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I think people tend to use a very narrow definition of "Pro-Gamer".
The average definition seems to be someone that plays the game at the very top level, but this isn't even close to the truth. The truth is that a Professional Gamer is someone who is paid to play games. That means that whether you won MLG for a prizepool or simply attract a crowd large enough for sponsors to be interested, you are a "Pro-Gamer".
I'm hesitant to extend this over casters and coaches, much in the way you may not call John Madden a NFL Player, but these individuals are no less worthy of the same respect.
Any way you look at it, you either support e-sports or you don't. A vote for EG is a vote for e-sports.
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On August 06 2011 00:05 dre2k wrote:
the skill level is just higher on the korean server and the cheese is more refined
Its french blue smelly cheese, not your average chedder! 
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2011 00:18 Zeroxk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 22:50 Titnium wrote:
I'm not going to boohoo about the negativity in the thread, but merely comment on how shallow or one-dimensional many of the comments are. Most haters in this thread seem to be focusing on the gameplay and/or tournament results coming from EG in recent months. Warranted or not, focusing merely on tournament results in a community that wants to grow E-Sports is less than half the battle.
I'd dare say that there isn't a team that has influenced NA E-Sports and especially SC2 interest as greatly as EG (bear with me Team Liquid, I have plenty of love to share), especially in these recent months. Incontrol, love him or hate him, has been a huge community figure for us all, being instrumental in the NASL, SotG and ItG casts, and being one of the few publicly available players on these forums. Idra's streams consistently get over 10k viewers at a time, and most of them aren't there for the dubstep, just watching Idra play silly ladder matches.
How many people attended the last Green Bay Packers practice? Over 9000?
Keep in mind as well that many of the SC2 community figures that we look up to are not getting into the upper brackets in MLG, or competing for that matter at all. Yet no one is in DJWheat's threads telling him to get better or shut up.
If it is EG's prerogative to use this house to increase their showing at tournaments and become better as a whole, that's awesome. I just hope it doesn't ruin the community involvement that many of us have come to rely on in SC2.
(TL's lineup is fantastic, and obviously we're all brought together on their forums. I completely recognize their contributions to this community as well, but they aren't under fire here. <3 !)
THey're progamers, you'd think their first priority would be to do well in tournaments and practice, not stream NA ladder, coaching and be on talk shows. The fact that Incontrol has been such a public figure has been grounds for a lot of controversy too.
Yes, they're progamers and they are paid to play, but more importantly, paid to win.
However, you can't deny that the steps they (more specifically, certain EG players) have taken up until now have helped SC2 boom. They are a talented enough team to get themselves into top competitive form with an organized practice regimen. It may take quite a bit of time, but I guarantee they will start churning out good results.
I think that the months where they've sacrificed gameplay and results for other things have been worth it.
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i bet incontrol gets the master bedroom like a boss
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I'd love to see a FXO style web cam in the house for streaming. It wouldn't have to be every day, but perhaps once a week or so. It would allows the fans to get a better insight into the team's players.Nobody knew anything about FXO before their korea trip, but with the constant streaming in the house which allowed the community to get a better undertstanding of FXO, it sure made them a more popular team afterwards due to the exposure. I feel this could be of benefit to EG, especially with the sprinkling of bad press they have had in recent months whether deserved or not..
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Release the pictures already! Many people would like to see what the house actually looks like I think 
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On August 07 2011 20:38 flakmonkey wrote:
I'd love to see a FXO style web cam in the house for streaming. It wouldn't have to be every day, but perhaps once a week or so. It would allows the fans to get a better insight into the team's players.Nobody knew anything about FXO before their korea trip, but with the constant streaming in the house which allowed the community to get a better undertstanding of FXO, it sure made them a more popular team afterwards due to the exposure. I feel this could be of benefit to EG, especially with the sprinkling of bad press they have had in recent months whether deserved or not..
Good Idea. I an 100% down for that !
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On August 07 2011 10:06 Titnium wrote:
Any way you look at it, you either support e-sports or you don't. A vote for EG is a vote for e-sports.
So if you don't support the Dallas Cowboys you aren't supporting the NFL? There is nothing wrong with disliking teams or players in professional sports, why should e-sports be any different? If anything it grows the sport more having rivalries and popularly disliked teams/players. Someone is not killing e-sports by disliking a team or questioning the moves a team is making, that statement you made is ridiculous.
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On August 09 2011 00:49 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:06 Titnium wrote:
Any way you look at it, you either support e-sports or you don't. A vote for EG is a vote for e-sports. So if you don't support the Dallas Cowboys you aren't supporting the NFL? There is nothing wrong with disliking teams or players in professional sports, why should e-sports be any different? If anything it grows the sport more having rivalries and popularly disliked teams/players. Someone is not killing e-sports by disliking a team or questioning the moves a team is making, that statement you made is ridiculous.
if for example i hated eg and still watch eg masters cup i am killing esports why dont you get that :>
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On August 07 2011 20:34 MildSeven wrote:
i bet incontrol gets the master bedroom like a boss
Unless it's based on performance.
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On August 09 2011 00:59 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:34 MildSeven wrote:
i bet incontrol gets the master bedroom like a boss Unless it's based on performance.
I wouldn't stick Incontrol in a bunk bed. That's sort of a "Let the Wookie win" type of situation.
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On August 09 2011 00:49 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:06 Titnium wrote:
Any way you look at it, you either support e-sports or you don't. A vote for EG is a vote for e-sports. So if you don't support the Dallas Cowboys you aren't supporting the NFL? There is nothing wrong with disliking teams or players in professional sports, why should e-sports be any different? If anything it grows the sport more having rivalries and popularly disliked teams/players. Someone is not killing e-sports by disliking a team or questioning the moves a team is making, that statement you made is ridiculous.
"A => B" does not imply "not A => not B"
(A being "support EG" and B being "support esports" in this context).
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EG master cup is the best team tournament out there besides GSTL! Say whatever you want but the prize pool, teams/players involved, casting and production makes this a awesome tournament and i'm gonna follow it for sure.
People can hate EG all they want but in the end we all know that EG, TL and FXO are probably the teams that make more stuff for our community!
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On August 09 2011 00:59 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:34 MildSeven wrote:
i bet incontrol gets the master bedroom like a boss Unless it's based on performance.
If it were based on performance they'd probably all be sleeping in military grade bunk beds
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On August 09 2011 01:09 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 00:49 Duravi wrote:On August 07 2011 10:06 Titnium wrote:
Any way you look at it, you either support e-sports or you don't. A vote for EG is a vote for e-sports. So if you don't support the Dallas Cowboys you aren't supporting the NFL? There is nothing wrong with disliking teams or players in professional sports, why should e-sports be any different? If anything it grows the sport more having rivalries and popularly disliked teams/players. Someone is not killing e-sports by disliking a team or questioning the moves a team is making, that statement you made is ridiculous. "A => B" does not imply "not A => not B" (A being "support EG" and B being "support esports" in this context).
thats precisely his point...
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On August 09 2011 01:04 tooPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 00:59 GreEny K wrote:On August 07 2011 20:34 MildSeven wrote:
i bet incontrol gets the master bedroom like a boss Unless it's based on performance. I wouldn't stick Incontrol in a bunk bed. That's sort of a "Let the Wookie win" type of situation.
lolololololololol i cant stop laughing at this because its so scarily true xD
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On August 09 2011 00:49 Duravi wrote:
So if you don't support the Dallas Cowboys you aren't supporting the NFL? There is nothing wrong with disliking teams or players in professional sports, why should e-sports be any different? If anything it grows the sport more having rivalries and popularly disliked teams/players. Someone is not killing e-sports by disliking a team or questioning the moves a team is making, that statement you made is ridiculous.
supporting EG does support esports as our sports isn't as established as the NFL and other leagues. Supprting EG will show their sponsors that their money put into EG is worth it and they will continue to do so. And other companies will see the benefits and follow suit.
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On August 09 2011 01:27 Northern_iight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 00:49 Duravi wrote:
So if you don't support the Dallas Cowboys you aren't supporting the NFL? There is nothing wrong with disliking teams or players in professional sports, why should e-sports be any different? If anything it grows the sport more having rivalries and popularly disliked teams/players. Someone is not killing e-sports by disliking a team or questioning the moves a team is making, that statement you made is ridiculous. supporting EG does support esports as our sports isn't as established as the NFL and other leagues. Supprting EG will show their sponsors that their money put into EG is worth it and they will continue to do so. And other companies will see the benefits and follow suit.
This, exactly.
Another thing to consider is that E-Sports is going to grow 100% because of investment(sponsor) money. If I'm a sponsor doing due diligence on an E-Sports team, and I see lots of lots of negative response from the community toward that team, I'm more likely to reduce/withdraw my investment.
My original point however, is that many are trying to equate the accomplishments of a team like SlayerS (who are awesome, but aren't involved in the NA E-Sports community) with the accomplishments of EG, who are involved in the community, but aren't (at MLG) posting big tournament results. We need to value these teams equally for their contributions, not try to chastise one for their performance at a single event. It's short sighted and blatantly immature.
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On August 09 2011 01:27 Northern_iight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 00:49 Duravi wrote:
So if you don't support the Dallas Cowboys you aren't supporting the NFL? There is nothing wrong with disliking teams or players in professional sports, why should e-sports be any different? If anything it grows the sport more having rivalries and popularly disliked teams/players. Someone is not killing e-sports by disliking a team or questioning the moves a team is making, that statement you made is ridiculous. supporting EG does support esports as our sports isn't as established as the NFL and other leagues. Supporting EG will show their sponsors that their money put into EG is worth it and they will continue to do so. And other companies will see the benefits and follow suit.
You make sound like we need to support every single team no matter what they do in the name of esports. Can you define what you do is supporting? I support the team eg follow the team news watch all the eg tournaments. But i will not support the players since they all underperformed for a long period of time in a team suppose to be the best team in north america. I want them to cut some of their dead weight recruit some new talents. I really do not want to support blindly base on "if you not supporting eg you are not supporting esports".
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