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On August 03 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 02:00 Skwid1g wrote:
Why are people constantly saying that "HURR THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN TED TALKS ITS NOT A PROMINENT ISSUE HURR DURR"? Are you guys serious? Do you not know what TED talks are about?
TED talks don't just pertain to curing diseases and new technology, but also the interests of people around the world and new social phenomenons. E-sports would very easily fit into TED talks as it's a huge developing culture. Please don't try and tell me that juggling (WHICH HAS BEEN A TED TALK) or how to tie your shoe (another ted talk) as well as a million other simply interesting topics belong in TED while E-sports does not. There's a popular misconception about TED talks. I think what you can gather from the people who are under the impression that TED is limited to important and interesting ideas is that they only care about important and interesting ideas. The fact that beloved TED is filled with a bunch of bullshit is reason to not indulge in TED if it means we're going to be among the bullshit and not among the good stuff. Like I said about standards, I don't care about TED's. Just because something can be a TED talk, doesn't mean that it should be. I think a lot of those talks are a waste of everyone's time. If a really good presentation can be created, then I agree with the OP that TED would be a great place to do it. But that is different than saying that if we're good enough to get on TED, then we should do it. We can set our own standard.
I'd argue that persenting 'whatever' through a forum that has so many people watching is part of the process that is 'setting a standard'.
Anyway I get what you're saying and I agree - in this case though it
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I took 35minutes to send a request, so worth it 
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I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone.
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I have to agree with Tyler. I don't want Day[9] to do a TED talk just because he can. I want it to be a damn good one that can appeal to the masses.
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Have to agree with Tyler on this one. People seem to want to just throw Day9 into TED talks just because Day9 is "awesome," confident he'll come up with something worthy for TED. The primary focus seems to be promoting our community, but TED isn't a place for such a thing.
How about we think of an actual idea worthy of sharing, rather than the person presenting it? I think the community is a bit too obsessed with Day9...
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On August 03 2011 02:38 cordlc wrote:
How about we think of an actual idea worthy of sharing, rather than the person presenting it? I think the community is a bit too obsessed with Day9...
I wouldn't say Day9, but more of an obsession with advertising ESPORTS...and I'm all for advertising it. But TED isn't the place to do it.
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On August 03 2011 02:33 samd wrote:
I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone.
Ummmmm..... what? I've followed CS for years now, a presentation based on CS/Quake would just be a lesson in history. Its sad to say but there is not a big competitive scene anymore for CS/Quake, but SC2 is still growing and getting bigger. I don't understand how its a slap in the face to CS/Quake players to like SC2 or to think that its the face of E-SPORTS right NOW.
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better do it or u will be zerg swarmed!
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On August 03 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 02:00 Skwid1g wrote:
Why are people constantly saying that "HURR THIS DOESN'T BELONG IN TED TALKS ITS NOT A PROMINENT ISSUE HURR DURR"? Are you guys serious? Do you not know what TED talks are about?
TED talks don't just pertain to curing diseases and new technology, but also the interests of people around the world and new social phenomenons. E-sports would very easily fit into TED talks as it's a huge developing culture. Please don't try and tell me that juggling (WHICH HAS BEEN A TED TALK) or how to tie your shoe (another ted talk) as well as a million other simply interesting topics belong in TED while E-sports does not. There's a popular misconception about TED talks. I think what you can gather from the people who are under the impression that TED is limited to important and interesting ideas is that they only care about important and interesting ideas. The fact that beloved TED is filled with a bunch of bullshit is reason to not indulge in TED if it means we're going to be among the bullshit and not among the good stuff. Like I said about standards, I don't care about TED's. Just because something can be a TED talk, doesn't mean that it should be. I think a lot of those talks are a waste of everyone's time. If a really good presentation can be created, then I agree with the OP that TED would be a great place to do it. But that is different than saying that if we're good enough to get on TED, then we should do it. We can set our own standard.
That is a really really good point. If there are ridiculous, unimportant presentations throughout TED, then why would we want sc2/esports to be on the same stage.
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The moral of the story is: Don't argue with a philosophy major over TED talks.
In all seriousness though, I think that a presentation could be made, specifically for TED that would fit the basic ideas and patterns that some of the better talks have been. Find a subject worth exploring in some greater detail, lay out it's benefits for the human race, how it should be explored or at least considered in greater depth for more people, write a speech and present it at the conference.
I'm sure that the community alone could aide in putting together twenty minutes of why eSports is good for mankind (apart from being solely a medium of entertainment). Very little outside knowledge would necessarily need to be collected.
Just as a sort of starting place - in case a speech does need to be made in a short time, the Olympics aide in bringing the people of the world together, over competition of a sport, right? But this only happens once every two years. eSports is available all the time. You can go and compete with a foreigner (From your country, not in Starcraft terms) literally at any moment (assuming you own a copy of a foreign SC2). In this facet, it promotes competition, which has been shown to form bonds between people, over large distances. This helps to bridge the gaps between foreign communities, and on some level, cultures.
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On August 03 2011 02:25 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 02:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote:
Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame. ...It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate.... Tyler: here is a academical paper by: Michael G. Wagner of the Department for Interactive Media and Educational TechnologyDanube University Krems named On the Scientific Relevance of eSports. Download link can be found below: On the Scientific Relevance of eSports. Now I would like you to download it, read it and then disprove him wrong that Esports truly is not a concept worth learning about and then post back here. EDIT: please email the author of this paper as well, I'm sure he would like to know what amazing things you discovered that made his research wrong about what Esports can teach us.
It's irrelevant due to the different definitions of esports. I refer to esports as the part of the entertainment industry with content related to people playing video games competitively. Wagner lands on this definition: an area of sport activities in which people develop and train mental or physical abilities in the use of information and communication technologies. And if you're not responding particularly to me, but rather still arguing for the OP in general, then I'm not sure how you could think that the TL.net community nominating Day9 to do a talk at TED would have to do with the things in this paper.
And let's be clear that not every academic pursuit is worth learning about. There is a lot of wasted effort in academia with relatively small groups of people justifying things to each other so that they don't feel wasteful and so that they can make money doing what they love. I happen to agree with Wagner but it's not relevant to my post and it's not relevant to Day9 giving a TED talk about esports.
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ummm no, sorry.
I actually cringe when i see how much of the SC world is on wikipedia, just because there's some stupid gaming wiki initiative and the editors feel like it, while other much much relevant stuff is shut down for "notability" reasons.
the idea feels embarrassing to me actually.
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On August 03 2011 02:33 samd wrote:
I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone.
Unfortunately all those pro quake the CS players came and went without having enough people watching their games to actually be relevant enough for a TED talk.
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On August 03 2011 02:48 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 02:33 samd wrote:
I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone. Unfortunately all those pro quake the CS players came and went without having enough people watching their games to actually be relevant enough for a TED talk.
You're trolling right? CS at its peak had about 2-3x the number of viewers that SC2 gets now. Fatal1ty is a multi-millionaire and probably the most recognizable progamer (even including Boxer). Heaton can't walk down the street in Stockholm, or anywhere in China, without being stopped every 10 feet. Its kids like you that JLake referenced in his interview. 16 year olds who think that esports began a year ago. So disrespectful.
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I reckon he could go there and discuss esports. He could tell the world how fickle the masses are with how quickly they jump from game to game. Then use that in comparison to baseball, football, golf etc to contrast how trying to sell the world one video game isn't really gonna work out in the end. Then he'd be shooting himself in his own foot.
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On August 03 2011 02:48 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 02:33 samd wrote:
I love how you starcraft kiddies think SC is the only esport and nothing else exists. What a slap in the face to all the pro quake and CS players that have come and gone. Unfortunately all those pro quake the CS players came and went without having enough people watching their games to actually be relevant enough for a TED talk.
And also, a lot of us know what happened in the past, but we are in a SC forum so of course we are not going to talk about CS/Quake. A lot of us know, but were not going to mention it every time we post the word "esport" just to prove it. Oh and do you know would built the city you live in? No, oh well what a slap in the face to that person cause you're still living in that city and don't even know him?! Not everyone knows where we came from, and its fine, that's life.
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I would but it requires a telephone number for the nominee.
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It's irrelevant whether esports as a whole is covered or not, and whether the presentation maintains high standards or not - TED features multiple presentations on the same topic, including on gaming, including on specific games (eg: Spore). Day[9]'s talk doesn't close the door for someone else to talk on TED about gaming, RTS, or Starcraft, as they see fit; on the contrary, it only helps by popularizing the topic.On August 03 2011 02:56 TheWarbler wrote:
I would but it requires a telephone number for the nominee. You can put "N/A", it's fine.
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On August 03 2011 02:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 02:25 Integra wrote:On August 03 2011 02:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On August 03 2011 02:00 Awesomeness wrote:
Stop acting like TED is only for talkers who try to change the world or something absurd like that. At the end of the day it's a media platform like any other.
@Tyler
I really don't get your point here. All it would do is promote eSports to an audience that is unfamiliar with this concept. How could this be harmful in any shape or form to...anyone?
Day9's speach would be about the growth of eSports and the eSports-community in general and not just a promotion of a videogame. ...It's not a concept worth learning about. Presenting competition to an audience as a form of entertainment is an unoriginal idea. We've gone from board games and sports to video games, so what? What is unique and interesting about the growth of esports? On the surface, there's nothing. IF there's something interesting, and IF a capable person makes a presentation about it, THEN we can nominate.... Tyler: here is a academical paper by: Michael G. Wagner of the Department for Interactive Media and Educational TechnologyDanube University Krems named On the Scientific Relevance of eSports. Download link can be found below: On the Scientific Relevance of eSports. Now I would like you to download it, read it and then disprove him wrong that Esports truly is not a concept worth learning about and then post back here. EDIT: please email the author of this paper as well, I'm sure he would like to know what amazing things you discovered that made his research wrong about what Esports can teach us. It's irrelevant due to the different definitions of esports. I refer to esports as the part of the entertainment industry with content related to people playing video games competitively. Wagner lands on this definition: an area of sport activities in which people develop and train mental or physical abilities in the use of information and communication technologies. And if you're not responding particularly to me, but rather still arguing for the OP in general, then I'm not sure how you could think that the TL.net community nominating Day9 to do a talk at TED would have to do with the things in this paper. And let's be clear that not every academic pursuit is worth learning about. There is a lot of wasted effort in academia with relatively small groups of people justifying things to each other so that they don't feel wasteful and so that they can make money doing what they love. I happen to agree with Wagner but it's not relevant to my post and it's not relevant to Day9 giving a TED talk about esports.
Despite being entertainment or not, that is not being strictly the "entertainment" definition you just declared entertainment in Esports still includes the kind of competitive gameplay described in the paper and thus it still relates. It's actually still a part of the definition you just talked about, rather than being separate or the only part twhich entertainment could consist of. And nothing you typed or said really disproves the fact that we could learn something from Esports.
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I really don't think Day9 should be valued over some of the other TED speakers. So many people have far more important and interesting things to bring to TED than Day9 talking about Starcraft.
Please guys, there is some seriously impressive stuff out there and (not to insult Day9) he really isn't above them in any way.
Starcraft is a videogame. Compare that to any of the talks on the TED frontpage. If you can tell me with a straight face that you honestly believe Day9 talking about SC is on par with those, with all due respect you need to get your head reexamined.
TED is a way for the great thinkers of our society to speak to others. Sorry, but Day9 isn't one of them and SC isn't some amazing societal advance.
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