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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 07 2011 01:13 SecondChance wrote: This. Voiced by so many others so many times. Commentator mentions it in part of an interview? Topicworthy. It's just a piece of a whole interview. Topic is for interview. Stop being such a douche ;<. Anyway cool interview. Seems people only response to titles | ||
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mapthesoul
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
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dafunk
France521 Posts
Yeah right. StrifeCro, Axslav, Incontrol, Machine and LzGamer are all top level players. User was warned for this post | ||
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Kimla
Sweden400 Posts
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
I'm starting to really enjoy Bitter's casting a lot more. He's mixing perfectly with Rotterdam - Rotterdam's skill has a lot to do with this I think; he's very versatile, as a friend put it to me - and he's clearly enjoying himself. Once he begins to loosen up on camera a little more, he should try to cast for the GSL. Only other thing I'd suggest is that he straighten up his posture a little (don't slump the shoulders so much) to cast a better on-camera profile. That and continue to enjoy yourself. I'm enjoying watching the two of you - Rotterdam/Bitter - on camera, so keep it up. | ||
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
Yeah, I'm all for "support e-Sports", but right now I think that the reason so many foreigners are watching is because the foreign players can still compete. But the skill gap is growing and growing fast. And with less and less foreigners being able to compete with Koreans (most who can are in Korea/have spent time in Korea), I worry that the foreign interest level will die. But when Koreans start topping every single MLG, NASL, basically any event that allows them to participate, it will get stale for some people. Personally, I am more interested in the better matches, it's why I don't watch the IPL. Not because of casters, production quality or whatever, it's because the games aren't as good. It's also why a mainstream foreign scene won't work unless they start to really, really pick it up. It's kind of why the MLS isn't as popular in the United States. Yeah, yeah, America doesn't like soccer as much, but it also doesn't help that the average level of play is hugely lower than that of Europe, with our best players going over there to compete instead of wasting their talents in the MLS. Would I like to see foreign players succeed? Hell yeah I would, but they have to start training like the Korean progamers if they want to live the lives of the Korean progamers. 11+ hours a day of practice, quality practice. If you want to get good you have to work at it. That's why Huk is succeeding, that's why Naniwa will probably do very well. It's because they are willing to work hard to get those results, not just complain about how the Koreans are taking their money. If I didn't have school, work, other obligations, I would love to put 9-10 hours a day into the game to see where I could get. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
Also what you'll see is the pressure from the sponsors on the players which will get them motivated and practicing. Once the REAL money starts to roll in, the sponsors will really be able to say, "hey you need to be performing at this level. you are expected to practice and treat this like your job." People are assuming that the gap won't be closed, but I think the opposite. I just think there is a bit of a lag right now between the influx of money, and the players being able to slowly rearrange their lives to dedicate their time. Also, it means young talent, the 15-18 year old gamers that might have potential can realistically say, "I'm going to practice and be a full time pro gamer" and not have it be a complete joke. Before, it was like, "yeah ok you can do that but you still need to go to school or have a job." It won't be the case as it becomes an actual attainable option that hey you could do this full time. So I'm not in a crazy panic mode like some people over Koreans having won some tournaments recently. It just takes time for the players to come around and things to catch up. But one thing anyone knows, and you see this in sports all the time, if there is money, talent will follow and so will results. Just look at European, and SA basketball. Who would have thought anyone in the world would ever compete with the US after those first few Dream Teams. Then all the sudden basketball gains popularity in foreign areas, money comes in, talented players and athletes get serious, and next thing you know international basketball has closed the gap big time. Is the US still ahead? Sure, but it isn't just a walkover, and it isn't uncommon to see foreign teams win games or exhibitions. The last point is that the foreign player vs. Korean rivalry will also help. I think players will be more motivated then ever to beat Koreans. Nothing like being told how good you aren't, to get you motivated to prove someone otherwise. I think foreign players will and already are sick of seeing the Koreans win everything and when you hear pros they are more serious then ever. I think some of them took for granted what it was going to take and thought the gap was closer then it really was. I'm optimistic about how SC2 is going to develop globally. I think Koreans will dominate for the next few months, but you are going to start to see some foreign results slowly and slowly and one day we'll wake up a year from now and that gap will have really closed. /rant over. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On August 07 2011 01:04 Chargelot wrote: You know, when America was new, the British were dominating. What is true now, at this very moment, is not necessarily true in 10 years. That applies to everything. Bad example. And in Esports, it has been the case that a scene will get dominated consistently for 10 years. That's just how it's worked in the past. Honestly, though, it'll moreso come down to wether or not SC2 remains popular. If it doesn't, the sponsors will leave, MLG will ditch it, and the foreign scene will become as it was in BW. But as long as cash is flowing through the scene, the foreign players have the opportunity to rise to the occasion, and start beating koreans consistently, even if they're getting dominated by them at the moment. Let's just hope that they do. | ||
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
brachester Australia. August 07 2011 00:58. Posts 322 In korea [..] gaming is still not as accepted as in the western [...] Wait... what..? Could you give some more information because I can't believe in a society with such a big progaming scene gaming could be less accepted by the mainstream than in the Western society where nothing comparable exists. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On August 07 2011 01:00 JustPassingBy wrote: Maybe it's not only the players which are lacking, but also the teams. Not many foreign teams can provide their players with the excellend practise conditions that are in Korea (team house and dedicated coach). I agree with this. The companies that are emplying these players have to ensure that their employees are doing their job. I don' think in order for them to keep up they have to practice for 16hrs a day, but they do have to practice. If I were a team manager I would schedule training sessions like any other job that I am paid to do. Mon-Fri 9-5 with a 1hr lunch Anyways, the way I see it if the foreigner players can't keep up we will see these foreign teams employing Korean players while the foreign players will be out of a job and competing in online cups (that no one cares about) for a few bucks here and there. | ||
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Hikari
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Vladix
Netherlands227 Posts
On August 07 2011 01:45 magnaflow wrote: I agree with this. The companies that are emplying these players have to ensure that their employees are doing their job. I don' think in order for them to keep up they have to practice for 16hrs a day, but they do have to practice. If I were a team manager I would schedule training sessions like any other job that I am paid to do. Mon-Fri 9-5 with a 1hr lunch Anyways, the way I see it if the foreigner players can't keep up we will see these foreign teams employing Korean players while the foreign players will be out of a job and competing in online cups (that no one cares about) for a few bucks here and there. 9-5 with 1 hour lunch ? Wish my job had that, 10 hrs without lunchbreak  But yea they need a coach / manager that makes sure they use there time well and tells what they need to improve. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
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sagefreke
United States241 Posts
Sen is just the beginning. | ||
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
On August 07 2011 00:50 Jacko11 wrote: Its nothing that hasn't already been said by many others. No one wants another SCBW skill gap. I want it to be that way where Koreans just 2:0 each foreigner and only can be beaten by another korean. Maybe I'm just Korean bias? I respect foreigners like HuK and Jinro who are staying in korea long term. Most Foreigners are too lazy to practice or to get better, they need to be under strict management of practicing and not just practice with the team but amongst other teams. If foreign players don't want to be under strict policies then have fun making no money on the game you love. | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On August 07 2011 02:03 skrzmark wrote: I want it to be that way where Koreans just 2:0 each foreigner and only can be beaten by another korean. Maybe I'm just Korean bias? I respect foreigners like HuK and Jinro who are staying in korea long term. That's strange to be honest. That's basically saying you want competition to die down and eventually have people lose interest in the game. | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
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