EPTOn August 07 2011 02:10 Chairman Ray wrote:
Foreigners need to get better looking as well.
Foreigners need to get better looking as well.
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Mr. Bitter: The foreign players have to get better - Page 4
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
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branflakes14
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starmeat_
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We just don't have the same work ethic as they do in the east. Sure, a few will breakthrough, but the vast majority will be Koreans. If they're not practicing now, or if they are, if they're not as good as the Koreans now, what makes people think they will be in the future. Surely it's up to the managers to create team houses as well as kick out stagnant players and recruit talent. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On August 07 2011 00:50 Jacko11 wrote: Its nothing that hasn't already been said by many others. No one wants another SCBW skill gap. pretty much. | ||
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sephius
United Kingdom200 Posts
On August 07 2011 01:04 Chargelot wrote: You know, when America was new, the British were dominating. What is true now, at this very moment, is not necessarily true in 10 years. That applies to everything. The Led Zeppelin came. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
Think how things may have changed if white-ra didn't have to go through the open bracket, or if some other noteable foreigners were playing other then some of the lowers skilled NA/EU players. But ya, foreigners are going to have to pick up the pace or be left behind, without coveted spots on pro-teams. Koreans are not only taking tournament money, if things don't change they will also be taking jobs. | ||
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
On August 07 2011 01:05 gwaihir wrote: thats what i always say..... its simple math.....12-14 practice mostly everyday is simple a bigger number than 4-8 hours very unfrequently....it just pays off....(ofc stupid mass gaming doesnt help, please keep in mind i include the professional practice atmosphere in korean teamhouses here) the foreigners need teams that act more strict to practice...there are some teams that have contracts which include some hours they must play per day/week ....but thats just a joke because its not that much...if they really want to compete with the best, they need to train like the best and stop slacking... there are really horrible examples how too less practice brings you down. like tyler for example which always excuses his slumps with things like "i didnt practice enough" "i should practice more"...but most of the time he just keeps excusing instead of starting to practice a lot ^^ (ofc he is really excused in some way way (marriage and stuff) ) thats why naniwa fits so perfect into the korean scene. hes a workaholic at starcraft and he will defenitly use his time in korea to get maximum results in terms of skill Problem with Naniwa is that he tilts easily, sort of like Idra. I hope Naniwa does well in Korea but I think Thorzain is the better hope for a foreigner to reach Idra's and Huk's level. | ||
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ShaneFreeze
Sweden9 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On August 07 2011 03:08 ShaneFreeze wrote: It will be interesting to see how the EG Teamhouse affects the foreigner SC2 scene. If we see success from EG in the future you can rest assured that other teams will follow their lead. Once that happens it will probably even out a bit, but it certainly won't be an easy run to catch up with the koreans who are really showing of some insanely impressive results. I too hope for results from the house, but I fear it will still be a casual atmosphere. Practice for a few hours a day and then it's GTL. Who knows, maybe Anna will whip them into shape, or be part of the problem | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
A lot of people who visit teamliquid now are people that never followed the BW scene, or just played BW for a couple of years and never picked it up again until SC2 came out. They never realized how much the scene has evolved since then and how how far the foreigners fell behind. Look at recent WCGs - Koreans are saying the foreigners are like playing like the computer (AI) The fact of the matter is, Koreans are just better than foreigners when it comes to the amount of work and dedication they put in. Look at all the players that have experienced Korean training or have lived in Korea/are currently playing in Korea. Do you think it's a fluke that all these players are ahead of players that have had no experience to the Korean training style? And I think this is good for the game. I always root for Koreans because I want the better player to win, Korean or not. Better players always make for better games because the level of play is so much more refined, the potential of a race is being explored and build orders are being pushed to the limits, relying on the thinest of timings. In short, I want players to win because they are more skilled than their opponent, rather than their opponent being bad, if that makes sense | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
I've always thought of it like this. Idra said on State of the Game one episode that mechanics are so easy now that the "better player" in terms of mechanics doesn't necessarily win. That has changed Starcraft 2 into a game where once you get your mechanics down, it's all about strategy. If you're good enough to become a pro one day, six months of playing will probably get you those mechanics that'll keep you going in the tourneys. But you have to keep playing to think of strategies and get army confrontations down and think the game through once you've reached that mid game stretch. I don't care how many titles you won in Starcraft, only so much theorycraft will make up for practice. Koreans practice more on average than foreigners. That's a fact I doubt anyone would debate. But they're not necessarily getting those mechanics so far beyond us that we can't just keep up; they're getting that strategic part of the game so far beyond us that we don't even know how to counter their plays. It's like Slayers ambushing zergs with the Blue Flame Hellion/Marine medivac lift at MLG, except every tourney every game every time. TL;DR: Practice more, and your mechanics might not necessarily sky rocket past everyone else's, but your understanding of strategy is. And that's what Starcraft 2 hinges it's games on. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On August 07 2011 03:15 StorkHwaiting wrote: I think it's rubbish to claim spectatorship will get stale if Koreans win everything. Do people in Europe stop watching basketball because America always dominates? Do people in India not watch football because they never win? I don't buy that logic at all. While this may be true, those types of events only happen like once a year. SC2 has a big name tournament once a month or so. | ||
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Jesushooves
Canada553 Posts
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
On August 07 2011 03:29 Jesushooves wrote: It's hard for foreigners to compete, most people can only play a few hours a day...and it isn't really socially acceptable that you play 12 hours a day outside of Korea...I doubt the skill gap will shrink at all unfortunately It wasn't initially socially acceptable to do that in Korea either. It still isn't 100% acceptable either. Parents in Korea still want their kids to be doctors and lawyers or to go to SNU. The problem is that the foreign pros want to live like the Korean's, playing Starcraft for a living, yet they won't do the work that is require to lead that lifestyle. They shouldn't be rewarded for doing worse, it's just not fair for the Koreans or the spectators who want to watch the highest level of play. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 07 2011 03:23 magnaflow wrote: While this may be true, those types of events only happen like once a year. SC2 has a big name tournament once a month or so. Basketball games are played every day... So are soccer matches... | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On August 07 2011 03:41 StorkHwaiting wrote: Basketball games are played every day... So are soccer matches... Ahh sorry, i thought you we're refering to the olympics or something. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 07 2011 03:46 magnaflow wrote: Ahh sorry, i thought you we're refering to the olympics or something. That's what I mean though. People in India will watch Manchester U. People in Slovenia will watch Lakers games. People aren't really as racist/nationalistic as to say they won't be interested if someone from their own country/race isn't the one winning. | ||
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Iberville
Canada207 Posts
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