"So TED e-mailed me and is getting flooded with requests. If you'd be so kind as to halt ze e-mailing, I don't want anyone to drown <3."
and
"Regarding last tweet: For TED, only one person needs to send a single submission. Apparently they've received... well many more than one :D"
EDIT: We seemingly have a lot of people stating that "Day9 doesn't want to do it". Remember that he can always refuse a nomination, and we also don't know if he will get the speech in the first place.
EDIT #2: Day+TED do not want the continuous spam so let's stop sending nominations. Just please support the idea in your hearts and hopefully we can someday see this happen if TED decide to accept!
For those of you unaware, the Technology, Entertainment, and Design (TED) Conference is a world-famous conference held in various locations around the world. It attracts hundreds of visionaries and leaders such as Bill Gates and David Cameron, to famous scholars, artists, athletes, and scientists such as Malcolm Gladwell, James Cameron, Jane Goodall, and Al Gore. Each speaker is given roughly 20 minutes to speak and present an idea "worth sharing", in which no topic is off limits.
Watched by over 500 million total views across the world, I believe that TED can provide a platform to attract many more people into our awesome Starcraft 2 community. However, presenting SC2 in an informative, educational, and (most of all) fun way requires an intelligent and articulate speaker.
And who better that Day9?
The frontier spokesman for our community, it would be amazing to see Sean present our beloved game on stage for millions of non-gamers around the world to see. We could somehow even raise a fund for him to go speak. Sean provides years of experience, the backing of thousands of fans, and a passion for the game that I believe is unrivaled.
After watching MLG, GSL, and the various tournaments around world wide, I've realized that SC2 is DEFINITELY a topic worth being presented at TED. The events have done nothing but solidify my conviction that our community is worth being heard. From our small basements where nerds gather to LAN over a weekend, to massive tournaments with the best of the world from overseas competing in a virtual arena, our SC 2 community deserves to be heard by the larger audience. And if you have any doubts about Day9's speaking abilities, click the links below.
Day 9 Daily # 100 (Sean explaining his love for the game and how it has the power to change lives): + Show Spoiler +
If Sean is willing to do it, which I guess he would if it only helps esports and starcraft since his love to these games are so amazing: D, but I hope everyone in tl will do their efforts^^
On August 02 2011 21:34 TheSubtleArt wrote: It was would be awesome, but has day9 himself shown any interest in this?
Yeah, somebody should go ask him. I'm not sure if SC2 really fits into the TED style of conferences, although Day[9] would be a great speaker to present SC2 to non-gamers.
TL normally does not promote such stuff, but I think here an exception can be made. But, I think day9 has to show that he truly wants to do this first So until then, its just a thread.
This is a great idea! Cant believe what a great idea this is. A lot of my friends and adult friends watch TED talks and if Day 9 had a TED talk, it would really open them up to starcraft and the esports scene.
Was filling in the form, but email and phone for the Nominee are mandatory and I don't know those, maybe add them to the op? Although I'm pretty sure his phone number is private anyway?
It would be good if you could provide details in the OP as it requires an email address and telephone number for Sean. I take it most people dont know his telephone and email adress.
On August 02 2011 21:38 Beyonder wrote: TL normally does not promote such stuff, but I think here an exception can be made. But, I think day9 has to show that he truly wants to do this first So until then, its just a thread.
I'd email him, but he probably gets so much spam on the email he normally has out in the public that he'd never read it
The best thing to do is for someone to get him to read this thread and reply/post in it hopefully.
Multiple nominations for the same person won't influence the speaker selection team in any way. We review every nomination that comes in, and it only takes one.
So actually it would be better if he would write his nomination himself. Someone should tell him :<.
On August 02 2011 21:34 TheSubtleArt wrote: It was would be awesome, but has day9 himself shown any interest in this?
Yeah, somebody should go ask him. I'm not sure if SC2 really fits into the TED style of conferences, although Day[9] would be a great speaker to present SC2 to non-gamers.
Has been talks about games before, ted is not at all restricted to or from any particular theme, it is just about sharing 'ideas', e-sports definetly being one of those up and coming ideas that I am sure the majority of the TED crowd are ignorant of. Although I can't say for certain that Day9 would want to do this, he is always for spreading e-sports and its basically what he does\is trying to do is to make e-sports more mainstream, and doing a TED talk would definitively be one of the better things he could do for this. Have seen this idea posted a few times before on reddit (and also on teamliquid?) and always been supportive of it. Would be good not only to introduce the TED Crowd to esports, but could also be a good videoclip from a serious source to show people you know who are not yet familiar with e-sports as a way to introduce them.
It would be amazing, especially on TED, and I don't know a person that would be better suited to this then day9.
But I do have to ask, does he actually want to do this, or has he shown any interest in this himself? If yes, then i'll gladly vote. If no, you might want to consult day9 first instead of just putting him up there.
That would be wicked. However, the email address AND the telephone number of the nominee are required for the speakers' suggestion form. Quite a problem.
On August 02 2011 21:38 lofung wrote: i really doubt if day9 has anything insightful to present? but if he is willing to do it, i will support so.
In my opinion, the common trait in all those presentations is passion. The subject is almost secondary.
I love TED... hmmm, but I'm not entirely sure thats the correct platform for him - what will he talk about on Ted? I'll vote for him regardless and hope he can come up with something
On August 02 2011 21:38 Beyonder wrote: TL normally does not promote such stuff, but I think here an exception can be made. But, I think day9 has to show that he truly wants to do this first So until then, its just a thread.
Would be weird if this was not allowed. Both Anna Prosser as Miss USA was a thread, as well as that other thread about Day[9] in that youtube-contest(I think it was).
Don't know anyone in this community who wouldn't vote for him, as long as he's down. The question would come down to whether or not TED would allow him. I have always loved the talks on the site that I've had the pleasure to see, but the speakers are typically much more recognized and what not, more so than just a small subculture of e-Sports enthusiasts. That said, if anyone can do it, Day9 can, and should.
For anybody who's wondering, 'Well what if Sean wants to do it?,' I'd say the best thing to do is nominate him anyway. If TED finds the talk worth doing they'll ask him, and it'll just be up to his decision. But I'm filling out my nomination form!
On August 02 2011 21:59 ShamTao wrote: For anybody who's wondering, 'Well what if Sean wants to do it?,' I'd say the best thing to do is nominate him anyway. If TED finds the talk worth doing they'll ask him, and it'll just be up to his decision. But I'm filling out my nomination form!
Cool, what did you fill out for his email and telephone number?
On August 02 2011 22:00 Benkestok wrote: Haha, im sorry, i like Day9 and esports to. But its not worthy at all for TEDS.
You take that back. I've seen TED talks of big ass cardboard thingies that walked all by themselves along beaches (the power of wind). Illuminating a modern and growing subculture is a great topic for TED.
On August 02 2011 21:55 Usul.775 wrote: That would be wicked. However, the email address AND the telephone number of the nominee are required for the speakers' suggestion form. Quite a problem.
On August 02 2011 21:38 lofung wrote: i really doubt if day9 has anything insightful to present? but if he is willing to do it, i will support so.
In my opinion, the common trait in all those presentations is passion. The subject is almost secondary.
The subject is 100% secondary. Does anyone actually give a shit about double-digit people in Antarctica working on measuring some PH of stuff? Not particularly, but when someone truly cares and is passionate about it, it's riveting to hear about.
Sean Plott is this for E-sports. He would no doubt be a great personality to have do a TED talk.
I'd love him to do it but if he does.. he'd have to devote alot of time into making a very educational and informative for the masses and thats not something I'm sure anyone wants to jump into involuntarily. All the while, a good idea, because hes one of the very few capable of pulling that off.
You are right that if anyone would pull it off, day9 is probably the dude for the job.
I'd vote for him just because i want to see someone like him build a real career out of what they love and hes already put sooo much time into helping other people.
Well if anyone is going to do this then day[9] is clearly the one to do it. I tweeted the thread to him so hopefully he will find it when he wakes up as i believe its like 6am where he is.
As for speaking on SC2's behalf in a public forum (TED or another place), I'd personally nominate Artosis. Ideally, I'd have someone be able to speak about SC2 from a position of actually building the scene. Someone who's very familiar with Korea and the foreign growth. I don't see Sundance or Mr. Chae as the best speakers, but someone who has their insights as what goes on behind building the entire scene, along with the 10 year experience of someone like Artosis. Maybe if Mr. Chae was fluent in English, maybe he'd be ideal.
Nothing against Sean here, but he's not equipped to speak on e-sports. A TED talk on the evolution of StarCraft is not worthy enough for a TED talk.
One would want to speak on the transition society is experiencing from traditional sports to electronic sports. Show the trends. Show the current status. Please don't misinterpret this, but Day[9] is not well-versed enough in e-sports as a whole to speak on this subject. Ask him what he thinks about a Justin Wong, the rise in the Japanese arcade culture, the introduction to competitive gaming by John Romero and John Carmack, and I'm quite sure he would not know where to begin because he simply does not have that experience.
Additionally, Day[9] is riding waves set by other people within the industry. He has done a great deal for StarCraft II, but he's not a decision-maker behind e-sports. This is not to fault Sean, but to merely point out where his limitations are in relation to e-sports.
If you guys are serious, maybe you want to be a bit more constructive. A few topics or themes that he could talk about for 20 minutes, rather just saying "Day9 is so fabulously perfect, I can't imagine anything better", would be more helpful.
I already did this a while back when I saw the idea on reddit Still, it would be awesome if he could do it, as TED had such a wide and diverse audience, most of whom I would imagine don't know the e-sports industry or don't think well of it.
EDIT: For the guy above, it would be Day's call to make if he accepts. I'm sure he would have ideas, but I would imagine something about connecting people through video games.
On August 02 2011 21:38 Beyonder wrote: TL normally does not promote such stuff, but I think here an exception can be made. But, I think day9 has to show that he truly wants to do this first So until then, its just a thread.
Would be weird if this was not allowed. Both Anna Prosser as Miss USA was a thread, as well as that other thread about Day[9] in that youtube-contest(I think it was).
Anna Prosser happens to actually be running. Where as...
On August 02 2011 22:00 Benkestok wrote: Haha, im sorry, i like Day9 and esports to. But its not worthy at all for TEDS.
No? You sure haven't watched a lot of TED talks : )
I have. I just have to catch up on recent ones. They have felt like they've been getting watered down if that's you mean (yea, I'm going TED hipster nerd here). Still here's some of the very most recent topics.
After your final status update Ending hunger now The surprising math of cities and corporations A robot that flies like a bird Embracing otherness, embracing myself The origins of pleasure Time to end the war in Afghanistan How algorithms shape our world Fighting viruses, defending the net
Amazing idea, Day9 would be absolutely perfect for presenting ESPORTS/SC2 to a wider audience (in fact, he already has done so for all the people watching his dailies for the first time). Only if Day9 wants of course ^^ though he does so much casting and promoting of SC2 that i'm sure he wouldn't pass up such an oppertunity.
On August 02 2011 22:09 EG.lectR wrote: Nothing against Sean here, but he's not equipped to speak on e-sports. A TED talk on the evolution of StarCraft is not worthy enough for a TED talk.
One would want to speak on the transition society is experiencing from traditional sports to electronic sports. Show the trends. Show the current status. Please don't misinterpret this, but Day[9] is not well-versed enough in e-sports as a whole to speak on this subject. Ask him what he thinks about a Justin Wong, the rise in the Japanese arcade culture, the introduction to competitive gaming by John Romero and John Carmack, and I'm quite sure he would not know where to begin because he simply does not have that experience.
Additionally, Day[9] is riding waves set by other people within the industry. He has done a great deal for StarCraft II, but he's not a decision-maker behind e-sports. This is not to fault Sean, but to merely point out where his limitations are in relation to e-sports.
I personally see the issue as Day[9] going to TED to talk about the world and community of Starcraft 2 and its impact on the growth of E-sports than him actually commentating on E-sports as a whole. Just as someone would talk about their single specific research with a passion instead of the entire area of science, I feel like Day[9] would better talk about Starcraft 2, his relation to Starcraft 1, and then maybe why Starcraft 2, and in whole, the E-sports community, should be recognized for its passion and its closeness.
And I don't see Day[9] as 'riding waves set by other people within the industry'. His Day[9] Daily actually started BEFORE Starcraft 2 was even released or in Beta. He has contributed to the dying foreign SC1 community with his games, his passion, and his performances. While perhaps BoxeR may be a speaker that can truly comment on the growth of E-sports from the beginning as in my honest opinion, E-sports has reached its heights due to his contributions to make E-sports part of mainstream culture, I'm certain that Day[9] can exude the passion for the game he has loved for over a decade and attract the audience to this passion, which is what really, TED is all about: to attract others to a subject by exuding one's love and interest for it.
On August 02 2011 22:09 EG.lectR wrote: Nothing against Sean here, but he's not equipped to speak on e-sports. A TED talk on the evolution of StarCraft is not worthy enough for a TED talk.
One would want to speak on the transition society is experiencing from traditional sports to electronic sports. Show the trends. Show the current status. Please don't misinterpret this, but Day[9] is not well-versed enough in e-sports as a whole to speak on this subject. Ask him what he thinks about a Justin Wong, the rise in the Japanese arcade culture, the introduction to competitive gaming by John Romero and John Carmack, and I'm quite sure he would not know where to begin because he simply does not have that experience.
Additionally, Day[9] is riding waves set by other people within the industry. He has done a great deal for StarCraft II, but he's not a decision-maker behind e-sports. This is not to fault Sean, but to merely point out where his limitations are in relation to e-sports.
Sounds like you're the all knowing e-sport prophet and historian, maybe we should nominate you? Day9 riding waves? Seriously? I've been in "e-sports" since the Quake III, CS 1.3, BW days and I can easily say Day9 contributed a ton to the growth of SC2 without riding any sort of a wave. I have more than a few friends who didn't play RTSs at all and I was able to introduce them to the game through the dailies. How many people through your own merits and hard work were you able to attract to this game, because I'm undoubtedly sure it's less than day9. Also I like you how you throw out assumptions that he doesn't know about anything else other than SC2. Sounds like someone is jelly and is riding in day9s wave.
On August 02 2011 22:00 Benkestok wrote: Haha, im sorry, i like Day9 and esports to. But its not worthy at all for TEDS.
No? You sure haven't watched a lot of TED talks : )
I have. I just have to catch up on recent ones. They have felt like they've been getting watered down if that's you mean (yea, I'm going TED hipster nerd here). Still here's some of the very most recent topics.
After your final status update Ending hunger now The surprising math of cities and corporations A robot that flies like a bird Embracing otherness, embracing myself The origins of pleasure Time to end the war in Afghanistan How algorithms shape our world Fighting viruses, defending the net
At the same time, if you click on the 'entertainment' section, you get talks like 'Cooking as never seen before', 'Maya Baiser and her cellos' and 'This is beatjazz'. None of those seem like they would be the awe-inspiring, sweepingly general topics that you seem to think TED needs to be. They're just people who really like doing things and want to show off what they're all about. And they're fascinating as hell. Day[9] is one of the most interesting people to ever talk about esports and he'd be great at it, talking to people is kinda what he's good at. And he's thorough enough and he cares enough that it would be amazing.
I don't think he should speak only of SC2. It just sounds like an advertisement then. I think he should speak about the whole esports, and although he doesn't have that much experience in other fields, he has still shown that he's somewhat knowledgeable of other esport games.
On August 02 2011 22:09 EG.lectR wrote: Nothing against Sean here, but he's not equipped to speak on e-sports. A TED talk on the evolution of StarCraft is not worthy enough for a TED talk.
One would want to speak on the transition society is experiencing from traditional sports to electronic sports. Show the trends. Show the current status. Please don't misinterpret this, but Day[9] is not well-versed enough in e-sports as a whole to speak on this subject. Ask him what he thinks about a Justin Wong, the rise in the Japanese arcade culture, the introduction to competitive gaming by John Romero and John Carmack, and I'm quite sure he would not know where to begin because he simply does not have that experience.
Additionally, Day[9] is riding waves set by other people within the industry. He has done a great deal for StarCraft II, but he's not a decision-maker behind e-sports. This is not to fault Sean, but to merely point out where his limitations are in relation to e-sports.
Sounds like you're the all knowing e-sport prophet and historian, maybe we should nominate you? Day9 riding waves? Seriously? I've been in "e-sports" since the Quake III, CS 1.3, BW days and I can easily say Day9 contributed a ton to the growth of SC2 without riding any sort of a wave. I have more than a few friends who didn't play RTSs at all and I was able to introduce them to the game through the dailies. How many people through your own merits and hard work were you able to attract to this game, because I'm undoubtedly sure it's less than day9. Also I like you how you throw out assumptions that he doesn't know about anything else other than SC2. Sounds like someone is jelly and is riding in day9s wave.
He made good points, and brought up key people. Maybe you should address some of those. Not saying he's right but could you be more defensive? To think Day9 isn't qualified for TED, he must be jelly? There is no other logical explanation.
Day9 didn't create this scene. He's a boat (and a prominent one) riding this wave, not the current. Davie would be probably be a better speaker.
On August 02 2011 22:00 Benkestok wrote: Haha, im sorry, i like Day9 and esports to. But its not worthy at all for TEDS.
No? You sure haven't watched a lot of TED talks : )
I have. I just have to catch up on recent ones. They have felt like they've been getting watered down if that's you mean (yea, I'm going TED hipster nerd here). Still here's some of the very most recent topics.
After your final status update Ending hunger now The surprising math of cities and corporations A robot that flies like a bird Embracing otherness, embracing myself The origins of pleasure Time to end the war in Afghanistan How algorithms shape our world Fighting viruses, defending the net
At the same time, if you click on the 'entertainment' section, you get talks like 'Cooking as never seen before', 'Maya Baiser and her cellos' and 'This is beatjazz'. None of those seem like they would be the awe-inspiring, sweepingly general topics that you seem to think TED needs to be. They're just people who really like doing things and want to show off what they're all about. And they're fascinating as hell. Day[9] is one of the most interesting people to ever talk about esports and he'd be great at it, talking to people is kinda what he's good at. And he's thorough enough and he cares enough that it would be amazing.
Like I said, it's been watered down
Hey, I don't really see it. I think e-sports has an opportunity to be spoken about. If I saw a Counterstrike or Heroes of Newerth speaker, I'd probably be grouping that talk in the lower end of TED speeches. Also I don't see Day9 as the best candidate, because in my opinion, his perspective is relatively narrow. But whatever man. Day9's cool, and if everyone else wants to nominate him, go for it. I'm sure he'll do fine.
On August 02 2011 22:09 EG.lectR wrote: Nothing against Sean here, but he's not equipped to speak on e-sports. A TED talk on the evolution of StarCraft is not worthy enough for a TED talk.
One would want to speak on the transition society is experiencing from traditional sports to electronic sports. Show the trends. Show the current status. Please don't misinterpret this, but Day[9] is not well-versed enough in e-sports as a whole to speak on this subject. Ask him what he thinks about a Justin Wong, the rise in the Japanese arcade culture, the introduction to competitive gaming by John Romero and John Carmack, and I'm quite sure he would not know where to begin because he simply does not have that experience.
Additionally, Day[9] is riding waves set by other people within the industry. He has done a great deal for StarCraft II, but he's not a decision-maker behind e-sports. This is not to fault Sean, but to merely point out where his limitations are in relation to e-sports.
Sounds like you're the all knowing e-sport prophet and historian, maybe we should nominate you? Day9 riding waves? Seriously? I've been in "e-sports" since the Quake III, CS 1.3, BW days and I can easily say Day9 contributed a ton to the growth of SC2 without riding any sort of a wave. I have more than a few friends who didn't play RTSs at all and I was able to introduce them to the game through the dailies. How many people through your own merits and hard work were you able to attract to this game, because I'm undoubtedly sure it's less than day9. Also I like you how you throw out assumptions that he doesn't know about anything else other than SC2. Sounds like someone is jelly and is riding in day9s wave.
I think you've misinterpreted my tone and taken it quite personally. I'd love to talk to you about this in real-time if you'd like (shoot me a PM). I also don't think you would want to compare my own work with Day[9]'s as we deal with entirely separate areas and that would be unfair to both of us.
I'm simply saying that TED talks are aimed at making sense of a new technology or trend and its broad effects. Will StarCraft 2 be here in 10 years or will e-sports as a whole? Is it StarCraft II or is it live streaming that's responsible for the success we're seeing in e-sports? Has society's acceptance of online social interaction been the catalyst to the acceptance of SC2? These are all questions one would have to address before actually claiming SC2 is this unparalleled gateway to glorious gaming days.
I would think it would be better to address e-sports, an extremely foreign concept to average people, rather than attempt to explain one PC game that is only a portion of a larger concept that's already misunderstood. Before you can understand quantum physics, you need to understand physics (don't grill me you physics majors!).
On August 02 2011 22:47 Spicy Pepper wrote: Like I said, it's been watered down
Hey, I don't really see it. I think e-sports has an opportunity to be spoken about. If I saw a Counterstrike or Heroes of Newerth speaker, I'd probably be grouping that talk in the lower end of TED speeches. Also I don't see Day9 as the best candidate, because in my opinion, his perspective is relatively narrow. But whatever man. Day9's cool, and if everyone else wants to nominate him, go for it. I'm sure he'll do fine.
Fair enough. But the point I meant to make was that I really liked some of the TED talks that were for more specific audiences, even I wasn't who they were targeted at. Like some people have said, I don't think it's even the topic that matters that much. And Day[9] is one of those people that makes his topic interesting. And those people make the best TED talks.
While Day9 is awesome and would definitely be both entertaining and educational for a lot of people watching the TED talks, I have a feeling that Sundance would probably be better suited to this. Anyone who has heard Sundance on SotG last year knows that he has a lot of experience with the industry and really knows eSports inside and out. Having him as a representative at a TED talk just seems a lot more appealing to me, especially when considering how much serious, positive exposure he could get.
On August 02 2011 22:09 EG.lectR wrote: Nothing against Sean here, but he's not equipped to speak on e-sports. A TED talk on the evolution of StarCraft is not worthy enough for a TED talk.
One would want to speak on the transition society is experiencing from traditional sports to electronic sports. Show the trends. Show the current status. Please don't misinterpret this, but Day[9] is not well-versed enough in e-sports as a whole to speak on this subject. Ask him what he thinks about a Justin Wong, the rise in the Japanese arcade culture, the introduction to competitive gaming by John Romero and John Carmack, and I'm quite sure he would not know where to begin because he simply does not have that experience.
Additionally, Day[9] is riding waves set by other people within the industry. He has done a great deal for StarCraft II, but he's not a decision-maker behind e-sports. This is not to fault Sean, but to merely point out where his limitations are in relation to e-sports.
Sounds like you're the all knowing e-sport prophet and historian, maybe we should nominate you? Day9 riding waves? Seriously? I've been in "e-sports" since the Quake III, CS 1.3, BW days and I can easily say Day9 contributed a ton to the growth of SC2 without riding any sort of a wave. I have more than a few friends who didn't play RTSs at all and I was able to introduce them to the game through the dailies. How many people through your own merits and hard work were you able to attract to this game, because I'm undoubtedly sure it's less than day9. Also I like you how you throw out assumptions that he doesn't know about anything else other than SC2. Sounds like someone is jelly and is riding in day9s wave.
I think you've misinterpreted my tone and taken it quite personally. I'd love to talk to you about this in real-time if you'd like (shoot me a PM). I also don't think you would want to compare my own work with Day[9]'s as we deal with entirely separate areas and that would be unfair to both of us.
I'm simply saying that TED talks are aimed at making sense of a new technology or trend and its broad effects. Will StarCraft 2 be here in 10 years or will e-sports as a whole? Is StarCraft II the trend or is live streaming responsible for the success we're seeing in e-sports? Have new media technologies ushered in this new era or is it really just the uniqueness of SC2? These are all questions one would have to address.
I would think it would be better to address e-sports, an extremely foreign concept to average people, rather than attempt to explain one PC game that is only a portion of a larger concept that's already misunderstood. Before you can understand quantum physics, you need to understand physics (don't grill me you physics majors!).
Well day9 does have a masters in interactive media and does watch other esports than SC and theres no reason why he couldnt do a speech on esports with sc with the main example.
I think his general passion for gaming and his experience with gaming be a central/formative part of his life as witnessed in Daily 100 would be a fantastic topic for TED. Starcraft has been the specific game, but I could see him giving a really excellent talk on gaming in general. The nominations says it wants his phone number...obviously i don't have that, can we skip it?
On August 02 2011 22:59 Bobster wrote: Didn't HD and Painuser already give a TED talk about SC2 last year? I remember seeing the video, it was in a university or something.
But yeah, sure why not give Day9 a chance if he's up to it. More SC2 exposure is always a good thing.
Except HD and Painuser, no offense- are not appealing. If playing sc2 is like chilling with day9 a lot of people are going to join. However- if playing sc2 is like watching HD and painuser ... its a little less appealing. Sorry they just aren't attractive esports icons, especially HD hes almost like murder to the cause in many ways.
Honestly, this thread is a joke, stop turning sc2 into something it aint, and what it aint is TED material. Luckyli Day9 is actully smart, so he will know that to.
If he doesnt love it he shoudnt do it. One of the main reasons his casts are brilliant is because of the love for the game. I cant imagine him speaking at TED with the same enthusiasm and passion as seen on his streams.
On August 02 2011 23:04 jshoji wrote: If he doesnt love it he shoudnt do it. One of the main reasons his casts are brilliant is because of the love for the game. I cant imagine him speaking at TED with the same enthusiasm and passion as seen on his streams.
On August 02 2011 22:59 Bobster wrote: Didn't HD and Painuser already give a TED talk about SC2 last year? I remember seeing the video, it was in a university or something.
But yeah, sure why not give Day9 a chance if he's up to it. More SC2 exposure is always a good thing.
No it wasn't a TED talk, Google invited them down to their campus for a more informal talk on SC2. TED is a whole order of magnitude bigger and in depth than what HD and Painuser did.
On August 02 2011 22:09 EG.lectR wrote: Nothing against Sean here, but he's not equipped to speak on e-sports. A TED talk on the evolution of StarCraft is not worthy enough for a TED talk.
One would want to speak on the transition society is experiencing from traditional sports to electronic sports. Show the trends. Show the current status. Please don't misinterpret this, but Day[9] is not well-versed enough in e-sports as a whole to speak on this subject. Ask him what he thinks about a Justin Wong, the rise in the Japanese arcade culture, the introduction to competitive gaming by John Romero and John Carmack, and I'm quite sure he would not know where to begin because he simply does not have that experience.
Additionally, Day[9] is riding waves set by other people within the industry. He has done a great deal for StarCraft II, but he's not a decision-maker behind e-sports. This is not to fault Sean, but to merely point out where his limitations are in relation to e-sports.
Sounds like you're the all knowing e-sport prophet and historian, maybe we should nominate you? Day9 riding waves? Seriously? I've been in "e-sports" since the Quake III, CS 1.3, BW days and I can easily say Day9 contributed a ton to the growth of SC2 without riding any sort of a wave. I have more than a few friends who didn't play RTSs at all and I was able to introduce them to the game through the dailies. How many people through your own merits and hard work were you able to attract to this game, because I'm undoubtedly sure it's less than day9. Also I like you how you throw out assumptions that he doesn't know about anything else other than SC2. Sounds like someone is jelly and is riding in day9s wave.
I think you've misinterpreted my tone and taken it quite personally. I'd love to talk to you about this in real-time if you'd like (shoot me a PM). I also don't think you would want to compare my own work with Day[9]'s as we deal with entirely separate areas and that would be unfair to both of us.
I'm simply saying that TED talks are aimed at making sense of a new technology or trend and its broad effects. Will StarCraft 2 be here in 10 years or will e-sports as a whole? Is it StarCraft II or is it live streaming that's responsible for the success we're seeing in e-sports? Has society's acceptance of online social interaction been the catalyst to the acceptance of SC2? These are all questions one would have to address before actually claiming SC2 is this unparalleled gateway to glorious gaming days.
I would think it would be better to address e-sports, an extremely foreign concept to average people, rather than attempt to explain one PC game that is only a portion of a larger concept that's already misunderstood. Before you can understand quantum physics, you need to understand physics (don't grill me you physics majors!).
I've seen numerous TED talks that were primarily anecdotal accounts of various important events in the speaker's life; Daily #100 alone would function as an amazing story to really drive in the point of why eSports matter.
Frankly, I would be extremely bored to heard a lecture about "ESPORTS" as a monolithic entity because you know what? That would make for an extremely shallow lecture, because how could you do justice to the entirety of "ESPORTS" in a 20 minute talk? Talking in depth about his experience with one particular game would be fine.
If Kobe Bryant were to give a TED talk about the NBA, or even his personal experience playing basketball, it seems like someone analogous to you would protest "But does Kobe know about international basketball culture? Does he know the ins-and-outs of the financials behind the NBA? He's riding the wave of players that came before him, like Michael Jordan!" Even if all of those are true-- so what? Those aren't reasons he wouldn't give an amazing lecture, those are reasons he wouldn't give the perfect lecture.
Day[9] is not only one of the most decorated American progamers of the BW era, he's a community icon and commentator, an ambassador both for SC2 and eSports. If he wants the gig, I can't think of anyone more qualified, articulate, accessible to "casuals," beloved, and influential. I will submit a nomination also.
Absolutely not. The topic of 'eSports' isn't TED material. Let's not downgrade the quality of TED talks with this nonsense.
At most, it'll be a "raising awareness" talk of this phenomenon we know as eSports... Maybe it'll work when there's actual substance and parallels to talk about.
On August 02 2011 23:17 Oracle wrote: Absolutely not. The topic of 'eSports' isn't TED material. Let's not downgrade the quality of TED talks with this nonsense.
At most, it'll be a "raising awareness" talk of this phenomenon we know as eSports... Maybe it'll work when there's actual substance and parallels to talk about.
I somewhat agree, although I do think that gaming in general and the culture around it does deserve more of a spotlight in TED, I'd rather have the Extra Credits guys give the talk.
On August 02 2011 23:17 Oracle wrote: Absolutely not. The topic of 'eSports' isn't TED material. Let's not downgrade the quality of TED talks with this nonsense.
At most, it'll be a "raising awareness" talk of this phenomenon we know as eSports... Maybe it'll work when there's actual substance and parallels to talk about.
moot was on TED talk with 4chan. The topic was anonomity of the internet, but basically he talked about 4chan and memes.
On August 02 2011 23:22 POiNTx wrote: I filled in everything except his email and telephone number. What did you guys fill in there because I can't send it without it.
Personally, I do think Day[9] is probably smart enough and has enough clout to get information he doesn't know to fill out a talk if he needed to. And for those who think it wouldn't be worthy of a TED talk, read what TED stands for. That is the essence of what makes e-sports different from traditional sports. It's both dependent on and distributed by new technology; it's all about entertainment; and the presentation format (e.g. design) is changing all the time.
Mind you, Day[9] may not be the best person to speak on this. It may be better for someone from Justin.tv or youtube's new live services to be the speaker on this, but it could still be good from the content-provider's perspective.
The decision of whether an sc/sc2/esports speech is "TED-worth" isn't up to us. It's up to the people reading nominations. I for one would definitely watch a day9 TED talk, and that's really all that matters for me.
On August 02 2011 23:22 POiNTx wrote: I filled in everything except his email and telephone number. What did you guys fill in there because I can't send it without it.
press@day9.tv
and put N/A in phone
Thanks for this.
Day9, if you read this and don't want to speak there, no pressure. But I think the idea is fantastic!
On August 02 2011 23:17 Oracle wrote: Absolutely not. The topic of 'eSports' isn't TED material. Let's not downgrade the quality of TED talks with this nonsense.
At most, it'll be a "raising awareness" talk of this phenomenon we know as eSports... Maybe it'll work when there's actual substance and parallels to talk about.
moot was on TED talk with 4chan. The topic was anonomity of the internet, but basically he talked about 4chan and memes.
So eSports isn't better than 4chan and memes?
People have been on TED to sing, talk about juggling, an all sorts of other things. The whole purpose of TED is to spread interesting ideas and talk about topics that most people don't really think about on their own. ESPORTS is a perfect fit, especially if you can frame it in the correct light.
On August 02 2011 21:34 TheSubtleArt wrote: It was would be awesome, but has day9 himself shown any interest in this?
Yeah, somebody should go ask him. I'm not sure if SC2 really fits into the TED style of conferences, although Day[9] would be a great speaker to present SC2 to non-gamers.
What are you talking about? TED has had the founder of Reddit and all kinds of influential people on.
Spotlight this thread on the front page please! I think it's a wonderful idea. Day[9] is one of those gamers who have solid scientific background, and he was one of the pioneers of popularizing the scientific approach to Starcraft - which is the perfect game for this. What that includes is: fostering ingenuity and encouraging constant experimenting instead of following the well known paths, and then treating the 1v1 as an objective experimental environment. That's done by setting definite numerical frameworks for measuring one's progress towards a certain experimental goal. In addition, he explains psychological features, such as gaming anxiety and rage, by their chemical and evolutionary reasons, in order to train the optimal ways to overcome them. And the list goes on, he has really contributed so much to turning Starcraft into science (recently even popularizing it among teams from the major software engineering companies with The After Hours Gaming League), that he would be the perfect ambassador to present on TED. Hope he likes the idea too, and let's make it happen!
P.S. By the way, TED is not solely science-oriented, it includes arts, personal stories, and has featured numerous talks related to the gaming industry and gaming culture.
I've seen someone talk about how to Properly tie shoes in TED Talks, Im sure Day9 with the way he can casts games, giving a great analysis while also being enthusiastic and covering Play-by-Play we'll a great job if he wants to!
I think this is a terrible idea for the community to be doing this. For starters, multiple votes don't matter. Also, do we even know if Sean wants to do this? I'd say if he does, have HIM nominate himself.
I havent watched every single TED talk ever made, but from the ones that I've had to watch in school (around a dozen-ish) most speakers usually have more profound ideas to share to the world, shit that might actually help humanity survive the next hundred years. eSports is awesome and all, but I dont really find it TED talk worthy unless there is some underlining fundamentals about playing Starcraft that I dont know about.
I recall watching one of my favorite TED talks about WoW and how the fundamentals of the game and it's social fabric can lead to gamers becoming more productive people in society then anyone else. When I used to play WoW, stuff like that used to linger in my head and Im glad there was someone there to say it in words. Having played Starcraft, I can't imagine there to be much to talk about. If anything it'll seem like a copy of that same talk.
On August 02 2011 21:54 Icx wrote: It would be amazing, especially on TED, and I don't know a person that would be better suited to this then day9.
But I do have to ask, does he actually want to do this, or has he shown any interest in this himself? If yes, then i'll gladly vote. If no, you might want to consult day9 first instead of just putting him up there.
Do you know anything about Day9? I imagine he would jump at this opportunity, promoting BW and SC2 is just what he does to anyone who listens.
Also, though Cameron may not be a good leader, he is never the less, a leader.
First off, Day9, so far as I can tell, hasn't expressed any interest in doing it. This seems pretty critical since he's the one that would need to prepare a presentation for a global audience that is entirely unlike the audience he's used to.
Even more to the point, I can't imagine how Starcraft 2 could be a relevant topic to TED. Typical ideas being discussed are new methods of locomotion, new information technologies, cures for all sorts of diseases. Starcraft 2 and esports aren't new by any stretch of the imagination and it doesn't belong at TED. TED isn't for commercial promotion of a product.
If Day9 came forward saying that he had something he wanted to talk about at TED I would support him, but until then wtf are you guys doing? This is completely wrong.
In the comments someone wrote up a standard response to all the questions. I already filled out my nomination form.
TED is about big ideas, but some of the talks are more just for fun, and the growth of Esports is a fun and informative topic that should be talked about. Esports especially Starcraft 2 is one of the most international sporting events and that is something that is changing the world.
I love what day9 did I also love TED talks and really enjoy them
But combining them both? I really think, there is no use here.
TED is all about informing the world about some things, they might have overseen.
Placing an Act about sc2 there, would be the same, like presenting some other new sports out there. Really don't see, what people should get excited about, if they are not interessted in competetive games in the first place.
TED is about big ideas, but some of the talks are more just for fun, and the growth of Esports is a fun and informative topic that should be talked about..
Would you "love" to see some exciting TED talk about football, golf or poker? They all are widely known, they all have their fans and they are all no big new ideas.
The only thing that came to my mind after thinking really hard here, would be some social gaming driven talk, that points out some facts on the sc2 community. But to be honest, those facts and the whole talk about fast growing social networks within games, should be really impressive and eye opening. And they should fill 15 minutes
Everyone who says that SC2 isn't a worthy TED topic either doesn't take E-SPORTS seriously or has never watched any TED presentations. E-SPORTS is not only worthy of a TED but to me is a lot more worthy than quite a few other ones that have been done.
That being said I think that if Sean wanted to do this he'd put in a nomination himself, because it would definetly be an amazing presentation if he put his heart and time into it, but I wouldn't want him to just do a makeshift presentation due to being nominated while not prepared.
When I turned off the daily yesterday I wondered if I should make a video containing parts of this daily and open a thread with the title "this is why I stopped watching day9", but I guess it's pointless anyway, because everyone seems to like the endless crying-like shouting for about anything that happens. Just sayin'. He probably wouldn't do that for this TED thing, hopefully.
TED is about big ideas, but some of the talks are more just for fun, and the growth of Esports is a fun and informative topic that should be talked about..
Would you "love" to see some exciting TED talk about football, golf or poker? They all are widely known, they all have their fans and they are all no big new ideas.
The only thing that came to my mind after thinking really hard here, would be some social gaming driven talk, that points out some facts on the sc2 community. But to be honest, those facts and the whole talk about fast growing social networks within games, should be really impressive and eye opening. And they should fill 15 minutes
Well yeah but those sports are already well known by most people. If there is some kind of sport that very few know of I would love to hear about it.
On August 03 2011 01:24 FeiLing wrote: When I turned off the daily yesterday I wondered if I should make a video containing parts of this daily and open a thread with the title "this is why I stopped watching day9", but I guess it's pointless anyway, because everyone seems to like the endless crying-like shouting for about anything that happens. Just sayin'. He probably wouldn't do that for this TED thing, hopefully.
Its funday monday, the whole point is to be goofy. Get over it, its his most popular daily of the week.
On August 03 2011 01:03 Bear4188 wrote: This seems completely inappropriate.
First off, Day9, so far as I can tell, hasn't expressed any interest in doing it. This seems pretty critical since he's the one that would need to prepare a presentation for a global audience that is entirely unlike the audience he's used to.
Even more to the point, I can't imagine how Starcraft 2 could be a relevant topic to TED. Typical ideas being discussed are new methods of locomotion, new information technologies, cures for all sorts of diseases. Starcraft 2 and esports aren't new by any stretch of the imagination and it doesn't belong at TED. TED isn't for commercial promotion of a product.
If Day9 came forward saying that he had something he wanted to talk about at TED I would support him, but until then wtf are you guys doing? This is completely wrong.
You're talking like we're putting some kind of burden on Day9. I'm sure if TED asked him he would be glad to do it, but if not he would still have the chance to refuse.
Esports might not be as important as curing cancer or stopping global warming but it's still and interesting topic with a strong connection to technology. After all streaming is probably the number one driver behind all the community organized tournaments. There's also the topic of changing social status of gaming and competitve gaming plus a bunch of other issues that are at least somewhat connected to the "big questions" TED talks usually deal with.
So yes, I agree that there's no point on doing a TED talk on SC2 itself, but I think there's place for a TED talk on Esports, its connection to new technologies and its possible future. And Day9 is probably one of the best person to pull it off, given that he's a great public speaker (eHarmony talk, anyone?) and thought about these issues from more than one perspective.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
No lie. This topic was brought up last year and I still don't know what Day9 would talk about. Beyond 'give Starcraft more attention' I am not sure what there is to say. Anyone wanting Day9 to speak needs to go watch some of the TED talks to understand what the event is about.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
I have to agree. I actually want to attend TED one day. It costs ridiculous amounts of money, and I would be very unhappy to pony up the money (or be funded by a company or whatnot) to find out that someone like Day9 is speaking...
On August 03 2011 01:03 Bear4188 wrote: This seems completely inappropriate.
First off, Day9, so far as I can tell, hasn't expressed any interest in doing it. This seems pretty critical since he's the one that would need to prepare a presentation for a global audience that is entirely unlike the audience he's used to.
Even more to the point, I can't imagine how Starcraft 2 could be a relevant topic to TED. Typical ideas being discussed are new methods of locomotion, new information technologies, cures for all sorts of diseases. Starcraft 2 and esports aren't new by any stretch of the imagination and it doesn't belong at TED. TED isn't for commercial promotion of a product.
If Day9 came forward saying that he had something he wanted to talk about at TED I would support him, but until then wtf are you guys doing? This is completely wrong.
You're talking like we're putting some kind of burden on Day9. I'm sure if TED asked him he would be glad to do it, but if not he would still have the chance to refuse.
Esports might not be as important as curing cancer or stopping global warming but it's still and interesting topic with a strong connection to technology. After all streaming is probably the number one driver behind all the community organized tournaments. There's also the topic of changing social status of gaming and competitve gaming plus a bunch of other issues that are at least somewhat connected to the "big questions" TED talks usually deal with.
So yes, I agree that there's no point on doing a TED talk on SC2 itself, but I think there's place for a TED talk on Esports, its connection to new technologies and its possible future. And Day9 is probably one of the best person to pull it off, given that he's a great public speaker (eHarmony talk, anyone?) and thought about these issues from more than one perspective.
I can be generous and agree that there is probably a good lecture to be had from esports. And I know that Day9 is capable of researching, writing and presenting (though perhaps he does not have the time) and that he has the passion to fuel the effort. But it's ridiculous to make plans based on the faith that a ripe topic and a capable person will yield a worthwhile result. If that is truly the state of things, then the result will certainly come, and we can nominate the creator and promote his or her work when it exists.
And if I'm not being generous, then I'm thinking that too much of it will be promotional bullshit.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
Certainly it's more sophisticated than 4Chan which has been featured on TED, don't you agree?
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
I have to agree. I actually want to attend TED one day. It costs ridiculous amounts of money, and I would be very unhappy to pony up the money (or be funded by a company or whatnot) to find out that someone like Day9 is speaking...
some1 like day9 is speaking? day9 is a funny guy but that doesnt mean thats the way he is every second of everday. he went to college and is very smart and he did such a good job on his manifesto (http://day9.tv/manifesto/) that i think he can do even better for somthing like this
On August 02 2011 23:27 Saishuuheiki wrote:It may be better for someone from Justin.tv or youtube's new live services to be the speaker on this, but it could still be good from the content-provider's perspective.
I can actually agree with this - I'd love to hear about Justin.tv. Or even from a speaker who can talk about the social interactions with MMO's (although I have never played an MMO myself) and how it affects the world and connects people. An RTS, while the only type of game I've ever played, does not seem an appropriate topic for TED. And while Day9 helped me a lot when I first picked up SC2, I don't think he would be a good speaker for the conference.
On August 03 2011 01:18 PopcornColonel wrote: EDIT: the email is business@day9.tv or press@day9.tv
I realize he doesn't give out his phone number, so I just put N/A.
Did the same. Yes, multiple votes don't count, doesn't matter, by sending the nominations, we may add different perspectives / reasons for why he should be nominated. I'd love if he agrees - but it's up to him, and a nominee doesn't have to have agreed beforehand, in order for someone else to nominate them. It's a suggestion. If TED approaches Day[9], he would still have the choice to decline the offer, of course.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
But competitive gaming has been floating around for years and years. It has only recently taken root outside of Korea and the growth rate is remarkable. I think it would be very interesting to hear from Day[9] what he thinks triggered the sudden growth. And how he has helped foster the growth.
We know that SC:BW in Korea grew popular because of the culture, PC Baangs, and Boxer. But what is causing the amazing popularity of SC2 outside of Korea?
There is a lot he could talk about YouTube and the history of commentating, streaming and the Day[9] Daily, and live-streamed tournaments, all of which weren't popularized until around the launch of SC2.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
I have to agree. I actually want to attend TED one day. It costs ridiculous amounts of money, and I would be very unhappy to pony up the money (or be funded by a company or whatnot) to find out that someone like Day9 is speaking...
some1 like day9 is speaking? day9 is a funny guy but that doesnt mean thats the way he is every second of everday. he went to college and is very smart and he did such a good job on his manifesto (http://day9.tv/manifesto/) that i think he can do even better for somthing like this
Sorry - I didn't mean his character. I meant to find out that Day9 or someone similar is talking about E-Sports or SC2 or BW...
most of the other people there try to fight hunger, work for peace , improve science and philosophy
and you think day9 should be nr.1? a guy that cast video games? The most important thing we work on in our lives: improve in a video game. would be a great day for esport, and a sad day for mankind...
I think a lot of people here may be missing the point. I dont think Day would go up and talk strats. I think he would talk about the community and the way esports has changed peoples lives, including his. And about how people can take this game at more than face value and turn it into something incredible
Hmm. I really think esports does need an iconic speech or event that is concise where Esports is explained to the masses. I think that there are so many people in the world who just blatantly haven't even heard or even thought something like this would exist... I don't know if TED is the right platform or not but I think if this were to happen it would be amazing
On August 03 2011 01:41 skeldark wrote: most of the other people there try to fight hunger, work for peace , improve science and philosophy
and you think day9 should be nr.1? a guy that cast video games? The most important thing we work on in our lives: improve in a video game. would be a great day for esport, and a sad day for mankind...
Exactly.
TED would help boost E-Sports, but that's not the purpose of TED. TED doing a talk on Badminton would be great for Badminton, but that's not the purpose of TED.
The fact is people attend TED for a reason. It costs a large amount of money to go. People there actually care about the quality of our education, the future of our society, etc. Someone has to convince me how E-Sports fits TED's audience, not how TED would be great to promote SC2.
On August 03 2011 01:42 Zeri wrote: Hmm. I really think esports does need an iconic speech or event that is concise where Esports is explained to the masses.
And that's not the purpose of TED. That's the position most people are taking here but it is the wrong one. It's essentially "let's use TED to boost E-Sports" rather than "how does E-Sports talk benefit the TED audience?"
On August 03 2011 01:41 skeldark wrote: most of the other people there try to fight hunger, work for peace , improve science and philosophy
and you think day9 should be nr.1? a guy that cast video games? The most important thing we work on in our lives: improve in a video game. would be a great day for esport, and a sad day for mankind...
There's a wide range of people there. Will Wright talked about his game Spore when that was in development at one point. Ultimately it just depends on if it's a topic people want to hear about.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
Certainly it's more sophisticated than 4Chan which has been featured on TED, don't you agree?
I don't care about TED's standards. I have my own standards.
If some ignorant guy went to some shitty conference and did a horrible presentation about SC2 as an esport, everyone would agree that it's embarrassing and bad for the world that he did that. Of course, TED and Day9 wouldn't be that bad, but I went to an extreme just to demonstrate the concept.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
Certainly it's more sophisticated than 4Chan which has been featured on TED, don't you agree?
Moot talked about people on the internet having a persistent online identity and the role an anonymous image board had to play in our new world. While 4chan itself is a shithole, the topic Moot spoke to is very socially relevant.
On August 03 2011 01:35 KWest wrote: Nominate him for a game developer conference, not TED.
Yes. Having a lecture on a non-revolutionary computer game that does not have applications beyond entertainment just reeks of commercialism. I know that whenever teamliquid makes anouncements about new sponsorships or happenings in the world of e-sports, nearly every poster mindlessly applauds or says something like "I'm going to drink Pepsi from now on". People have got to calm down and think, does talking about starcraft 2 on TED makes sense?
On August 03 2011 01:03 Bear4188 wrote: This seems completely inappropriate.
First off, Day9, so far as I can tell, hasn't expressed any interest in doing it. This seems pretty critical since he's the one that would need to prepare a presentation for a global audience that is entirely unlike the audience he's used to.
Even more to the point, I can't imagine how Starcraft 2 could be a relevant topic to TED. Typical ideas being discussed are new methods of locomotion, new information technologies, cures for all sorts of diseases. Starcraft 2 and esports aren't new by any stretch of the imagination and it doesn't belong at TED. TED isn't for commercial promotion of a product.
If Day9 came forward saying that he had something he wanted to talk about at TED I would support him, but until then wtf are you guys doing? This is completely wrong.
You're talking like we're putting some kind of burden on Day9. I'm sure if TED asked him he would be glad to do it, but if not he would still have the chance to refuse.
Esports might not be as important as curing cancer or stopping global warming but it's still and interesting topic with a strong connection to technology. After all streaming is probably the number one driver behind all the community organized tournaments. There's also the topic of changing social status of gaming and competitve gaming plus a bunch of other issues that are at least somewhat connected to the "big questions" TED talks usually deal with.
So yes, I agree that there's no point on doing a TED talk on SC2 itself, but I think there's place for a TED talk on Esports, its connection to new technologies and its possible future. And Day9 is probably one of the best person to pull it off, given that he's a great public speaker (eHarmony talk, anyone?) and thought about these issues from more than one perspective.
I can be generous and agree that there is probably a good lecture to be had from esports. And I know that Day9 is capable of researching, writing and presenting (though perhaps he does not have the time) and that he has the passion to fuel the effort. But it's ridiculous to make plans based on the faith that a ripe topic and a capable person will yield a worthwhile result. If that is truly the state of things, then the result will certainly come, and we can nominate the creator and promote his or her work when it exists.
And if I'm not being generous, then I'm thinking that too much of it will be promotional bullshit.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
Certainly it's more sophisticated than 4Chan which has been featured on TED, don't you agree?
I don't care about TED's standards. I have my own standards.
If some ignorant guy went to some shitty conference and did a horrible presentation about SC2 as an esport, everyone would agree that it's embarrassing and bad for the world that he did that. Of course, TED and Day9 wouldn't be that bad, but I went to an extreme just to demonstrate the concept.
I think... TED has pretty high standards actually and that they are pretty good ad judging what is worth having on the show.
I don't understand your example in relation to TED or even how it motivates Day[9] not attending since you given an example that cannot happen or even relate to this event...?
I don't see anything wrong with this. TED certainly isn't restricted to humanitarian causes, and I think Day9 could give an interesting presentation about the growth of esports in both a cultural and a business context. That being said, he or someone else would have to do some sociological research to make it more relevant. Having someone talk about his history as a gamer sounds like part of a presentation, but there should be some statistics/research to go along with that (how big is the industry, sponsorship figures, rate of growth, demographics, etc.)
On August 03 2011 01:52 HotS wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAFcV7zuUDA I really dont think SC2 isent serios enough just watch the link=) Achally after seeing the clip i demand Day9 on TED.
That's a small tidbit of a conference.
Everyone keeps saying "well SC2 beats 4chan" or some other crap. Can someone actually explain how SC2 would benefit the TED community?
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
Certainly it's more sophisticated than 4Chan which has been featured on TED, don't you agree?
I don't care about TED's standards. I have my own standards.
If some ignorant guy went to some shitty conference and did a horrible presentation about SC2 as an esport, everyone would agree that it's embarrassing and bad for the world that he did that. Of course, TED and Day9 wouldn't be that bad, but I went to an extreme just to demonstrate the concept.
I think... TED has pretty high standards actually and that they are pretty good ad judging what is worth having on the show.
I don't understand your example in relation to TED or even how it motivates Day[9] not attending since you given an example that cannot happen or even relate to this event...?
I'm sorry to hear that you don't understand my point.
Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
Why are people constantly saying that "HURR THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN TED TALKS ITS NOT A PROMINENT ISSUE HURR DURR"? Are you guys serious? Do you not know what TED talks are about?
TED talks don't just pertain to curing diseases and new technology, but also the interests of people around the world and new social phenomenons. E-sports would very easily fit into TED talks as it's a huge developing culture. Please don't try and tell me that juggling (WHICH HAS BEEN A TED TALK) or how to tie your shoe (another ted talk) as well as a million other simply interesting topics belong in TED while E-sports does not.
On August 03 2011 01:03 Bear4188 wrote: This seems completely inappropriate.
First off, Day9, so far as I can tell, hasn't expressed any interest in doing it. This seems pretty critical since he's the one that would need to prepare a presentation for a global audience that is entirely unlike the audience he's used to.
Even more to the point, I can't imagine how Starcraft 2 could be a relevant topic to TED. Typical ideas being discussed are new methods of locomotion, new information technologies, cures for all sorts of diseases. Starcraft 2 and esports aren't new by any stretch of the imagination and it doesn't belong at TED. TED isn't for commercial promotion of a product.
If Day9 came forward saying that he had something he wanted to talk about at TED I would support him, but until then wtf are you guys doing? This is completely wrong.
You're talking like we're putting some kind of burden on Day9. I'm sure if TED asked him he would be glad to do it, but if not he would still have the chance to refuse.
Esports might not be as important as curing cancer or stopping global warming but it's still and interesting topic with a strong connection to technology. After all streaming is probably the number one driver behind all the community organized tournaments. There's also the topic of changing social status of gaming and competitve gaming plus a bunch of other issues that are at least somewhat connected to the "big questions" TED talks usually deal with.
So yes, I agree that there's no point on doing a TED talk on SC2 itself, but I think there's place for a TED talk on Esports, its connection to new technologies and its possible future. And Day9 is probably one of the best person to pull it off, given that he's a great public speaker (eHarmony talk, anyone?) and thought about these issues from more than one perspective.
I can be generous and agree that there is probably a good lecture to be had from esports. And I know that Day9 is capable of researching, writing and presenting (though perhaps he does not have the time) and that he has the passion to fuel the effort. But it's ridiculous to make plans based on the faith that a ripe topic and a capable person will yield a worthwhile result. If that is truly the state of things, then the result will certainly come, and we can nominate the creator and promote his or her work when it exists.
And if I'm not being generous, then I'm thinking that too much of it will be promotional bullshit.
I guess it does come down to Day9. If he thinks he has something important to say to a wider audiance he'll find a way to ask for community support.
FWIW, I think almost any topic could be turned into a TED talk if the speaker is good enough and actually has something to say. Someone mentioned golf, football and poker. Poker is a fascinating topic although perhaps a bit controversial for TED's usually upbeat attitude. And there's a lot to be said about the role of competitive sports in education, although football or golf would not be my first choice. Ken Robinson actually touched on this in his Element talk when he said that when kids find something they really enjoy their academic performance increases across the board
I watched a TED where it was just Adam Savage (of Mythbusters fame) talking about his obsession with collecting and making Maltese Falcon replicas. There's definitely different levels of TED presentations, content wise.
I don't understand those of you who think that this would not be appropriate for TED.
Read this if you haven't already: http://day9.tv/manifesto/ Day[9]'s explanation of eSports is exactly the type of insight that gets shared at TED all the time.
I think some people are posting without exactly knowing what the TED organization is about, so I copied and pasted this from their website (I bolded a few important bits, for those of you who subscribe to TL;DR):
TED is a nonprofit devoted to Ideas Worth Spreading. It started out (in 1984) as a conference bringing together people from three worlds: Technology, Entertainment, Design. Since then its scope has become ever broader. Along with two annual conferences -- the TED Conference in Long Beach and Palm Springs each spring, and the TEDGlobal conference in Edinburgh UK each summer -- TED includes the award-winning TEDTalks video site, the Open Translation Project and TED Conversations, the inspiring TED Fellows and TEDx programs, and the annual TED Prize.
The annual TED conferences, in Long Beach/Palm Springs and Edinburgh, bring together the world's most fascinating thinkers and doers, who are challenged to give the talk of their lives (in 18 minutes or less).
On TED.com, we make the best talks and performances from TED and partners available to the world, for free. More than 900 TEDTalks are now available, with more added each week. All of the talks are subtitled in English, and many are subtitled in various languages. These videos are released under a Creative Commons BY-NC-ND license, so they can be freely shared and reposted.
Our mission: Spreading ideas.
We believe passionately in the power of ideas to change attitudes, lives and ultimately, the world. So we're building here a clearinghouse that offers free knowledge and inspiration from the world's most inspired thinkers, and also a community of curious souls to engage with ideas and each other. This site, launched April 2007, is an ever-evolving work in progress, and you're an important part of it. Have an idea? We want to hear from you.
So, from the above literature, knowing of TED talks regarding tying shoes, being just crazy enough, psychology, theoretical physics, modern art, and the notion of personal expression in new media, I'm am absolutely sure that the growth and cultural effects of E-Sports is a worthy topic, and Day [9] is a worthier speaker.
On August 03 2011 02:07 SourCheeks wrote: I don't understand those of you who think that this would not be appropriate for TED.
Read this if you haven't already: http://day9.tv/manifesto/ Day[9]'s explanation of eSports is exactly the type of insight that gets shared at TED all the time.
Jane McGonigal looks at gaming as a huge potential human resource rather than simply human entertainment.
It's people who has no idea about what TED is that is complaining. I mean they even had people explaining about how to tie their shoes in the correct way lol.
Yeah, if nothing else, he could always talk about the impact of eSports on society. Kids leaving school to become aspiring progamers, etc. He could talk about how it can be worth it, and essentially help people understand it beyond just people "playing a game for money", because there's obviously more to it than that which a lot of people don't understand.
Just to name a few things that are socially relevant.
I believe it's an interesting idea to have esports in some fashion presented at TED and Day9 is qualified as any to be a presenter, but there are two things wrong with the original idea. First, Day9 has shown no interest in this as of yet. I personally think with the right material Day9 would like the idea of a presentation at TED due to his own efforts to branch out SC2 with things like the AHGL. It just might not be in the cards for him to do it himself (I imagine his schedule is already pretty hectic.)
Now the second part I'm worried about is exactly what the OP would have as the subject of the presentation. "Present our beloved game on stage for millions of non-gamers around the world to see" does not seem like a topic that would best suit a TED presentation. The impressive part about SC2 and other esports (EVO had some impressive numbers this weekend as well) is the massive boom that is going on right now. So I feel the best presentation would include how and why this is able to happen right now and most importantly why it can be sustained. I feel this is where the high access to streaming technology/infrastructure really plays a massive role. djWheat has brought up this point and gone on to mention how streaming is such a better medium than TV for esports. A presentation focusing on this while using SC2 as an example would make a very interesting topic for a forum like TED.
On August 03 2011 02:07 SourCheeks wrote: I don't understand those of you who think that this would not be appropriate for TED.
Read this if you haven't already: http://day9.tv/manifesto/ Day[9]'s explanation of eSports is exactly the type of insight that gets shared at TED all the time.
Jane McGonigal looks at gaming as a huge potential human resource rather than simply human entertainment.
It's people who has no idea about what TED is that is complaining. I mean they even had people explaining about how to tie their shoes in the correct way lol.
Umm, I've always wanted to attend TED, I know a few people who have, and I somewhat regularly watch the videos posted. I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of what TED is about.
And I do not want SC2 anywhere near TED. Maybe Online Gaming and global interactivity, but not anything about SC2. And if it was about Online Gaming/Interactivity, Day9 would not be the appropriate presenter.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
I don't think presenting competitive gaming as a medium of entertainment is demeaning. After all, isn't basketball, football, soccer all also entertainment as well? I'm rather saying that we should present the community of esports, how it's growing, and for what uses it can be employed for economically and socially. If you're offended by us coining what is your livelihood as "entertainment", I definitely do understand your sentiments. However, to present it to most people who have no esports connection what so ever, it does require us to present it as a game first.
Progamers are an important part of the discussion, but I think it's important to note that most people do indeed see it as leisurely entertainment foremost.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote: Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate.
I think that someone can muster up enough ESPORTS bullshit to meet TED's standards. But that would very probably be selfish promotion of our industry, advertisement via conference. In that case, I personally wouldn't nominate and support. But if you believe "can implies ought" then I suppose you would support it.
I think people are overthinking this. All we have to do is submit a nomination. It's up to Day9 whether he accepts it and does something with it, and up to TED whether they want to hear about it. There's nothing to lose by submitting the nomination.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote: Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate.
I think that someone can muster up enough ESPORTS bullshit to meet TED's standards. But that would very probably be selfish promotion of our industry, advertisement via conference. In that case, I personally wouldn't nominate and support. But if you believe "can implies ought" then I suppose you would support it.
You can't deny that the majority of the world sees eSports as something strange. They don't see it on the same level as other competition. The point you're making, that there's nothing unique or strange about it, is exactly the point that's worth sharing.
On August 03 2011 01:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think this is a really silly idea. Competitive gaming as entertainment is a very simple remix of ideas that deserves no special attention at all.
Certainly it's more sophisticated than 4Chan which has been featured on TED, don't you agree?
I don't care about TED's standards. I have my own standards.
If some ignorant guy went to some shitty conference and did a horrible presentation about SC2 as an esport, everyone would agree that it's embarrassing and bad for the world that he did that. Of course, TED and Day9 wouldn't be that bad, but I went to an extreme just to demonstrate the concept.
I don't understand what concept your trying to demonstrate here. If someone did a bad Ted talk, that would likely be bad for the topic he was speaking on, is what I think your trying to say. But demonstrating that isn't particularly relevant to if Day9 should do a Ted talk, unless you think he would do a bad job.
What I'm not sure of, is what exactly he would talk about? If you want to talk about the history of e-sports, maybe someone like DjWheat would be better. Perhaps it would be enlightening to look at how the Koreans treat E-Sports, as compared to the rest of the world, but then it would be better to get Artosis or Tasteless in on it.
Edit: Tyler, you can ignore the first paragraph, your most recent post explains it.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote: Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate.
I think that someone can muster up enough ESPORTS bullshit to meet TED's standards. But that would very probably be selfish promotion of our industry, advertisement via conference. In that case, I personally wouldn't nominate and support. But if you believe "can implies ought" then I suppose you would support it.
I personally think the growth of Esports is fascinating, especially in the foreigner scene outside of Korea. The lessons that can be taught from SC2 such as economy management, risk vs reward, preparation for the unknown, micromanagement in intense situations, and understanding an opponent's mentality and your own are just some things that I feel are more that worthy of presenting. All this from simply what most people would consider "just a game". The whole point of this is to show SC2 to a broader audience, I simply felt Day9 seemed to be one of the more suitable persons in the community to nominate.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Skwid1g wrote: Why are people constantly saying that "HURR THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN TED TALKS ITS NOT A PROMINENT ISSUE HURR DURR"? Are you guys serious? Do you not know what TED talks are about?
TED talks don't just pertain to curing diseases and new technology, but also the interests of people around the world and new social phenomenons. E-sports would very easily fit into TED talks as it's a huge developing culture. Please don't try and tell me that juggling (WHICH HAS BEEN A TED TALK) or how to tie your shoe (another ted talk) as well as a million other simply interesting topics belong in TED while E-sports does not.
There's a popular misconception about TED talks. I think what you can gather from the people who are under the impression that TED is limited to important and interesting ideas is that they only care about important and interesting ideas. The fact that beloved TED is filled with a bunch of bullshit is reason to not indulge in TED if it means we're going to be among the bullshit and not among the good stuff.
Like I said about standards, I don't care about TED's. Just because something can be a TED talk, doesn't mean that it should be. I think a lot of those talks are a waste of everyone's time. If a really good presentation can be created, then I agree with the OP that TED would be a great place to do it. But that is different than saying that if we're good enough to get on TED, then we should do it. We can set our own standard.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote: Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
...It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate....
Tyler: here is a academical paper by: Michael G. Wagner of the Department for Interactive Media and Educational TechnologyDanube University Krems named On the Scientific Relevance of eSports. Download link can be found below:
Now I would like you to download it, read it and then disprove him wrong that Esports truly is not a concept worth learning about and then post back here.
EDIT: please email the author of this paper as well, I'm sure he would like to know what amazing things you discovered that made his research wrong about what Esports can teach us.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Skwid1g wrote: Why are people constantly saying that "HURR THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN TED TALKS ITS NOT A PROMINENT ISSUE HURR DURR"? Are you guys serious? Do you not know what TED talks are about?
TED talks don't just pertain to curing diseases and new technology, but also the interests of people around the world and new social phenomenons. E-sports would very easily fit into TED talks as it's a huge developing culture. Please don't try and tell me that juggling (WHICH HAS BEEN A TED TALK) or how to tie your shoe (another ted talk) as well as a million other simply interesting topics belong in TED while E-sports does not.
There's a popular misconception about TED talks. I think what you can gather from the people who are under the impression that TED is limited to important and interesting ideas is that they only care about important and interesting ideas. The fact that beloved TED is filled with a bunch of bullshit is reason to not indulge in TED if it means we're going to be among the bullshit and not among the good stuff.
Like I said about standards, I don't care about TED's. Just because something can be a TED talk, doesn't mean that it should be. I think a lot of those talks are a waste of everyone's time. If a really good presentation can be created, then I agree with the OP that TED would be a great place to do it. But that is different than saying that if we're good enough to get on TED, then we should do it. We can set our own standard.
I understand what you're saying. But with the amount of scholars and businessmen that contribute to TL on a regular basis, I think that a solid thesis/presentation about the growth of esports/SC2 could be put together. It would have to be an organized effort though, and we really shouldn't be nominating anyone to deliver a product that hasn't been conceived yet. This thread is jumping the gun a bit, but maybe it will encourage people to start working on something.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Skwid1g wrote: Why are people constantly saying that "HURR THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN TED TALKS ITS NOT A PROMINENT ISSUE HURR DURR"? Are you guys serious? Do you not know what TED talks are about?
TED talks don't just pertain to curing diseases and new technology, but also the interests of people around the world and new social phenomenons. E-sports would very easily fit into TED talks as it's a huge developing culture. Please don't try and tell me that juggling (WHICH HAS BEEN A TED TALK) or how to tie your shoe (another ted talk) as well as a million other simply interesting topics belong in TED while E-sports does not.
There's a popular misconception about TED talks. I think what you can gather from the people who are under the impression that TED is limited to important and interesting ideas is that they only care about important and interesting ideas. The fact that beloved TED is filled with a bunch of bullshit is reason to not indulge in TED if it means we're going to be among the bullshit and not among the good stuff.
Like I said about standards, I don't care about TED's. Just because something can be a TED talk, doesn't mean that it should be. I think a lot of those talks are a waste of everyone's time. If a really good presentation can be created, then I agree with the OP that TED would be a great place to do it. But that is different than saying that if we're good enough to get on TED, then we should do it. We can set our own standard.
I'd argue that persenting 'whatever' through a forum that has so many people watching is part of the process that is 'setting a standard'.
Anyway I get what you're saying and I agree - in this case though it
I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone.
Have to agree with Tyler on this one. People seem to want to just throw Day9 into TED talks just because Day9 is "awesome," confident he'll come up with something worthy for TED. The primary focus seems to be promoting our community, but TED isn't a place for such a thing.
How about we think of an actual idea worthy of sharing, rather than the person presenting it? I think the community is a bit too obsessed with Day9...
On August 03 2011 02:38 cordlc wrote: How about we think of an actual idea worthy of sharing, rather than the person presenting it? I think the community is a bit too obsessed with Day9...
I wouldn't say Day9, but more of an obsession with advertising ESPORTS...and I'm all for advertising it. But TED isn't the place to do it.
On August 03 2011 02:33 samd wrote: I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone.
Ummmmm..... what? I've followed CS for years now, a presentation based on CS/Quake would just be a lesson in history. Its sad to say but there is not a big competitive scene anymore for CS/Quake, but SC2 is still growing and getting bigger. I don't understand how its a slap in the face to CS/Quake players to like SC2 or to think that its the face of E-SPORTS right NOW.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Skwid1g wrote: Why are people constantly saying that "HURR THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN TED TALKS ITS NOT A PROMINENT ISSUE HURR DURR"? Are you guys serious? Do you not know what TED talks are about?
TED talks don't just pertain to curing diseases and new technology, but also the interests of people around the world and new social phenomenons. E-sports would very easily fit into TED talks as it's a huge developing culture. Please don't try and tell me that juggling (WHICH HAS BEEN A TED TALK) or how to tie your shoe (another ted talk) as well as a million other simply interesting topics belong in TED while E-sports does not.
There's a popular misconception about TED talks. I think what you can gather from the people who are under the impression that TED is limited to important and interesting ideas is that they only care about important and interesting ideas. The fact that beloved TED is filled with a bunch of bullshit is reason to not indulge in TED if it means we're going to be among the bullshit and not among the good stuff.
Like I said about standards, I don't care about TED's. Just because something can be a TED talk, doesn't mean that it should be. I think a lot of those talks are a waste of everyone's time. If a really good presentation can be created, then I agree with the OP that TED would be a great place to do it. But that is different than saying that if we're good enough to get on TED, then we should do it. We can set our own standard.
That is a really really good point. If there are ridiculous, unimportant presentations throughout TED, then why would we want sc2/esports to be on the same stage.
The moral of the story is: Don't argue with a philosophy major over TED talks.
In all seriousness though, I think that a presentation could be made, specifically for TED that would fit the basic ideas and patterns that some of the better talks have been. Find a subject worth exploring in some greater detail, lay out it's benefits for the human race, how it should be explored or at least considered in greater depth for more people, write a speech and present it at the conference.
I'm sure that the community alone could aide in putting together twenty minutes of why eSports is good for mankind (apart from being solely a medium of entertainment). Very little outside knowledge would necessarily need to be collected.
Just as a sort of starting place - in case a speech does need to be made in a short time, the Olympics aide in bringing the people of the world together, over competition of a sport, right? But this only happens once every two years. eSports is available all the time. You can go and compete with a foreigner (From your country, not in Starcraft terms) literally at any moment (assuming you own a copy of a foreign SC2). In this facet, it promotes competition, which has been shown to form bonds between people, over large distances. This helps to bridge the gaps between foreign communities, and on some level, cultures.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote: Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
...It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate....
Tyler: here is a academical paper by: Michael G. Wagner of the Department for Interactive Media and Educational TechnologyDanube University Krems named On the Scientific Relevance of eSports. Download link can be found below:
Now I would like you to download it, read it and then disprove him wrong that Esports truly is not a concept worth learning about and then post back here.
EDIT: please email the author of this paper as well, I'm sure he would like to know what amazing things you discovered that made his research wrong about what Esports can teach us.
It's irrelevant due to the different definitions of esports. I refer to esports as the part of the entertainment industry with content related to people playing video games competitively. Wagner lands on this definition: an area of sport activities in which people develop and train mental or physical abilities in the use of information and communication technologies. And if you're not responding particularly to me, but rather still arguing for the OP in general, then I'm not sure how you could think that the TL.net community nominating Day9 to do a talk at TED would have to do with the things in this paper.
And let's be clear that not every academic pursuit is worth learning about. There is a lot of wasted effort in academia with relatively small groups of people justifying things to each other so that they don't feel wasteful and so that they can make money doing what they love. I happen to agree with Wagner but it's not relevant to my post and it's not relevant to Day9 giving a TED talk about esports.
I actually cringe when i see how much of the SC world is on wikipedia, just because there's some stupid gaming wiki initiative and the editors feel like it, while other much much relevant stuff is shut down for "notability" reasons.
On August 03 2011 02:33 samd wrote: I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone.
Unfortunately all those pro quake the CS players came and went without having enough people watching their games to actually be relevant enough for a TED talk.
On August 03 2011 02:33 samd wrote: I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone.
Unfortunately all those pro quake the CS players came and went without having enough people watching their games to actually be relevant enough for a TED talk.
You're trolling right? CS at its peak had about 2-3x the number of viewers that SC2 gets now. Fatal1ty is a multi-millionaire and probably the most recognizable progamer (even including Boxer). Heaton can't walk down the street in Stockholm, or anywhere in China, without being stopped every 10 feet. Its kids like you that JLake referenced in his interview. 16 year olds who think that esports began a year ago. So disrespectful.
I reckon he could go there and discuss esports. He could tell the world how fickle the masses are with how quickly they jump from game to game. Then use that in comparison to baseball, football, golf etc to contrast how trying to sell the world one video game isn't really gonna work out in the end. Then he'd be shooting himself in his own foot.
On August 03 2011 02:33 samd wrote: I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone.
Unfortunately all those pro quake the CS players came and went without having enough people watching their games to actually be relevant enough for a TED talk.
And also, a lot of us know what happened in the past, but we are in a SC forum so of course we are not going to talk about CS/Quake. A lot of us know, but were not going to mention it every time we post the word "esport" just to prove it. Oh and do you know would built the city you live in? No, oh well what a slap in the face to that person cause you're still living in that city and don't even know him?! Not everyone knows where we came from, and its fine, that's life.
It's irrelevant whether esports as a whole is covered or not, and whether the presentation maintains high standards or not - TED features multiple presentations on the same topic, including on gaming, including on specific games (eg: Spore). Day[9]'s talk doesn't close the door for someone else to talk on TED about gaming, RTS, or Starcraft, as they see fit; on the contrary, it only helps by popularizing the topic.
On August 03 2011 02:56 TheWarbler wrote: I would but it requires a telephone number for the nominee.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote: Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
...It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate....
Tyler: here is a academical paper by: Michael G. Wagner of the Department for Interactive Media and Educational TechnologyDanube University Krems named On the Scientific Relevance of eSports. Download link can be found below:
Now I would like you to download it, read it and then disprove him wrong that Esports truly is not a concept worth learning about and then post back here.
EDIT: please email the author of this paper as well, I'm sure he would like to know what amazing things you discovered that made his research wrong about what Esports can teach us.
It's irrelevant due to the different definitions of esports. I refer to esports as the part of the entertainment industry with content related to people playing video games competitively. Wagner lands on this definition: an area of sport activities in which people develop and train mental or physical abilities in the use of information and communication technologies. And if you're not responding particularly to me, but rather still arguing for the OP in general, then I'm not sure how you could think that the TL.net community nominating Day9 to do a talk at TED would have to do with the things in this paper.
And let's be clear that not every academic pursuit is worth learning about. There is a lot of wasted effort in academia with relatively small groups of people justifying things to each other so that they don't feel wasteful and so that they can make money doing what they love. I happen to agree with Wagner but it's not relevant to my post and it's not relevant to Day9 giving a TED talk about esports.
Despite being entertainment or not, that is not being strictly the "entertainment" definition you just declared entertainment in Esports still includes the kind of competitive gameplay described in the paper and thus it still relates. It's actually still a part of the definition you just talked about, rather than being separate or the only part twhich entertainment could consist of. And nothing you typed or said really disproves the fact that we could learn something from Esports.
I really don't think Day9 should be valued over some of the other TED speakers. So many people have far more important and interesting things to bring to TED than Day9 talking about Starcraft.
Please guys, there is some seriously impressive stuff out there and (not to insult Day9) he really isn't above them in any way.
Starcraft is a videogame. Compare that to any of the talks on the TED frontpage. If you can tell me with a straight face that you honestly believe Day9 talking about SC is on par with those, with all due respect you need to get your head reexamined.
TED is a way for the great thinkers of our society to speak to others. Sorry, but Day9 isn't one of them and SC isn't some amazing societal advance.
I love TED, and I love Day[9]. But Tyler really has this one right, I think. Everyone who watches TED talks knows which ones are good and which are bad, and no one wants to be on the "bad" side.
There's certainly room in TED for Day[9] to give just about any kind of speech, but I don't think we should be supporting the idea until we have a decent clue what that speech might look like. Most topics simply wouldn't make for good TED talks, even if they were accepted and even with Day[9]'s enthusiasm and awesome delivery.
It's entirely possible that Day[9] has an awesome idea he's been hoping to talk about - the kind that would make a really insightful and enlightening speech. Until we know for sure (or at least have a strong indications about), this thread seems premature.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote: Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate.
I think that someone can muster up enough ESPORTS bullshit to meet TED's standards. But that would very probably be selfish promotion of our industry, advertisement via conference. In that case, I personally wouldn't nominate and support. But if you believe "can implies ought" then I suppose you would support it.
I think he could give a really solid talk about online communities formed around gaming, pod casting, and positive influences of competitive gaming. Given the amount of negative video game stereotypes that still persist out there, this could be useful. I don't think a talk straight up about eSports would necessarily be the best route to go, but I do think that Day9 could give a really interesting talk about gaming from a different angle which might actually be novel to the TED audience.
On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote: Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame.
It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate.
I think that someone can muster up enough ESPORTS bullshit to meet TED's standards. But that would very probably be selfish promotion of our industry, advertisement via conference. In that case, I personally wouldn't nominate and support. But if you believe "can implies ought" then I suppose you would support it.
I think he could give a really solid talk about online communities formed around gaming, pod casting, and positive influences of competitive gaming. Given the amount of negative video game stereotypes that still persist out there, this could be useful. I don't think a talk straight up about eSports would necessarily be the best route to go, but I do think that Day9 could give a really interesting talk about gaming from a different angle which might actually be novel to the TED audience.
None of that is important to society or anyone outside our niche community. People want him to use TED as a platform to promote our videogame community. Come on -- what you want will make TED a joke. It's a platform for brilliant thinkers, not for gaming advertising.
Look at the newest speeches by TED. We have scientists, doctors, philanthropists, inventors. That is a crowd Day9 doesn't belong with. Sorry.
Yeah, the only reason people want day9 to talk about sc2 on that stage is because it's watched by "5 million viewers" and they want to see this game grow.
Fair enough, until you realize that day9 would just be a advertisement tool. It's not fair for Day9.
On August 03 2011 03:15 StyLeD wrote: Yeah, the only reason people want day9 to talk about sc2 on that stage is because it's watched by "5 million viewers" and they want to see this game grow.
Fair enough, until you realize that day9 would just be a advertisement tool. It's not fair for Day9.
Exactly, what they want is an advertising for esports. TED is not about that. It's a tool for bright minds to share information that will benefit society. Their own tagline reads "Ideas Worth Sharing."
I really don't get why so many people are discussing if it's worth discussing esports in front of the TED community and even more, if it's appropriate nominating Day9 for a possible presentation.
I mean, WTF, if u think TED should only be about really important topics regarding philosophy, technology, communication and whatnot, don't nominate Day9. If u think esports should absolutely be explained in front of the TED crowd, feel free to nominate!
Because in the end of the day, the TED staff will decide what is worthy by their standards and what isn't, and then Sean would have to decide if he wants to accept a possible nomination.
On August 03 2011 03:09 Zzoram wrote: Talking about esports in general, or SC2 in general would be pointless.
If Day9 had a very specific point to make, backed up by data, that was new and interesting, then maybe a TED talk would make sense.
Agreed. Maybe Day9 could talk about the success of his online web show, speaking specifically as an entrepreneur serving the greater community of gaming and "esports". That topic would be more focused and relevant (considering he has the data/statistics of his own product), and is probably the best topic for Day9.
I think others like Sundance, Husky, or even HuK or Destiny also have TED potential (from the business, youtube/viral marketing, and progaming/streaming sectors respectively). Not necessarily for speaking about "esports" as a concept, but rather as front-runners in their respective fields. The theme in these cases is less "look at how big esports is!" and more "look at how these guys are thinking outside of the box to make a living"
On August 02 2011 22:00 Benkestok wrote: Haha, im sorry, i like Day9 and esports to. But its not worthy at all for TEDS.
You haven't seen a lot of TED talks have you? Day[9] talking about E-sports is pretty much the kind of thing that TED is based around. Someone being passionate about something and telling others why they should be interested about it too.
This is such an epic idea. I feel like this would truly be a great platform to at least try and get E-sports off the ground in a big way, I would hope that Day9 would be up too doing it, although I realize he is pretty busy.
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On August 03 2011 03:15 StyLeD wrote: Fair enough, until you realize that day9 would just be a advertisement tool. It's not fair for Day9.
Hmmm, I guess I didn't think about it that way and I can see where you're coming from. However, I don't think it has as much to do with Day9 being an 'advertisement tool' rather than him being one of the most articulate, concise, and passionate speakers in the SCII community. I mean no disrespect to HuK (random example, it applies to basically everyone) lets say, but I don't think he would give a speech half as good as Day9 could, regardless of the topic.
Personally I support this idea not because I want to 'use' day9 for my selfish e-sports growing wishes, but more because if we as a SCII community were to pick 1 person to go to TED talks, Sean would be that guy.
On August 03 2011 03:09 Zzoram wrote: Talking about esports in general, or SC2 in general would be pointless.
If Day9 had a very specific point to make, backed up by data, that was new and interesting, then maybe a TED talk would make sense.
Agreed. Maybe Day9 could talk about the success of his online web show, speaking specifically as an entrepreneur serving the greater community of gaming and "esports". That topic would be more focused and relevant (considering he has the data/statistics of his own product), and is probably the best topic for Day9.
I think others like Sundance, Husky, or even HuK or Destiny also have TED potential (from the business, youtube/viral, and progaming/streaming sectors respectively). Not necessarily for speaking about "esports" as a concept, but rather as front-runners in their respective fields. The theme in these cases is less "check out how big esports is!" and more "look at how these guys are thinking outside of the box to make a living"
I agree, I believe this topic would be the only one worthy of discussion for Day[9]. The success of his online show is quite notable, especially when noting how little he started from. His success as an SC2 caster/analyzer has directly affected his career as a professional caster at things like Dreamhack, MLG, ESL, and more. If he was gonna do a speech about anything, it would have to be about how effective the internet is at publicizing yourself and the potential it has to get you solid work that is also involved with the community that you love.
For those that want e-sports to grow out of this speech, his mentioning of the Day[9] Daily, as well as his mentioning of his involvement in the aforementioned events he has cast, will serve as an advertisement to some degree, as people will definitely want to see Day[9] in action if he managed to strike a chord with them.
On August 02 2011 22:00 Benkestok wrote: Haha, im sorry, i like Day9 and esports to. But its not worthy at all for TEDS.
You haven't seen a lot of TED talks have you? Day[9] talking about E-sports is pretty much the kind of thing that TED is based around. Someone being passionate about something and telling others why they should be interested about it too.
This is such an epic idea. I feel like this would truly be a great platform to at least try and get E-sports off the ground in a big way, I would hope that Day9 would be up too doing it, although I realize he is pretty busy.
Once again, the basis for your reasoning is to use TED as nothing more than an advertising tool. That's not what TED is about.
And that aside, plenty of people are passionate about things. What matters is the impact those things have on society.
I think there are misconceptions about games and gamers. For instance, if I play a strategy game, I don't want to be viewed in the same light as a WoW player. Whether my negative connotations associated with certain games have merits or not, it makes you think "how do others view what I play?" It's easy to forget there is a general lack of understanding if you primarily converse with others in your field. South Korea has proven that SC can be main-stream and that all ages and genders can and will enjoy it, granted their is a broad awareness of what the game is really about.
Look at sports like football in the US. Most people, after high school, will never even play football again. Not only that, but they will end up making chump change in comparison to the athletes that earn their fandom. I played all sports, so I don't want to bash on sports in general. But, I think the older you get, the less sense it makes to be a fan. In fact, it should be depressing to watch pro sports. But, traditions are not easily broken.
My point is this; if you have an e-sport that can be played by all ages, then the only reason for it to not be on TV is either the game isn't good enough, or there is simply a lack of understanding and/or exposure. If you have someone that is passionate about there being beauty in the game, and believes there is more to the game than meets the general public's eye, then what is there to lose by having someone like Day[9] do a TED talk? I'm not going to say there aren't other sufficient ambassadors for games, but Day[9] is at the top of my list, and obviously there is room for understanding.
Most acts in life have some degree of selfishness to them, but if an inferior game is garnering more attention, then I'm all for enlightenment. Btw, I saw one TED talk that was about "people tie their shoes wrong." There is no debate here.
I really hope Day9 hears of this idea, likes it and TED chooses him. He said his dream is to be the ambassador of esports, or the guy young people can show their parents and point out he is doing fine with gaming.
I think Day9 would be a good candidate for a TED talk but for a different reason than seems to be mentioned. I think that the speech would be excellent if it focused more on the delivery method of the shows he participates on than the game itself.
I think that a talk about using streaming media and the internet as a platform to reach niche markets, which if we are honest Starcraft will be for a long time, and how to maximize that reach would be a very interesting talk that has the potential to have a much broader reach of interest in people who routinely listen to or attend TED.
A lot of the discussion in here is really quite dumb. .____.
First of all, I doubt Day9 would approach a TED speech as a platform to stuff advertisements down everyone's throats. I also doubt that Day9 could NOT talk about something he is so passionate about and that impacts his life in every way.
Why don't people set aside all their bullshit and go look at the TED theme: Radical Openness. The topic is basically one about globalization (specifically related to technologies and media since it's TED). I think Day9 can offer some unique perspective on how the internet allows global communities to form that completely transcend language barriers, cultural barriers, and geographical barriers. People from all over the world tune in to watch his show each night-- and I'm sure anyone who regularly watches it feels a sense of friendship and personal connection with Day9 that you do not get from watching a news anchor or weatherman speak every day. People from all over the world travel to major SC tournaments-- I tune in to watch tournaments in Korea, and I watch Khaldor cast in German even though I don't understand it, because I care about the game and love the players and the community so much.
This is the kind of things Day9 could give an amazing talk on-- and it is 100% relevant and important for people to hear about.
Ok reading the post i was like hmm, after seeing david cameron goes (hopefully you mean david cameron the UK primeminster) i want DAY9 to do it!! Teach our primeminster some SC2!! ROFL be hilarious!
I think if there was a TED along these lines it should be about social community and the emphasis being the digital age, the collection of effort that drives a passion, and how this digital community drives innovation.
This would be so awesome and such a huge step for the sc2 community, lets all make this the #1 thread on TL and hopefully get it promoted. Send this to all your friends! sc2 gamers unite!
It seems to me that it is up to TED and Day9 to decide if a potential talk has enough subsistence to keep it up to the standards of TED and Day9. They are the only two partners in the relationship. If you or anyone else feels that the talk wouldn't be good enough then don't send in a nomination and if it happens then don't watch it. Also I think people should keep in mind that what seems normal to us might not seem normal to everyone else. While people playing a video game for 100k seems normal to us it might not seem normal to everyone.
http://gawker.com/362800/why-ted-sucks This is why Day9 ought not to speak in a TED talk, the idea that TED talks are some sort of high-level discussion platform for philosophy, technology, and the like is ludicrous. TED talks are merely another manner in which our digital culture manifests its obsession with celebrity, the talks end up being nothing more than opportunities for people whom society deems smart or notable to exercise their intelligence or notoriety in a public way. Anyone who thinks that TED talks are too "academic" for Day9 or the likes of Sc2 is straight up delusional.
On August 03 2011 05:35 farvacola wrote: http://gawker.com/362800/why-ted-sucks This is why Day9 ought not to speak in a TED talk, the idea that TED talks are some sort of high-level discussion platform for philosophy, technology, and the like is ludicrous. TED talks are merely another manner in which our digital culture manifests its obsession with celebrity, the talks end up being nothing more than opportunities for people whom society deems smart or notable to exercise their intelligence or notoriety in a public way. Anyone who thinks that TED talks are too "academic" for Day9 or the likes of Sc2 is straight up delusional.
There have been a ton of TED talks. Some good, others not as much. Of course there have been silly sensationalized panels, but there are also some really interesting ones that have inspired a lot of people.
Check out some of Hans Rosling's talks if you don't believe me.
Just because Gawker found a few examples of over-hyped bullshit, TED is by and large a reputable organization that produces quality content (keep in mind that Gawker is a web rumor-mill, not an academic journal).
On August 03 2011 05:53 polaris415 wrote: ninja'd by kazeyonoma.
well done all
Well, , to be fair, well done for getting him noticed, but there's a fine line between support and annoyance. We don't want the TED guys to keep getting bombarded and make it seem like day9 isn't reputable because his fanbase is driving the TED people crazy.
On August 02 2011 22:00 Benkestok wrote: Haha, im sorry, i like Day9 and esports to. But its not worthy at all for TEDS.
You haven't seen a lot of TED talks have you? Day[9] talking about E-sports is pretty much the kind of thing that TED is based around. Someone being passionate about something and telling others why they should be interested about it too.
This is such an epic idea. I feel like this would truly be a great platform to at least try and get E-sports off the ground in a big way, I would hope that Day9 would be up too doing it, although I realize he is pretty busy.
Once again, the basis for your reasoning is to use TED as nothing more than an advertising tool. That's not what TED is about.
And that aside, plenty of people are passionate about things. What matters is the impact those things have on society.
I think you should go to Korea to see the kind of impact a game and E-sports can have on society then.
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So until then, its just a thread.
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