't get how anyone can argue that this is not sexism, because it clearly is. However, perhaps that is what's needed to encourage and help women who wants to get more involved do so, so I don't really see the issue. But denying that it's sexism is madness.

EDIT: Good luck with the team!
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
August 09 2011 00:37 GMT
#198
On August 09 2011 09:30 ninjan wrote:
I don't get how anyone can argue that this is not sexism, because it clearly is. However, perhaps that is what's needed to encourage and help women who wants to get more involved do so, so I don't really see the issue. But denying that it's sexism is madness.

EDIT: Good luck with the team!

And national teams/tournaments are xenophobic, right? :/

Haters gonna hate.
Andrew_TA
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand15 Posts
August 09 2011 00:38 GMT
#199
femFxRogue fighting!
NaviListen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
August 09 2011 00:39 GMT
#200
On August 09 2011 09:30 ninjan wrote:
I don't get how anyone can argue that this is not sexism, because it clearly is. However, perhaps that is what's needed to encourage and help women who wants to get more involved do so, so I don't really see the issue. But denying that it's sexism is madness.

EDIT: Good luck with the team!


"Sexism" implies that we believe there are characteristics to one's gender that directly affect their abilities. Exclusivity does not equal sexism. It's not a girl-only team because we believe men are inferior or superior, or vice-versa. I can't change your views, but you are quite wrong on that front. Thank you for the good wishes.
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