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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
- What legal reasoning do you have for thinking that restreaming the free stream is legal? - What legal reasoning do you have for thinking that storing these videos of the free stream for later (free) consumption is legal? | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:10 arbitrageur wrote: Doubt this is legal. I don't understand how I could be doing something illegal? This is just the MLG Public Stream re-streamed. This is not the HD Stream where people paid money for. I completely support MLG and would never restream their HD Stream. Just trying to help out the Team Liquid Community. | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
I'm pretty sure it's not legal to restream the free stream. You still get ads on the free stream and MLG makes money from that. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:12 JerKy wrote: Yeah... I dont think restreams are/were allowed? Not to mention saving the VODs The actually REPLAYS where not allowed. These are not the actually REPLAYS themselves. This is just exactly what was streamed at MLG's Website. They didn't want the REPLAYS saved to protect the players. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:12 FryktSkyene wrote: I agree with above. I'm pretty sure it's not legal to restream the free stream. You still get ads on the free stream and MLG makes money from that. There are ADS in the VODS, as it was exactly what was re-streamed. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:12 Octanepro wrote: I don't understand how I could be doing something illegal? This is just the MLG Public Stream re-streamed. This is not the HD Stream where people paid money for. I completely support MLG and would never restream their HD Stream. Just trying to help out the Team Liquid Community. I'm not saying you're doing something immoral, I just doubt the legality of your actions and will continue to do so until some legal precedent is shown to me. Not that I actually care. I've screenshotted the URLs incase the thread gets deleted. So thank you from myself for the service, you've obviously put a lot of time into this. | ||
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Saishuuheiki
United States188 Posts
This is much like the GSL. It's free to watch the GSL in LQ if you watch it live, but VODs are not free | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:14 arbitrageur wrote: I'm not saying you're doing something immoral, I just doubt the legality of your actions and will continue to do so until some legal precedent is shown to me. Not that I actually care. I've screenshotted the URLs incase the thread gets deleted. HAHA Thanks. MLG Actually re-streamed exactly what was on their website stream to Justin.tv because they where aware that alot of viewers couldn't view their website. A ton of other Justin.tv Members did the same thing. I just went and put them in order and together for you guys. Just helping out the Team Liquid community. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:14 Saishuuheiki wrote: Not sharing the replays is unrelated This is much like the GSL. It's free to watch the GSL in LQ if you watch it live, but VODs are not free These are not Replay VODS this is the stream VODS. There is a difference. | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
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croupier
United States92 Posts
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DNA61289
United States665 Posts
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:13 Octanepro wrote: There are ADS in the VODS, as it was exactly what was re-streamed. the difference is that when watching it through the MLG website they get hits that they can forward to their sponsors. This does nothing for them. Sure it's free exposure but MLG cant gauge it and hence it just becomes guesstimates(which are irrelevant). untill proven illegal though I say good work, there will definitely be people who cant pay for a pass and didnt catch the whole free stream live. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:17 Fission wrote: I'm almost completely sure this is illegal. Show me a link to an MLG site that says this is illegal and i will take it down instantly. I don't want to break any rules. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:17 croupier wrote: I am one of the folks looking for MLG vods. Is there an "official" way that they're being made available for free or is that what the MLG pass for $9.99 is for? I think you need to purchase the MLG HD package. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:18 FarbrorAbavna wrote: the difference is that when watching it through the MLG website they get hits that they can forward to their sponsors. This does nothing for them. Sure it's free exposure but MLG cant gauge it and hence it just becomes guesstimates(which are irrelevant). untill proven illegal though I say good work, there will definitely be people who cant pay for a pass and didnt catch the whole free stream live. Thanks Man, just trying to help people out. Show me a link to an MLG site that says this is illegal and i will take it down instantly. I don't want to break any rules. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:13 Octanepro wrote: There are ADS in the VODS, as it was exactly what was re-streamed. 1. The "video" ads, i.e. recorded ads played back in the video, don't help MLG at all. If I said "Watch MLG, Dr. Pepper sponsors them", MLG receives no money from Dr. Pepper because I said that. 2. Any actual ads from watching these videos give YOU money. tl;dr: MLG gets no money from this. You get money from this. It's their product you're selling. That's not exactly legal. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:19 Chargelot wrote: 1. The "video" ads, i.e. recorded ads played back in the video, don't help MLG at all. If I said "Watch MLG, Dr. Pepper sponsors them", MLG receives no money from Dr. Pepper. 2. Any actual ads from watching these videos give YOU money. tl;dr: MLG gets no money from this. You get money from this. It's their product you're selling. That's not exactly legal. how do i get money for this? I just spent my free time today putting this together for people. There's no money to be made here. I am not looking to make money jeez | ||
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Jimbooo
203 Posts
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:12 FryktSkyene wrote: I agree with above. I'm pretty sure it's not legal to restream the free stream. You still get ads on the free stream and MLG makes money from that. I'm pretty sure this is actually 100% illegal. Did you contact MLG before doing this? Yes, you still get ads on the free stream, but if you restream, MLG is no longer making money from those ads. They make money for their ads based on how many viewers they get, and if 1,000 people are watching via your stream, they only get 1 viewer... And i'm sure you're going to say "Well people who watched my stream probably couldnt watch the MLG stream, so they didn't lose any money" But i'm pretty sure they won't look at it that way. What if a)Someone COULD of watched the MLG stream, but it was just easier to pull it up on justin.tv? b)What if someone thought MLG was corrupt/immoral/whatever for making money off of starcraft 2, and decided to deprive them of that money by watching your stream? In reality, would a lot of people have done that? No probably not. Is there enough for a lawyer to make a case here if they really wanted to? Maybe. You REALLY need to check into this kind of stuff before you stream someone elses content. I hope for your sake MLG doesn't pursue this | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:21 awu25 wrote: Just because it's free doesn't mean you can restream it. MLG probably copyrighted their broadcast If you can show me a link that says it is illegal to re-stream their Free Public Stream. I will take this down right away. I am not looking to do anything illegal just looking to help out the Starcraft 2 & Team Liquid community. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:22 Bonkarooni wrote: I'm pretty sure this is actually 100% illegal. Did you contact MLG before doing this? Yes, you still get ads on the free stream, but if you restream, MLG is no longer making money from those ads. They make money for their ads based on how many viewers they get, and if 1,000 people are watching via your stream, they only get 1 viewer... And i'm sure you're going to say "Well people who watched my stream probably couldnt watch the MLG stream, so they didn't lose any money" But i'm pretty sure they won't look at it that way. What if a)Someone COULD of watched the MLG stream, but it was just easier to pull it up on justin.tv? b)What if someone thought MLG was corrupt/immoral/whatever for making money off of starcraft 2, and decided to deprive them of that money by watching your stream? In reality, would a lot of people have done that? No probably not. Is there enough for a lawyer to make a case here if they really wanted to? Maybe. You REALLY need to check into this kind of stuff before you stream someone elses content. I hope for your sake MLG doesn't pursue this MLG is no longer making money from this as the live stream is over. But if you can show me a link that says it is illegal to re-stream their Free Public Stream. I will take this down right away. I am not looking to do anything illegal just looking to help out the Starcraft 2 & Team Liquid community. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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th3_great
United Kingdom429 Posts
I dont see how this is much different from that situation. | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
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croupier
United States92 Posts
I couldn't find a "legal" page or "terms & conditions" page on the MLG site, but i would contact MLG and ask. It's the right thing to do. More work for you, i know, and that's probably not what you wanted to hear. If they say that restreaming like this is not legal, then they should probably make that more obvious on their future events. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
I will contact MLG before reposting the stream links. Thanks guys I will contact MLG before reposting the stream links. Thanks guys I will contact MLG before reposting the stream links. Thanks guys I will contact MLG before reposting the stream links. Thanks guys | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
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Jtn
444 Posts
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well-named
United States10 Posts
Section 5. Your Conduct (E) The Website contains copyrighted material, trademarks and other proprietary information, including, but not limited to, text, software, photos, video, graphics, music and sound. The entire contents of the Website are copyrighted as a collective work under the United States copyright laws. MLG owns a copyright in the selection, coordination, arrangement and enhancement of such content, as well as in the content original to it. You may not modify, publish, transmit, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit, any of the content, in whole or in part. Except as otherwise expressly permitted under copyright law, no copying, redistribution, retransmission, publication or commercial or non-commercial exploitation of material on the Website will be permitted without the express permission of MLG and the copyright owner. In the event of any permitted copying, redistribution or publication of copyrighted material, no changes in or deletion of author attribution, trademark legend or copyright notice shall be made. You acknowledge that you do not acquire any ownership rights by accessing or otherwise using copyrighted material. Emphasis is mine. In short, re-transmitting is a violation of copyright law. It doesn't matter that it's their free stream, or that you aren't making money from it. Not that what you are doing is some morally evil thing, but it's good to understand how copyright law in the US actually works and there is no doubt that re-transmitting recordings from the free stream violates MLG's copyrights on that material, and it does also potentially cost them some amount of lost ad revenue as well, which is enough of a reason not to do it, imo. | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:29 HorsemasterK wrote: hang on, let me download these before the copyright white knights go cry to the cops. I bet using adblock is amoral in their eyes too. Refer to my previous post to see why you're a douchebag. | ||
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1800STFU
158 Posts
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
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Kaelaris
United Kingdom788 Posts
https://accounts.majorleaguegaming.com/terms_of_service + Show Spoiler + 12. Intellectual Property: MLG, Major League Gaming, the MLG logo, GameBattles, the GameBattles logo, GotFrag, the GotFrag logo, Smashboards, the Smashboards logo and the tagline "It's Time to Get Your Game On" are the exclusive property of MLG. All rights reserved. All other trademarks appearing on the Services are the property of MLG, affiliates of MLG, or their respective owners. Unless you have agreed otherwise in writing with MLG, you agree that nothing in this Agreement gives you a right to use any of MLG's trade names, trademarks, service marks, logos, domain names, and other distinctive brand features. You further agree that you shall not use any trademark, service mark, trade name, logo of any other company or organization in a way that is likely or intended to cause confusion about the owner or authorized user of such marks, names or logos. ... 17. DMCA Notice: MLG owns, protects and enforces copyrights in its own creative material and respects the copyright properties of others. Materials may be made available on or via the Services by third parties not within the control of MLG. It is our policy not to permit materials known by us to be infringing to remain on this Site and to terminate relationships regarding content with third parties repeatedly infringing the copyrights of others. You should notify us promptly if you believe any materials on the Services infringe a third party copyright. Upon our receipt of a proper notice of claimed infringement under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA"), MLG will respond expeditiously to follow the procedures specified in the DMCA to resolve the claim between the notifying party and the alleged infringer who provided the content in issue, including, where applicable, removing, or disabling access to material claimed to be infringing or by removing or disabling access to links to such material. Pursuant to the DMCA 17 U.S.C. 512 (c), MLG has designated the EVP of Business Affairs and Development of Major League Gaming Inc. as its agent for notification of claims of copyright infringement with respect to information residing, at the direction of a user, on the Services. Quote partially covers their own disclaimers about not using anyone elses material either. Basically, you're infringing copyright and should probably stop. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:32 1800STFU wrote: This guy is just trying to help out : / Thank you good sir Thanks Man, not trying to do any harm. But the TL community does see it that way. | ||
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:32 Jinivus wrote: Refer to my previous post to see why you're a douchebag. someone on the internet doesn't like me? brbsuicide. I bet you think DVR is killing TV, huh? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:35 Octanepro wrote: Thanks Man, not trying to do any harm. But the TL community does see it that way. its a robin hood sort of mentality. you took the post down, so good for you. mistake made and rectified. | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:33 KaelSC wrote: Aside from the down-right obviousness of you stealing their intellectual property (the tournament, their logos, their casters, their overlays blah blah.. not the game itself) I thought this should probably clear things up. https://accounts.majorleaguegaming.com/terms_of_service + Show Spoiler + 17. DMCA Notice: MLG owns, protects and enforces copyrights in its own creative material and respects the copyright properties of others. Materials may be made available on or via the Services by third parties not within the control of MLG. It is our policy not to permit materials known by us to be infringing to remain on this Site and to terminate relationships regarding content with third parties repeatedly infringing the copyrights of others. You should notify us promptly if you believe any materials on the Services infringe a third party copyright. Upon our receipt of a proper notice of claimed infringement under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA"), MLG will respond expeditiously to follow the procedures specified in the DMCA to resolve the claim between the notifying party and the alleged infringer who provided the content in issue, including, where applicable, removing, or disabling access to material claimed to be infringing or by removing or disabling access to links to such material. Pursuant to the DMCA 17 U.S.C. 512 (c), MLG has designated the EVP of Business Affairs and Development of Major League Gaming Inc. as its agent for notification of claims of copyright infringement with respect to information residing, at the direction of a user, on the Services. Quote partially covers their own disclaimers about not using anyone elses material either. Basically, you're infringing copyright and should probably stop. So does that mean everything on youtube will get smacked with a Cease and Desist? | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:36 dAPhREAk wrote: its a robin hood sort of mentality. you took the post down, so good for you. mistake made and rectified. Thanks | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
Any protoss MU that you guys recommend watching? | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:35 HorsemasterK wrote: someone on the internet doesn't like me? brbsuicide. I bet you think DVR is killing TV, huh? Why should you get the vods for free when people without an egregious sense of entitlement have to pay? | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:37 Octanepro wrote: So does that mean everything on youtube will get smacked with a Cease and Desist? Anything that is copyrighted yes. This has been a constant battle YouTube has been dealing with since it began.... | ||
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Kaelaris
United Kingdom788 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:37 Octanepro wrote: So does that mean everything on youtube will get smacked with a Cease and Desist? I'm yet to see the blatent ripping of their broadcast on Youtube i'm afraid, could you provide me with the link please? EDIT: Located one or two stream rips that had already been taken down by the user, probably warned. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:37 Octanepro wrote: So does that mean everything on youtube will get smacked with a Cease and Desist? They always have, same with the GSL channels that used to be on youtube. Although you might be confused because MLG is slightly different in that they used to release replays so people could cast the games fresh (like HD or even you and me), but they don't let people repost the actual MLG stream. Then of course there are clips from events MLG, NASL, GSL, ect. They're usually short and try to sneak in under 'fair use' but if they got really anal they could have those taken down. But that's usually bad publicity and letting people ie - make a highlight clip of Fruitdealer winning GSL is pretty harmless (and probably good for GSL in fact). Anyways, no harm done, you meant well. Don't let the people pointing out the problem to you (some lacking tact) get you down. | ||
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Twiggs
United States600 Posts
By the way before anyone else tries to re stream or watch a re stream it would be helpful to type into google: X company copyright. e.g. MLG copyright. I did it and found this (as posted above) MLG TOS. If these businesses don't want you all to "steal" their intellectual property you all should at least respect that. At least you had good intentions | ||
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Kaelaris
United Kingdom788 Posts
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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
I have always loved watching SC, but have had to give it up while I am here T.T If there was some way to buy these VODs legally from MLG in a physical format, I would be willing to pay a good amount of money. Anyone know anything about this? | ||
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Kauz
United States38 Posts
This is actually a great example of a reason (albeit small) that the US Senate is persuing legislation against streaming of copyrighted content. MLG payed a licensing fee to Blizzard, and looks to recoup their money, and you make that difficult. Additionally, you decrease revenue by sharing VODs that are pay-to-view also. I would hope that freeloading wouldn't win out over watching MLG lose revenue. I appreciate that you're trying to help the community, and some will be happy, but I think you're doing more harm than good. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:51 Khaymus wrote: Is there anyway for me to buy a DvD or thumbdrive with all of the VODs from MLG? I want to support them, but I am in a deployed location where bandwidth is a huge issue. (loading VODs is not really happening..as a youtube video takes hours to load.) I have always loved watching SC, but have had to give it up while I am here T.T If there was some way to buy these VODs legally from MLG in a physical format, I would be willing to pay a good amount of money. Anyone know anything about this? Any friends that could buy an Anaheim pass and fraps them for you or something of that sort? | ||
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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:55 Charger wrote: Any friends that could buy an Anaheim pass and fraps them for you or something of that sort? Well if possible, I would like to give MLG the money they deserve for their hard work. I guess I could buy an HD pass and then do something along those lines? Would be alot of work for my friend though >< | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:56 Khaymus wrote: Well if possible, I would like to give MLG the money they deserve for their hard work. I guess I could buy an HD pass and then do something along those lines? Would be alot of work for my friend though >< Yeah, i meant you buy the pass and have them do the work so it's not stealing or illegal but honestly I would contact MLG about this and they may be able to help. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
justin.tv/mlgstarcrafta justin.tv/mlgstarcraftb those are the official MLG streams that they themselves stream via justin.tv they are in LQ, but you should be able to watch the whole thing | ||
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
On August 02 2011 05:04 emythrel wrote: If you want to watch the VODs..... justin.tv/mlgstarcrafta justin.tv/mlgstarcraftb those are the official MLG streams that they themselves stream via justin.tv they are in LQ, but you should be able to watch the whole thing <white knight> But GUYS, not paying for the VODs is KILLING ESPORTS!!! </white knight> | ||
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Octanepro
United States416 Posts
On August 02 2011 05:04 emythrel wrote: If you want to watch the VODs..... justin.tv/mlgstarcrafta justin.tv/mlgstarcraftb those are the official MLG streams that they themselves stream via justin.tv they are in LQ, but you should be able to watch the whole thing ^ So should that be taken down, as that is doing the same thing I was doing? | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On August 02 2011 05:04 emythrel wrote: If you want to watch the VODs..... justin.tv/mlgstarcrafta justin.tv/mlgstarcraftb those are the official MLG streams that they themselves stream via justin.tv they are in LQ, but you should be able to watch the whole thing They aren't official, the recordings are as illegal as the OP. | ||
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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
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