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koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
August 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#61
wait the president of sc2pa is IMJunwi?
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
August 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#62
On August 04 2011 20:47 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:42 AxionSteel wrote:
Hahahaha, knew there were more reasons for everyone leaving TSL.

It's a separate issue though. I'm in no way saying Lee's actions were correct. Just trying to see things from his light. I'm quite sad that the past few drama incidents have really dropped TSL's reputation needlessly.

The issue however seems to be with FD and Trickster, who were not putting in their share of work (despite being the only two receiving nearly $1k a month in salaries). The other players like Clide, SangHo, etc, all still kept practiced hard and even returned their salaries when their team were in trouble.

I think Lee probably should have took the offer to negotiate with the players, but then again, he could still be a bit pissed at s2con's inaction over Puma's departure. It's just a very bad time for him and TSL.


This is exactly how I feel.
I dont know why people are bringing Puma and EG into this separate story especially without the TSL statement yet.
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 11:51:51
August 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#63
On August 04 2011 20:37 TheSilverfox wrote:
Which teams are members of the SC2 Players Association?

What I can see SlayerS isn't a member of the association as well, is there a reason why it is so?


it was made before slayers was made. not sure why they haven't been embedded into the association but that's probably a reason for it

also, not that surprised this happened. i never judged coach lee like i knew what was going on, but people don't suddenly leave your team en masse for no reason, and especially the chain of events with the Puma deal (or lack thereof) showed me his dishonest character.
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
August 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#64
On August 04 2011 20:43 chrisv10 wrote:
TSL response:
http://sc2tsl.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=61&wr_id=2016&page=0&sca=&sfl=&stx=&sst=&sod=&spt=0&page=0


Anyone willing to translate this?
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#65
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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 04 2011 11:50 GMT
#66
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?


Only got Coach Lee's word for that - FruitDealer and Tester would never go out and dispute that, because of the Confucius-sort of honor code asian people have for leaders/elders
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 04 2011 11:51 GMT
#67
On August 04 2011 20:49 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?

I agree with this. If they want to get paid they should earn it.

Sir, you have summed it up perfectly, but legally, it's still wrong, that's why they got expelled.
I hate all this singing
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
August 04 2011 11:51 GMT
#68
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?


No, that's not fair.

You either keep paying them or tell them to practice X much or you will kick them from the team.

Not paying them while still using them for sponsorship is rotten.

HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#69
On August 04 2011 20:49 baoluvboa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:47 pdd wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:42 AxionSteel wrote:
Hahahaha, knew there were more reasons for everyone leaving TSL.

It's a separate issue though. I'm in no way saying Lee's actions were correct. Just trying to see things from his light. I'm quite sad that the past few drama incidents have really dropped TSL's reputation needlessly.

The issue however seems to be with FD and Trickster, who were not putting in their share of work (despite being the only two receiving nearly $1k a month in salaries). The other players like Clide, SangHo, etc, all still kept practiced hard and even returned their salaries when their team were in trouble.

I think Lee probably should have took the offer to negotiate with the players, but then again, he could still be a bit pissed at s2con's inaction over Puma's departure. It's just a very bad time for him and TSL.


This is exactly how I feel.
I dont know why people are bringing Puma and EG into this separate story especially without the TSL statement yet.


Because lots of people sided with EG in the PuMa/EG situation, and now they're seeing a perfect opportunity for a nice smarmy "Aha!" moment.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#70
On August 04 2011 20:51 brachester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:49 zeru wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?

I agree with this. If they want to get paid they should earn it.

Sir, you have summed it up perfectly, but legally, it's still wrong, that's why they got expelled.


Part of the issue is that if this was a "honor" contract, then he also lied about receiving the money and why not to pay them. There is still some shiftiness going on here.
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baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#71
On August 04 2011 20:50 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?


Only got Coach Lee's word for that - FruitDealer and Tester would never go out and dispute that, because of the Confucius-sort of honor code asian people have for leaders/elders


But they did..
Fruitdealer admitted to drinking alot and not practicing. Both of them also left the team as well as working with the organization.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#72
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#73
On August 04 2011 20:49 SimDawg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:43 chrisv10 wrote:
TSL response:
http://sc2tsl.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=61&wr_id=2016&page=0&sca=&sfl=&stx=&sst=&sod=&spt=0&page=0


Anyone willing to translate this?

Based on my limited Google translate skills, it just basically goes on about what we already somewhat know, namely justifying withholding FD and Trickster's money due to their lax attitude to practice and also mentions that they'll still be participating in GSL/GSTL.
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brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#74
On August 04 2011 20:51 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?


No, that's not fair.

You either keep paying them or tell them to practice X much or you will kick them from the team.

Not paying them while still using them for sponsorship is rotten.


Apparently they can't just "kick" them from the team because the contract is still there, i don't know about the sponsorship thing though, maybe there's some misunderstanding there.
I hate all this singing
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#75
On August 04 2011 20:44 Shaxe wrote:
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On August 04 2011 20:41 mapthesoul wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:40 Shaxe wrote:
Is this really the mama bear from MBCgame Hero?

Nope, this is coach lee. He was also a coach for MBCgame, but not head coach like mama bear.

That's papa bear, mama bear (Coach Lee) always seemed so nice to players in the TV series, didn't expect him to lash out on players like that.

Aha, i confused them.
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#76
The only thing that should be questioned here is whether Coach Lee was lying about sponsorship money. The FD and Tester thing is understandable to me.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 11:53:45
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#77
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?

I can definitely see it this way but they were on contract weren't they? And it doesn't matter how hard they practice as long as it follows the contract. Same thing with pro athletes. They can perform at whatever level after the contract is signed, but there's no guarantee how well they'll perform and as long as they just show up to practice like agreed and play games then they still get paid the same amount. It's more difficult in this case since I'm sure they never outlined any sort of practice regimen (think TSL was pretty infamous for having lax practices until the recent changes).
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#78
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?


Yeah, FD and Trickster are notorious for being lazy - I think it's just fair if they don't get paid if they don't put in the work. That said I don't know what the contract/deal looked like.

I wasn't aware of any slander from TSL's part but then again I don't visit the Korean sites.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#79
On August 04 2011 20:52 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:51 brachester wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:49 zeru wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote:
Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either?

I agree with this. If they want to get paid they should earn it.

Sir, you have summed it up perfectly, but legally, it's still wrong, that's why they got expelled.

Legally? There's no contracts.

There is
I hate all this singing
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#80
this is awful, TSL's coach is getting so much flak lately.....
it's hard not to feel for him.....i really wonder what's going on and if all this stress would be alleviated soon
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