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neo_sporin made this topic back for MLG Columbus (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228747), and a lot of people seemed to like it. So, with MLG Anaheim around the corner, I thought the community might enjoy it if this topic was brought back.
So, this topic you list 3 people you want to do well at Anaheim (this doesn't necessarily mean win the whole thing, making it to the finals bracket is good enough for most people) and 3 people that, for one reason or another, you would prefer to see go right out of MLG with no success.
So, here are mine.
Hopes to win:
Destiny - Despite the tremendous improvements in his play recently (he recently beat ST.Bomber 2-1 and ST.Ace 2-0), it seems like Destiny still gets no respect from the majority of the community. This may be because of his mannerisms, maybe not. Either way, I want Destiny to prove that he has the skills to pay the bills, and that he is a good player who is here to stay.
Any member of FXO - Players like SLoG, OptiKzErO and tgun are not well known, with no real tournament results, and they get no respect from the community. I've seen many times, them be referred to as diamond players, when they are actually capable of competing at the highest level, even though they didn't do well in GSTL. It's not just the less well known players of FXO I want to do well, after + Show Spoiler +
qxc's all-kill of IM in GSTL
he will be on a warpath in the open bracket. mOoNan bombed out of the last MLG, and after a disappointing show in GSTL, he also needs to show what he's got. Lastly, choya. A lot of people don't like him, but recently he's been a bit more liked. I hope he does well, he's a really nice guy.
SlayerS_BoxeR - Do I really have to explain this one? The Emperor, SlayerS_BoxeR. Out of Code A, BoxeR will be fighting desperately for Code S, and with how hard the Code A qualifiers are, this may be his only chance to get back into GSL. Think, if BoxeR were able to win Anaheim, with insanely skilled players such as NaNiwa, DongRaeGu and MMA around, wouldn't that be a great moment in StarCraft history? Imagine the Emperor standing on stage with a trophy, victorious once again.
Hopes to fail:
vile.Spanishiwa: How should I best explain this? You have players like tgun and Gatored, who are capable of competing at a very high level, but I'm not under some illusion that they're so good that they can go and beat MC or anything. Spanishiwa is one of those very, very few players I would actually say is overrated. Wait, wait. Don't get me wrong, he's good. He's damn good. He's beaten some great players such as TLO, but there's one thing I really hate, you see, and that is fanboys. Whether it's Halo fanboys, Broly fanboys or whatever. Spanishiwa is one of those players who has genuine fanboys that overrate him. A lot of players do, I know. Destiny does too, and I want Destiny to do well! But MAN, if you look at Husky's videos of Spanishiwa, I just get really, really annoyed. There are people saying "Spanishiwa is the greatest player of all time!" "I wonder if it's actually possible to beat Spanishiwa! He's unstoppable!" "Spanishiwa could seriously become a bonjwa!" "Spanishiwa vs MC! That would be an amazing match!" Stop it, stop it! Spanishiwa is good, but he's not that good! This exists for most players, but I have never seen it to such an aggravating extent as Spanishiwa. I hope Spanishiwa bombs out, just to shut these guys up. I should know better though. Fanboys never shut up.
sixjax.MajOr - I don't have any real problems with the guy, but after that whole SEA Tournament debacle, I hope a bit of karma comes through and gives MajOr an early exit.
RGN.SLush - I don't have any problems with SLush, and this is going to sound petty, but I'm tired of him owning up MLG when I'd much rather see a player I like in that spot. I know SLush won't even take a Code A seed, so I'm hoping someone who will take a Code A seed can place ahead of SLush.
My hopes to fail weren't the greatest, but I'm a pretty nice guy and I don't really mind who wins, even if SLush does well again, I'm not gonna rage or anything, I'm going to give him props for his achievement. If SLush manages to place highly again in this stacked tournament, he deserves serious props. That's the great thing about MLG. There's no excuses (outside of jetlag -____-), players who do well didn't fluke. They EARNED it.
I hope white-ra wins because he is the nicest guy in all of esports, and my personal favorite player. It would be cool for any non-korean to win, but I would also love Boxer to win. I would like for qxc to win and show his dominance over everyone.
As for fails, I wouldn't want destiny to win because a lot of his fans are annoying as hell. I would rather not have all koreans in the top 3. I don't want too many mirror matchups. And I want DongRaeGu to fail because he is zerg and mean to my favorite players.
I'm sad though, I'll only see the first day. 2-3 I will be on a plane headed to Monaco.
SlayerS_BoxeR - Do I really have to explain this one? The Emperor, SlayerS_BoxeR. Out of Code A, BoxeR will be fighting desperately for Code S, and with how hard the Code A qualifiers are, this may be his only chance to get back into GSL. Think, if BoxeR were able to win Anaheim, with insanely skilled players such as NaNiwa, DongRaeGu and MMA around, wouldn't that be a great moment in StarCraft history? Imagine the Emperor standing on stage with a trophy, victorious once again.
.......
What are YOUR hopes to win and fail?
I am hoping for Boxer to achieve a win... unrealistic I know. Would make for an awesome great come back story.
To fail... the many trolls and arrogant douches in the community.
Interesting list. Personally I hope Slush does well, though I wouldn't put him in my top 3. Hmm, without putting much thought into it...
To Win: WhiteRa Boxer Sheth
To Fail: Spanishiwa Haypro ???
I agree with Destiny. I hope he shows he is not as bad of a player as people say he is... too bad people will continue to call him bad anyway. I don't even constantly watch his stream or anything either, but I think he gets too much crap for his skill.
On the flip side I need to agree with Spanishiwa to fail. He has gotten nothing but constant praise, and he was marketed by Husky as some god of innovation. I really don't have anything against the guy personally, but I am so sick of hearing how amazing he is and how innovative he is. I wouldn't mind seeing him get stomped so we could hopefully see less of that.
As for Haypro... meh. I often hear how good he is, but I was never impressed by his play (or his results for that matter, though I am not saying he is awful) and his personality is very bland. I guess "fail" is quite a strong word... I really just want everyone else to do better than him in the group stages.
Hopefully this doesn't start any kind of flaming. I really don't hate any of the players.
On July 24 2011 16:33 Windows 7 wrote: I think it's flat out messed up to actually hope for someone to fail. Pretty BM, mate. Especially for Spanishiwa -
He's damn good. He's beaten some great players such as TLO, but there's one thing I really hate, you see, and that is fanboys....
....I hope Spanishiwa bombs out, just to shut these guys up.
So.... you're hoping he fails just because people like him? Really, dude?
Uh oh, I can already see people taking this way out of hand. It's just people's personal opinions of who they are cheering for... not some decision to screw them out of a tournament or something like that. Everyone cheers for different people for different reasons... once again it's just opinions. Hopefully people don't get worked up over this.
1) HasHe --- > Cuz he's a boss and I want to see him show more people that.
2) Destiny ---> for similar reasons to you. The series against Socke in IPL really impressed me even though he lost. It made it clear (imho) that he could be a VERY good pro someday if he keeps his drive to improve. He could have easily beat Socke 2-0 if he didn't make some weird mistakes in game 1.
3) IdrA/Incontrol --> mostly because I'm a bit of an IdrA fanboy, but I also enjoy hearing interviews, and the better he does, the more interviews he'll get And Incontrol is just a cuddly boss and I like seeing him do well
Do poorly:
1) Koreans ---> Don't get me wrong, Koreans are awesome, but I'm really "Foreigners FIGHTING!!" so I don't really want to see another Korean Top 3, it makes me sad when they just come in and win everything. :/ I understand that they deserve it, but is Western training still that far behind? I guess it baffles me that more players don't get their shit together and start taking stuff more seriously (*cough*IdrA*cough*)
2) Major ---> Same reasons. I get that it was a small tourney and it wasn't a HUGE deal, but come-on man. Show some class, be professional.
3) I don't really have 3 players I don't like, lol
1. IMMVP - Guy has been in a slump recently. I think the reason he took so long to gg out of his most recent loss + Show Spoiler +
to QXC in the GSTL
was not because he was trying to be BM but because he was shocked that he lost to a foreigner. I imagine his confidence must not be very high right now but I still believe he's one of the best players in the world and a win at MLG could go a long way towards boosting his confidence
2. Jinro - Basically for the same reasons as MVP. Except I don't think Jinro will ever be one of the best terrans in the world again. Nonetheless a strong showing at MLG will go a long way for him.
3. Boxer - ummm, duh?
Not gonna go into who I'd want to fail. Just not into that. These progamers practice too hard and too long to have people wishing for them to fail.
1. Boxer - Why else, he's the emperor and puts in a lot of effort. Plus I love seeing the cute little strats he is always trying to come up with to gain an advantage.
2. DRG - Pretty monstrous zerg, really hoping he does well at MLG and can see how much the fans like him :D
3. Destiny - I'm not really into his antics on his stream but I like his mass infestor play style, pretty nice and unique :D
This could be a fine thread if people manage to realize that personal opinions are purely that, personal opinions. Hoping for somebody to fail is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that theres some kind of outright hatred for that person, and arguing over it is stupid, to be frank.
Huk-I cannot even think of a reason to say why he should win or go far with out saying something obvious, I think MLG should be added to his list of accomplishments and I was bummed when I found out he wasnt going to be at columbus, Im so happy he is here now.
Boxer-Lim Yo Hwan is the freakin emperor. It was a sad day for esports when some no namer decided to take him out of the GSL. Its time for him to take it back.
Open Bracket-I want someone from the open bracket to make a legendary run, and give us a new name
Hopes to fail
Dong Rae Gu-I have always disliked him for some reason, Although I can't really place it. I guess its because he has all of this clamor of fans, despite not putting up any results other than team league.
Destiny-I feel like he is so overrated, yes hes good, but definitely not "get past open bracket" good
Not top 3 Korean-It would be nice to have a foreigner on the podium (I am one of those people that define Huk as Foreigner)
EDIT: *** and MVP because he beat MKP and made me very sad, twice
On July 24 2011 16:40 Loki57 wrote: This could be a fine thread if people manage to realize that personal opinions are purely that, personal opinions. Hoping for somebody to fail is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that theres some kind of outright hatred for that person, and arguing over it is stupid, to be frank.
I'm already regretting posting because I know this won't be the case. Oh well, I'll just leave it as it is and see how many people flame me when I wake up tomorrow. :D
I'd have to agree with the point you made about spanishiwa, but really, you get that kind of praise from anyone who hasn't seen the full picture, and it is depressing how many people only stick to one caster and don't think to stray from youtube.
I'll also have to disagree for the same reasons on destiny. If he tells one of his student's a build is unbeatable, the community calls it the "destiny 4gate". If destiny uses an overpool in a match, people make a thread titled "destiny's 11pool 18hatch". And it is disgusting how he manages to make only infestors and succede, even as a zerg player. It feels like I, as well as many a player better than me, take steps to break down a match-up, hard work to descipher what is best and what isn't, and destiny just steps in and says "INFESTORS!" it feels like he is the new cruncher, making the race look easy and begging for a nerf. I really hope infested terrans get removed soon so you can't take down a freeking planatary with a support caster.
My 3 to succede: Pheonix, watching this guy stream is so entertaining, and he makes zerg look strait imba with his fast 3 hatch style. IdrA: say what you will about his attitude but he deserves another win in my book. Bandanaman: you've probably heard of why.
3 to fail: The koreans: I want team USA to take this one hot off of + Show Spoiler +
qxc's all kill
Spanishiwa: same reasons as OP Destiny: surprise surprise
To win 1- MVP: I`m just a huge fan love everything about him and can`t wait for his comeback. 2- IdrA:always root for him 3- Whitera: Special tactics To fail: The other koreans so some fanboys can shut up.
On July 24 2011 16:40 Loki57 wrote: This could be a fine thread if people manage to realize that personal opinions are purely that, personal opinions. Hoping for somebody to fail is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that theres some kind of outright hatred for that person, and arguing over it is stupid, to be frank.
I'm already regretting posting because I know this won't be the case. Oh well, I'll just leave it as it is and see how many people flame me when I wake up tomorrow. :D
Well I'd be fine with that too but I'm pretty sure its gonna cause a little headache for the poor mods hopefully we can just be grown-ups about it ._.
Boxer - he will always be a hero Destiny - he has been working hard for months and he's due for an even better showing Sterling - a relative nobody, but his stream is cool, he's very humble, and he's quite good considering his lack of publicity.
Fail:
Desrow - I don't even know if he's going. He's just a dick. Major - see above Machine - the guy has been riding his beta/early SC2 wave for so long. He's also a member of EG, and my respect for them is at an all time low
Hopes does well: IdrA - Love that kid and he needs a win. Destiny - Plays like I do, inspirational, great stream, ready to prove himself in a LAN. Catz - Destiny's twin zerg hero.
Hopes does not well: Major Anyone that goes double 11 rax. Terran players in general.
Sheth: really want to see Sheth pull out a good result after all that's happened regarding him. Boxer: self-explanatory Tyler: just another guy that I want to see post up good results. always liked Tyler because he was such a chill dude (is he playing as Nony now or is that just another account of his?)
Changing the format to fit what i want to write =)
Who I want to see do well:
SlayersBoxer (cause he is The Emperor and I have had the privilage of seeing him play live once already and it was just a nerdchilling experience)
Destiny (Cause I just really want him to succeed. Because I genuinely like him as a purpose. Anyone who can stay true to themselves regardless, and bases their arguments and decisions off of logic rather than peer pressure/societies demands is kick ass in my book)
Thorzain (Cause I just think he is awsome. And his level of play always astonishes/amazes me since TSL. He performed AMAZINGLY and was the underdog in EVERY one of his matches and just came to every game VERY well prepared. And i like his style of play. SOLID. Not Cheesy/gimmicky... just solid mechanics)
Also want to see Tyler do well cause he hasnt in a long time, and I think he needs a win. Want to see Idra do well, because I am a BW fan and want/need someone to prove that this game is more skill/mechanics based than dice roll like SC2 was earlier in the game.
O and i want Sheth and Gretorp to do amazingly. Because both are 2 of the coolest/nicest guys ever.
O and the Koreans. Because I think the better the Koreans do, more foreign players will have to practise/focus more which = even better games and higher levels of play in all games int he future, which is amazing for all spectators.
Who I dont want to see at all:
Husky on the mainstage. Reading/finding out he was one of the caster teams made me cry a little that the one MLG i have gotten to go to so far, he will be most likely casting on the mainstage one of the days. Some people LOVE husky casting, I am just simply not one of them.
Destiny is an awesome guy, I watch is stream all the time. He's been practicing super hard lately, and I would love to see him shove that in Deezer's face. Hah. Having him getting sponsored or on a great team as a result would also be VERY awesome.
QXC just because I want him in the GSL. He could go so far looking at his most recent DOMINATION.
Jinro, because I miss the chin! =p
I don't really want to see koreans win at all, even though a few of them I support very much, just because I really want to see foreigners starting to succeed against them. My dream will come one day!!
Major acted like a douche in that SEA tourny, not really a fan of his anymore.
Hope to win : 1- SlayerS_BoXeR (that might bring tears in my eyes) 2- Qxc (He really impressed me latey and I would love to see him confirm some past results) 3- DRG (I just expect the best player to win, and I'm confident that this guy is the next big thing in SC2)
Hope to fail : mmhhhh... I don't wish failure for any player in particular...
The only person I hope fails is MajOr. The guy is good but he lost a shit ton of respect from me recently.
My hopes to succeed are Mvp, DongRaeGu and HuK. They are, in my opinion, the three best players there, and thus I want them to do well. Plus they all have other reasons for me to wish them well.
Mvp because he's been slumping lately and I'd really love to see him get back on form. Seeing his depression after + Show Spoiler +
losing in the GSTL
really saddened me.
DongRaeGu because he's a beastly zerg who's playing in his first foreign tournament.
Naniwa is the one i want to do the best... along with Thorzain i suppose. They're both showing they have the balls to go to korea, and i would love for them (or one of them, preferably Nani) to grab a code s spot before their arrival.
Also love to see huk do well, he deserves it. If i had to pick someone to win, Boxer or MMA. Either back to back champ, or boxer show he's been practicing like crazy, and love to see him become a SC2 champ... plus i think it would make him want to practice more and play better.
Also love to see TLO show something good since his unfortunate injury. Tyler as well, he seems confident.
DRG will pwn regardless of what i would like so that should be awesome.
...And like a billion other players!!!! Gotz damn, i wish everyone could do well.
gl to everyone!
Edit: poster above me made me remember White-ra, kinda falls under same category as DRG tho. gl to him.
And I hope idra does well unless he bitches about imbalance, in which case i hope he bombs out early on to a no name.
Hopes for success: NoNy/Tyler - He's the most chill person around... and I really want him to win because for some reason it feels like he's the only TL guy not shining too much. Missing the broodwar days. =(
BoxeR - He's BoxeR
iNControL - He's due for a tournament win... like seriously. I want to see him crush a trophy in his big muscly arms.
Hopes for failure:
No one. Because IMO that's just being mean. SixjaxMajor - I dislike his attitude towards ESPORTS.
It's still pretty hypocritical when you say spanishiwa to fail and destiny to succeed. Destiny is probably more overhyped, but just has more anti fans.
Anyways, hopes to succeed:
MVP - He's better than he's shown, and I think he's been upset too many times lately. Ro 32 seems to be his bane more than protosses.
MMA - Also better than his past results, and he won MLG and got to the finals of the super tournament legitimately, and is there any doubt in anyone's mind that his late game is not amazing to watch? If he wins he can get straight into code S but this time around will be harder than the last time most likely.
Boxer- When boxer does well, the scene gets a ton of attention. The more attention the better.
All these guys are korean, and all these guys work really hard so why not? Personally I'd rather play and follow a game that rewards hard work rather than 3 hours of practice a day *cough*.
Hopes to fail - no one in particular, but if you don't practice hard you don't deserve to win over someone who puts all their effort into something
win it!! 1) Destiny - does so well versus the KR style 2) IdrA - Hopefully he's actually practicing for more than a few hrs/day. 3) This spot used to be reserved for Phoenix.. sigh
lose.. I wouldn't wish for anyone to just lose. Everyone puts in a lot of effort to succeed and for someone to wish them to lose is pretty pathetic. GL everyone!
I'm surprised at the spanishiwa dislike going on(not hatred though!)
My top 3 to succeed:
#1 - FXOqxc - You've probably heard why. #2 - MVPDRG - lols k. The best early - mid game ZvT in the world currently? #3 - dSeleCT - I feel like his starting to lose his game sense. I hope this MLG is better for him.
Bottom 3:
#1 - vileSpanishwa - His style of play is outdated and players know its weakness. #2 - EGincontrol - His attitude deserves it. #3 - Sheth - The unwillingness to stay in Korea when he was the captain of his team lost respect from me.
All of these are personal opinions, and if you disagree with any of them qq about them in your head. Ty.
to win: IdrA - IMO always deliver awesome games, even when he is loseing, truly amazing player. Boxer - always get my insta-vote, hope he will do an amazing comeback. Whitera - really love his style, great player.
to lose: destiny - blind ghost/high templar against him and he is back to being low level player. Major - obvious reasons Koreans - Foreigners FIGHTING !!!!
Foreigners - At first I was going to list Koreans under hope to lose, but that would be silly. I want the Koreans to do great, I just want the foreigners do just as well, or better. If SC2 ends up like BW I will probably lose most interest in SC2.
FXO - After all the effort the owners/leaders of FXO have put into SC2, I really hopes it pays off. Both as sponsors and also as a clan.
I want liquidtyler, idra, and whitera to win. Tyler is chill, idra is just cool, and whitera has his special tactics. I want to see the people who face the people above do terribly.
Boxer - Come on? Who does not want to see Boxer in shape? He is so good mechanically and can pull the most random stuff out of nowhere, come from behind, and just knows the game so well that no matter how far behind he is, you cannot count him out.
QXC - He is Captain America right now, and we have all heard of him. After recent events + Show Spoiler +
that was the GSTL all-kill
he is confident and on fire. Look for him to make a good showing.
White-Ra - I love the guy. He is creative, fun, and very manner. I like that he pushes the boundary on styles of play and ways to be awesome. I would love to see him do well in an American showing.
I am going to break the rules because I want to add Sjow in there. He is so good.
Fail:
Machine - eh...he seems like a cool guy from interviews and whatnot, but really I do not think he is that great of a player. I am tired of seeing him.
SCDPride - First of all, I was surprised to see his name on the list. Well, come on, this is Pride. I don't want to see all-ins and crap all day, not to mention he is a huge troll.
FXOChoya - Not for any reason other than I find him boring to watch. Nothing personal, keep on playing, I am just, at least at this time, not interested in seeing you play in top matches.
On July 24 2011 16:55 MonkSEA wrote: I'm surprised at the spanishiwa dislike going on(not hatred though!)
My top 3 to succeed:
#1 - FXOqxc - You've probably heard why. #2 - MVPDRG - lols k. The best early - mid game ZvT in the world currently? #3 - dSeleCT - I feel like his starting to lose his game sense. I hope this MLG is better for him.
Bottom 3:
#1 - vileSpanishwa - His style of play is outdated and players know its weakness. #2 - EGincontrol - His attitude deserves it. #3 - Sheth - The unwillingness to stay in Korea when he was the captain of his team lost respect from me.
All of these are personal opinions, and if you disagree with any of them qq about them in your head. Ty.
Wow I feel the exact exact same thing about SeleCT. It's not like his mechanics are not pristine any more, but he's fucking up on the game sense ): . Qxc gogogogo!
what's up with incontrol being in a lot of the fail section? One guy said "because his attitude" What the fuck? you see him last mlg where losira kb failed. ur all a bunch o dick 'eads
Boxer - I know it's been said a thousand times in this thread already but come on. He's the emperor! Nothing would make me happier than watching him lift that trophy.
White-Ra - Another popular choice, grandpa Toss is just too awesome to lose. Boxer vs. White-Ra finals would be the sickest thing ever.
Tyler - I just really want to see him do well for a change. Such an awesome guy.
I don't really like listing people who I want to see fail.
On July 24 2011 17:05 IPA wrote: This thread makes me a little sad inside.
it would make you less sad if their wasn't a "those you want to fail" option.
Come on guys. that's just a little fucked up.
How? There are haters for players and teams of other sports (Yankees for one) I hate making that argument, but I don't see anything wrong with people talking about those players that they do not like.
I like reading this thread because it builds hype, for the successes and the failures.
I will probably f5 this thread until MLG Anaheim is over
Naniwa, always rooted for the guy, even before he was widely considered 1 of the best protoss'. Haypro, I like his overall playstyle, too bad he has alot of major hiccups. To get high, but not to win, Idra. Why? Becouse his interviews are some of the best ones available. If stars align he gets knocked out of tournament by a toss he thinks is bad.
Screw up. Ret. He always gets praised for his macro, but thats all I see him capable of. His overall gamesense and decision making will never allow him to become 1 of the best players. TLO (His coming, right?), I just think his overrated. His not bad by any means, but I feel a bit too much of his success relies on his playstyle and character, not the skell. Destiny and Spanishwa. Just don't like the playstyle of either of the players. Destinys playstyle just feel so predictable and spanishwa is just bad in my opinion. Not to say Destiny is bad, his not, but he should expand his playstyle beyond infestors at every situation at every matchup. You can't win a tournament if opponent knows what you do beforehand.
I'm hoping QXC, Boxer, and all of the liquid guys do well.
I don't like the idea of listing people that I wish to fail, as it is not only disrespectful (which would be hypocritical, as I'd likely list players that are disrespectful) but also its highly redundant when you also list people that you want to succeed. I have people that I secretly wish to fail, but I'm not going to post some petty, garbage reason that really doesn't help anyone.
1) Spanishiwa: cause he's the greatest SC2 player in the world. 2) TLO: I like his playstyle, and he does good stuff for the community (ei. his charity streaming) 3) JulyZerg: I like his aggresive micro, and he doesn't afraid of anything. (I dunno if he's attending MLG or not)
Fails:
1) Major: It's hard to cheer for someone when they have such a bad personality. 2) Incontrol: Flames TL threads, and seems fairly childish. 3) Catz: Saw him constantly flame the other team while streaming his HoN games. Come on man, this is exactly the type of thing that makes the dota/hon/lol communities incredibly shitty. =(
1. Liquid`Tyler - To be honest, I feel he's a really smart player that just doesn't practice enough to actually succeed and get some big tournament wins under his belt, I really really hope thaet before Anaheim, he decided to steup up his game and actually practice and take it all much more seriously.
2. Boxer - Just because he's awesome and hasn't been shining lately.
3. Sheth - He's a really amazing player that I feel people look at and say 'oh hey, it's Sheth, he's really good' then move on. I think he deserves a big tournament win like MLG, he's put a lot of work into the game and a lot of thought, and I think he certainly has the ability to win MLG.
Hopes to fail -
Man, I don't dislike anyone. :[ (except for maybe Desrow)
1. Desrow - he's an asshole.
2. CatZ - I feel he doesn't put enough time into the game to really succeed, I see him stream HoN often and playing Starstrikers a lot of the time, and he hasn't been able to make a big splash. I feel like he has potential, but I feel he doesn't play enough to really get better and compete with the 'big boys'
3. Cruncher - I just don't like him, his playstyle and I don't think I ever will. o.o
Winning: 1) DRG - basically because I wanna see him in Code S next reason, rather than struggling through the qualifiers again and maybe not even making Code A 2) Boxer - duh 3) Naniwa - he looked unstoppable leading up to the TSL3 final and since then has been still playing well, but seems to have lost his aura of dominance. I wanna see a strong performance from him
Losing: 1) Ret - nothing against the guy, I just have a feeling that this isn't gonna be his tournament 2) Rain - playing through the open bracket, but it looks pretty strong. I don't see him qualifying for the group stages 3) Jinro - again, I'm a huge Jinro fan but based on his recent form and the strength of the open bracket, he's gonna have his work cut out for him here
Wins: 1. TLO!!!!! I love him and he does so much good for the community. 2. Boxer. nothing else to say about that 3. White-ra: because he's awesome and special tektics.
Fails: 1. Major: The stuff you do consistently puts progaming in an annoying and useless light to people outside the profession altogether and the community. 2. Spanishiwa: You rode your little style way overboard on popularity, and have yet to do anything huge in tournaments against the better players in the world. 3. Koreans (minus boxer): I just want some foreigners in the top 3, I really hope they have been practicing or we will see another Korean invasion this MLG.
Destiny - He's improving sooo fast, and beating some really good players. Jinro - in a huge slump, went from ro4 quality to the bottom of Code A, IMMvp - Has really been in a slump lately. He's so insane when he performs, but lately is just playing way under his standards.
To do well: Boxer and any slayers member DRG megumi - she is awesome Huk because hes friends with MC and MC is funny.
All of my hopes to do well are all foreign players besides megumi, she is just an awesome person. Yes i say Huk is foreign because he lives and practice in korea, and he is also from canada so hes basically foreign to the US.
Hope to fail: Destiny - just because most people think hes going to do well but i doubt he will win majority of his games. Dragon pwned him 4-1. He wont have time to analyze his opponents to develop a main game plan. Idra- he is a baby and cries too much, he just needs to have fun instead of getting stomped by MC
Everyone else can do bad so my players can do well.
1)QXC - inspirational run in the GSTL 2)Idra - always entertaining 3)Boxer - do we need a reason?
honorables: Sheth, Tyler, Incontrol, Catz, TLO, DRG, painuser, HD
rooting against:
1)MMA - just cause i want there to be a different podium every MLG 2)Ganzi - never really liked his playstyle, or lack thereof 3)Major - for all the reasons previously mentioned
1. Liquid`Tyler: He is one of the best players in the world..... If he would commit more time to the game and I feel like he has been practicing well. 2. Destiny: Really unrespected and unappreciated. 3. LzGamer, Incontrol, etc.
Fail:
Koreans: Want foreigners to reign supreme for once.
On July 24 2011 17:15 Mayor wrote: Hopes to succeed
1. Liquid`Tyler - To be honest, I feel he's a really smart player that just doesn't practice enough to actually succeed and get some big tournament wins under his belt, I really really hope thaet before Anaheim, he decided to steup up his game and actually practice and take it all much more seriously.
2. Boxer - Just because he's awesome and hasn't been shining lately.
3. Sheth - He's a really amazing player that I feel people look at and say 'oh hey, it's Sheth, he's really good' then move on. I think he deserves a big tournament win like MLG, he's put a lot of work into the game and a lot of thought, and I think he certainly has the ability to win MLG.
Hopes to fail -
Man, I don't dislike anyone. :[ (except for maybe Desrow)
1. Desrow - he's an asshole.
2. CatZ - I feel he doesn't put enough time into the game to really succeed, I see him stream HoN often and playing Starstrikers a lot of the time, and he hasn't been able to make a big splash. I feel like he has potential, but I feel he doesn't play enough to really get better and compete with the 'big boys'
3. Cruncher - I just don't like him, his playstyle and I don't think I ever will. o.o
Wait a second... You want Tyler to succeed because he doesn't play enough and you want Catz to fail because he doesn't play enough?
Idra 3-0 MC. Just for the kick of it gotta see the look on MC after that kind of loss, and I really dig that "not really noticeable, but you can almost be sure you saw something at the corner of your eye" kinda "evil smile" Idra gets after he beats someone noteworthy. Nothing can beat that.
On July 24 2011 16:51 Dattish wrote: Boxer - While Boxers level is definitly above the average MLGer, I feel like the invite should've gone to someone who actually preforms well in the GSL atm.
How can you hope for Boxer to lose? Are you even a Starcarft fan? Hoping for Boxer to lose is like blasphemy!!
Hope to win: SlayerS_'BoxeR' - Would be so bad ass to see the emperor win this.
White-Ra
Liquid'Jinro
Hope to lose: I guess I'll go with any of the EG players, haven't been much of a fan of them lately.
success: 1. boxer 2. jinro 3. team it's gosu. These guys don't really get much credit and aren't too much in the limelight, but their manager and all the players i've met have been super chill!!
Liquid - Huk obviously has the best chances, even against the slew of Koreans, but I think a win for either Tyler, TLO, Ret, or Haypro would be nice. Jinro's been in a bit of slump, so of course everyone wants him to turn it around and dominate like he did a few months ago.
DRG, MVP, MMA - I would've included Alicia too, but you can't conveniently fit his name into three letters. I want them all to steal our prize money and give the foreigners some replays to study, so that we can actually put up a fight when Blizzcon rolls around.
all-kill (does this really even need to be spoilered)
was fun to watch, but if he shows that he can beat players like MVP consistently, his chances of going back to Korea after school is done increase dramatically. Also, three-letter-name bias.
To lose:
No one in particular. There's a couple of players whose personalities are pretty detestable, but if they have the skill to do well, their personality means nothing.
Do Well: Alicia- my favorite player, about time he's won something DRG- best zvter in the world imho and should be in gsl code s and crushing face in gsl also HD Starcraft- ok jking jinro- he's been in such a slump lately, and I hope he can give us a reason to cheer for him like we did in gsl open season 3 and gsl jan. Hopefully gets his "eye of the tiger" back from the same tournament that gave him that edge last year.
Do bads: major- idk i just don't like this guy, after all the drama and all the hype he's one of these players that, at the end of the day, i just don't like. the whole debacle with the sea tournament really shed light on me that he's a bit of a selfish person and only cares for himself(i hope this isn't true) MMA - i just think this guy is overrated, lets look @ what he's done recently- lost 0-4 to polt, lost 0-2 to puzzle, and lost an ace match to DRG (he's suposed to be the ultimate closer), slayers didn't even bother to send him out against tsl. i've always kind of thought this guy was overrated, but sadly I think my own instincts were correct this time, MMA was a fluke. (alicia is the best player on slayers =P) huk- im sorry, but after all these months, i'm still not a fan, call me crazy, i know, but i still remember the "top 3 control" interview, huk's kind of overachieved in my opinion, huk's opponents at dreamhack were good players, but his road to the finals was a lot easier than anybody else's: predy, socke, july, moon. @ homestory he won 2 pvps, but that was it. I'm sad to say i'm just not impressed with his play and i hope some of his fanboys will start to shut up, cause there's no way he has top 3 control
Hope to do well: White-ra: no comment needed i think TLO: he was not able to show how good he is in the last months. Even so he is not in good shape right now i hope he wins some nice games. Socke: i like him and i think he deserves some more spotlight (and i hope HDstarcraft makes it some rounds in the open bracket^^)
Hope to fail: EGIncontrol: its not that i dislike him but sometimes he is a real douchebag every Korean. i don't want them to take all the top seeds. CatZ: he is a very weak player right now
Win: Boxer - Because he's Boxer. Incontrol - I think he's a standup guy and he has a really good attitude. He deserves some success after giving so much to the scene. QXC - After seeing his recent performances, I'd like nothing more than to see him come in and take some nerds' ladder points.
Lose: Sheth - He lost a ton of respect from me when he left Korea after only being there for two weeks. I could write a paragraph-long rant on this, but I'll sum it up in one sentence: It bothers me that he only gave it two weeks, and it's just disrespectful to leave when you're the captain of a team, and you're squandering an opportunity that so many players would die to have. Major - For the same reasons that everyone else has said. It's really a shame to see such a talented player have such a bad attitude.
To Win: WhiteRa, because he cares Open Bracket Liquid Players, Jinro and Tyler need to show previous brilliance Demuslim, my favorite player to watch
To lose: Major, last MLG, where he manner Muled before the game was close to being over was a dick move MVP, MVP will be one of the players that foreigners can count as an achievement if they beat him.
On July 24 2011 17:37 FinnGamer wrote: To Win: WhiteRa, because he cares Open Bracket Liquid Players, Jinro and Tyler need to show previous brilliance Demuslim, my favorite player to watch
To lose: Major, last MLG, where he manner Muled before the game was close to being over was a dick move MVP, MVP will be one of the players that foreigners can count as an achievement if they beat him.
What about Nani's dancing zealots of death? That was rather un-mannered as well, but is it okay because he still lost afterwards?
- HDStarcraft, would be hilarious. - BoxeR, rooted for him since he started SC2 and have not given up hope, yet. - IdrA, I dislike the actions that Idra does against other players. But whenever I see him play, I seriously want him to win. Every. Single. Time.
To win: QXC - Gotta love this guy, he's really good now w a great personality HuK - Love this guy Jinro - Needs to get some confidence White-Ra: Bombed out of NASL for being to greedy, hope he plays more solid and less fancy
To fail: MAjor - Dislike his name changing and that SEA tourney thing, i also dislike his manner mules (only his) Destiny - I used to like him, but i was watching his stream and he said smth like "I was gonna win a game, then i started lagging, so the guy lifts his buildings and waits for me to lag out, it's a fuckign joke, fucking hate this server (korea)" Geez, it's just the ladder
To win: MajOr: He's a really good player, say what you will about his attitude. Choya: He seems like a really nice guy, and people dislike him for some reason MVP: Really good player, seems like he's in a slump.
Hoping he pulls out some new stuff, and really prepares some builds that don't feature QUITE so many infestors. I don't think he has any chance of making it all the way without them, but I'd like to see him go deep in the tournament regardless. He's just fun to watch.
Honorable Mentions: Spanishiwa, Catz, Sen. Other than Sen, none of these players are what I would initially consider the very best of SC2 pros, but anyone that says they don't like seeing Catz proxy-hatch someone or Spanishiwa's army of queens drop a million transfuses is a dirty liar. And Sen... Well. YOU SEE. YOU SEE. No, but seriously, you newbie.
Terran: TLO
It's freakin TLO, man! I love seeing him just throws standard unit compositions completely out the window, and no pro loves Nukes more than him. Also, I'm just really excited to see him back in (what I hope will be) top form, after a lackluster performance in NASL.
Honorable mentions: Thorzain, Select, QXC. Thorzain's style and ability really impressed me in the TSL, and I've always loved Select's relentless harass from all sides. And, of course, with QXC's recent performance in the GSTL, I think we'd all like to see him given a chance to go back and bring some more pain.
Protoss: WHITE-RA
Special Tactics. You see. Is good. For much the same reason as TLO - If White-Ra gets his bearings in a game, crazy shit gonna happen, and I love every minute of it.
Honorable Mentions: MC, Ace, and InControl. I just love MC's personality (and interviews - penix imba-imba!), and Ace... I dunno, man, after NASL it seems like he's just always willing to base-trade, and there were some incredibly epic games with him where nobody had shit. As for InControl, I don't really have any interest in his play, to be honest, but he seems like a pretty cool dude and I like him on the webshows and as a caster.
You may notice I didn't mention Boxer. And you know why? Because it's Freaking Boxer and I don't have to mention him for you to know I want him to win the whole thing.
If there's one person in the world that I'd want to do well - it's definitely LimYoHwan. Not only because "hes limyohwan, duh", but also because a lot of people just say that "he's all washed up and should stop it", that is the definitely the wrong attitude to project onto others. He could finally show something to those naysayers if he did well in MLG.
Other two. Hm. Well Nada is in a similar position, I guess I have a sweet spot for the old guys who still got it. And of course my favorite player - idra the lovable IBM monster.
Players who I'd not like to do well - MC. As much as I've changed my mind about him, I used to hate him for cheesing whitera out of DH, I still think he's a bit too cocky for his own good. I guess that's it.
On July 24 2011 17:05 IPA wrote: This thread makes me a little sad inside.
it would make you less sad if their wasn't a "those you want to fail" option.
Come on guys. that's just a little fucked up.
How? There are haters for players and teams of other sports (Yankees for one) I hate making that argument, but I don't see anything wrong with people talking about those players that they do not like.
I like reading this thread because it builds hype, for the successes and the failures.
I will probably f5 this thread until MLG Anaheim is over
i guess it's not terrible, but most of the reasons are stupid. I also hate when people make that point btw. SC should be taken seriously as a sport, but trying to imitate them in every way is a bit pathetic. The people that watch SC2 aren't the same people who watch baseball (for the most part). We're aloud to be unique, and we're aloud to have our own identity.
I guess i can see your point though. Like i said, some of the reasons just seem really stupid. like OP saying he wants slush to "Fail" because he won't take a GSL seed. Just seems a little harsh
I'd like to see jinro put up a good result. Don't know if he can take 1st but anything in the top 3 would be a good to get him on the right track again. Dream final would be huk/drg in the finals if thats possible despite them being in the same group. as for losses no one in particular but i'd like to see a couple new faces in the top seeds.
An EG zerg other than Idra. Machine and Strifecro are both very skilled and I really hope they can bring their A-game and beat some Koreans.
Sheth. He showed a lot of promise during his short stay in Korea and I really think he has what it takes to do well, if he believes he can do it.
Destiny. Amazingly fun player to watch, a pioneer of infestor usage. If his macro can stay strong and if he can win battles cost effectively I think he can finally breakout and do well in a tournament.
Hopes to fail:
Idra. I don't have anything against the guy and I enjoy his occasional BM in-game. I think he will do very well, but he has mental blocks that he needs to overcome for him to win. I respect the guy as a player and an individual, but as long as he thinks zerg isn't "supposed to win", I don't want him to win.
The Koreans. I want MLG Anaheim's top eight to be mostly foreigners. If you watch streams you know that all the Americans and Europeans have a grudge right now, they want to beat the Koreans and have generally been practicing harder than ever before. I hope the Koreans are given a run for their money this weekend.
Tyler/Nony: This is my #1 hope for Anaheim...seeing Tyler show some of his incredible potential in a tournament setting. The last few months have been pretty tough for us Tyler fans; but if he dedicates himself properly, I'm sure he can dominate anew. NOOOONY!
Slayers_Boxer: He's the Emperor. He's also been having a tough last few months, and a big win or two in Anaheim could go a long way towards putting him back in form. Plus, you know, he's the Emperor.
Jinro: Same deal. Awesome player, awesome mod from way back when (FrozenArbiter fighting!), and someone who's also been fading from the limelight recently. A good run at MLG could give him a much-needed confidence boost, and perhaps even rocket him back to the top of the scene where he belongs.
Win: (Realistically) DRG / The guy's a beast. (Unrealistically) Boxer / Free Code S + Proof he's good? Hell yeah (Realistically) MMA / Deserves Code S so bad
All the FXO guys and HD, for the lulz
Lose: can't think of anyone. Maybe Idra, just because it won't be as interesting.
Wait, wait.. let me get this straight.. you guys hope vileSpanishiwa fails because SOMEONE ELSE hyped him up? That's pretty fucked up and retarded on levels unimaginable.
Rooting to win/do well: coLTriMaster (brother) Boxer (want him in Code S or at least Code A again =( ) MVP (one of my favorite players, think he can definitely make it to Code S)
mentionables: Sterling, Destiny, MMA
Rooting to fail: Major - manner DRG - Just my opinion that he is overrated (not a top 2 finish). I think he is good enough for a top 5 finish though. Spanisha - Same reason as DRG.
I'm not saying, "I HOPE THEY FAIL" in regards to DRG and Spanishwa, but just that I think they are not as good as everyone says they are (though "not good" to DRG means not finishing top 2 at MLG).
you should call this thread: 3 hopes to succeed, 3 players I take a shit on.
It started out alright with the 3 to succeed but when it comes to fail it's so biased and pretty bm that it's a blogpost at best. Regarding spanishiwa you want him to fail so his fanboys will shut up, which they wont as you said yourself. I dont get it. Major...sure he maybe has it coming but after the whole sea thing I'm pretty sure what the community thinks. Yet here you are saying how you want him to fail at keeping up his livelihood. That's pretty fucked up really. Regarding Slush it doesnt matter where he places and doesnt take a code a spot, it will just go to the next one down so that isnt even relevant.
I'm just gonna break the rules and list everyone I'm cheering for
-Tyler - chillToss will return! -TLO - not only is he generally considered an underdog against most big-names, but his CTS makes him an even bigger underdog - but he's so creative and talented, it would be amazing for him to dominate -Jinro - again-same! XD -Huk - keep rackin' them wins -Boxer - self-explanatory -MMA - son of Boxer xD -Destiny - same sentiment as OP
Boxer- just thinking about him in the finals, onstage and people cheering for him gets me all riled up with nerd chills. Such an awesome dude.
Besides boxer, i have a lot of love for most of the players, so it's tough to pick out individuals. Would be cools to see HD do well just to promote his casting,
Idra- I like Idra, and wouldn't mind seeing him go far in the tourney, but I don't think he deserves a win with his mentality.
I am not a fan of CoL, mainly due to it seems that these guys just have a lot of money, but I don't think any of their players have a lot of skill, excluding their recent Korean pick ups.
Sheth- seems like a cool dude and I love how respectful and polite he is, but after ditching his team in Korea, as their capatin after merely two weeks, he doesnt seem like champion material to me. If you want to be a pro, act like one.
Love how some people have really "hipster" attitude towards certain players, specially with Spanishiwa; "his fans are so annoying" "Husky hyped him" "he's gone too far with his 'innovative' build" I'd expect a little more depth in those "hopes to fail" but then again, opinions are opinions whether they seem justified or not, I guess...
Win: Huk: He's really talented and works really hard. Spanishiwa: Creative playstyle (White-Ra also qualifies for this). Idra: Needs to control his emotions a little bit, but his macro is so solid.
Personality-wise: qxc: Funny, nice, a little narcissist and a great player. Boxer: He has such a good vibe and is an icon of e-sports. Choya: Loved him talking to himself in the booth and really like him as a coach, seems to be very active and passionate in his role.
Not-so-cool: Sheth: Good player but leaving his team while being the captain... that's a little bit dissapointing, he could have improved a lot staying in Korea.
Win: 1) MMA: I am a huge MMA fan and have been since his emergence in the GSTL. He hasn't been doing as well, but that doesn't mean I don't find him extremely entertaining and endearing. He isn't the best, but he's my favorite.
2) BoxeR: How can you not root for him?
3) QXC: Yes, this is a little flavor of the month (week?) I realize. Even so, I really liked his casting with wolf, and basically being the only FXO foreigner to actually show significant improvement. He's also a quirky and entertaining guy. Lose: 1) Sheth: I don't get it. I have no idea how he has gotten so many fans. It seems like it happened over night. A lot of it has to do with him being "manner" which is a term I intensely loathe. I have nothing against Sheth, but I have never been really impressed by his play and I am not attracted to him being so "manner".
2) MVP: I'm really tired of people saying MVP is the best terran in the world. MVP hasn't shown any brilliance in a long time. He's quite good. Amazing even. He could still be top 10 terran in the world, but he isn't the best. I mean, his banshee control isn't THAT bad.
3) Foreigners: More specifically bad(most) foreigners.Yeah, call me a hater, but I am so tired of foreigners for the most part being extremely lazy and bad. I'm so tired of watching games with foreigners in them and seeing all their fans when in reality 70% of the foreigner "pros" can't hold a candle to even mediocre koreans. It's time to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Positive: - Top 10 Korean (including SeleCT) As it stands I do not believe in more than a handful of players currently to be able to really stand stronger in comparison to the scene one year from now. I still think we need to get our asses kicked to shape up, we have to not only become ridiculously good but catch up as well. I'm scared it's sort of plausible to have close to none foreign heroes to root for, one year from now.
- NaNiwa #1 The only foreigner I truly get passionate about him having success. I love his story, I love how he climbed to the top. And now he plays brilliantly, I get tingly every match. Always feel he has everything planned out, incredibly solid play. <3 Also we have been able to see him develop as a person and it reveals a very amiable personality. Do well and Code S or bust!
- The whole FXO team After all the critique they have recieved over the past months they have an amazing opportunity to sweep into the championship bracket and show that their plan and philosophy is already paying dividends and everyone wishes they bought shares earlier.
Honorable mention: - Jinro and HuK Like all my reasoning, they represent a lot of excellent qualities. Hardwork dedication, sacrifice. I have much respect for it, it must be incredibly hard. So not only do I hope they do well because of their story but also because once again they represent the dominating Korean way to practice, which I'm a huge fan girl of.
- IdrA Whether you care about the various antics surrounding him or are one of the ballers who doesn't give a shit and only cares about the game he plays, he really is one of the best players the foreign scene has to offer, for him not to be able to beat the Koreans and place himself amongst them would be a terrible blow. Indicating the Korean saucers are closer than we think :o
Negative: I have no real negatives, I want everyone to play their best, show good games. And have whatever wins or losses they will have. In particular I hope people with a similar story of hard work will make a splash, so there is one more person I can have respect for.
Best of luck to everyone, I hope everything goes well and players as well as spectators will make it an amazing event and show once again what makes these special. And please create very cool cheerfuls! Maybe a cloth you span over x amount of people
MVP - It kind of hurts to see the guy that really put well rounded Terran play on the map being in something of a slump lately. A big win here in front of an excellent crowd (MLG crowds <3) would probably do a lot for his confidence.
FXO representatives - They went to Korea, they took a bit of a beating, they endured, they picked up a huge win, and now I'm hoping that the fruits of their efforts allows at least a couple of them to make a decent run in the open bracket. Included in this is Choya who's an all round nice guy but catches a lot of hate despite the fact he's fairly creative in a lot of his play.
WhiteRa - it's WhiteRa, come on!
Failure:
EG representatives - Just all lose early and often kk.
Destiny - never has a player so consistently mediocre had so many fans.
Tyler (sorry) - I do not have any sympathy for a pro on one of the big name teams who doesn't actually practice properly.
To succeed: Tyler- He needs the boost and he CAN do it MMA- as above Destiny- This list needed a Zerg and he may have to show a top performance to be picked up again.
To fail: Incontrol- Not a hater, but shouldn't be such a vocal member of the community. MVP- His unimpressive reign as Terran king is long over. MC- As good as he is something needs to shatter his aura of invincibility.
SeleCt He didn't do well in Columbus and I'd really like to see him with a top finish.
Socke He has really consistent results in the MLG events and missed Columbus because of the German EPS Finals. I'm hoping he keeps his Top16 seed.
While I don't wish for any player to perform badly, here are the players I think might be struggeling.
TLO His CTS has proven to be quite problematic for him and it makes me sad to see him being held back. I don't think he had ample time to catch up after his break and his group is stacked with great players, which doesn't help either. Hope he proves me wrong.
Tyler After losing his seed, he has to go the long way through the Open Bracket. It will be quite difficult t o regain his Top16 spot.
Spanishiwa Will be rooting for him every game. He made Zerg fun again for me. But it's his first showing at a big event and the Open Bracket is loaded with talent.
I agree with the OP about Destiny, from what I've seen of him recently it looks like he's put in the time and effort and has become a really good player.
I would love Tyler to do well, as well as qxc after his recent results.
As for players I would like to do badly, the only one I can really think of is IdrA. Don't get me wrong, I really like , and he is undoubtedly fantastic, but i feel he's stuck in a rut and needs to be kicked out of it!
To win: DongRaeGu (want to see him in Code S) SlayersS'Boxer/MMA (want to see them in Code S) LiquidHuK (respect players who are working hard to achieve something)
To do well: FXO (in general) MajOr (I know popular opinion is that people want him to fail due to his relentless teamhopping and bm in the past. I see great potential in MajOr who can show us great games in future.) IdrA Naniwa DeMusliM PainUser :D (tho I don't see that happening with the commitment he has with IPL)
To have a great time: All the Koreans so we might see them more (and in better quality) in future foreign tournaments.
DeMusliM - Please achieve something noteworthy and don't choke early on, really want to believe in you HuK - My Canadian side fighting, genuinely has a decent chance too! Naniwa - Loveable guy really
To Fail:
Koreans - If I wanted to watch the GSL finals I'd watch them, I want to watch foreigners duke it out IdrA - Every time this guy crashes out of a tournament it's hilarious, just wanting to see how he chokes this time Major - All round uninteresting guy, can't bring myself to care about him
QXC: This man practiced really hard (fully comited) in korea so in my opinion he deserves one of top 3 spots KawaiiRice: I really like this kid play style but he hasn't got so much success this year (on tourneys) Boxer: If he wins anaheim it will be the best comeback ever.
-QXC (bandana man): If he got a Jedi robe last time,what will he get if he takes down MLG??? -Jinro (Gorilla Terran): Last year his awesome run started at an MLG event,I hope the same happens this year as well. -SlayersBoxer(The Emperor): If anybody should get a Code S spot,it's this guy, The more games of him I can see televised,the better,
Players I don't really want to fail,but don't care if they do well or not:
-Idra: He has the best understanding of a game I've seen out of anyone when he commentates. Yet in-game,he's a whiny little kid who doesn't gg even when he loses straight up,just to keep the fanboys satisfied with his "BM" -Most of complexity's roster: Catz,Drewbie,Cruncher etc. A bunch of mediocre NA players who think too much of themselves. As the international scenes merge,these guys will fall into obscurity. -Choya: I still don't like him,even though he showed some skill in the GSTL against QXC.
What a terrible OP... Spanishiwa is hardly overrated, no one is going around saying he is the best player ever or anything, and he is the first to admit he is nowhere near the best. Slush earned his places in previous MLGs and you wishing him ill for no reason is pathetic
On July 24 2011 19:02 Shinobi1982 wrote: To win: DongRaeGu (want to see him in Code S) SlayersS'Boxer/MMA (want to see them in Code S) LiquidHuK (respect players who are working hard to achieve something)
To do well: FXO (in general) MajOr (I know popular opinion is that people want him to fail due to his relentless teamhopping and bm in the past. I see great potential in MajOr who can show us great games in future.) IdrA Naniwa DeMusliM PainUser :D (tho I don't see that happening with the commitment he has with IPL)
To have a great time: All the Koreans so we might see them more (and in better quality) in future foreign tournaments.
Succeed : - Jinro : cause he deserves it - Spanishiwa : cause the OP wants him to fail, so I need to balance his karma - Boxer : cause he needs his star to shine again - Tyler : because he looks soo sad this days
Note that 'succeed' does not mean "win", it depends on the player, for instance i guess that if Spanishiwa was to take top ten he would be very satisfied.
Fail : - Destiny : can't help but midly dislike the guy, sorry - DRG : cause it would show he's human - Idra : because he needs get out of "zerg's underpowered hence I can't win" state of mind of his, and practice seriously - Major : because a kid should not play with grown ups, even if he's so good
my opinion on win/loss: 1 destiny definitely <333 his mass infestor play is so f-ing cool 2 huk probably cuz hes really really good and my fav toss :D 3 tlo!!! finally hes coming back after his break! i hope he does really really well 4 spanishiwa dude hes good srsly == and it would be really interesting to see how he does
fail: 1 idra seriously he needs to improve his attitude. if he can at least drop a gg when he loses. really == 2 koreans. srsly people think that if they're korean then theyre really good its kinda annoying 3 major - his immaturity is annoying
The Koreans Maybe cheating to group em all, but I'm huge fans of nearly all of them. If I had to order my preferred best performing to worst, I'd say... Alicia > MMA > MVP > DRG > Boxer > Ganzi Damn, there's more than I remembered. It's my favorite SlayerS' members with MVP, DRG, any of them winning this MLG would be epic. Alicia vs MMA being my preferred (epic) finals. Normally I'd say I hope the guy on a slump takes it all down, but just about all of these guys could really use a win, none of them have been showing their potential lately. Whether it's MMA or DRG getting their Code S spot, I'll be happy, because they need it, badly. I'm confident one of them will.
Idra Huge fan of his, this guy has been needing a big win for a while now! He's amazing, capable of beating anyone, unfortunately he seems to play below his normal level as soon as he's up against real competition (Koreans), or just kind of loses it in the finals (dde, Sen). His group looks very beatable - top 6 should be easy for him, but can he do better?
Jinro I'm not the biggest fan of his, but it is saddening how he's kind of fallen out of the spotlight, especially after how revered he was for his GSL accomplishments. I wouldn't say I'm hoping he wins the whole thing, but it'd be great to see him get to the Pool Play and show us why people once called him the best foreigner - with some epic games.
Fails:
Choya If you read my hopes, maybe you saw it coming? Sorry FXO, not a fan of this guy's play, however cool he might be in real life. I'll be really disappointed if he actually makes it into Pool Play, he'd be a waste of a slot.
Destiny I don't hate the guy, but his humor comes off to me as more annoying than funny. He's not all that good, yet he's hugely popular in the SC2 scene, which also annoys me, as he's more of a personality than a player (a personality I don't like). Wouldn't mind seeing him exiting early.
Cheesy / Abusive play I definitely look down upon these types of strategies, as a spectator they really lower the enjoyment value for me. Unless it's Boxer, he can do whatever the hell he wants.
Almost forgot that Rain and FXOz will be at MLG as well. I don't have strong opinions about them, more or less neutral, but I know they'll do great regardless of what I think of them. Just hoping they don't knock my favorites out in the Open Brackets!
Lastly, I have to mention that I do hope this MLG runs as smoothly as Columbus did. As long as that's the case, the event is going to be epic, no matter what the player results come out to be!
To win: #1 Boxer I would really like to see him do well in this MLG. He really need some cheering up. He puts and has the passion, the effort and the will to do it. He deserves to get far in MLG. #2 IMMVP He is a terran god amond men. He is curently in a slump but I still hold hope for him! I really really loved how well he played in earlier GSL's. I would really like him to take it all. IMMVP FIGHTING! #3 Whitera / Sheth / Major. Whitera and Sheth are really cool and friendly guys. They are nice and would deserve a really good place in MLG. Major is considered a villan and hated alot but I think he is actually a damn good player. Set aside the bias, the hate, the whatever and you got a really good terran player outside Korea. He deserves a good placement in this MLG.
To fail: #1 Destiny I really don't like him and I don't like the hype around him. He dosen't deserve the attention he is getting so I can't root for someone to take something he dosen't really desearve in my opinion. I don't even think he can go very far anyway. #2 Incontrol ... do I really need to write what my reason is, for him to fail? I realllllly don't like him and he dosen't really deserve to go very far either. #3 Idra , meh... coulnd't think of anyone else so Idra seemed like a good choice.
To win : TLO - epic epic person and amazing player Destiny - Got the talent, got the skill and is getting the results. <3 InControl - I like the dude plus he has an awesome taste in music.
Bonus : Boxer - I mean come on. Its BoxeR.
To Fail: Not really got anyone I dislike a lot but - Major - come on, there is over the top and just taking it way to far and you have certainly achieved that.
Naniwa - because he's a beast White-Ra - because he's a baller HuK - what? Machine - he deserves something SeleCT - beast MMA - I like the way his name sounds Destiny - never thought I would
Fail:
Major - lol IdrA - get your shit together, maybe another loss would finally give him a good mindset, and I'll be cheering for him when he does that
What is with this mentality so many people have that its bad to root against someone? Really people? Its f@!#ing great for any competition to have players/teams that people love to hate..
On July 24 2011 19:52 IceSlipper wrote: What is with this mentality so many people have that its bad to root against someone? Really people? Its f@!#ing great for any competition to have players/teams that people love to hate..
It just adds to the hype..
Oh really? You only watch so you can root against people? I watch for the Sc2.
On July 24 2011 19:52 IceSlipper wrote: What is with this mentality so many people have that its bad to root against someone? Really people? Its f@!#ing great for any competition to have players/teams that people love to hate..
It just adds to the hype..
Oh really? You only watch so you can root against people? I watch for the Sc2.
Kindly point out where in my post i said i only watch to root against people? Lmfao.
On July 24 2011 19:52 IceSlipper wrote: What is with this mentality so many people have that its bad to root against someone? Really people? Its f@!#ing great for any competition to have players/teams that people love to hate..
It just adds to the hype..
Oh really? You only watch so you can root against people? I watch for the Sc2.
Kindly point out where in my post i said i only watch to root against people? Lmfao.
Truth. You owned me.
Regardless, I don't think its a necessity. I don't watch CombatEx showmatches and shit along those lines. Is it fair to call that something similar to what you are saying?
To win: 1.HuK - I´d like him to keep his good results and his winning streak 2.White-Ra - Because he is (obviously) the nicest guy ever( also i wanna see speshul taktiks, more carriers pls :D ) 3.IdrA/Destiny - I want either IdrA again to clean it up there again or Destiny to show that he has really improved over the time being
TBH i have so many players in my mind which deserve the win, but i think i´d have to stick to those 3
To lose: Dont rly have anyone who i want to lose, i just hope that the top 3 is not korean dominance again -.-
DongRaeGu - Crazy tallent Boxer - Legend, nothing more to be said HuK - Loved how people took the piss outta this guy at one point now they eating their words.
To Fail
EG (save idra) - Over rated poaching douches, give TSL something to laugh about Major - major douche Tyler - "you will know when iv practise because ill win what i enter"-Taken from last SotG-Doubtful!
If your a fan of a team or a player then your always going to have someone you dislike, when SlayerS or Oz plays i desperatly hope for the opposing team to fail miserably.. is that such a bad thing ? Liking and disliking go hand in hand thats just the nature of competition and it should be fine to discuss who we like and who we dislike, even if we are biased about it all =)
On July 24 2011 19:52 IceSlipper wrote: What is with this mentality so many people have that its bad to root against someone? Really people? Its f@!#ing great for any competition to have players/teams that people love to hate..
It just adds to the hype..
Oh really? You only watch so you can root against people? I watch for the Sc2.
Kindly point out where in my post i said i only watch to root against people? Lmfao.
Truth. You owned me.
Regardless, I don't think its a necessity. I don't watch CombatEx showmatches and shit along those lines. Is it fair to call that something similar to what you are saying?
My point was, regardless of whether you personally watch for those reasons, if somebody else has added interests in the results of a tournament based on outside reasons it can only be a good thing for the game.
Added interest is always good, and its not like anyone is sending out death threats, so i dont see how this can be a bad thing .
Nothing wrong with not liking a player and wanting to see him fail. It's not like I'm going to their house with a gun, lol, it's just a game. A bit of friendly dislike doesn't hurt anyone.
- Anyone from the "new" generation of north-american talent (DDE, Vibe, Major). North-America desperately needs new talent to replace the washed-up ex pro-amateurs from 6 years ago BW. This guys are fresh and talented, and need experience in the big stage.
- HuK: he's a model for all foreign SC2 players
- MMA: i like him, he's sexy and hot.
To fail:
- Machine - Moonan - Incontrol
Same reason for all three for them. They may be nice players in the north-american scene, but on a world stage, they are just weak progamers, with average mechanics and mediocre game sense. They have been protected by the conservative bracket system of the MLG tour. Not anymore, jut drop off and leave the place to better players.
I'm hoping to see Boxer, DRG and qxc do well. Only player I'm really hoping to fail is Destiny because I feel all he has been doing is riding the waves of his very gimmicky, abusive style and probably won't do well after people have found an answer to it.
To do well : 1. Idra- awesome 2. Destiny- under rated 3. Sheth- incredibly nice person
Fail: 1. Huk - over rated 2. Spanishiwa- over rated simply because of "his" build 3. All Koreans- i'd like to see the top three places not going to all koreans
- Anyone from the "new" generation of north-american talent (DDE, Vibe, Major). North-America desperately needs new talent to replace the washed-up ex pro-amateurs from 6 years ago BW. This guys are fresh and talented, and need experience in the big stage.
- HuK: he's a model for all foreign SC2 players
- MMA: i like him, he's sexy and hot.
To fail:
- Machine - Moonan - Incontrol
Same reason for all three for them. They may be nice players in the north-american scene, but on a world stage, they are just weak progamers, with average mechanics and mediocre game sense. They have been protected by the conservative bracket system of the MLG tour. Not anymore, jut drop off and leave the place to better players.
so so true. I remember listening to SotG a while back when incontrol was still on it and he was complaining about the koreans basically getting put into favorable positions... exactly the same thing has happened with him / tyler etc etc.
Idra - I would like to see him more confident and relaxed
Huk - He will do well, he's just too good at the moment
Haypro - From a long long time i'm actually looking for haypro to do something, but he's always one step behind imo, even at dreamhack he was actually playing pretty well, but still falls apart at the end.
To FAIL
DRG - this guy seems to be S-class korean zerg, pwning in GTSL looking really storng, that's why i want him to fail badly
and that's it :D don't wanna see other players fail just that one.
I especially hope liquid'Tyler and liquid'TLO do well. Tyler because that would mean he's taking gaming seriously again and will try to become the best, TLO because of his injury.
I root for all these players because they all are extremely well mannered, are clever in real life (esp. tyler) and come up with creative plays and/or have styles i like.
I will also be excited to see MC play, probably the only korean i will be cheering for.
To Succeed: Demuslim - he's been training really hard, and his only weak matchup, TvZ, is looking pretty strong, giving Sen decent games in the Verizon lan. The open bracket is stacked, but as long as he doesn't hit any super strong zergs early on, I feel his TvP and TvT are really sick (he almost made an amazing comeback against MC at HSC3, and has beaten plenty of top Euro T's in TvT) If he plays his best he should get into pool play, and depending on the group he gets could do really well.
Destiny - It took me a long time to get used to Destiny's stream, but even as a terran player, his stream is usually the one I go to. His play has improved brilliantly, beating Bomber and Ace, as well as having some epic games with Huk. Listening to him on the recent daily showed how he's matured I think, and has an excellent analytical mind and strong all-game tactics. Unless he gets cheesed out I think he can go very far in the Open Bracket.
Select - Just a beast, some epic games in the SCI 2 yesterday against morrow. Had a massive slump last MLG but he's been practicing loads and I think he can do really well again, and challenge the koreans.
I dont want people to fail. All the people saying they want EG to fail etc. due to the Puma situation are fucking retarded, and hateful. None of the players were involved in any of that, if you want to hate, direct it at AG or Scoots, don't wish players to do badly due to a situation out of their hands.
To Succeed: -The EG guys. Yeah there management seems a little shady and they are a bit too concerned with sponsors, but they are one of the first teams to actually go ahead and try to make a proper team house, and the seem like really nice guys. Idra, iNcontrol, Machine, Demuslim, Axlav, Strifecro and LZ are all deserving of success, for different reasons. I want Anaheim to be a good tournament for them. -Foreigners. It'd be great if no Koreans even got on the Podium. I know players have been trying super hard recently, I think it would be awesome if it payed off. -All the cuddly manner bears. Sheth, Whitera etc.
To Fail: -Koreans. See above. Specifically: -DRG. I love this guy's play, and I think he is really a great player. But not as good as people are saying he is. Not in the same league as Losira or Nestea or someone like that. Unfortunately, I think he will do extremely well at MLG, because the format is so favourable to him. Lots of games, all in a row, against opponents who have no preparation. Shame for me. -Anyone who doesn't deserve to be in the Championship pool. Lets hope they get out early and permanently. EDIT: Oh shit, and GOGOGOGOGO TYLER!!!!!
To suceed: BoxeR, MVP, Huk (because Huk is doing what it takes to be the best -- more foreigners need to make the same kind of sacrifices and put in the same kind of effort if they want to be top).
To fail: I don't really want anyone to fail, seems kind of harsh. That said, I think Destiny is overrated, and any respect I had for EG has completely gone, not that I've ever been much of a fan of incontrol or Idra.
edit: I guess included with HuK, I'd like to see the FXO guys who have been training in Korea do well.
Hope to succeed IdrA : He s the reason I switched to Zerg. I have always cheered for him and I hope he will take it all! DRG: One of my favorite Korean Zerg players. His performance it n the GSTL is just soo good! BoxeR or MVP
Liquid in general. I'm a fanboy. Tyler/Haypro, those two seem to be extremely good in practice and always kinda choke in live events I would be so happy to see them do well, especially Haypro, a little bit of confidence could be what he misses to get to show what he is really worth. Jinro, is there seriously anyone who doesnt like him? TLO, a come back from his injury would be so great :D Huk, has been a beast lately, can he keep going on?
FXO, Qxc in particular, since hes going back to school, I'd be really happy if his Korean practice could pay off before the benefits starts to wear off because of school. I know the other players of FXO a bit less, but same thing than for qxc, It would be nice to see Korean practice pay off
Destiny, I'm not really a fanboy, but I enjoy his stream from time to time, plus he seems to have improved a lot lately, and it could be nice for him to show that he's more than just a stream-clown
To do not so well:
Incontrol, never really like him, i mean, I dont hate him, some of the stuff he did was great, but it feels that lately he focuses more on the marketing aspect of the game as opposed to actual playing and practice, has become not so good as a result and every MLG he plays kinda cheesy and manages to stay into the seeded pool play. Time to move on and leave the spots to better players.
Idra, because rage makes me laugh.
The Koreans (except Boxer ), well not really. Its more that i'd like their opponents to do well than the Koreans playing bad.
To Succeed: 1. Slayers_Boxer 2. IMMVP 3. Koreans in general - funny right? I'd actually be very happy if koreans own the tournament again. Go go korean top 5 this time!
To Fail: 1. Destiny 2. Spanishiwa 3. Idra - and I don't mean to go out early. I actually hope that he goes pretty far and then fails in some hilarious manner like the previous MLG vs MMA or the 0:4 vs MC. These were some of best moments of last MLG for me
Win: Sheth-Nicest guy on Earth? iNcontroL-Because i copy his PvZ (and he's awesome) idrA-Always been amazing just an all round fan
Lose: All Koreans (Except Boxer ofc)- Call me a loser but i just don't like them wining stuff when they just have to play for 2 days and foreigners have to play for like a month for code A
To win: Idra-because he will if he manages not to leave games, but please make it tough on him for the entertainment value. Destiny-He's good and more people need to get that. TLO-Get better soon.
DRG - So talented and I really want him to claim the Code S spot so I can continue to watch amazing games from him. I've been a fan of his since watching him stream a couple of months ago.
Ret - With monstrous macro I hope to see a top finish in Anaheim. It was sad to see him get knocked out by Puma in 2 very fast games at the NASL finals, I wanted to see more of his play.
Boxr - The Emperor dominating Anaheim and claiming first place would be the most awesome thing ever. Even though this is probably not going to happen i'm hoping he'll slay some nerds now that he got dropped down from Code A.
Failure
Major - For a lot of reasons, one being his shitty attitude.
QXC: been a fan of this guy for a long time, glad he is finally reaping the benefits of training in korea and I'm glad he's finally getting some credit. Kawaiirice: beat zenexcoca yesterday in tl open in a macro game, hope he can do as well at mlg Jinro: been slumping recently, I want the return of the neo gorilla terran!
To lose: Major:attitude, similar to what people have been saying. Idra: been slacking since he left korea, recent results have seemed to catch up to him, and his playstyle is stagnant. I was a fan in bw but his incessant whining about balance has made me somewhat of an anti-fan.
People ill be watching, but am neutral on: Destiny: recent online results have been good, but lost round 1 last time around. Will he get a good tournament result finally? Select: recent performance has been a mixed bag, which select will show up to anaheim?
Win/Do well:Tyler, Boxer and Sheth/catz/Jinro/Haypro/Whitera/machine/destiny... idk really :S Fail: Koreans (or atleast be a bit less onesided), I can' really think of others to fail
Too many awesome players going... I have a hard time finding just 3 I want to do well T.T
But if I have to choose 3:
1. Naniwa. I really like the guy's approach to the game. Seing him describe himself in his stream thread as "TSL-loser" convinced me that this guy is a true champion, and I know that he has the will to go far in Korea. Besides his personality, he's an amazing player.
2. The Emperor. I don't think this one needs to be argued. Would love to see him in GSL again.
3. DongRaeGu. His play has been so impressive in the team league. It's wierd that he hasn't been able to qualify for code a, but i wouldn't mind seeing him go straight to code s.
Other awesome people: qxc, Jinro, MVP, White-Ra, MMA, IdrA, Ret.
On July 24 2011 19:19 Huggerz wrote: What a terrible OP... Spanishiwa is hardly overrated, no one is going around saying he is the best player ever or anything, and he is the first to admit he is nowhere near the best.
You obviously don't read Youtube comments (or haven't watched certain videos).
Whenever Husky posts a video that has Spanishiwa in it, the comments are pretty much exactly as I described in my original post.
Anyway, so far the responses have been varied, and that pretty much mirrors the original topic. No flame wars broke out in the last topic so I trust we can keep it the same here. Looking good so far, fellas.
this thread is awful. The logic behind why people want spanishiwa to fail is plain stupid. He's liked, therefore you want him to lose.
MC is liked, I don't see many people on this forum who would want him to fail in tournaments. You actually get shit when you say "glad MC lost" or "I would really prefer Huk to lose".
For the record, Spanishiwa has a tremendous amount of respect for all playersThat's why I like the man. Don't really care about "his" build, or the way Husky protrays him. Whitera is one of the most liked progamers, and no one wants him to fail.
If you don't like the way his fan base think of him, blame his fan base (by all mean, blame Day[9] too, since he's made a couple daily about him and help grow his fans number). The man has nothing to do with it.
Back on topic. People I want to win Any zerg player, because they are better players. And bias has nothing to do with that opinion.
People I want to lose DRG : talented zerg player. why should he do anything other than get crushed whitera : the man is too friendly. he deserves to lose boxer : he's done way too much for the community. one of the most liked progamer of all time.hope he loses very badly
Machine - the guy has been riding his beta/early SC2 wave for so long. He's also a member of EG, and my respect for them is at an all time low
I don't get this, I'm far from an EG fan but Machine is probably the most likeable player in there
Ye, same here. Machine is a super nice guy and doesn't get involved in any bullshit, he should be the last to bear the burden of EG's current reputation.
Succeed: Boxer - Everybody knows why. Not only is he an extremely dedicated and awesome guy who deserves it more than anyone, it'd be good for the GSL and SC2 as a whole to have Boxer back in Code S. MVP - People say he's in a slump but I don't really buy that. The competition level in the GSL is just very high, and getting higher with every season. (Incidentally, his loss + Show Spoiler +
against QXC in the team league
was mostly due to build-order and people are making way too much of it.) Judging by his game against SC in the ro32 he's still one of the best Terrans in the world, and I want to see him remind everyone of that by winning the whole tournament in a dominating fashion. Select - He did relatively poorly at Columbus so I hope he can redeem himself.
Fail: Nobody especially, but it's fun to see Idra lose to players he's BM'd or spoken poorly of in the past (Choya, Cruncher). It's also nice to see the crowd disappointed after they boo or don't cheer for a player strictly because of his nationality. (Booing not so much usually, but it happened at the NASL. The whole anti-Korean thing is becoming tiresome.)
Machine - the guy has been riding his beta/early SC2 wave for so long. He's also a member of EG, and my respect for them is at an all time low
I don't get this, I'm far from an EG fan but Machine is probably the most likeable player in there
Ye, same here. Machine is a super nice guy and doesn't get involved in any bullshit, he should be the last to bear the burden of EG's current reputation.
yeah, well especially machine, but really none of the players should get any shit for this. When coca-cola says some sort of awful public comment, you don't go beat up the guy stocking the vending machines. ...wow that sounded smarter in my head xD
But seriously, the EG players have nothing to do with the controversy. Even if you hate a player like idra, hate him for completely different reasons than the "Puma incident"
BoxeR: He and his girlfriend Jessica have been doing more for eSports than anyone in Korea for SC2. Hats off to them. IdrA: He really is the definition of godly. HuK: Been supporting him since day one. FXO and sixjax: I hope they get their first big tournament win. And yes, idc if MajOr wins because although he has been receiving community backlash for smurfing he is a great player. DRG: Because he has only been doing well in the GSTL and deserves a major tournament placing or win. Sen: Most sexiest guy ever, and really a player with incredible skill. Been in the shadows until NASL and he really deserves it.
Fail:
PainUser, HDStarcraft : These guys haven't been trying too hard and unfortunately they won't be able to perform. SjoW, Drewbie, Slush and coL: Slumping recently and I don't see them doing as well as they did in their last MLG run. Not to say that their last run was a fluke, they really performed well.
I don't hate anyone to really wish them to fail, but i'm just estimating who will do poorly.
Hard to pick only three, but I'll go with Jinro, Naniwa and White-Ra.
Don't really have a person I dislike enough to want him to fail. Maybe Idra, because I dislike his attitude, I guess. Also it's kind of entertaining to see him lose.
Edit: Fuck, I'll cheat. I love Tyler and would love to see him hit big finally and take home an MLG. Nony fighting! :v
Win - iNcontroL - he's stopped a lot of the community stuff to practice more and get the results he deserves so i'd like to see him do well Huk - after dreamhack and homestory cup it would be amazing to take MLG too Idra - always a solid player, he can beat anyone when he's on form
Fail - I don't dislike anyone, but I'd like to see NA or EU take the top spots over the Koreans
The one, the only, the Emperor, SlayerS_Boxer, Lim Yo Hwan. I can't really say enough about his legacy and his passion to keep on playing and competing. It would be really awesome to see him do well at Anaheim.
Win: Destiny - whether you like his personality or not, he's been working incredibly hard and if anything has put in the work to deserve to win. BandanaMan - He had been relatively quiet during the time he was in Spain and then while he left ROOT for FXO but he's won my heart again with his GSTL performance Tyler - although I don't expect much from Tyler because of his RL limitations, I think he'd be among the best in the world with a regiment like HuK's
Fail: (I'm assuming anything that's not a top three finish is a fail as I don't think people enter MLG aiming for fourth place or below) sixjax.Major - so much stream sniping and bm on people's streams followed by his SEA cheating scandal desrow - pick up dictionary. look up "bad manner". see picture of desrow. most koreans - nothing against them personally but I'd like to see a native NA bring home the MLG title
IdrA , last 2 MLG was won by non-americans. and theres something about idra which always leaves me at the edge of my seat when I watch him play in MLG. Especially that match against MMA ,
Boxer , I think this has been covered enough.
qxc , again for obvious reasons which you might probably heard of.
Succeed: 1. BoxeR - It's the emperor, man. 2. DRG - He's just awesome and I want to see him in code S. 3. TLO - Really hope he can manage to pull through despite the wrist issues.
Fail: 1. Destiny - I just want to see the fanboys cry. 2. Idra - I just want to see the fanboys cry. 3. Incontrol - Just awful play all around at both MLGs, but ridiculously lucky. Really hope he drops out of the pools.
Judging by the amount of text dedicated to denouncing Spanishiwa I'd say you should rename this post to "SOAPBOX IN DISGUISE". Don't take people enjoying his play so personal kid. Saying who you would like to do well is great, saying which specific people you want to fail is just pitiful.
Boxer because it would be so cool to see a legend like that do well. I missed the performances of bonjwas like Boxer because I wasn't into the scene back then. I would pull for Nada in the same way.
DongRaeGu, as a Zerg player, I would love to see this guy in the GSL
Huk, after his recent performances he is probably the best foreign player in the world and it would be cool for at least foreigner to compete for the win.
To lose? Honestly pulling for anyone to lose is really lame, regardless if its "just personal opinion"
To win: Naniwa - Favourite SC2 player White Ra - Nicest man alive Jinro - Needs a comeback
To lose: Idra - Fun to see him rage and hear his excuses Destiny - Has improved but is still far away from the real pros DongRaeGu - Is in Huk and Naniwa's group and people seem to think he is the best in the world, I do not
I skimmed the OP and was about to complain, but on a 2nd read i'll just stick to my own hope to win list, as I dont really want anyone to fail per se, I just want my fav's to succeed
.. But to be fair, I dont want Korea to take top 3 ...
Hope to win:
QXC - His IM teamkill must be a confidence boost out of this world, so I hope he will do great at this event.
Tyler - I have this gut feeling that Tyler will do well this event and im a big fanboy, but most of all I hope he will live up to his own expectations.
Morrow - A lot of players have been praising MorroWs Z the last few weeks, so if he decides to play as Z, I will be watching for sure
Pretty sad to see many people dislike Spanishiwa because he invented a gasless build almost nobody uses (including him) anymore. I would be at best confused about all that hate and jealousy if I was him and read that thread...
My hopes to win (or to place well, like top 8): -team EG D: -Catz -Naniwa -Ret -Select -other players that deserve success!
My hopes to lose: -None - I don't hate anybody, and Major is just not ready to take the whole event or place that well imo.
1.) Boxer - The Legend deserves the love that everyone has for him. 2.) White-Ra - A super beast that no one doubts, but a big tourny win / finish has been a long time coming (last good finish was 2nd place at Dreamhack Stockholm invitational?) 3.) The Liquids - I am a liquid fanboy, admittedly; I feel like their team's sense of good personality and morality is very unique in the esports field and it's a shame that only HuK is performing to the level that Liquid deserves. I am hoping for a mop up similar to MLG championship last year
LOSE
1.) MVP - I feel like his reign as "best terran" is kind of accepted by everyone but not throughly explained.. his play back in January was amazing but that was quite a long time ago... WC was good too but as I see it he is kind of overrated and I feel like he needs a lot more work to succeed. If he ends up blowing the competition and establishing himself as best terran then of course I will be happy and impressed, but in his current sloppy form if he wins that would be sort of showing how even a slumping mvp can own foreigners. 2.) desrow/avilo/deezer - I'm not 100% sure if these people are going but I dislike people who overrate themselves, and every time I see an early exit from desrow or someone else like this I have a hearty LoL. 3.) Idra - Honestly I am an Idra fan but I think he needs a cold hard slap to the face so that he will realize he needs to practice more more more.
I've been watching TLO's stream and he looks amazing, but every now an then in the chat someone says "oh god isn't he injured? why is he playing? he's going to hurt himself."
I want TLO to place high (not likely though) just so he can prove that he's back, and that players have to be VERY afraid of him (again!).
Win: Spanishiwa - dam good player, don't care what you say iNcontroL - see above KOREANS - no need for explain, I think the best players should win
Fail: HayprO - don't think hes actually that good Hashe - see above Major - should be banned from SC2 scene, hate this guy + Show Spoiler +
need more :p SCDPride - if he goes to any tournaments, I hope he does poorly. Doesn't know how to play the game at all, resorts to cheeses to get himself to grandmasters, then makes obvious plugs for himself and his stream Destiny - I guess? Good player, but takes nothing seriously
Succeed: QXC- Let's see what a while in Korea can do, he can go far and he can beat the Koreans :D Jinro- Such a cool guy, stuck in a slump. He'll be back soon. Tyler- It's about time! (and ThisIsJimmy)
Socke - gets too little respect of the community, hes quite good. Demuslim - im a fanboy! his TvP and TvT are on toplvl, his TvZ still struggles. hope he does well in this hard open bracket. SeleCt - i just like this guy and his playstyle. he rly deserves to at least go 2nd in his pool play group.
Hope to fail:
Destiny - he is a good player - not more not less. he gets overhyped and basically only shows some good results cause of his unknown "in only use the current imba-unit" infestor only style. Some ppl think, he belongs to a list of topplayers - in reality, he doesnt even belong to the NA top 10 - which is quite telling for how successful you can be in such a packed tour. Spanishiwa - another good zerg! but i rly cannot see those "spanishiwa style" comments, whenever a zerg doesnt go for a 16 or earlier gas... ppl dont even know what spanishiwa-style is. despite of this, he wouldnt even be recognized without his 10kish streamviewers, there are ton of zergplayers on his level in europe: deathangel, osho etc... None of them is a top 10 Zerg here. HayprO - i just dont like him and he shouldnt be part of TL anymore.
1:Boxer - I love this guy... I mean, who doesn't? He is struggling through shoulder problems and all sorts of things but still manages to sit down and practice his heart out. Big props.
2: Tyler/Nony: He's a great player, but with little success recently. In fact, no one in liquid has had much success aside from Huk in HSC/DH. Tyler or anyone from Liquid (Aside form Huk, sorry bro) deserves a win.
3: Idra! Hes a fantastic macro zerg, and as much as all the haters say he can only play 1 style... he can do more than that, and do it better than you. Go grack!
Top 3 to lose:
1: Major: The SEA scandal was low... like real low... I lost all respect I had for major with that.
2: Spanishiwa: This guy hasn't revolutionized anything, all he did is come up with a gasless build that involves a million queens. He's incapable of beating any good player in a series.
3: Cruncher/coL: Cruncher is overrated, for some reason I've been running into a million of his fanbois all over the place and its annoying as hell. His only notable achievement ever has been beating Idra in a bo3. Thats it. I'm not a big fan of coL in general, I dislike minigun and catz, and cruncher of course.
i want idra to silence every hater by winning this MLG, i want destiny to take out a big name at a live event for once (instead of online), and i want the koreans to get spanked. MLG is fun as hell with higher skill involved, dont get me wrong, but in the end of the day, thats why i watch GSL. i wanna keep the MLG trophy in north america
i also am 100% aware that i won't have any of the three come true :| <3~
destiny: i've been saying for a dam long time that 11 pool 18 hatch should be the standard for zerg openers, and i respect the man for showing others it. Also he works DAM hard to get better and with his recent results, it shows.
Boxer: Living legend, great guy... what more else can i say.
jinro: I want to see jinro go back to his western style of play, and be the macro terran that DOESNT base his strategy's on timing attacks, but on wearing people down in a show of complete and utter dominance. Jinro come back <3
On July 24 2011 21:44 GenesisX wrote: Win: Spanishiwa - dam good player, don't care what you say iNcontroL - see above KOREANS - no need for explain, I think the best players should win
Fail: HayprO - don't think hes actually that good Hashe - see above Major - should be banned from SC2 scene, hate this guy + Show Spoiler +
need more :p SCDPride - if he goes to any tournaments, I hope he does poorly. Doesn't know how to play the game at all, resorts to cheeses to get himself to grandmasters, then makes obvious plugs for himself and his stream Destiny - I guess? Good player, but takes nothing seriously
In that case the remaining two win spots I haven't used shall be devoted to Liquid' HayprO because HE IS THAT GOOD AND HE'LL CRUSH MLG. (Deal with it. ^^)
Fail: EG IdrA: I want him to get his head out of his ass thinking that he can only practice less because he's IdrA. Destiny: He's too reliant on a single unit/build order against ALL races. But if Destiny is able to prove to me that he can win with more than just unit composition, I will change my mind about him. Right now imo he's overrated by his fans. Major: (see above comments)
To win: Alicia - love to see top players coming through open brackets, love slayers, love Protoss MVP - I want him back on top! WhiteRa - long standing favourite of mine Maybe also DRG and Huk
To not be so successful: MMA - don't want TOO much Korean winning (edit: I realise this contradicts my slayers love!) Idra - don't like his attitude and his constant dissing of others Terrans that I don't really like already
I don't really understand how you can enjoy sport or ESPORTS without picking some villains. I don't think it's sad to pick people you don't want to do well. For example i picked idra, all I'm saying is I hope he doesn't win it overall as there are players I like a lot more. I still wish him good luck and want to see good games from him. It happens in all other sport (booo Birmingham city FC!)
hmmm, but of a nasty thread.. I'll contribute a little bit but only on the good side
To win:
1) Alicia (baller much?) 2) Huk (hard work is paying off, hopefully it can continue to) 3) Choya (People really dont know how good he is other than the koreans)
SlayerS_BoxeR - I think the Emperor has gotten too much shit lately, a win or at least part in a top 3 koreans at Anaheim is what he needs to get the korean haters off his back and I certainly hopes it happens.
MVP_DongRaeGu - I really hope he lives up to the big hype, he's an awfully talented player and this is his big chance for a free Code S spot.
EG.IdrA - He needs a win, he really does to get out of this negative trend he's had lately after his (I know he claims that he did not, but anyone who watched the games do not believe that) tilting at MLG Columbus. IdrA is one of few that can stand up to the Koreans, so ideally he will be in top form for Anaheim and give us more epic games.
Lose:
Destiny - Don't get me wrong, I have nothing personal against this guy. He's a cool guy. But seriously, unlike IdrA he is not good for SC2. He is ridiculously fanboyed by thousands of people fanatically watching his stream and he's done...nothing at all for it. Every single day you'll see 5k+ people on his stream instead of players that deserve them far more than he does. I hope for a massive humiliation in order to lower the number of these fanatics.
The others I do not feel that they need to win/lose.
Ret: not only is he from my home country but he has played some really really impressive games. Too bad he has a tendency to roll over when faced with any early aggression (after which everyone calls him too greedy). I just hope he can keep his insane mechanics and timings while playing a bit safer against early aggression. He deserves to win something again.
Destiny: He just gets so much flak it's unbelievable. At first this was somewhat warranted as he was indeed not at the same level as the other pro players but lately he has worked hard and from watching his stream it has payed off. I hope he can pull out some surprises in terms of builds to stop his opponents from metagaming him and go deep in this tournament!
HuK: I hope he can maintain his dominance and continue his active and creative playstyle. He brings entertaining games and his control over the game shows in his confidence. Top 3 control ftw!
Hopes to not win (I don't want anyone to completely fail): Spanishiwa: Ever since his trademark build he has tons of fans claiming he is the best player ever, he is not. I have nothing against Spanishiwa but I do find his fans annoying and I don't want to give them a reason to become even more annoying in the future, sorry spanishiwa....
MMA: He was really good for a while but now has fallen back a bit and I don't regard him as a top top terran anymore. I hope he doesn't do well so not all koreans finish in the top places in the hopes they realise foreigners are to be taken seriously.
Incontrol: I love what he has done with the NASL and for starcraft but I don't really like him personally (his attitude irritates me a bit from time to time). I also don't like his playstyle very much.
Edit: Any player that plays well and shows intelligent and solid play gets my support so all of this can change if the players perform differently than I expect. If spanishiwa or incontrol suddenly start playing really good they will get my support.
I'd love to see Destiny do well, he's improved so much in the last few months. And of course there's WhiteRa. Fucking love that guy and wish him the best of luck in Anaheim!
Win/Do well 1. MMA, he is the coolest and the cutest. But slumped a little bit,after gsl st, I hope he wins second MLG and gets to code S.This tourney needs a first consecutive winner. 2. DRG, I nearly cried when he didn't qualify for Code A. This guy has sc2 talent and wont have any troubles with becoming Code A winner next time. As we can see he is consistent enough to do this.Hope for DRG vs MMA finals 3.White Ra.
Fail. No hate,hope everyone gets what he deserves.
For the people who writes that: I have nothing personal aginst this guy, but he has got alot of fanboys. I personally think you are just jeloux of their populairty. Who cares if someone has alot of trolls in their chat, its about entertainment value and good games.
Im Rooting for Destiny, Catz, Seth. Also would like to see new names come forth and fight some establish players, making suprises.
i want idra to gg out of his first games prematurely but then with that he will re-evaluate his attitude and rise from the ashes for the next tournament and he will own faces from then and throughout sc4
I'm a little behind the times, can someone summarise/link me to a page that explains the whole Major incident? I tried Google but obviously 'team liquid starcraft major' doesn't really narrow it down...
On July 24 2011 22:23 Firebolt145 wrote: I'm a little behind the times, can someone summarise/link me to a page that explains the whole Major incident? I tried Google but obviously 'team liquid starcraft major' doesn't really narrow it down...
To do well: - White-Ra, he is awesome player and person. - HuK, he has played very well lately and it would be cool if he won this right after Dreamhack victory. - IdrA, i'm a fanboy.
To fail: - Koreans, i really want to see foreigner talent in the finals.
Would love DeMusliM to do well, he's been improving and since his injury he's found it tough so a good MLG result would help people take him seriously again. Also would like destiny to do well, but to show more variation in his play so people don't just counter his build
Edit: Not really got a 3rd, just another EU player doing well would be good. As for people I don't want to win, I don't really have any, though would like iDra to humiliate himself in some way (not neccesarily do badly though)
to fail: IdrA - because its much more entairtaining seeing him failing to win : Koreans - because its much more entartaining to see them winning on serious note i hope better players win
DRG - deserves a code S spot but hasn't had great performances in GSL. Hope he can play up to his potential.
Boxer - Duh
QXC - Seems to have been working really hard in korea. Hope he can bust out of his tourney slump and show a good result.
To lose:
Destiny - never seen a guy with zero achievements have so many fanboys. I guess that by itself is some sort of achievement. But its annoying to have him mentioned so much on these forums as a top player. Maybe he can shut me up by getting past the open bracket but I seriously doubt it.
Idra - always fun to see him lose, makes for entertaining forum reading.
i think that if boxer wins it will be so epic that the universe might actually collapse. still worth watching though. but seriously, boxer winning would be beyond awesome. i just hope he can grab a few nice titles. so basically:
Win: boxer because hes boxer. qxc because his nice performance in GSTL sparked my interest DRG because he has mad skill
Fail: all the players who dont have what it takes the tournament in the first place.
I may not like Majors way to talk and behave to other people, but he is still a terran beast and I really like his playstyle, so I hope he gets to the top!
Well Destiny - people talked alot of shit about Huk now look at him. Destinys good but when you have players like Incontrol on the older state of the game say hes terrible then it just sticks. Then you watch incontrol only win because he can sneak a pylon in a base and 4 gate with 80 apm. Boxer- Hes fucking boxer Hopefully the Korean players along with Huk/Jinro just stomp through the competition. Wanna see a Jinro win.
I'm gonna go ahead and say "Any Korean besides Boxer". Am I a fan of most of the Koreans playing? Absolutely. But I think it would be pretty damn cool if we had all foreigners in the top five or so. I doubt it'll happen, but if it did, it would be another little wake up call that a few foreigners can actually compete with Koreans.
Win BoxeR - Why not? DRG - Needs to get Into code S somehow. He's definitely talented enough to win it. Destiny - Was gonna go with HuK, but I'll root for both.
My hopes for success for those i think can and have the ability to do well in Anaheim:
Tyler - Super big fan of him. I really feel like he has what it takes and deserves a good placement. I also really like his attitude, he just seems to really love everything Starcraft but has lost some of that fire with his recent shortcomings.
iNcontroL - Say what you want about Geoff, but he had his ticket to easy street with all the casting and work he was doing for SC2, and gave it all up to completely focus on being a player again and only a player. I really admire that and can't wait to see how much his hard work has paid off.
SlayerS_BoxeR - Doesn't really need an explanation. It's BoxeR, if anyone can give us an amazing narrative in Anaheim it will be him. I want to see BoxeR show his true glory in the international SC2 scene, and hopefully show us some things that we have never seen before so all of the people new to Starcraft can see why he is so revered in the community.
I don't really wanna be a douche and say I hope someone to fail...so here is just who I expect to not do so well in Anaheim:
IdrA - IdrA is kind of on the fence for me here. He is an amazing player. No one can really contest that. He has refinement down to a science and never fails to show strong play in whatever tournament he enters. It's his mentality that is holding him back, and until he improves upon it I don't see him winning anything big.
TLO - As much as I have been awaiting the return of TLO, he is coming off a big injury and might not be in the greatest shape to compete in such a major event right away. I would be extremely thrilled if he was to place top 3, but I just don't see it happening.
Destiny - Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Destiny hater, I love watching his stream for the entertainment value and I think he is great at what he does. I just feel that he is over hyped as a player and will have to prove himself to me, and a lot of other people I'm sure, before he gets a strong following.
I didn't wanna put too many Koreans, but I'll really be rooting for MMA and MVP ( I am terran after all ), and I think DongRaeGu is a little over hyped. But who knows, anything can happen, it's MLG! :D
LIQUID`JINRO - He was the great foreigner hope 6 months ago, and now nobody even really talks about him anymore. Him was undoubtedly the best foreigner, and he was one of the best even among the Koreans. I'm a big Idra fan, but he got to the round of 8 once. Jinro got to the round of 4 two seasons in a row. Screw Polt, that kind of consistency isn't just a fluke. The only other people that have done that are Rainbow (in the open seasons) and Nestea (just happened this season). I hope that he tears everything apart and takes back his spot among the best of the best.
IMMvp - He hasn't been doing very well lately. I was really proud of qxc when he all-killed IM, but I also felt so bad for Mvp. He was probably the most feared player in the world four or five months ago, losing only a single game during his first GSL championship run. (To Nestea, who he crushed 3-1.) I still think that he's one of the best players in the world, and I hope that a possible MLG win pulls him out of his slump. I also hope that he'll be impressed by the fans (and will go to tell Nestea about it, and convince him to come over, too).
SlayerS_MMA - I've been a huge fan since he almost reverse all-killed Zenex when Slayers met them in the first GSTL. I watched when he beat Mvp in the ace match in GSTL 2, and when he beat Dongraegu in the ace match of GSTL 3, being down like 70 supply at one point. The dude is the clutchest human being in existence, and I honestly believe that he could become a legend of SC2. Unfortunately, after his MLG win, he got swept 0-4 by Polt, and was unluckily seeded in Code A, getting knocked out. (I think that MMA vs Puzzle could've been a Code A finals, honestly. He probably still wouldn't have beaten Puzzle, since his TvP is comparatively weak, but I think that he at least deserves a shot to be in Code S.) I hope he does well, and maybe wins and gets a Code S slot?
I play Terran if you couldn't guess.
Honorable mentions: Huk, TLO, Dongraegu, Idra, and fucking BOXER. I didn't include him in my top 3 because he's just a given. Everyone roots for Boxer.
No one I want to fail. That's such trollbait, why would you include that?
To do well: White-ra - Do you really have to ask? papatoss has taught me everything I know and He deserves this. DeMuslim - I want him to prove he can rebound from injuries and do it like a baus. Tod - Darkhouse pick... I know a lot of people remember Tod from the past; I am hoping he can figure out sc2 the way he did wc3 and this would be the start
To Fail: Some of the Koreans... because most likely they will dominate again. Major - The kid either needs some brains or common sense ( both would work)... I don't want him to be the champion of anything. Idra - To hear about race imbalance and how tournament map pools decide tournies. (so much to complain about so lil time!)
I hope White-rA does well though - in an interview he said you would play for another year depending on his results. He plays like 8 hours a day and his results haven't been so good recently so I hope he does real good :D He's a great guy and deserves it
Its so hard to choose 3 players I want to do well, and even harder to choose 3 players I don't want to do well.
To do well: -Destiny: He's better than people give him credit for, and he has one of the most exciting styles of zerg play. He really needs to do well so he can shit some of his haters up. -Jinro: Someone else who needs a good result. He hasn't been doing well in or out of Korea, but even so is one of the best players in the tournament. Unfortunatly he's coming through a stacked open bracket. -Tyler: I like Tyler, so I want him to do well. Simple.
Other players I'd like to do well are Demuslim, Whitera, Naniwa, Huk and so many others.
To do badly: -Idra: I don't like how he carries himself and every time I support him I end up dissppointed. -DRG: I love his play, but seeing him getting eliminated by a foreigner I support would be amazing. -Maj0r: Once again another player who I love to watch, but I don't like his attitude and the way he acts and hopefully some disappointment will teach him some humility.
IdrA, i guess im a bit of a fanboy, love his bluntness and tbh i think he is one of the more skilled sc2 players outside of korea. he always does well, and im happy when he does.
Nony, Probably the most talented foreign BW player, and he hasnt done a lot in sc2 yet, hoping he can become as big in sc2 as he was in BW!
Machine, imo he is a very good player, but is heavily underated and hasnt achieved a lot. he will make it big some day.
3 to fail:
Major. The guy made a COMPLETE ass of himself with the Dox cup thing, and appar he was really bad mannered against tGun when he lost to him in the TL open. He doesnt deserve to do well, even if he is good at this game (im not convinced he is)
BoxeR. im not going to bother explainnig, im going to get hate no matter how good my reasons are.
Destiny, the guys cool, but he abuses infestors (not saying infestors are imba, but people just cant deal with 10+infestor it seems) and people think he is good. he simply isnt that great, when his style is figured out, he isnt really going to be a good player anymore.
Succeed: 1) Liquid'Tyler/NonY-the man has been slumping hardcore recently but if his stream is any indication he still has what it takes to be at the top with unit control, macro, and refinement, i just want to see him back up there again after crushing the open bracket naniwa style 2) FXO players, particularly QXC but also the others like tgun, slog, and optikzero who dont perform as well despite still having great skill, leading people to underrate them 3) Liquid'Jinro-he started his amazing run after crushing an MLG, and currently i believe his slump is a mental one which is not easily fixed but he still has the ability to take a championship/place highly if he can overcome this mental issue and return to being that epicly dominant Jinro we know and love :D
to fail, absolutely no one everyone has worked so hard to get where they are and the competition is so fierce that i believe it is a massive disservice to the players to mark them down as wanting them to fail, regardless of the reason
To win; White-ra, Boxer, Jinro. I don't really want to see anyone failing, since most of the guys in MLG worked hard to get where they are. What I DON'T want to see is another lame drama, starring Idra.
your Spanishwa comments are fairly harsh, I don't think anyone thinks he's the best player in the world....
People enjoy watching him because he uses creative and somewhat crazy builds,
Also his Icefisher build I believe has improved a lot of players play, Am just a gold leaguer myself, but Its done wonders for my play, just by copying some of the fundamentals of it to suit my playstyle.
Personally, I'd love to see
IdrA get another major tournament under his belt Jinro to place well DRG to place in Code A/S spots so we can watch him more in the GSL
On July 24 2011 23:17 Haggis wrote: your Spanishwa comments are fairly harsh, I don't think anyone thinks he's the best player in the world....
People enjoy watching him because he uses creative and somewhat crazy builds,
Also his Icefisher build I believe has improved a lot of players play, Am just a gold leaguer myself, but Its done wonders for my play, just by copying some of the fundamentals of it to suit my playstyle.
Personally, I'd love to see
IdrA get another major tournament under his belt Jinro to place well DRG to place in Code A/S spots so we can watch him more in the GSL
i cant say i have ever watched a spanishwa game (dont get me wrong, i spend most of my days playing/watching sc2) but from what i can tell its just delayed gas, and from talking to people and reading forums, its not a new build, just he took the name and made it popular
To avoid getting yelled at I'm just not going to say who I'd like to see stomped. Anyone who practices enough deserves the win.
There's way too many people I want to see win. I guess I'm most hoping for a Jinro or Tyler win though. IdrA would be amusing because of all the haters.
I too have a problem with hoping somebody will fail. They all put a lot of work into it, so I hope to see some great games from everybody, because they can't all win.
I would like to see HuK go far, but if the brackets don't align in his favor, I can't see him beating DRG. I hope he can prove me wrong though.
to do well: 1) Socke: He is my favorite player and I hope he does really well to get the recognition he deserves. 2) Tyler: Sometimes he sounds pretty arrogant, but he never blames his losses on imbalance and I love watching him. 3) ToD: I like him since WC3 and even more since the Homestory-Cups. He is able to win against top players and hopefully he does well. Edit: 4) Naniwa: I love watching him since a long time (He was my winner in the TSL bracket contest even before MLG Dallas)
I don't want anybody to lose, but I wouldn't be sad to see some players fail: 1) Koreans, because I'm not very interested in Korean vs Korean games at MLG and I don't like the awkward interviews and ceremonies 2) players like Destiny, Spanishiwa, TLO ... They have a bad skill to fans ratio and I don't want to read the forums If one of them succeeds. 3) Players who act like kids: Major, Idra (If he doesn't act like a kid and doesn't blame imbalance for his losses, I actually like him), Skew, ...
Boxer - Would love to see Boxer catch his first SC2 break in a foreign tournament where he'll get the praise he deserves given his long career. Destiny - Been a long time stream viewer and am glad to see his sudden pickup in success. Would love to see him make a big run on MLG. Idra - Long time fan and supporter, every MLG there's always something awesome happening to Idra
To fail:
Slush Machine Ret
Particularly Ret and Machine to me have been riding their BW fame for too long, and I'd like to see their spots filled with more exciting people.
DonRaeGu: Deserves a code S spot. MMA: Same as above. Naniwa: I really like his playstyle, and would love for him to do well. Definetly the guy I'm rooting for.
Not going to pick the ones I want to lose. Would hate to see a player with too much fanboys win, but if they do well and manage to legitimately(ie not cheese) beat Koreans and top foreigners, they probably deserve the credit they've been given
To do well: HuK - This guy practices and works his ass off and its starting to show. I'd love to see him shut all the haters up once again.
Boxer - I really hope he does well...I think he needs some momentum.
Naniwa? - Kinda in the air about it. I am still a bit hung up on all his past BM and team swapping. I like his safe style though and seems to have straightened out a bit.
To do bad: Idra - I really dislike his attitude even though it makes for some entertaining drama. He seems to have really been slacking in his practice and don't think he deserves to win.
WIN: DRG, BoxeR, Naniwa - The winner gets a Code-S spot. Of all players at MLG, these are the 3 I want to see in Code-S the most. At the end of the day, I'm more interested in the GSL seedings than who wins money, since that has a longer lasting effect. (in an ideal world, I'd love to see BoxeR beating a foreigner in the finals- for a best of both worlds thing)
LOSE Major - People, imo, need to act a certain way to deserve being rooted against. Major's a prime example of that. TLO - I absolutely love TLO, but given his wrist problems it seems a waste to me that he is still seeded when there are some absolutely amazing players fighting in the open bracket. If TLO were able to play at his best, he'd be my #1 vote to win. Moonan - Nothing against Moonan specifically, I'm just not a huge fan of his play and like with TLO, would rather see someone different seeded
On July 24 2011 16:24 RPR_Tempest wrote: Hopes to win:
Destiny
Hopes to fail:
vile.Spanishiwa: How should I best explain this? You have players like tgun and Gatored, who are capable of competing at a very high level, but I'm not under some illusion that they're so good that they can go and beat MC or anything. Spanishiwa is one of those very, very few players I would actually say is overrated. Wait, wait. Don't get me wrong, he's good. He's damn good. He's beaten some great players such as TLO, but there's one thing I really hate, you see, and that is fanboys.
You are the biggest hypocrit I know. The only people that think Destiny will succeed are his fanboys.
- Kiwikaki: He gets his own category. I'd like him to do well, but I'm such a ridiculously obsessed fanboy that he can do the happy probe dance for the first 10 minutes of the game and I'll be thrilled.
Seriously though, I hope he does well. MLG is the circuit that Kiwi has done well in since the start and I know he was disappointed with last MLG, so crossing fingers for him.
Anyone who has put in the hard work and has the skills of course!! Particularly I will be rooting for: Sixjax Major (because he has had his share of hate and I think his actions have been misguided but I have hope that he can mature enough so that he doesn't make silly mistakes that harm his image) IMMvp (want to see a KR terran do well, and it might as well be this guy!) One of the KR's in the open bracket - it's great when someone powers through the open bracket... makes so much drama
I don't really want anyone to fail. I do however love me a bit of IdrA drama... so it's a bit mean, but here's hoping for some good BM and premature GGs lol.
WIN: DRG, BoxeR, Naniwa - The winner gets a Code-S spot. Of all players at MLG, these are the 3 I want to see in Code-S the most. At the end of the day, I'm more interested in the GSL seedings than who wins money, since that has an effect beyond a single person's bank account (in an ideal world, I'd love to see BoxeR beating a foreigner in the finals- for a best of both worlds thing)
LOSE Major - People, imo, need to act a certain way to deserve being rooted against. Major's a prime example of that. TLO - I absolutely love TLO, but given his wrist problems it seems a waste to me that he is still seeded while unable to practice, especially when there are some absolutely amazing players fighting in the open bracket. If TLO were able to play at his best, he'd be my #1 hope to win it all. Moonan - Nothing against Moonan, I'm just not a huge fan of his play and like with TLO, I would rather see someone different seeded
On July 24 2011 16:33 Windows 7 wrote: I think it's flat out messed up to actually hope for someone to fail. Pretty BM, mate. Especially for Spanishiwa -
He's damn good. He's beaten some great players such as TLO, but there's one thing I really hate, you see, and that is fanboys....
....I hope Spanishiwa bombs out, just to shut these guys up.
So.... you're hoping he fails just because people like him? Really, dude?
His point is that he doesn't like how the community is dividing it's attention and 'respect'. Players like Spanish get a lot of attention while the better players do not.
On July 24 2011 16:33 Windows 7 wrote: I think it's flat out messed up to actually hope for someone to fail. Pretty BM, mate. Especially for Spanishiwa -
He's damn good. He's beaten some great players such as TLO, but there's one thing I really hate, you see, and that is fanboys....
....I hope Spanishiwa bombs out, just to shut these guys up.
So.... you're hoping he fails just because people like him? Really, dude?
His point is that he doesn't like how the community is dividing it's attention and 'respect'. Players like Spanish get a lot of attention while the better players do not.
Poor Spanish. He's so modest. He's also the first person to admit that he's not the same standard as top pros. He never claims anything else. So I really don't like that people want him to fail. It's very mean to want that just because he has a lot of fans. And by the way... part of the reason that he has fans is because he is so modest.
On July 24 2011 23:51 Durp wrote: LOSEt. TLO - I absolutely love TLO, but given his wrist problems it seems a waste to me that he is still seeded while unable to practice, especially when there are some absolutely amazing players fighting in the open bracket. If TLO were able to play at his best, he'd be my #1 hope to win it all.
He has been practicing recently, training for this tournament. If he places well, the of course he deserves to be in the Champion pool.
Socke - He has just always been my favourite Protoss player. Maybe it's the hair.
Select - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Major - Sometimes he's an impressive player. Figured I'd go against the grain
Also: qxc, DeMusliM
To Lose: (I don't really wish loss on anybody so I'll just say 3 "good"/"well known" players.)
DongRaeGu/MVP - I think all of the Korean players attending MLG Anaheim are very powerful, but I hope they are knocked out before they do too much damage.
Tyler - Because I really don't give a shit which players I pick to lose, I pick Tyler.
Huk- An amazing player with great results, but knocks out my favourites too often >:[
I definitely want either White-Ra or Destiny to win. White-Ra, as it's been mentioned, is one of the genuinely nicest people in esports, and has insane talent .
Destiny though would be a great story (not to mention he's one of my favorite players right now). It would be really great to see an improvement story like his reach a tournament victory.
And there's no player I particularly want to lose, I would just rather not have another Korean winner. I know that on the perfect day, there are foreigners who can go toe-to-toe with them, and I want to see that happen in Anaheim
win: mvp, idra, naniwa, huk, alicia, mma, etc. because these guys are genuinely good players and that they don't make stupid mistakes (often at least).
also add the entirety of FXO to the win list since I love the dedication and initiative these guys took to practice in korea.
fail: incontrol, machine, tlo, tyler, catz etc hope these guys get eliminated asap since i don't want to watch their bad play stinking up the streams.
On July 25 2011 00:08 EnSky wrote: I want Boxer to win. It's highly unlikely to happen but what I learned is that in SC2 epic (and unexpected) things can happen.
If you mean really stupid upsets that fuck up my liquibet, then yeah EPIC THINGS indeed....
On July 24 2011 16:55 MonkSEA wrote: I'm surprised at the spanishiwa dislike going on(not hatred though!)
My top 3 to succeed:
#1 - FXOqxc - You've probably heard why. #2 - MVPDRG - lols k. The best early - mid game ZvT in the world currently? #3 - dSeleCT - I feel like his starting to lose his game sense. I hope this MLG is better for him.
Bottom 3:
#1 - vileSpanishwa - His style of play is outdated and players know its weakness. #2 - EGincontrol - His attitude deserves it. #3 - Sheth - The unwillingness to stay in Korea when he was the captain of his team lost respect from me.
All of these are personal opinions, and if you disagree with any of them qq about them in your head. Ty.
I don't know how you can possibly say this, as Geoff is one of the most genuine and best mannered guys in the game.
3 to succeed: iNcontrol Boxer - I don't need to say anything to explain this, but to hear that he's getting discouraged about his play makes me want it even more Destiny- While he's not quite as good as people are pumping him up to be, he has gotten much better since his stream gained steam. It'd be nice to see him get rewarded for his work.
HM: Gensulitor - He's da man.
Others: Moonan - I've never seen this guy actually win on stage, yet he's still seeded. I don't hope he fails, but I hope he has to prove that he deserves that spot he has. Major - Great Player, but tends to be a jerk Machine- Likeable guy, but, like Moonan, I hope he has to prove he deserves his seed.
Lose: idra, major, Haypro (i don't hate the guy, however, I do think someone else more deserving should get his spot), and probably the rest of EG team because I do believe they are overrated (don't get me wrong, I do not hate them nor do I want them to die, before someone twists what I say)
Win: Tyler - I'm not exactly getting my hopes up but it's been so long since seeing him perform well. Really want to see him make it out of the open bracket.
Lose: Destiny - I don't have anything against Destiny really, but 95% of his fans think he is the greatest thing ever and I just want them to shut up.
As likely as it is to happen, i really dont want to see a korean get the code s spot..
Even though there are players like DRG who are clearly code s level, i just dont like the idea of players flocking to MLG's just because they didnt cut it in the most recent code a qualifiers.. Code a i dont mind so much.. It seems wrong to me that they can entirely skip battling it out in the code a qualifiers, then battling it out in code a, then battling it out in the up & downs, all because of a weekend tournament..
To win: HuK -- Favorite player since beta. Good to see an American-Canadian in Code S
Destiny -- Enjoy watching his streams, people hate on him too much because of his attitude. He's also a really smart person (his philosophy and ability to rationally argue, mainly)
Idra -- Can guarantee no Command Centers will be suicided this MLG. He's entertaining and has a lot of potential if he can keep himself chill
Spanishiwa -- Love his name, love his playstyle, learned a lot watching him coach (I play terran, but I learned a lot of zerg timings/mindset)
To lose: Major -- Not because of the SEA smurfing, but because of preferences I won't mention on this forum
MMA - He's a fellow terran and I love him, but I've been extremely jealous lately. I cant seem to drop harass like he does. Mainly putting MMA down because picking people to lose is hard.
win: white-ra boxer huk (now many people will think i am bandwagon-ing on the huk boat but i am going to pull the hipster nerd card and say i was a huk fan before starcraft 2... when he was playing company of heroes. so there =p )
fail: i hope DRG beats tyler just because karma's a bitch. then we need to get some of the baggage out of the top 16 pools so... machine probably doesn't really deserve his spot there. and for the "please fail because i don't really like you are the horde of fanboi fans that follow you around and upvote everything with your name on it on reddit" vote i'll go with destiny.
MVPDongRaeGu This player gets me excited when he tweets, I haven't felt like this about a player since oGsMC first unleashed his incredible post match interview "Zealot defense, Stalker damagey, Sentrie forcefielduh forcefielduh, marauder die die". DongRaeGu has been a hero of the GSTL, an event which started off producing the greatest SC2 entertainment up until that point. Yet the guy has failed to make it into Code A. I can make excuses all day for this. He got drained by QXC (who would later go on to all kill a weakened IM) and lost to Hero, who is supposedly pretty good. It seems like DRG can't catch a break! Well here's his chance. With a complexity partnership to go hand in hand with his ticket to MLG Anaheim, i'm praying DRG comes out on top and gets his ticket to Code S to raise the level of competition in what i think is a lacklustre Code S. Prove me right big fella!
FXOQXC I've been a huge fan of this guy for a long time. His manner and creative play had him become one of the first players i was to be a fan of. His play dropped off it seems with his time in Spain, but since then he's gone to Korea and blown us away with his results.He's charismatic, funny, he can jump over things, and he's got the makings of a top Terran. Above all he took his trade to Korea to improve, something i respect the most out of foreign players: the true desire to get better at this game. I now have every reason to believe that QXC is capable of winning MLG Anaheim and i hope he comes second to DongRaeGu. /trollface
Liquid'Tyler I love this guy. He's so smart, so handsome, but has no results to speak of. I want this guy so badly to be a top player. It's not hard being a Tyler fan since he's so smart and handsome, but it's hard getting excited for his games sometimes. I hope he practises and puts a good showing in this one. His lack of results is getting old, and i'm *this*close to wanting him to just fail. Did i mention how smart and handsome he is?
FAIL Now i don't dislike any of these three, but they annoy me for their own reasons and until they get their shit sorted i can't cheer for them at all.
Major I liked this guy after Columbus, then he goes and proves to me why so many people disliked him. Hoping for a little karma to help me out here.
Destiny Want his actions to speak louder than his words. Not sure he's capable. Would be glad to see him win, and prove he's good. I can't stomach 'pro gamers' who succeed without succeeding. I want him to earn my respect for his play.
Incontrol Same as Destiny. I want players who are put on pedastals to produce results, not get by on what comes out of their mouths. This isn't pro wrestling. I'm sure he's capable but i need to see it.
- WhiteRa: Nicest guy in eSports, etc. - Major: The kid's an ass and claims to be better than everyone in SEA. I think he IS better than SEA (barring Moonglade obv) and I hope to see him rock it at MLG; kid gets his fair share of hate but people deny that he's got the skills to back it up (same as Destiny, but Major is out of Destiny's league) - Sheth: Okay, he got his exposure in FXO and has shown to be a great player. Maybe his leaving of FXO is a monetary issue or something and he thinks hes worth more than what FXO offered him. I hope he proves it this MLG and gets a big fat contract as a result.
Hates:
- Koreans: Don't get me wrong I like most of them, but I hope at least some of them bomb out and the foreigners upset the rest so they can show that the foreigner scene isn't as far behind as the korean scene as people make it out to be. - Any Liquid Player (except HuK): Outside of HuK, I find Liquid players to be severely overrated overall. Especially HayprO; don't get me started on him. - Machine and iNcontroL: STOP RIDING YOUR BETA SUCCESSES. THX.
Boxer - he has been a leader for SlayerS, now I hope that he can do this for himself as a player. ToD - I can't imagine he will win the tournament, but I appreciate how he has not tried to hype himself up in sc2. Although it is clear that he has a great deal of skill, and game knowledge. I believe he has the potential to make it out of open bracket, but it wont be easy. Idra - I would like to see idra clash with top players yet again, but coming out on top, he was very close last MLG, it will be interesting to see if he has what it takes to make it to the next level.
Fail: Destiny - without building an infestor, I doubt he could make it past round1 open bracket. Reliance on such a volatile unit may cost him if HotS redesigns zerg... I would like to see someone precounter his style and make destiny rethink how he is approaching zerg. Incontrol - I'm not convinced you deserve to still be in pool play compared to many of the talented players clawing their way through open bracket.. but in the back of my mind, I hope you prove me wrong. Sheth - talented and intelligent player, but I question your sc2 ambition to be a real top level pro gamer...
Destiny Want his actions to speak louder than his words. Not sure he's capable. Would be glad to see him win, and prove he's good. I can't stomach 'pro gamers' who succeed without succeeding. I want him to earn my respect for his play.
I agree with you here, although I want him to win. He's a great player but needs some more work.
And regarding the part I bolded, you have to understand that he's succeeding in a different way. He isn't making a living winning tournaments, but by being a Grandmasters level player appealing to his stream audience (which earns him nice money via ad revenue).
Destiny - I don't have anything against Destiny really, but 95% of his fans think he is the greatest thing ever and I just want them to shut up.
He have already failed @ MLGs and they didn't shut up then so what makes you think they will shut up if he bombs this one?
My top 3: Tyler - Cilltoss, 'nuff said. iNcontrol - One of my favorite personalities in SC2, about time he got a win! Destiny - I think he's been improving a lot lately, probably not enough to take the championship but it would be cool.
My bottom 3: Not really anyone in particular, as long as it is ragefilled so; Idra - Good source of rage. major - I don't really know him but I heard he rages sometimes and for the last... DAY9! - He have ignored me for too long. He told me he loved me @ DHW2010 and since then NOTHING! I hope he pukes on air, ruins some valuable equipment, disgrace himself so everyone stops watching him, end up homeless giving away SC wisdom for a buck on the streets of LA.
Disclaimer: Please note that the last rant about Day9 is entirely meant as a joke and I, as many others, wish him nothing but eternal happiness and glory!
Destiny Want his actions to speak louder than his words. Not sure he's capable. Would be glad to see him win, and prove he's good. I can't stomach 'pro gamers' who succeed without succeeding. I want him to earn my respect for his play.
I agree with you here, although I want him to win. He's a great player but needs some more work.
And regarding the part I bolded, you have to understand that he's succeeding in a different way. He isn't making a living winning tournaments, but by being a Grandmasters level player appealing to his stream audience (which earns him nice money via ad revenue).
Yup, that's exactly what i meant. I like it on a personal level: i'm pleased Destiny can pay his rent or whatever in that fashion. That's great. But i can't cheer for a professional streamer.
Not really understanding the whole "Hopes to fail" portion. Like, not even predicting to fail, but your personal wish is that these people fail; pretty weird and unnecessarily personal. Anyway, carry on.
Destiny Want his actions to speak louder than his words. Not sure he's capable. Would be glad to see him win, and prove he's good. I can't stomach 'pro gamers' who succeed without succeeding. I want him to earn my respect for his play.
I agree with you here, although I want him to win. He's a great player but needs some more work.
And regarding the part I bolded, you have to understand that he's succeeding in a different way. He isn't making a living winning tournaments, but by being a Grandmasters level player appealing to his stream audience (which earns him nice money via ad revenue).
Yup, that's exactly what i meant. I like it on a personal level: i'm pleased Destiny can pay his rent or whatever in that fashion. That's great. But i can't cheer for a professional streamer.
Fair enough :D
We'll have to see if he can prove himself o_O
On-topic: I tried to keep my win list short, but I'll also be cheering for TLO. He's a very creative and unorthodox player. <3 him since beta
ALICIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA can't wait to see his first showing at a foreign event ^^ Other then that I hope Huk or Idra will win. Perhaps facing off in the finals :D
Destiny - I feel he's due to put on a good showing and go deep into the Open bracket. He's been improving lately and as long as he can keep himself calm and collected and doesn't have another Greater Spire mishap, (MLG Dallas) he should put on a good show.
Strelok - Not sure if he's competing at Anaheim, but if he is, I'd love to see him bust out with a deep run especially after his Ambitious Terran project during which he plays no less than 7 hours of SC2 a day, plays 1 hour of sports and doesn't drink a drop of alcohol. I think that he's due for a big performance.
BoxeR - The king of Brood War hasn't really shown that he is up to the highest level in SC2 yet, and winning MLG Anaheim would show that he really is one of the best players out there. And I'm always a sucker for the comeback Cinderella story.
Lose:
IdrA - Sure I would be a fan of IdrA if he wouldn't rage so hard at the most critical times. He showed us at MLG Columbus that when he is calm and collected there are not many people who can take a game, let alone a series, off of him. Unfortunately IdrA always seems to explode in amazing fashion and I'm just waiting to see how he does it at Anaheim.
MMA - Hate to pick a fellow Terran to lose but I think that it wouldn't be a very exciting MLG if MMA repeated as champ. one of the biggest stories from MLG Columbus was when NaNiwa (MLG Dallas Champ) lost to MC because he was overconfident and had his zealots dancing in MC's base.
sixjaxMajOr - After the unsportsman like showing he had in the SEA tournament by competing in it even though it was for SEA citizens only. I really hope that karma catches up to him and he is eliminated early. A scandal like that is just unacceptable in the SC2 scene especially when there are so many other tournaments around.
CrunCher - went through open bracket and knocked out kiwikaki last time, he deserves a seed imho Naniwa - disappointing last time, I'm sure he'll be back for revenge SLush - he only seems to do well at MLG, so I hope that trend continues. He's underrated imho too.
People to fail:
Destiny - entertainment is no substitute for skill Haypro - doesn't deserve his seed Incontrol - doesn't deserve his seed TLO - doesn't deserve his seed Drewbie - doesn't deserve his seed
I may break the rules and put in more than 3 that I'm rooting for.
Win: slayers boxer/mma- Boxer for being the legend he is, and mma so that he can get back on track and start his road back into code A. And as far as foreigners vs koreans, I dont care. I want the best games possible and these 2 may just offer some of them.
liquid tyler- So tyler finally dropped out of pool play. Lets see if this motivates him more.
egincontrol- A few reasons why. First of all his mlg Dallas performance was really good, his mlg columbus, not so much. But the main reason is that he's dealt with a lot of hate from the community with that whole state of the game drama, even though he had no control over the situation.
Idra-I want to see him do well and get far again just so that we can see some epic games vs koreans.
Fail:
Spanishiwa- Okay, you created a new style thats very easy to stop. If they're toss just get immortals, if zerg just drone way harder because he wont attack, and if terran just get banshee's/siege tanks. Husky has unleashed his army of koolaid drinkers that think this man is a god. He's not, and when he loses first round maybe they'll all shut up about him.
sixjax major- Just because I believe in Karma, I dont hate him, just one tournament struggle would be nice.
Destiny - I feel he's due to put on a good showing and go deep into the Open bracket. He's been improving lately and as long as he can keep himself calm and collected and doesn't have another Greater Spire mishap, (MLG Dallas) he should put on a good show.
Strelok - Not sure if he's competing at Anaheim, but if he is, I'd love to see him bust out with a deep run especially after his Ambitious Terran project during which he plays no less than 7 hours of SC2 a day, plays 1 hour of sports and doesn't drink a drop of alcohol. I think that he's due for a big performance.
Boxer - The King of Brood War hasn't really shown that he is up to the highest level in SC2 yet, and winning MLG Anaheim would show that he really is one of the best players out there. And I'm always a sucker for the comeback Cinderella story.
Lose:
Idra - Sure I would be a fan of Idra if he wouldn't rage so hard at the most critical times. He showed us at MLG Columbus that when he is calm and collected there are not many people who can take a game, let alone a series, off of him. Unfortunately Idra always seems to explode in amazing fashion and I'm just waiting to see how he does it at Anaheim.
MMA - Hate to pick a fellow Terran to lose but I think that it wouldn't be a very exciting MLG if MMA repeated as champ. One of the biggest stories from MLG Columbus was when Naniwa (MLG Dallas Champ) lost to MC because he was overconfident and had his zealots dancing in MC's base.
Major - After the unsportsman like showing he had in the SEA tournament by competing in it even though it was for SEA citizens only. I really hope that karma catches up to him and he is eliminated early. A scandal like that is just unacceptable in the SC2 scene especially when there are so many other tournaments around.
Idra has said many times he wasn't titled or not calm he just got outplayed. At least in the MC series.
Hmmm... this is an interesting thread, I'd say players I'd truly love to see succeeding:
1.- SlayerS_BoxeR: BoxeR winning would probably make me one of the happiest men on earth. He'd be back to Code S and he just... deserves it so much. Come on boxer, I believe!!
2.- sixjax.MajOr: Or whatever his nick is right now. He's a great player, he just needs one big tournament show to gain some confidence and tournament experience, he's always been a big hope for foreigner SC but never truly delivered, I hope this is his time. Strangely, I feel his BM is purely out of being an awkward person and lacking confidence, but we'll have to see.
3.- White-Ra: Solely for being one of the nicest dudes on earth. Who the hell wouldn't want White-Ra to win?! He always plays creatively, he's the most manner player out there and is one of the original foreigner heroes. Let's go White-Ra you can take this one!
4.- Tyler: I'll add a fourth just because I've been waiting for this to happen for a long time but haven't lost hope yet. Tyler is an incredibly smart player, but I think he's suffering from a faint competitor's heart. He needs a win to get his confidence up, which will allow him to show his best play. When at his best, Tyler can be a beast, he just needs to regain that confidence.
Honorable mentions: Top3 Koreans, any teamliquid player, DRG, SeleCT
Now for 3 players I'd like to see fail at MLG:
1.- IdrA: It's sort of a visceral thing. His attitude has fed me up and I just wish to see him lose every match and go home winless. That would make me even happier than seeing boxer win it. I know it's possible.
2.- iNcontroL: He annoys me by talking too much. I also feel he's the recipient of undeserving hype, as he hasn't shown anything remarkable in SC2 since beta. I don't dislike him too much actually, but I think he should already drop out from pool play and give his spot to someone more deserving. This will probably sound strange considering I value White-Ra's manner so much, and yet InControl is always so manner in his matches. I don't know, White-Ra's manner is so genuine, I just don't see that in InC.
3.- Destiny: I just can't like him. He's been improving though, but I still think he's way overhyped. We'll see.
Destiny - I feel he's due to put on a good showing and go deep into the Open bracket. He's been improving lately and as long as he can keep himself calm and collected and doesn't have another Greater Spire mishap, (MLG Dallas) he should put on a good show.
Strelok - Not sure if he's competing at Anaheim, but if he is, I'd love to see him bust out with a deep run especially after his Ambitious Terran project during which he plays no less than 7 hours of SC2 a day, plays 1 hour of sports and doesn't drink a drop of alcohol. I think that he's due for a big performance.
Boxer - The King of Brood War hasn't really shown that he is up to the highest level in SC2 yet, and winning MLG Anaheim would show that he really is one of the best players out there. And I'm always a sucker for the comeback Cinderella story.
Lose:
Idra - Sure I would be a fan of Idra if he wouldn't rage so hard at the most critical times. He showed us at MLG Columbus that when he is calm and collected there are not many people who can take a game, let alone a series, off of him. Unfortunately Idra always seems to explode in amazing fashion and I'm just waiting to see how he does it at Anaheim.
MMA - Hate to pick a fellow Terran to lose but I think that it wouldn't be a very exciting MLG if MMA repeated as champ. One of the biggest stories from MLG Columbus was when Naniwa (MLG Dallas Champ) lost to MC because he was overconfident and had his zealots dancing in MC's base.
Major - After the unsportsman like showing he had in the SEA tournament by competing in it even though it was for SEA citizens only. I really hope that karma catches up to him and he is eliminated early. A scandal like that is just unacceptable in the SC2 scene especially when there are so many other tournaments around.
Idra has said many times he wasn't titled or not calm he just got outplayed. At least in the MC series.
If it wasn't rage then it simply wasn't caring enough about his extended series against MC. When he 2-0'd MC in macro style games to open MLG Columbus, there was no reason for him to do some variation of a roach ling all-in, that MC had already proven he could stop, TWICE in four games.
Also, if you guys don't like spanishiwa, don't root against him just because he has an annoying fan base. I don't think it's his fault that husky hyped him up so much and now everyone thinks he is the best Zerg in NA. He is not some attention whore or a BM player, he's a nice guy that's only 17 and is not even a professional gamer.
On July 25 2011 00:18 Snorkle wrote: fail: i hope DRG beats tyler just because karma's a bitch. then we need to get some of the baggage out of the top 16 pools so...
Yeah, fuck Tyler for complimenting DRG! What a dick...
I felt so bad for Strelok when his visa was only a day short for him to come to NASL where I am sure he would have placed highly. The dude is so intelligent, focused and practices with dedication and ferocity. I enjoy his play from a spectator perspective and his attitude player and person. Strelok and White-ra are kind of in the same boat where they deserve everything they get and no one can dislike them.
There is no need to bring disrespectful tone and wishes of ill fate upon fellow gamers. ^^. MLGs player pool is growing and the talent is sky rocketing. People made the top10 previously because there just wasn't a large number of skilled players attending MLG. With Anaheim's line-up being so stacked, there are a lot of players in danger of losing seeds and bombing out of the tournament.
Destiny - I feel he's due to put on a good showing and go deep into the Open bracket. He's been improving lately and as long as he can keep himself calm and collected and doesn't have another Greater Spire mishap, (MLG Dallas) he should put on a good show.
Strelok - Not sure if he's competing at Anaheim, but if he is, I'd love to see him bust out with a deep run especially after his Ambitious Terran project during which he plays no less than 7 hours of SC2 a day, plays 1 hour of sports and doesn't drink a drop of alcohol. I think that he's due for a big performance.
Boxer - The King of Brood War hasn't really shown that he is up to the highest level in SC2 yet, and winning MLG Anaheim would show that he really is one of the best players out there. And I'm always a sucker for the comeback Cinderella story.
Lose:
Idra - Sure I would be a fan of Idra if he wouldn't rage so hard at the most critical times. He showed us at MLG Columbus that when he is calm and collected there are not many people who can take a game, let alone a series, off of him. Unfortunately Idra always seems to explode in amazing fashion and I'm just waiting to see how he does it at Anaheim.
MMA - Hate to pick a fellow Terran to lose but I think that it wouldn't be a very exciting MLG if MMA repeated as champ. One of the biggest stories from MLG Columbus was when Naniwa (MLG Dallas Champ) lost to MC because he was overconfident and had his zealots dancing in MC's base.
Major - After the unsportsman like showing he had in the SEA tournament by competing in it even though it was for SEA citizens only. I really hope that karma catches up to him and he is eliminated early. A scandal like that is just unacceptable in the SC2 scene especially when there are so many other tournaments around.
Idra has said many times he wasn't titled or not calm he just got outplayed. At least in the MC series.
If it wasn't rage then it simply wasn't caring enough about his extended series against MC. When he 2-0'd MC in macro style games to open MLG Columbus, there was no reason for him to do some variation of a roach ling all-in, that MC had already proven he could stop, TWICE in four games.
Wouldn't have mattered because in every other series MC has proven even at a giant deficit he will beat Idra in a macro game, doubt it would have turned out any other way.
- DRG - This guy knows how to play zerg. None of the whining associated with zerg either. - BoxeR - Always root for the Emperor, I hope for a top 8 finish at least. - Torn on a 3rd.. if HuK is going, or maybe White-Ra or Sheth, who I think is the top US zerg.
players to fail:
- IdrA - He doesnt deserve to be in the top 32; No respect for whining idiots. - Major - along the same lines of IdrA, hes an idiot - Hard to think of a 3rd, I generally want all players to succeed if they are mannered, honest and dont whine about balance every single time they lose.. So outside of those two, I dunno who else is going who fits that category.. maybe someone like Avilo if somehow he conned a sponsor into sending his horrible ass lol.
I would like to see a non-korean place in top 3 and by non-korean i mean someome who doens't train and live in korea normally.
Terrans- qxc, thorzain, and select are probably the top 3 non-korean terrans(yes i know select is korean but see above) . If QXC is on his game he can beat anyone really so i would like to see him place
Protoss- White-Ra (no explanation needed here)
Zerg- not a big fan of the non-korean zergs. Idra is probably the best and may very well place. But if darkforce is playing then i would love for him to do well.
Destiny - I feel he's due to put on a good showing and go deep into the Open bracket. He's been improving lately and as long as he can keep himself calm and collected and doesn't have another Greater Spire mishap, (MLG Dallas) he should put on a good show.
Strelok - Not sure if he's competing at Anaheim, but if he is, I'd love to see him bust out with a deep run especially after his Ambitious Terran project during which he plays no less than 7 hours of SC2 a day, plays 1 hour of sports and doesn't drink a drop of alcohol. I think that he's due for a big performance.
Boxer - The King of Brood War hasn't really shown that he is up to the highest level in SC2 yet, and winning MLG Anaheim would show that he really is one of the best players out there. And I'm always a sucker for the comeback Cinderella story.
Lose:
Idra - Sure I would be a fan of Idra if he wouldn't rage so hard at the most critical times. He showed us at MLG Columbus that when he is calm and collected there are not many people who can take a game, let alone a series, off of him. Unfortunately Idra always seems to explode in amazing fashion and I'm just waiting to see how he does it at Anaheim.
MMA - Hate to pick a fellow Terran to lose but I think that it wouldn't be a very exciting MLG if MMA repeated as champ. One of the biggest stories from MLG Columbus was when Naniwa (MLG Dallas Champ) lost to MC because he was overconfident and had his zealots dancing in MC's base.
Major - After the unsportsman like showing he had in the SEA tournament by competing in it even though it was for SEA citizens only. I really hope that karma catches up to him and he is eliminated early. A scandal like that is just unacceptable in the SC2 scene especially when there are so many other tournaments around.
Idra has said many times he wasn't titled or not calm he just got outplayed. At least in the MC series.
If it wasn't rage then it simply wasn't caring enough about his extended series against MC. When he 2-0'd MC in macro style games to open MLG Columbus, there was no reason for him to do some variation of a roach ling all-in, that MC had already proven he could stop, TWICE in four games.
Wouldn't have mattered because in every other series MC has proven even at a giant deficit he will beat Idra in a macro game, doubt it would have turned out any other way.
So you're saying that the 2-0 of MC by IdrA at the start of the tournament was just a fluke and that there was no chance for IdrA to win 2/5 games by playing a macro style?
Lose: Incontrol (I just feel they don't "deserve" pool play, I would cheer for them in the open bracket.) TLO (I just feel they don't "deserve" pool play, I would cheer for them in the open bracket.) Koreans against foreigners
On July 25 2011 00:56 Skyze wrote: players to succeed:
- DRG - This guy knows how to play zerg. None of the whining associated with zerg either. - BoxeR - Always root for the Emperor, I hope for a top 8 finish at least. - Torn on a 3rd.. if HuK is going, or maybe White-Ra or Sheth, who I think is the top US zerg.
players to fail:
- IdrA - He doesnt deserve to be in the top 32; No respect for whining idiots. - Major - along the same lines of IdrA, hes an idiot - Hard to think of a 3rd, I generally want all players to succeed if they are mannered, honest and dont whine about balance every single time they lose.. So outside of those two, I dunno who else is going who fits that category.. maybe someone like Avilo if somehow he conned a sponsor into sending his horrible ass lol.
Any ranking on tournaments should be based on skill imo, not if they whine.
People wishing players to lose because they're over-hyped is just silly. It's not a player's fault for being effective with unorthodox styles of play (spanishiwa for a while, destiny's big fan base). If anything, it just puts way more pressure on them to perform and, when they don't, everyone calls them overrated and spits fire.
I see MVP taking it all. With MMA and DongRaeGu Korean Terran is unstoppable lately after the super tournament finals, MLG Columbus and Puma at NASL 1. I dont see Korean Terrans dropping out without a fight to easily. Saying that other Terrans really want a bite at the apple but after MMA getting devastated at the super tournament I dont see him wining MLG this time. Wildcard to watch out for has to be DongRaeGu I mean seriously! His Zerg play is amazing lately and it wont be long until he is dominating in code S. However due to not having the Code S experience yet Ive put him as the wildcard rather than the top contender. Biggest fail. As much as I dont want to say it. Boxer. I feel the Emperor isnt at the top of his game atm. When he finds form again Ill take all of this back and bow when I am asked. Other fails Im going to see is Idra. As great as he is watching his IPL games they are not that "amazing" as well as Kiwikaki he hasnt been as dominant as he can be.
Want to see? Jinro find more form again. His recent surge in Code A means Jinro has his confidence to regain the outstanding form we all know he has. Id love to see at least getting to finals of open bracket, but hes got such a hill to climb just with the open bracket players like White Ra ect.
DonRaeGu- He's always made for some very entertaining games, and this being his first big even outside Korea (I think?) I hope to see him to very well.
Sen- Always one of my favorite Zergs to watch, he always seems to do pretty well, but I wouldn't mind seeing him take the whole thing.
SlayerS_Boxer- Do I really need to explain this? I think everyone wants to see Boxer do well. He wasn't been posting the best results lately, I think a good showing in front of his foreign fans would be something wonderful to watch. Fighting!
Hopes to fail: EGiNcontrol- Well, what can I say? I've never disliked him, but during all the Puma controversy he didn't really seem to think EG did anything wrong. Hey bro, it's ok if you admit that the organization you work for didn't handle the situation properly.
Honestly that's all I can think of. I'd like to see a lot of the players coming from Korea do somewhat well. This includes the non-Korean ones as well, especially Qxc, I just don't want to see him do poorly after that all kill, I'm not a huge fan of him but I would like to see some major improvement since his time during Korea and who knows maybe I'll officially call myself a Qxc fan.
On some level though I kind of want all the EG players to fail miserably. I'd like to see any of the ones in the open bracket not make it through, the ones in group play to lose all their games humiliatingly. I know this won't happen because they've been training hardcore, but after the whole Puma thing they acted like they didn't do anything wrong; it wasn't the situation itself, just the way all of them handled it. However, I'll still be rooting for Idra, liked him before he was EG so I can't just stop liking him now, but was never a fan of the team EG, and was an "anti" until now.
IdrA - really hope he comes into MLG with his head in the game(for example, DONT LEAVE WHEN HE IS WINNING ^^) Incontrol - tired of people saying he doesnt belong in pools HuK <3
HM : Tyler(guy needs some motivation he is to good for esports to stop playing) + Sheth(just because of all the hate he is getting from the FXO situation. Guy made a personal choice for HIS life. Stop judging him for it :D)
To fail
Major - just hate his approach to the game(SEA thing and his BM mules drops annoy me) Destiny - love his stream for pure entertainment value but can not stand his fanboys or his playstyle. Like most people I do not want to see a Korean all kill. It is better for esports as a whole for foreigners to be on the same level as Koreans imo.
On a side note, for all of you saying it is "bm" or "rude" to root against someone to fail, I just do not get it. SC2 is just like any other sporting event IMO and there are going to be fans from both sides that want their player(s) to do well and others to fail. That is the nature of (e)sports. Get off your soapbox and embrace the fact that rivalries make the experience better for all involved(if kept in good nature). For example, being from Ohio the OSU/MU game is one of the biggest days of the year simply because both teams/fans do not like the other team/fans. The key is to keep the rivalry mannered so to speak. Without the rivalry the OSU/MU game would be just another football game and would not be nearly as enjoyable.
On July 25 2011 01:21 Tomfour wrote: Hopes to win:
DonRaeGu- He's always made for some very entertaining games, and this being his first big even outside Korea (I think?) I hope to see him to very well.
Sen- Always one of my favorite Zergs to watch, he always seems to do pretty well, but I wouldn't mind seeing him take the whole thing.
SlayerS_Boxer- Do I really need to explain this? I think everyone wants to see Boxer do well. He wasn't been posting the best results lately, I think a good showing in front of his foreign fans would be something wonderful to watch. Fighting!
Hopes to fail: EGiNcontrol- Well, what can I say? I've never disliked him, but during all the Puma controversy he didn't really seem to think EG did anything wrong. Hey bro, it's ok if you admit that the organization you work for didn't handle the situation properly.
Honestly that's all I can think of. I'd like to see a lot of the players coming from Korea do somewhat well. This includes the non-Korean ones as well, especially Qxc, I just don't want to see him do poorly after that all kill, I'm not a huge fan of him but I would like to see some major improvement since his time during Korea and who knows maybe I'll officially call myself a Qxc fan.
On some level though I kind of want all the EG players to fail miserably. I'd like to see any of the ones in the open bracket not make it through, the ones in group play to lose all their games humiliatingly. I know this won't happen because they've been training hardcore, but after the whole Puma thing they acted like they didn't do anything wrong; it wasn't the situation itself, just the way all of them handled it. However, I'll still be rooting for Idra, liked him before he was EG so I can't just stop liking him now, but was never a fan of the team EG, and was an "anti" until now.
Exactly my opinion. I really wan't EG to fail and like your hopes to Win. Would also like if Tyler did well, but only if it shows he has been training hard. Also have to cheer for my fellow Dutchie. Go Ret!
On July 25 2011 00:56 Skyze wrote: players to succeed:
- DRG - This guy knows how to play zerg. None of the whining associated with zerg either. - BoxeR - Always root for the Emperor, I hope for a top 8 finish at least. - Torn on a 3rd.. if HuK is going, or maybe White-Ra or Sheth, who I think is the top US zerg.
players to fail:
- IdrA - He doesnt deserve to be in the top 32; No respect for whining idiots. - Major - along the same lines of IdrA, hes an idiot - Hard to think of a 3rd, I generally want all players to succeed if they are mannered, honest and dont whine about balance every single time they lose.. So outside of those two, I dunno who else is going who fits that category.. maybe someone like Avilo if somehow he conned a sponsor into sending his horrible ass lol.
Any ranking on tournaments should be based on skill imo, not if they whine.
Ever heard of Karma? What goes around comes around; so in that case, I think IdrA is finally getting his taste lately, with his poor results in the past ~4 months. Major wont win anything big anytime soon IMO either.
MVP - Hope he wins the whole thing. Love his TvT and his dashing good looks. qxc - Nerd baller that showed incredible games versus IM Boxer - Probably wouldn't do that well but I would like to see some innovative games by him.
Fail: Destiny - If you want to talk about fanboys, the worse fans are Destiny fans. C'mon let's be honest here. PuMa - Yup. Idra - Does he even practice anymore?
1. MVP - Hasn't been doing as well in GSL lately, I'm excited to see him in the US for the first time (?) and I want him to turn it around.
2. iNcontrol - Even with all the EG hate recently, you still gotta love Geoff. Coming off casting NASL I think he'll be prepared for the tourney and I want him to put up a good showing.
3. Qxc - He'll parkour his way to victory.
Do badly:
1. MMA - I love him and I was so glad when he won last time, but I don't want him to win 2 straight. Give someone else a chance!
On July 25 2011 00:56 Skyze wrote: players to succeed:
- DRG - This guy knows how to play zerg. None of the whining associated with zerg either. - BoxeR - Always root for the Emperor, I hope for a top 8 finish at least. - Torn on a 3rd.. if HuK is going, or maybe White-Ra or Sheth, who I think is the top US zerg.
players to fail:
- IdrA - He doesnt deserve to be in the top 32; No respect for whining idiots. - Major - along the same lines of IdrA, hes an idiot - Hard to think of a 3rd, I generally want all players to succeed if they are mannered, honest and dont whine about balance every single time they lose.. So outside of those two, I dunno who else is going who fits that category.. maybe someone like Avilo if somehow he conned a sponsor into sending his horrible ass lol.
Any ranking on tournaments should be based on skill imo, not if they whine.
Ever heard of Karma? What goes around comes around; so in that case, I think IdrA is finally getting his taste lately, with his poor results in the past ~4 months. Major wont win anything big anytime soon IMO either.
His results have been as good as they ever were. He hasn't ever won a tourney with any Koreans or Europeans in it, not really doing any worse than he was. (not counting beta)
Bandanaman: Boss. bandana. Killing stuff. All in a days work at HMC. VPSuppy: Friend. Tear through that open bracket LzGaMeR: Just switched to zerg, but has posted some results in WCG Qualifiers. Cool guy, lots of people are hating on him. (xeris) Really awesome, but I don't think he has a snowballs chance in hell Fail:
inKa: I+He may have his fans, but all in all I find him to be all in. And overrated >.> Marinekingxpn: Have seen him on streams. I don't know, there was some off racing of a friend or something? Dunno, but whoever might have been borrowing his account was a douche >.> Team RaTz: Seriously, don't know if I capitalized that correctly. I don't give a care.
The post is a bit too much "I love FXO" and "I hate fanboys because they are retarded". Other than that the idea is nice.
To win: - Destiny for being Destiny. - Tyler, the foreign BoxeR! - DRG, because he's awesome and he needs to be in code S next season together with Puzzle.
To lose: - FXO; I generally dislike the way money is being thrown around. And they still can't show any notable results. - Incontrol; hypocrite, naive, and oh god I hope he isn't gonna use the ingame chat again like he did against Losira. - Koreans in open bracket (and MMA)
Both: IdrA; playing with a proper mindset I want him to win it all. Throwing games like he did at Columbus he can gtfo right after pool play.
Idra- I want him to come back to dominion and win this thing. We all know he's good, but results haven't been too impressive lately. Hopefully the EG boot camp put him back in shape.
sixjax.Major- I love drama, and imagine the drama if Major gets enough points to make pool play next MLG.
TLO- He is probably my favorite personality in SC2. I don't think he'll do that great, but one can hope that he's defeated carpal tunnel.
To fail:
Sheth- Lots of people love him, but I don't (not as a person but as a player). He doesn't seem to have that drive to win and is overrated greatly.
Slush- Overrated and there are way better players who deserved a pool spot.
DRG- Only because I'm afraid he's going to win MLG undefeated, and that'd be really embarrassing.
Destiny - I agree with the OP. I have been watching Destiny's stream for longer than SC2 has been released, and I can honestly say that his love of the game is very inspiring. He genuinely seems like he is having fun every time he plays, which gives me the feeling that he is just having the time of his life being a pro gamer. This makes him extremely likable to me.
Boxer - Need I say more? The Emperor winning an MLG would do great things for people's opinion of his skill level, and probably help shut up the haters claiming that he is no longer a skilled Starcraft player. Plus, SlayerS taking 1st place two MLGs in a row would be sweet!
Tyler - I've loved watching him play ever sense the beta started. Match that with his "chill" personality, and his vocal forum presence (see below), I can't help but root for the guy!
To Fail:
EG - Despite being a big fan of Idra, the shady goings on of EG recently have really put a bad taste in my mouth. I know that this is more because of the management than because of the players, but perhaps this will show the corporate suits at the top that you can't just buy success.
Major - He seems like a prick. Like, a real prick. Not in the likable "Idra" way where he BMs in games, but seems like hes a cool guy in general. Plus, i'm not a big fan of cheaters and liars. Due to recent events, I have to throw Major into this category.
Koreans - Not that I want them to fail, but I would love for at least 1-2 of the top 3 slots to go to foreigners this time around.
DRG - so he can get into code S and finally compete with the best. Boxer - cause I'm a nostalgic... Realistically, I don't see him in the top 8. WhiteRa - my favorite foreign player in both BW and SC2.
Fail:
Spanishiwa - way overrated - his fanboys think he's the fourth race or the redeemer of the zerg race...bah! Major - because he's a jerk. Thorzain - for some reason, I still think he's a bit overrated. Or maybe I just don't like him...
IdrA - This is really just because I'm his #1 Fan. But he usually puts on good games, so the finals should be good unless they cheese him all of the games. IdrA also needs a #1st place because people keep calling him bad even though he is the most consistent player.
qxc - He plays a brilliant style, and I want him to get some accomplishments to maybe motivate him to switch to SC2 full time. When he was in the slump because of his college, it was really depressing.
Foreigners - I was trying to pick a specific player, but I couldn't. But all of the players I was trying to choose from were foreigners. I just hope foreigners do well. Not 100% top 16 or anything, but I want to see them show good games versus the Koreans and take some series off of some.
Hopes to Fail:
Koreans - I don't hope they just downright suck. I just don't want one to win 1st place. I want the foreigner/Korean ratio in the top 6 to be about 1:1. But if a foreigner wins 1st place, them I'm satisfied.
drewbie - I really want to see him out of pool play. I have not seen him do a single thing lately.
Sjow - Since everyone knows you just need to make him multi-task a little, he seems like a really easy opponent. IMO, it's pretty pathetic to be known for "low APM," in Starcraft, and because of that, I see him falling short in big tournaments in the future unless he gets rid of his Low APM.
On July 25 2011 01:28 Skyze wrote: Ever heard of Karma? What goes around comes around; so in that case, I think IdrA is finally getting his taste lately, with his poor results in the past ~4 months.
Poor results? What poor results? I mean...unless getting 1st place is the only thing that isn't poor results.
It's so hard to pick 3, I want everyone to do well. I love MMA and BoxeR but I think I want a foreigner to win this MLG, so Ill go with:
iNcontroL - I really hope his practice time has paid off since he quit casting, and maybe we can see some really great things from him.
Strelok - I've always thought Strelok was one of the most underrated players in the world; he has a great style and great preparation. Plus, I love cheering for players coming from the open bracket.
WhiteRa - He's WhiteRa.
To fail:
Major and Destiny, not gonna talk a lot about it.
MVP - Opposite of Strelok, the most overrated player in the world. He could go out in round 1 of every GSL for the next year, and people would still call him the best player in the world as long as he has one good finish. I really hope MMA and DRG own him up in this tournament.
I hope all of the VPGamers guys do good and get their names out there (more so than they are), really underrated players iMO and I am ont just saying that because I am part of the orgainzation
White-ra, this guy is awesome Boxer and DRG qxc, with his all kill of IM and beating MVP in the gstl, I think qxc has gotten out of his slump!
I agree with the thing about spanishiwa. He is very creative, and pretty good, but he is way overrated still. I'm okay with major, he's good but hes always been like this, immature. I personally don't like Destiny's play that much. He did beat those koreans but that is probably because they have never seen the play he has done. I believe he lost a few other games to foreigners. His play is very entertaining and funny but I just dont think he plays seriously enough to be the best of the best. And yes I do know that he has been practicing a lot lately, but still.
I want a non korean to win, and i hope spanishiwa gets crushed by a no name player, he's a really nice guy but I want him to lose to shut up the fanboys that consider him one of the best players in the world.
DRG - How can you not like his play? Almost perfect and domintes. Destiny - Fantastic Infestor micro HuK - he's really impressed me lately, MC the 2nd.
3 to fail IdrA - Grown men don't whine where I come from. It's disgusting. Alicia - Overrated protoss Major - scammy
I see that most people want the overrated players to fail...so I propose we add a top 3 overrated player list in case it differs from the fail 3 list
Mine would be: MVP, Jinro and Tyler (I'm tired of everyone praising his refined builds when he goes on losing... "What a superb, well-prepared build!!! ...oh, he lost..." I'm not naming Spanishiwa here because he's on my fail list.
To do well: Boxer (The grizzled veteran has been getting way too much shit) MVP (The guy is an amazing player, but unfortunately a few losses put him way down only because you see so little of him due to the lack of big tournaments) Choya (The guy works hard for his team as a coach, as a player, and works hard to make sure his team gets food on their plates and rarely ever gets any recognition for what he is other than as a cheesy nub)
To fail: Fan favorites, outside of my hopes to succeed that is (They get way too much credit when other equally good players like Byun or Polt for ex. just goes unrecognized until they win that is)
MVP - Opposite of Strelok, the most overrated player in the world. He could go out in round 1 of every GSL for the next year, and people would still call him the best player in the world as long as he has one good finish. I really hope MMA and DRG own him up in this tournament.
Judging whether a player is overrated or not is probably the most useless activity than can be done, because it depends 99% on sympathy and a lack of good information. I guess than the only foreigners that can really say something about a korean's qualities are Artosis and Tasteless and as soon as it comes to comparisons of the koreign vs. foreign scene nobody in the world can make accurate descriptions of skill, talent and all of that stuff.
Boxer - he will always be a hero Destiny - he has been working hard for months and he's due for an even better showing Sterling - a relative nobody, but his stream is cool, he's very humble, and he's quite good considering his lack of publicity.
Fail:
Desrow - I don't even know if he's going. He's just a dick. Major - see above Machine - the guy has been riding his beta/early SC2 wave for so long. He's also a member of EG, and my respect for them is at an all time low
Fail: He is the only one I would hope does awful he is a dick like you said and not the Idra kind like BMing for no reason
Do well Idra DRG Destiny(maybe idk just a zerg I wish julyzerg was coming back)
On July 24 2011 23:17 Haggis wrote: your Spanishwa comments are fairly harsh, I don't think anyone thinks he's the best player in the world....
People enjoy watching him because he uses creative and somewhat crazy builds,
Also his Icefisher build I believe has improved a lot of players play, Am just a gold leaguer myself, but Its done wonders for my play, just by copying some of the fundamentals of it to suit my playstyle.
haha. Even Spanishiwa doesn't do Spanishiwa anymore practicing for MLG. I think good scouting and reaction while droning is pretty blatant/obvious when playing zerg.
Want to do well: -Nony (Tyler...): time to stop the slump and show people why you're so hyped. -Ret: always loved Ret, especially his streams from Korea when he was sitting in PC bangs ^^. -Boxer: he's the god damn emperor, a win for him would just be the perfect story.
Want to fail: -Major: hopefully karma comes around. -Desrow: don't know a load about him but he seems to act like a dick. -Koreans who arn't boxer: who wouldn't love to see a load of foreigners winning games?
To succeed: Nony - Home team plus an awesome bw player and personality. I've gained a lot from him over the years Jinro - Home team plus an awesome bw player and personality. I've gained a lot from him over the years Lz/Machine! I've watched Lz's stream since bw and Machine always seemed like a really funny, friendly guy.
To fail: Every korean. Its not that I have something against them, its just that it feels like every victory over a korean is a step forward for foreign e-sports (Boxer transcends race)
Jinro: Because I miss the days when people still feared the chin. Want him back in Code S.
Qxc: He's similar to Socke, a very solid player since the beta, who just hasn't really had many breakthrough performances. With his recent all-kill, however, it seems people are taking notice of this.
Haypro: Never really gets any love. I have to admit, when I see haypro in the lineup I think of him as one who will quickly be eliminated in a disappointing fashion. At one point or another, I feel like every member of Liquid has enjoyed their share of praise, except this guy. He's in the group of death at mlg. I, like many, expect him to get owned. I hope he surprises us all.
Fail:
Drewbie: Is anyone besides me just tired of this guy? Not really his character or anything that irks me, it's just that he's BORING. He comes across as just another undistinguished pro. He's like terran #126. Maybe it's just me, but it just always feels like mlg will stream his matches over something much better. "LOLZ hey guyz! We've got MMA vs. BoxeR going on right now, but instead we're going to bring you a Drewbie match :D. A Drewbie match. Drewbie"
All of the Koreans except for DRG and BoxeR: If a foreigner doesn't win it, I hope one of these two do.
Nony, Upgrade to a zealot vs everyone! Jinro, I want the Gorilla Terran to be what he was. (Really, rooting for Team Liquid as a whole, Ret, TLO, Haypro and Huk <3) White-Ra, awesome Protoss and personality.
Fail:
I guess Destiny, Spanishwa and every other streamer hyped like hell without any noteworthy LAN results but I have no problems with the players in question.
- Most terrans basically. I play terran myself and if terrans do well there's obviously more to learn for me.
Want to fail(hard):
- HuK because he's arrogant as hell and has absolutely no reason to be imho. In terms of raw talent I don't think he's even close to being one of the best. The way I see it most of his skill comes from sheer amount of practice and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that but it just doesn't fit to his "I pwn every1 easily" attitude. To top it off there are his extremely premature "Well, I'm the best so I'm probably going to win the whole thing" predictions - that's why I want him to drop out as early as possible from any tournament to change his behaviour. Apart from that he's a pretty likeable fellow.
- IdrA because of his constant balance whining. I've actually grown to like the guy and since I've stopped taking his BM seriously it's very amusing. I also don't mind the occasional balance complaint in moments of rage. What I absolutely can't stand however is his insistence on his race being the weakest, even in completely calm discussions outside of the game.
Edit:
- Boxer too actually. It's an entirely different thing than with the other two though. I know this is going to be considered blasphemy, but I actually think he should quit playing actively. He had his time, he won his titles and he had his moments in the spotlight. Imho he should switch to coaching or do something else representing eSports. I'm also kinda tired of people going totally batshit insane about everything concerning or connected to Boxer.
To win : Jinro- Obivious reasons Dongreagu- Time to prove yourself outside team league. Boxer- The emperor should really have a gsl spot To fail: MMA- Haven't really impressed me. Spanishiwa-Overrated HD- Can't stand him
To win: Boxer- Nuff said. this guy is the Emperor of starcraft, i want him to at least make the top 4 SixJaxMajor- You are the man, fuck what the rest of them says, Major is one of the best terrans that has ever came to the scene, i hope he wins MLG to shut the haters up. FXOqxc- He's ballin. You've heard of this guy
To loose/Bomb out
vile.Spanishiwa- Okay, there is nothing really special about this guy, its just his openings, kinda like Jinro when he went into the GSL with his passive macro style, but the thing is now almost everybody knows how to react to his type of late gas expand builds.
2 & 3 are for anybody who is ridiculously over rated like Spanishiwa.
To Win: DongRaeGu - He really deserves that Code S spot Jinro - Some people think he's fallen from grace, but I think he still has it in him. Destiny - I used to dislike Destiny, but at MLG Columbus, he was such a stand up guy. A ton of people were crowded around him in the open area and he talked to us after his matches and was overall a really nice guy.
To Lose: IdrA - Can't stand his attitude on balance.
On July 25 2011 02:32 LanTAs wrote: To win: Boxer- Nuff said. this guy is the Emperor of starcraft, i want him to at least make the top 4 SixJaxMajor- You are the man, fuck what the rest of them says, Major is one of the best terrans that has ever came to the scene, i hope he wins MLG to shut the haters up. FXOqxc- He's ballin. You've heard of this guy
To loose/Bomb out
vile.Spanishiwa- Okay, there is nothing really special about this guy, its just his openings, kinda like Jinro when he went into the GSL with his passive macro style, but the thing is now almost everybody knows how to react to his type of late gas expand builds.
2 & 3 are for anybody who is ridiculously over rated like Spanishiwa.
Haha Major is a mediocre foreigner at best with no results.
DongRaeGu: This guy is heroic, it seems like the more the misses out on code A, the more his legend grows lol. I love watching his play and hope he kicks ass.
Jinro: Name one thing that isn't likable about Jinro. I have a feeling he's due to get back to his level when he made 2 straight semi's in the gsl, can't wait to see!
QXC: You've heard of him, he's playing his best, and he looks like John Lennon.
To do not so well:
Major: He just rubs me the wrong way in every way, the SEA tournament incident really showed he has some growing up to do.
I'm having a hard time thinking of 2 more, maybe Choya?
On July 24 2011 20:54 MandoRelease wrote: Back on topic. People I want to win Any zerg player, because they are better players. And bias has nothing to do with that opinion.
The internet should not tolerate this blatant racism!!!
On July 25 2011 02:34 VeryAverage wrote: To Win: DongRaeGu - He really deserves that Code S spot Jinro - Some people think he's fallen from grace, but I think he still has it in him. Destiny - I used to dislike Destiny, but at MLG Columbus, he was such a stand up guy. A ton of people were crowded around him in the open area and he talked to us after his matches and was overall a really nice guy.
To Lose: IdrA - Can't stand his attitude on balance.
The only person I actively root against.
He actually claims the game is much more balanced. Watch more recent episodes of Inside the Game please.
On July 25 2011 02:32 LanTAs wrote: To win: Boxer- Nuff said. this guy is the Emperor of starcraft, i want him to at least make the top 4 SixJaxMajor- You are the man, fuck what the rest of them says, Major is one of the best terrans that has ever came to the scene, i hope he wins MLG to shut the haters up. FXOqxc- He's ballin. You've heard of this guy
To loose/Bomb out
vile.Spanishiwa- Okay, there is nothing really special about this guy, its just his openings, kinda like Jinro when he went into the GSL with his passive macro style, but the thing is now almost everybody knows how to react to his type of late gas expand builds.
2 & 3 are for anybody who is ridiculously over rated like Spanishiwa.
Haha Major is a mediocre foreigner at best with no results.
Lol. I don't even think it's worth arguing with people like this...
On July 25 2011 01:10 Newguy wrote: Fail: kawaiirice
I'm sorry, how can you root against Kawaiirice?!? Does he stream too much on all three servers for you? Is he too friendly and good mannered? Does he practice too much only to get no respect from top players?
It just feels so injust that someone could root against him, I didn't even know he was entering but it would make the entire tournament for me to see him do well
Win #1: ToD. What can i say, i'm a fanboy from the WC3 days. Win #2: Naniwa. Win #3 Huk. Just because he's the foreigner most likely to beat the Koreans.
Bonus Win: Mr. Bitter!
Lose #1: BoxerR. Just so we can hear all the fanboys crying into their juice. Lose #2-#3 whatever, i don't really care that much who loses. Maybe Idra, but he seems to have grown up quite a lot lately.
On July 24 2011 22:30 skrzmark wrote: where do people get that destiny beat bomber 2-1? I'm sure you guys aren't lying to me I just want to know where at.
To win - IdrA: He splits the audiences to haters and fans I get thrown into the fan side. He doesnt engage as well as DRG and is not as innovative as some of the communitys attractions, But he has his own style and no one can ever take his place.
-DongRaeGu: Always counterattacks when pushed, always engages perfectly with surrounds and flanks. I get the feeling he always plays safe and counts on his ability to engage with 100% perfect to keep himself in the game and eventually get the lead and win the game.
-Someone completely unknown: Yes, I want someone who made his way into the MLG and stormed the open bracket without anyone knowing he existed before that day. I want some drama to rise from this mysterious new face, even if its only his 1 weekend of fame, I want someone to create a huge community upset and take out 1 of those really good players at the open bracket.
I tried to think about who I want to lose but I couldn't really come up with anyone specific... I think some people are overrated but they dont need to be wished down to drop, they will do so by their own accord.
My to do well hopes: 1. BoxeR - It would be amazing to see him in the finals and even more to see him triumph. 2. TLO - Hope he's been recovering well but it'll be awesome seeing his play again! 3. DRG - Always a fan of sick good Zerg play
As for the players I'll enjoy cheering against (nothing against them, sometimes it's fun cheering against good players): 1. IdrA - Why not? He makes cheering against him so fun! 2. Kiwikaki - I have a habit of cheering against Protoss players; the fact that he's good makes it more interesting. 3. iNcontroL - same as above.
To succeed: 1. I want whitera to take first place 2. Nony 3. Catz 4-20. Almost everyone else.
To fail: Last time, I said nobody. This time, i'll say anyone in pool play that doesn't deserve the spot. People who get seeded into the higher rounds of the tournament while greater players have to roll dice to get through the open bracket.
On July 25 2011 02:32 LanTAs wrote: To win: Boxer- Nuff said. this guy is the Emperor of starcraft, i want him to at least make the top 4 SixJaxMajor- You are the man, fuck what the rest of them says, Major is one of the best terrans that has ever came to the scene, i hope he wins MLG to shut the haters up. FXOqxc- He's ballin. You've heard of this guy
To loose/Bomb out
vile.Spanishiwa- Okay, there is nothing really special about this guy, its just his openings, kinda like Jinro when he went into the GSL with his passive macro style, but the thing is now almost everybody knows how to react to his type of late gas expand builds.
2 & 3 are for anybody who is ridiculously over rated like Spanishiwa.
Haha Major is a mediocre foreigner at best with no results.
Lol. I don't even think it's worth arguing with people like this...
What notable accomplishments does he have? 16th at MLG? Yeah he's definitely one of hte best that's ever entered the scene!!!!!!!
To be honest, I wanna see Sheth do really well He's so well mannered, and isn't too bad of a player I think if he can get over his stage fright and whatnot, he'll be pretty damn good
Major. Yeah I said it. I know he's done some shitty things but I really like his play and I always remember his interview at Colombus where in response to being asked for a message to his fans, he just looked so sad and said everyone hated him. I don't; I think he's a good player who has shown impressive play in the relatively short time since he arrived on the scene. He might be a dumb kid in a lot of ways but he'll grow up.
Tyler. To shut doubters the fuck up.
As for a third...hmmm. I like Naniwa but he won Dallas recently, someone else can have some glory. Boxer or Jinro I think. Boxer because Boxer, Jinro because people seem to forget the MLG he came and owned out of nowhere.
Well IdrA - Favorite player, despite haters being ignorant, almost always places high in tourneys.
MVP - Has not really won anything in a very long time, kinda stuttering after his GSL wins
Naniwa - Favorite protoss player, overall best foreign protoss if he can get rid of his small errors.
Fail DongRaegu - Most over-hyped player in SC2 history. People are saying he will sweep MLG, when people said the same thing about MC (a better player than DRG), who failed to win Dreamhack, NASL, Homestory, MLG, etc.
Drewbie - Do not feel is good enough to stay seeded anymore while new blood/koreans are in the open.
Haypro - Do not feel is good enough to stay seeded anymore while new blood/koreans are in the open.
On July 24 2011 16:40 Loki57 wrote: This could be a fine thread if people manage to realize that personal opinions are purely that, personal opinions. Hoping for somebody to fail is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that theres some kind of outright hatred for that person, and arguing over it is stupid, to be frank.
Edit because I forgot to give my people ;p
To succeed:
Destiny *BOXER* Whitera
To fail:
Major Spanishiwa IdrA
I bet you want Idra to fail just so you can see him rage Im with you on that one lol
To win: QXC - Destiny - Boxer :D
To fail: Idra - Every Korean except 1 or 2 (I want to see at least some foreigners succeed in every tournament)
To Win: DongRaeGu: This guy with his somewhat impressive performance deserves atleast a code A spot, so I'm rooting him on to take ATLEAST a code A spot and place highly (plus he is a zerg so I guess some love extends that way) BoxeR: .... If he made a huge comeback from MLG Anaheim just think about the history I could tell my grandchildren someday HuK: Even though I have 2 koreans on my "To win" list, first of all I am rooting for foreigners(BoxeR and DRG being the only koreans I'm rooting for) but I really am hoping for HuK to win because he is my favorite foreinger. He wouldn't benefit from winning a GSL spot however.
To Lose: Although I'm not a fan of wanting someone to lose I guess ill post an opinion.
Desrow : Major dick Major: ^ IMMVP: I just don't want any koreans winning past BoxeR and DRG
I would love to see people from the lesser known but very good NA teams make a showing. Basically people from Complexity, Sixjax, and Reign. I feel like if I had to pick one from each team:
All i have to say is, You better hope you are not going to MLG, this is going low to talk about players who spend the time to perform. They are not here for you to like them, they are going to do well and do the best they can who are you, some random kid who has accomplished nothing to go and talk shit on all these people. Its completely disrespectful. This is exactly the type of people that should not be part of this community. There is a difference between having your opinion and straight up bashing another player on a site that has thousands of viewers when the other person can not even defend himself. All i have to say is, if i run into you at MLG. Expect to explain yourself.
I'm sorry, but I REALLY want Nani to grab another big tournament win. He even noted on his own twitter he thought he was in a phase of mediocre second and third places. There are other players I really like in the tournament other than Nani, but none I like as much as him. Or, well, i guess i can edit it a lil bit:
1. Naniwa 2. Boxer 3. Naniwa
There we go, less biased (shoutout to Moderate Temperature for remaining unbiased).
Tough one, theres not really many players I actively dislike, and none of them are really in MLG, but here goes
1. DongRaeGu - This guy is a fantastic player. Easily top 3 Zerg in my humble opinion. But I feel he's a little cocky. And he's OP in GSTL, so I vote against him. I don't like wish for him to DIE with the passion of a thousand suns, but if he played against, say, Naniwa or Boxer I might give a few curses when/if he wins
2. RGNPerfect - If this guy isn't actually in anaheim i just made an ass of myself but I think I spot him on the player list. I'm sorry, but I have not gotten a good impression what so ever from this guy. Here are my past experiences with Perfect:
- Saw him on yen's stream a while ago, Perfect proxy 2gated and ragequit after it failed miserably. - Saw him on vVvRigid's stream (also a while ago) where he 4gated. Rigid held with banelings and Perfect said: "Do you know this build?" Rigid: "What, 4gate?" Perfect: "No, countering it with the imbalanced unit" (then he ragequit)
Third of all I saw him play against Ret in some weekly tourney just a week or so ago. Perfect did a 7gate blink timing attack, put down some of the worst forcefields i've ever seen (literally, he piled them on top of each other) and proceeded to ragequit after Ret held it with ease. I can understand being frustrated with yourself, but you really should be mature enough to type out GG. Especially against a titan like Ret. I don't mean to be playah hatin or whatever, but I was asked to mention three "to lose" so can't help but criticize him a bit.
And THAT is why I don't like perfect. Moooving on!
3. coLDrewbie - Another player I just get bad impressions of. I feel like he hasn't accomplished much, and he got absolutely smashed by Europe. Now, I can't blame somebody for losing to top notch EU players, but the nail in the coffin was killing his own CC last game against Goody. Again, like with Perfect, I can understand his frustration. But it doesn't justify such a disrespectful move either way. I know he apologized, but it doesn't change what he did (sounds dramatic, I know).
All i have to say is, You better hope you are not going to MLG, this is going low to talk about players who spend the time to perform. They are not here for you to like them, they are going to do well and do the best they can who are you, some random kid who has accomplished nothing to go and talk shit on all these people. Its completely disrespectful. This is exactly the type of people that should not be part of this community. There is a difference between having your opinion and straight up bashing another player on a site that has thousands of viewers when the other person can not even defend himself. All i have to say is, if i run into you at MLG. Expect to explain yourself.
Are you serious? He is stating his opinion..are you going to go up to every person who says ANYTHING bad about any person in the community and have them "explain themselves"? I doubt it, last I checked everyone is open to have their own opinions on this site(if presented in the proper way obviously).
Get over it. Not everyone is going to like every player for whatever reason, as long as they are not calling them disrespecting names then learn to live it with.
All i have to say is, You better hope you are not going to MLG, this is going low to talk about players who spend the time to perform. They are not here for you to like them, they are going to do well and do the best they can who are you, some random kid who has accomplished nothing to go and talk shit on all these people. Its completely disrespectful. This is exactly the type of people that should not be part of this community. There is a difference between having your opinion and straight up bashing another player on a site that has thousands of viewers when the other person can not even defend himself. All i have to say is, if i run into you at MLG. Expect to explain yourself.
To win: White-Ra - Ultra skilled, amazing decision making, not a cheesy spambot like most korean P's. Oh yeah, he's also the nicest, most mannered person ever. Boxer - He could really use a win, and having hi back on top after such a slump would be awesome for e-sports. Also would attract a lot of Korean attention to the foreigner scene. Liquid'Tyler - Just because he's by far my favorite player lol. Although realistically I wouldn't put money on him right now
To lose: Destiny - Ridiculously predictable player. He's got a lot better sure, which is why pro players took notice of his infestor-heavy style and will pick him apart. Oh yeah, he's also racist. Desrow/Major - For pulling douche moves recently.
All i have to say is, You better hope you are not going to MLG, this is going low to talk about players who spend the time to perform. They are not here for you to like them, they are going to do well and do the best they can who are you, some random kid who has accomplished nothing to go and talk shit on all these people. Its completely disrespectful. This is exactly the type of people that should not be part of this community. There is a difference between having your opinion and straight up bashing another player on a site that has thousands of viewers when the other person can not even defend himself. All i have to say is, if i run into you at MLG. Expect to explain yourself.
Are you serious? He is stating his opinion..are you going to go up to every person who says ANYTHING bad about any person in the community and have them "explain themselves"? I doubt it, last I checked everyone is open to have their own opinions on this site(if presented in the proper way obviously).
Get over it. Not everyone is going to like every player for whatever reason, as long as they are not calling them disrespecting names then learn to live it with.
Last I checked, TL wasn't a community that condoned such obvious bashing threads. Or maybe things have changed since in the past 6 years I've been a member here..
Maybe I should make a thread on 3 TL members I think should be promoted to moderator and 3 members I think should be banned..
All i have to say is, You better hope you are not going to MLG, this is going low to talk about players who spend the time to perform. They are not here for you to like them, they are going to do well and do the best they can who are you, some random kid who has accomplished nothing to go and talk shit on all these people. Its completely disrespectful. This is exactly the type of people that should not be part of this community. There is a difference between having your opinion and straight up bashing another player on a site that has thousands of viewers when the other person can not even defend himself. All i have to say is, if i run into you at MLG. Expect to explain yourself.
Are you serious? He is stating his opinion..are you going to go up to every person who says ANYTHING bad about any person in the community and have them "explain themselves"? I doubt it, last I checked everyone is open to have their own opinions on this site(if presented in the proper way obviously).
Get over it. Not everyone is going to like every player for whatever reason, as long as they are not calling them disrespecting names then learn to live it with.
Last I checked, TL wasn't a community that condoned such obvious bashing threads. Or maybe things have changed since in the past 6 years I've been a member here..
Maybe I should make a thread on 3 TL members I think should be promoted to moderator and 3 members I think should be banned..
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Profit! Prosper!
He is not bashing, he is giving his evaluation of them as players. Bashing is "omg I hate X player because he is a stupid idiot" Two completely different things.
2. Naniwa - I feel like he is one of the most hardworking progamers in EU, and deserves good results
3. BoxeR - I am pretty sure the Emperor puts a lot of time in sc2, and after being eliminated from code A, now it's his time to prove himslelf.
To lose: (I am not hoping for any of these players to lose, but these are the players I expect to do poorly)
1. Machine - I can't even remember when is the last time I saw him win against any decent player. Seems like a nice guy, but his game sense is lacking.
2. Tyler - I just feel like he practices way too little. I think he is an cool personality, but I think the practice just isn't there. Or am I wrong?
3. HayprO - Once again a nice guy, but in terms of actual results, I am not impressed.
On July 25 2011 02:32 LanTAs wrote: To win: Boxer- Nuff said. this guy is the Emperor of starcraft, i want him to at least make the top 4 SixJaxMajor- You are the man, fuck what the rest of them says, Major is one of the best terrans that has ever came to the scene, i hope he wins MLG to shut the haters up. FXOqxc- He's ballin. You've heard of this guy
To loose/Bomb out
vile.Spanishiwa- Okay, there is nothing really special about this guy, its just his openings, kinda like Jinro when he went into the GSL with his passive macro style, but the thing is now almost everybody knows how to react to his type of late gas expand builds.
2 & 3 are for anybody who is ridiculously over rated like Spanishiwa.
Haha Major is a mediocre foreigner at best with no results.
Lol. I don't even think it's worth arguing with people like this...
What notable accomplishments does he have? 16th at MLG? Yeah he's definitely one of hte best that's ever entered the scene!!!!!!!
Did I say something about Major being the best ? For "intelligent" guys like you, I even bolded the ridiculous part of your comment, hoping you would separate your stupid bias from real facts, but I guess I was asking too much from you.
On July 25 2011 02:32 LanTAs wrote: To win: Boxer- Nuff said. this guy is the Emperor of starcraft, i want him to at least make the top 4 SixJaxMajor- You are the man, fuck what the rest of them says, Major is one of the best terrans that has ever came to the scene, i hope he wins MLG to shut the haters up. FXOqxc- He's ballin. You've heard of this guy
To loose/Bomb out
vile.Spanishiwa- Okay, there is nothing really special about this guy, its just his openings, kinda like Jinro when he went into the GSL with his passive macro style, but the thing is now almost everybody knows how to react to his type of late gas expand builds.
2 & 3 are for anybody who is ridiculously over rated like Spanishiwa.
Haha Major is a mediocre foreigner at best with no results.
Lol. I don't even think it's worth arguing with people like this...
What notable accomplishments does he have? 16th at MLG? Yeah he's definitely one of hte best that's ever entered the scene!!!!!!!
Did I say something about Major being the best ? For "intelligent" guys like you, I even bolded the ridiculous part of your comment, hoping you would separate your stupid bias from real facts, but I guess I was asking too much from you.
What has he done that is anything but mediocre? For "intelligent" guys like you, I would of hoped you would present some actual information, I guess that's asking too much of you.
IdrA Have loved his play ever since i've gotten the game. I accept how he acts so i guess i'm more tolerant to the other stuff but i just want to see him do well again since he has dropped off for about 2 months.
DongRaeGu My favourite player along with Bomber. Love his play, and i'm so excited for his replays. Want to see him get a big win and that Code S spot he deserves to prove himself finally!
Jinro I feel so bad for Jinro for all the shit he takes after dropping off, but i love his play/work ethic and i love how he has been on TeamLiquid as a person and i hope he does well and proves doubters wrong.
To Fail I never want anyone to fail, but only this man:
MajOr Just hope karma can rear it's ugly head for one time. He is an amazing player but i just wish he could show some professionalism!
-SeleCT- bc how can you not like him? he's quiet, but in that humble kind of way, but he's still a boss
-DRG- bc Korean Zergs are exciting to watch
to lose
-Tyler, i love the old player, hate this one, either stop being a has-been and step it up or get out of the scene already, you can only ride the "i could do well if i put forth the max effort" train so long. until you finally do even relatively good in something. you are getting treated like everyone else. a bad player
-Boxer, i love how all the posts in this thread(and everywhere else for that matter) are like, "OH EM GEE, it's the Emperor, everyone bow down and commence giving him Fellatio. he's so good and made gaming what it is." then you look at their profile page and see they joined TL late last year and overwhelming more than likely(there are probably a scant few exceptions) that they never knew who Boxer was when he really mattered(myself included*) compared to the rest of the population of this community, Brood War spectator Vets probably arent even in the double digits of spectator percentages. Get off the bandwagon and worship someone that you are actually famaliar with. He's not a god, or really a good sc2 player comparatively, more often than not seemingly anymore all he does is cute cheeses.i want to see him crash hard. on the other hand if he plays brilliantly and straight up. tear yourself a path all the way to the finals!
-End Rant
-MC, He's a beast. he understands his class perfectly with the flawless execution and decision making skills to back it up. but he's in every single major tourney. and nearly always placing top 3 or better. I'd like to see him knocked out early so other good players can breathe easier knowing he isnt gunning around the next corner.
*disclaimer, i found TL and started following pro SC about 2 days before the TSL2(it was my first tourney to watch) so i dont know everything in BW, i didnt make an actual TL account until like nearly 2 years later.
-MC, He's a beast. he understands his class perfectly with the flawless execution and decision making skills to back it up. but he's in every single major tourney. and nearly always placing top 3 or better. I'd like to see him knocked out early so other good players can breathe easier knowing he isnt gunning around the next corner.
-SeleCT- bc how can you not like him? he's quiet, but in that humble kind of way, but he's still a boss
-DRG- bc Korean Zergs are exciting to watch
to lose
-Tyler, i love the old player, hate this one, either stop being a has-been and step it up or get out of the scene already, you can only ride the "i could do well if i put forth the max effort" train so long. until you finally do even relatively good in something. you are getting treated like everyone else. a bad player
-Boxer, i love how all the posts in this thread(and everywhere else for that matter) are like, "OH EM GEE, it's the Emperor, everyone bow down and commence giving him Fellatio. he's so good and made gaming what it is." then you look at their profile page and see they joined TL late last year and overwhelming more than likely(there are probably a scant few exceptions) that they never knew who Boxer was when he really mattered(myself included) compared to the rest of the population of this community, Brood War spectator Vets probably arent even in the double digits of spectator percentages. Get off the bandwagon and worship someone that you are actually famaliar with. He's not a god, or really a good sc2 player comparatively, more often than not seemingly anymore all he does is cute cheeses. i want to see him crash hard. on the other hand if he plays brilliantly and straight up. tear yourself a path all the way to the finals! -End Rant
-MC, He's a beast. he understands his class perfectly with the flawless execution and decision making skills to back it up. but he's in every single major tourney. and nearly always placing top 3 or better. I'd like to see him knocked out early so other good players can breathe easier knowing he isnt gunning around the next corner.
Well MC isn't there so you get your wish i guess xD
-MC, He's a beast. he understands his class perfectly with the flawless execution and decision making skills to back it up. but he's in every single major tourney. and nearly always placing top 3 or better. I'd like to see him knocked out early so other good players can breathe easier knowing he isnt gunning around the next corner.
MC isn't going
hehe, i see, why isnt he going? does it have something to do with whatever him and Nada are doing with the SK gaming thing? or WCG or something?
-MC, He's a beast. he understands his class perfectly with the flawless execution and decision making skills to back it up. but he's in every single major tourney. and nearly always placing top 3 or better. I'd like to see him knocked out early so other good players can breathe easier knowing he isnt gunning around the next corner.
MC isn't going
hehe, i see, why isnt he going? does it have something to do with whatever him and Nada are doing with the SK gaming thing? or WCG or something?
Well, he just got eliminated from GSL and it happens the same couple days, so if he wasn't eliminated he wouldn't have been able to attend, and MLG has a cutoff date to sign up I assume.
So i havent read every single post in this thread (about 16 of the 25 pages) But i got to say that I'm really liking the intelligence of this thread. i expected this to be primarily a flamefest (to IdrA mostly) but its not. everyone is being smart and making choices with logical reasoning and people arent being trolls.
No, MC need to get back to hard-core practice mode to invade the world. He's been around the world to collect money for so long and get left behind in Korean scene.
I feel like this thread is going to hurt the feelings of so many good players, being placed under the "Hope to Fail" category, so Im gonna keep those out.
Hope to win:
IdrA His play never stops impressing me, and as soon as he gets ZvP figured out a bit more, I know he's gonna show some sick results.
On July 25 2011 03:55 cavalier117 wrote: -IdrA- because he's my favorite player
rant about Tyler
Tyler, i love the old player, hate this one, either stop being a has-been and step it up or get out of the scene already, you can only ride the "i could do well if i put forth the max effort" train so long. until you finally do even relatively good in something. you are getting treated like everyone else. a bad player
rant about Boxer
-Boxer, i love how all the posts in this thread(and everywhere else for that matter) are like, "OH EM GEE, it's the Emperor, everyone bow down and commence giving him Fellatio. he's so good and made gaming what it is." then you look at their profile page and see they joined TL late last year and overwhelming more than likely(there are probably a scant few exceptions) that they never knew who Boxer was when he really mattered(myself included*) compared to the rest of the population of this community, Brood War spectator Vets probably arent even in the double digits of spectator percentages. Get off the bandwagon and worship someone that you are actually famaliar with. He's not a god, or really a good sc2 player comparatively, more often than not seemingly anymore all he does is cute cheeses.i want to see him crash hard. on the other hand if he plays brilliantly and straight up. tear yourself a path all the way to the finals!
something mushmushy i <3<3<3 everyone something
On July 25 2011 04:07 cavalier117 wrote: So i havent read every single post in this thread (about 16 of the 25 pages) But i got to say that I'm really liking the intelligence of this thread. i expected this to be primarily a flamefest (to IdrA mostly) but its not. everyone is being smart and making choices with logical reasoning and people arent being trolls.
The Internet wins this day. let it be recorded.
So just because not a lot of people want to see IdrA fail this is a victory on intelligence for you?
Since I'm reading you trolling about Tyler and Boxer and EVERYONE in this thread seems to differ on you opinion about them.
IdrA: Big fan, and has shown amazing gameplays. DRG: Phenomenal Zerg player. Definitely will do well. Boxer: He is, the Emperor, so I wish that he can win with a trophy in his hands again.
Fail: Tyler - he doesn't practice or make serious attempts at playing Destiny - incredibly overrated. Also, I hate his fanboys more than any other group in the SC2 community. Incontrol - shouldn't still be in the groups; he was grandfathered in from easier MLGs
HuK - He's just been doing great recently, from his dual title win, to playing as the ace for oGs, his skill level has just skyrocketed. I can't wait to see his games vs. NaNiwa and DRG. Plus, GO CANADA!
KiWiKaKi - His results have been sort of lacklustre from the recent tournaments that I've seen (Columbus/IPL2), and he is still great. Also, I'd love to see Reign make a good showing in their first major tournament as a team. Plus, GO CANADA!
DongRaeGu - He's great, and of all the Koreans, he is my favourite to win. He quite deserves the Code S slot, I believe (Not saying that BoxeR and MMA don't, I just like DRG right now ). He is definitely quite a powerhouse! Plus, GO ZERG!
Failures:
IdrA - He's good, but I've really just never liked him. I've always been all for honour and respect, and IdrA is definitely not that.
Destiny - Likewise.
MajOr - See above .
There are others that I'd like to see do well, (BoxeR, SLush, iNcontrol, Choya, TL, etc.) but these are my tom 3.
HuK - He's just been doing great recently, from his dual title win, to playing as the ace for oGs, his skill level has just skyrocketed. I can't wait to see his games vs. NaNiwa and DRG. Plus, GO CANADA!
KiWiKaKi - His results have been sort of lacklustre from the recent tournaments that I've seen (Columbus/IPL2), and he is still great. Also, I'd love to see Reign make a good showing in their first major tournament as a team. Plus, GO CANADA!
DongRaeGu - He's great, and of all the Koreans, he is my favourite to win. He quite deserves the Code S slot, I believe (Not saying that BoxeR and MMA don't, I just like DRG right now ). He is definitely quite a powerhouse! Plus, GO ZERG!
Failures:
IdrA - He's good, but I've really just never liked him. I've always been all for honour and respect, and IdrA is definitely not that.
Destiny - Likewise.
MajOr - See above .
There are others that I'd like to see do well, (BoxeR, SLush, iNcontrol, Choya, TL, etc.) but these are my tom 3.
Honor and respect and you put Huk as you favorite? xD
DRG- Hes gosu Boxer- Dont want him getting discouraged MMA- So he can show people who are doubting him that just because you dont win everything, youre not overrated
Fail:
gonna get a lot of hate for this probably but...
Foreigners- I just like seeing them lose to koreans
HuK - He's just been doing great recently, from his dual title win, to playing as the ace for oGs, his skill level has just skyrocketed. I can't wait to see his games vs. NaNiwa and DRG. Plus, GO CANADA!
KiWiKaKi - His results have been sort of lacklustre from the recent tournaments that I've seen (Columbus/IPL2), and he is still great. Also, I'd love to see Reign make a good showing in their first major tournament as a team. Plus, GO CANADA!
DongRaeGu - He's great, and of all the Koreans, he is my favourite to win. He quite deserves the Code S slot, I believe (Not saying that BoxeR and MMA don't, I just like DRG right now ). He is definitely quite a powerhouse! Plus, GO ZERG!
Failures:
IdrA - He's good, but I've really just never liked him. I've always been all for honour and respect, and IdrA is definitely not that.
Destiny - Likewise.
MajOr - See above .
There are others that I'd like to see do well, (BoxeR, SLush, iNcontrol, Choya, TL, etc.) but these are my tom 3.
Honor and respect and you put Huk as you favorite? xD
His honor and respect are based on if the player gg's or not.
I can't really think of 3 either way. But ill share mine anyway.
To Succeed
DRG The guy has been giga clutch in GSTL. While some people in this thread say that hes "Overrated" Because he hasn't had the results in the individual tournaments. These people memories are quite selective given he just won LG 3D Cinema tournament. Personally i feel that DRG might have stamina problems hence the reason he hasn't made it through Code A qualifiers, given the format of MLG a big part of it is about stamina we'll see how he performs.
To Exit Early
Boxer Unfortunately this really doesn't have to do with Boxer at all. Its the hype that surrounds him, thats what drives me crazy. Boxer won a game in GSTL a couple weeks ago, where he proxied 2 Rax vs a 1 rax CC build. Though people were actually excited about this silly win, though it was completely irrelevant in terms of skill. Its those kinda of blind, supporters that turned me against him.
MMA I was very neutral on this guy for some time, but this guy literally wins every time i want him to loose. And Looses every time i want him to win. So now i'm just kinda annoyed with him.
People I want to win in order of standing/placement
1. Boxer for champ need to see him in code s 2. Huk cause he is Canadian 3. Dongraegu dude needs a code A spot to prove himself 4. MMA needs a reset to prove he can hack code A
To not succeed
1. Team EG 2. Protoss (because I can't beat them and it makes me sad)
Destiny: First stream I started watching back in August and it has been seemingly a storybook development since, he has really developed as a player and has soared to new heights. With his new popularity, people tend to sling shit at him for seemingly trivial reasons (like people citing that he is an attention whore and sucks @ the game etc) which really is bullshit. He seems to be that of a common man's story, unconventional, but sincere; also he is an underdog in the majority of people's view so that has the making to be a great story.
MVP: Extremely good Terran, seems to be in a slump recently which is a shame because of the success he has had in SC2, we all know he is a good player, just look at how he could play Brood War (yeah he wasn't a bonjwa, but he was pretty damn good at the end of his BW career, a time where BW is laid out to a science). He is also very fun to watch (one of the few Terrans I enjoy watching). I just love to see this guy succeed considering his background and all.
DRG: He is zerg and he is a beast, and that much many people are willing to deny. But I say it is time for him to prove himself and prove all the naysayers wrong. (also all the anti-koreans, i don't understand the ethnic fanboyism whether it be only wanting Koreans to do well or only wanting foreigners to do well; just a trivial concept imo). Also I would love to see him in Code S, as he is definitely good enough.
Boxer: I know this is 4, but this has to be mentioned, one of the most charismatic faces in all of gaming. Everyone wants this guy to do well.
Hope to fail
Major: I don't need to explain this one.
Huk: Never been a fan, never will be.
Haypro: Never understood the hype behind him and I don't think I ever will nor want to, because he just seems uninteresting as a player. Prove me wrong and I may think otherwise.
On July 25 2011 04:58 rewired wrote: People I want to win in order of standing/placement
1. Boxer for champ need to see him in code s 2. Huk cause he is Canadian 3. Dongraegu dude needs a code A spot to prove himself 4. MMA needs a reset to prove he can hack code A
To not succeed
1. Team EG 2. Protoss (because I can't beat them and it makes me sad)
-MC, He's a beast. he understands his class perfectly with the flawless execution and decision making skills to back it up. but he's in every single major tourney. and nearly always placing top 3 or better. I'd like to see him knocked out early so other good players can breathe easier knowing he isnt gunning around the next corner.
MC isn't going
hehe, i see, why isnt he going? does it have something to do with whatever him and Nada are doing with the SK gaming thing? or WCG or something?
Well, he just got eliminated from GSL and it happens the same couple days, so if he wasn't eliminated he wouldn't have been able to attend, and MLG has a cutoff date to sign up I assume.
He said he wanted to take a break from traveling to catch up on practice. He said he was missing too much practice time with all the jet lag and flying time. However, this was before the SK deal, so he will probably be out and about to everything after Anaheim. He'll probably be at Raleigh etc...
On July 24 2011 16:33 Windows 7 wrote: I think it's flat out messed up to actually hope for someone to fail. Pretty BM, mate. Especially for Spanishiwa -
DeMusliM - Fellow Brit, would be awesome to see him do well after his injuries.
MVP - Hasn't been doing particularly well recently by his own high standards, one of my favourite players so I hope he uses MLG as a springboard to re-establish his old dominance.
IdrA - I always like seeing IdrA do well, as long as he doesn't get knocked out by a foreigner I'll be happy.
To lose:
Choya - His play doesn't impress me at all, a lot of the stuff I've seen him do is cheesy or some all-in timing. To me he's a bad version of Inca without the sick PvP skills.
TLO - With his injuries he's unable to practice and/or play to his full potential. So I would rather see someone else advance over him.
DongRaeGu - Nothing against him personally as he's a fantastic player, although seeing as he'll be playing HuK and Naniwa I am forced to hope he loses!
oGsMC - He hasn't WON anything in a while and it makes me sad.
IdrA - Definitely able to compete with top koreans and that is what you need to be successful at an event like this.
LiquidHuK - First foreigner bonjwa? :D
To Lose:
CatZ - He's just not that good in my opinion.
IMMvp - People expect too much from a player that was just a terran that abused poor balance.
Destiny - He does the same build in both ZvT and ZvP. Fungle growth isn't that hard to land because it holds units in place so the next one is so easy to land. Super overrated player.
On July 25 2011 04:20 sitromit wrote: So much Korean hate in this thread. I hope they own some white dudes and shut everyone up! :p
I don't think there is any reason to take all this so called "Korean hate" and turn it into anything other then, lets say disliking a rival team in any other sport. most of the people that "hate" Korean players know about them since they follow the GSL so you cant really say they hate Korea. At the end of the day everyone just wants good games and even if its form Korean players in a international event such as MLG I think people will still have fun, e.g: NASL
oGsMC - He hasn't WON anything in a while and it makes me sad.
IdrA - Definitely able to compete with top koreans and that is what you need to be successful at an event like this.
LiquidHuK - First foreigner bonjwa? :D
To Lose:
CatZ - He's just not that good in my opinion.
IMMvp - People expect too much from a player that was just a terran that abused poor balance.
Destiny - He does the same build in both ZvT and ZvP. Fungle growth isn't that hard to land because it holds units in place so the next one is so easy to land. Super overrated player.
Well for one MC isn't even attending and second he recently won the stars war invitational which had all the top koreans foreigners and chinese players. Third you used the word bonjwa so all in all your post is just awful.
oGsMC - He hasn't WON anything in a while and it makes me sad.
IdrA - Definitely able to compete with top koreans and that is what you need to be successful at an event like this.
LiquidHuK - First foreigner bonjwa? :D
To Lose:
CatZ - He's just not that good in my opinion.
IMMvp - People expect too much from a player that was just a terran that abused poor balance.
Destiny - He does the same build in both ZvT and ZvP. Fungle growth isn't that hard to land because it holds units in place so the next one is so easy to land. Super overrated player.
theres just so much wrong with this post
-MC isnt even going -HuK won 2 tournaments in a row and one was homestory (not that prestigious IMO) and people are starting to call him bonjwa? (ive seen it more than once) -IMMvP abused poor balance, im a whiney zerg and idek what to say here.
DRG - Gosu that I think deserves to shine Naniwa - I want him to prove hes the best foreigner and can compete in Korea. I want him to succeed. Anyone from Team FXO - Just because of FXOBoss> his team deserves a big win after the amount of effort and money they invest into flying their people around the globe and taking a risk in Korea to become a better team. Respect.
People I want to see do well: 1) Tyler; Coming through the open bracket, I hope Tyler does extremely well - I know he doesn't need a confidence boost, but he needs something to reignite his love of the game.
2) EG; I dislike their handling of recent situations; however, InControl, Idra, and Machine have been three of my favorite players since beta.
3) Destiny; I like players who work hard and improve, and Destiny's improvement has been substantial lately. His win over Bomber was a big deal in my book and I'd like to see him really pick it up after a disappointing exit in the IPL(even though the games were a month ago or so).
4) Haypro; the guy is so good, his skill shines everywhere except at LAN events, I'd like to see him really break over this wall and get noticed. I'd like to see more confidence and for Haypro to project himself out better.
People I want to see fail: 1) Naniwa; something about his demeanor just irks me, I really like his playstyle and I think he's a phenomenal player, so this isn't really a logical thing - I just want him to lose.
2) Reign(VT); A very talented team that just seems shady to me, and more from the players than the leadership(EG seems more shady in the leadership, and has legitimate, honest players).
3) All of the Koreans except Boxer, and I want those two players out of the top 3. I want to see the 'foreigners' show up and show us that they can compete, not necessarily on a talent level, because every 'foreigner' is just as talented as the Koreans, but I want to see every non Korean show up hungry. I want to see every non Korean working their asses off to beat the Koreans here. I want to see the work ethics of every non Korean be visible, it's one of the main reasons I have EG in my top 3. They're boot camping and training hard right now, that shows an extreme work ethic. In fact, in my list of players I hope perform well, the only one who's work ethic is questionable is Tyler; and I just really like Tyler so I want to see him do well.
MVP : I want him to dominate again, so we can have a consistant terran and because it's sad to see him lose again and again knowing his potential. And I want him to dominate DongRaeGu in a bo5 or bo7 to show that you can win TvZ against DRG likes.
DongRaeGu : I wanna see him in code S to see if he can live up to the expectations and to see him play more than bo1.
BoxeR : It's BoxeR, what else?
Non-koreans :
Huk : there are really few protoss that makes me want to play protoss when I see them play in first person view... and he is one of them
ThorZain : he is the only european terran that I think can beat any koreans coming to this MLG. His TSL & MLG runs were very impressive and the only european terran to give me hope in TvZ.
ToD : coming from the open bracket I hope that he'll do well :D.
To lose :
I don't know, no one in particular. Those who deserve to lose I guess.
DongRaeGu, been a fan ever since his first few matches in GSTL, the Code A qualifiers are brutal and he so deserves a spot in Code S, he's better than half the players in it.
Destiny, he's pretty active on a music site i frequent, and hes a really cool guy from all the posts ive seen AND he's really good. Ive seen so many people say he's not that good, but he beat Ace & Bomber and put up a good fight against, he's definitely at the level of the top players, he just needs to vary his style now and then.
Idra/MVP, Idra just because he gets so much hate, even though he's a really good player. He's been able to beat MMA who again, won the last MLG and went so far in the GSTL and GSL. MVP just because i'd rather see him do well and win than another foreigner since i'd rather see great games instead of just going strong and meh.
Runner up, Sheth, he's such a nice guy and a good player. He performed fine, not outstanding but good enough in the GSTL match he was in and i hope he does well.
To fail
Huk, he has an annoying personality, to me is overrated as a player although he has talent, and i've never particularly liked him. He was always boring to me.
ColCruncher, I hate him and he's not a great player.
Foreigners in general, except for the ones i hope to win.
QXC - slumping in foreign tournaments, but with the recent GSTL... Any Complexity player - currently favored team Jinro - I miss easter island cheerfuls and jinrolling
To FAIL:
Destiny - Sanctimonious asshole. MMA - Good guy, stand-up guy. Everyone should like him. Heck, I'd be happy if he got top 4. But I really don't want him to win again. Um... can't really think of a third. Not enough hater in me .
ThorZain : he is the only european terran that I think can beat any koreans coming to this MLG. His TSL & MLG runs were very impressive and the only european terran to give me hope in TvZ.
Thorzain isn't coming, however he is going to be watching!
Win: SeleCT - Huge mancrush on his play. all around solid player that needs a big win imho. IMMVP - My other all time favorite player, when he completely outclassed MKP in the GSL finals I became a fanboy for life. EGIdrA - Very solid player and I love his interviews. I hope he's been practicing more because people are starting to doubt him.
I wanted to say people like Destiny, Fenix (LA Represent!), White-Ra and others but I suffer from eternal fanboy-ism to the above 3.
Edit: I'm STUPID. I forgot jinro was comming. His massive slump saddens me. I want to see him own up at MLG. Jinro fighting!
ThorZain : he is the only european terran that I think can beat any koreans coming to this MLG. His TSL & MLG runs were very impressive and the only european terran to give me hope in TvZ.
Thorzain isn't coming, however he is going to be watching!
Why ? I heard that he won't coming if he wasn't seeded in pool play but he is, isn't he? T_T. I must've not read carefully enough. I forgot Jinro, I want him to win again a bit like Mvp.
DongRaeGu, been a fan ever since his first few matches in GSTL, the Code A qualifiers are brutal and he so deserves a spot in Code S, he's better than half the players in it.
Destiny, he's pretty active on a music site i frequent, and hes a really cool guy from all the posts ive seen AND he's really good. Ive seen so many people say he's not that good, but he beat Ace & Bomber and put up a good fight against, he's definitely at the level of the top players, he just needs to vary his style now and then.
Idra/MVP, Idra just because he gets so much hate, even though he's a really good player. He's been able to beat MMA who again, won the last MLG and went so far in the GSTL and GSL. MVP just because i'd rather see him do well and win than another foreigner since i'd rather see great games instead of just going strong and meh.
Runner up, Sheth, he's such a nice guy and a good player. He performed fine, not outstanding but good enough in the GSTL match he was in and i hope he does well.
To fail
Huk, he has an annoying personality, to me is overrated as a player although he has talent, and i've never particularly liked him. He was always boring to me.
ColCruncher, I hate him and he's not a great player.
Foreigners in general, except for the ones i hope to win.
Destiny beat Bomber and Ace an online tourneys that they have to probably play at ridiculous hours. Ddoro Goody and Lovecd also beat Nestea in online tourneys...Destiny should beat a good player at a LAN before you call him at the level of a "top" player.
I don't mind anyone else winning, though Boxer winning would be the best. However theres plenty of people I love to see fail for the sake of community respnse and drama, but mainly, Idra
To win Huk- He is still playing amazing and his showing at the GSTL was great he definitely conquered his nerves and now he will only improve. Slayers Alicia- He is one of the top 3 protoss players imo and I think he will be able to make it out of open rather easily and have a great chance at winning the whole thing. Destiny- I enjoy watching destiny play simply because he has an interesting play style and he's not just the average player and in the past months he has improved quite a bit so I can see making it pretty far in the tourney.
To lose Well I don't really have anyone to root against just the opponents of my favorite players
On July 24 2011 17:15 Mayor wrote: Hopes to succeed
1. Liquid`Tyler - To be honest, I feel he's a really smart player that just doesn't practice enough to actually succeed and get some big tournament wins under his belt, I really really hope thaet before Anaheim, he decided to steup up his game and actually practice and take it all much more seriously.
2. Boxer - Just because he's awesome and hasn't been shining lately.
3. Sheth - He's a really amazing player that I feel people look at and say 'oh hey, it's Sheth, he's really good' then move on. I think he deserves a big tournament win like MLG, he's put a lot of work into the game and a lot of thought, and I think he certainly has the ability to win MLG.
Hopes to fail -
Man, I don't dislike anyone. :[ (except for maybe Desrow)
1. Desrow - he's an asshole.
2. CatZ - I feel he doesn't put enough time into the game to really succeed, I see him stream HoN often and playing Starstrikers a lot of the time, and he hasn't been able to make a big splash. I feel like he has potential, but I feel he doesn't play enough to really get better and compete with the 'big boys'
3. Cruncher - I just don't like him, his playstyle and I don't think I ever will. o.o
Wait a second... You want Tyler to succeed because he doesn't play enough and you want Catz to fail because he doesn't play enough?
I do not comprehend.
I was pretty much saying I want him to practice more, and if he does practice more, he'll wipe the floor with his competition's blood because he's a smart player.
I also don't think CatZ is a very smart player, regardless of how 'creative' people deem him.
Terrans. I'm biased like that. Also there's too many Terrans I like participating (BoxeR, MMA, TLO, qxc, SjoW, DeMusliM, Pokebunny...).
Jinro. He's been slumping, I think he's also giving himself a hard time because of it. He's crazy good and all of you know it.
IdrA. The man's pure entertainment even if he loses, so I'm always enjoying his tournament matches.
To Lose:
Sheth. I don't understand why people like him so much, I know he's a good Zerg but other than that he's the polar opposite of IdrA in any way imaginable. Maybe that's why? idk, just that he's absolutely not my slice of bread.
Major/Kitty. You have a reputation and you trample it because of a small SEA only tourney? C'mon. Grow up.
megumixbear. Not because I dislike women or women playing video games competetively, simply because I dislike megumixbear.
To win: Boxer- I would love to see a comeback from the Emperor <3 Alicia- Awesome protoss John Lennon Terran- Prove his performance vs. IM wasn't a fluke
To lose: sixjaxPrincess- Asshole sixjaxMajor- Douche sixjaxMemory- All around dick
DongRaeGu, been a fan ever since his first few matches in GSTL, the Code A qualifiers are brutal and he so deserves a spot in Code S, he's better than half the players in it.
Destiny, he's pretty active on a music site i frequent, and hes a really cool guy from all the posts ive seen AND he's really good. Ive seen so many people say he's not that good, but he beat Ace & Bomber and put up a good fight against, he's definitely at the level of the top players, he just needs to vary his style now and then.
Idra/MVP, Idra just because he gets so much hate, even though he's a really good player. He's been able to beat MMA who again, won the last MLG and went so far in the GSTL and GSL. MVP just because i'd rather see him do well and win than another foreigner since i'd rather see great games instead of just going strong and meh.
Runner up, Sheth, he's such a nice guy and a good player. He performed fine, not outstanding but good enough in the GSTL match he was in and i hope he does well.
To fail
Huk, he has an annoying personality, to me is overrated as a player although he has talent, and i've never particularly liked him. He was always boring to me.
ColCruncher, I hate him and he's not a great player.
Foreigners in general, except for the ones i hope to win.
On July 25 2011 06:12 StaplerPhone wrote: To win: Boxer- I would love to see a comeback from the Emperor <3 Alicia- Awesome protoss John Lennon Terran- Prove his performance vs. IM wasn't a fluke
To lose: sixjaxPrincess- Asshole sixjaxMajor- Douche sixjaxMemory- All around dick
1. seleCT- my hero since the time i started sc2. Really the only reason i have advanced to diamond league. 2. MMA- Ideally he is the new boxer, i would say boxer but he really has put his faith into his protege MMA which i feel is the smart choice. 3. Naniwa- Been in a slump recently since his win at MLG and he is one of the protoss' i actually like to watch play.
To Lose 1. Drewbie- Ever since he went to Complexity gaming i have had an indescribable hate for him 2.
QXC---cool guy and has gotten beaten up a lot and only against IM has he looked really solid. Then again I still wouldnt take him against MVP in a bo7 ever so I want him to prove he can be consistent
Boxer---great guy and player, deserves better in regards to how hard he tries. His history goes without saying.
DRG---seems like a cool person and really struggled in code B even though I could see him winning code S. Should do well.
to lose: Seems petty to hope another person fails, so wont do it.
-SeleCT- bc how can you not like him? he's quiet, but in that humble kind of way, but he's still a boss
-DRG- bc Korean Zergs are exciting to watch
to lose
-Tyler, i love the old player, hate this one, either stop being a has-been and step it up or get out of the scene already, you can only ride the "i could do well if i put forth the max effort" train so long. until you finally do even relatively good in something. you are getting treated like everyone else. a bad player
-Boxer, i love how all the posts in this thread(and everywhere else for that matter) are like, "OH EM GEE, it's the Emperor, everyone bow down and commence giving him Fellatio. he's so good and made gaming what it is." then you look at their profile page and see they joined TL late last year and overwhelming more than likely(there are probably a scant few exceptions) that they never knew who Boxer was when he really mattered(myself included*) compared to the rest of the population of this community, Brood War spectator Vets probably arent even in the double digits of spectator percentages. Get off the bandwagon and worship someone that you are actually famaliar with. He's not a god, or really a good sc2 player comparatively, more often than not seemingly anymore all he does is cute cheeses.i want to see him crash hard. on the other hand if he plays brilliantly and straight up. tear yourself a path all the way to the finals!
-End Rant
-MC, He's a beast. he understands his class perfectly with the flawless execution and decision making skills to back it up. but he's in every single major tourney. and nearly always placing top 3 or better. I'd like to see him knocked out early so other good players can breathe easier knowing he isnt gunning around the next corner.
*disclaimer, i found TL and started following pro SC about 2 days before the TSL2(it was my first tourney to watch) so i dont know everything in BW, i didnt make an actual TL account until like nearly 2 years later.
...So ironic that you claim that everyone who loves boxer is just a bandwagon fan and doesn't actually know him, when you yourself admit to not even knowing his history.
I myself will admit to not being around here when he was playing, but even I had heard of him prior to joining TL - even then, anyone competent can follow the scene and know how Boxer's interacted with the SC2 community: people like him because he's devoted to e-sports. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240316This[/url], for example.
It's also funny because you accuse people of being bandwagon fans, when you yourself note that he's not famous for his SC2 accomplishments/domination - if anything, that's the direct opposite of fair-weather bandwagon fans who jump on only when their favorite does well.
qxc- I run this guy's fanclub (I'm posting from my phone, will update soon <3) Coming hot off an IM all-kill, this guy will be a force to be reckoned with. An awesome playstyle, personality, and bandana. IdrA- I love this guy, great play and he's funny as hell. Looking forward to a good showing. Naniwa- Nani has made the most awesome 180 in history. Going from a guy that was very disliked to a very lovable guy. Couple that with scary as hell play and the drive to do really well, and youve got a fan in me. Jinro- I've always been a huge Jinro fan and his time is coming. WhiteRa- I hardly need to explain why I love WhiteRa. )) Tyler- I love this guy's style and personality. Sheth- Lapzerg <3. He's taken a lot of flak I don't think he deserves lately. HayprO- I'm the opposite of most posters here I'm that I don't understand why he gets all the crap. He's had poor showings at tournaments, but there's a lot of games he's just a beast in. He's also got a really good dry humor. Socke- "Socke is so laid back he plays horizontally." I really love his play.
On July 25 2011 04:58 TheRPGAddict wrote: To win/do well
MVP: Extremely good Terran, seems to be in a slump recently which is a shame because of the success he has had in SC2, we all know he is a good player, just look at how he could play Brood War (yeah he wasn't a bonjwa, but he was pretty damn good at the end of his BW career, a time where BW is laid out to a science). He is also very fun to watch (one of the few Terrans I enjoy watching). I just love to see this guy succeed considering his background and all.
Sorry dude, nut wrong information here.He was pretty awful at BW by the end and in his whole BW career, he had like, 1 month of brilliant play, the rest of his career was borderline a-teamer.
Destiny - Stevens improved by vast amounts and anyone who denies that is simply wrong. Even Huk is saying Steven is really good now, their matches have been very intense...not to mention him impressive victories over Ace and Bomber.
Sheth - So manner. A big happy manner bear. Hes so nice and happy, its hard not to root for him, doesn't hurt that hes one of the best zergs on NA.
TLO/DRG - I can't choose. TLO is such a good person but DNG has such a great style, I want to see it showcased. I can't pick, so they're tied for 3rd.
To lose:
IdrA: I feel Greg has a completely toxic personality. I dislike most anything he does. While I take nothing away from him (he has one of the greatest english speaking minds for SCII) I don't like him as a person (from what I've seen) and can't see how people root for him.
Tyler - He just doesn't seem to want to play anymore. Listening to him on SotG, all he seems to do is defend 4gate, and despite his talk hes been unable to pull a result in quite some time.
Maj0r - Another toxic personality. The SEA smurfing thing as well as his past makes him someone I certainly don't want to see in the spotlight.
Why would you want someone to fail? Really? That is just plain bad manner and straight up disrespectful.
I do not understand why people hate vile.Spanishiwa... Every StarCraft 2 progamer has a fan base so, I understand how one could tire hearing their fans scream about how good the player is, but you support the player, not the fans. That seems to be rigid style now, just to dislike things due to their popularity. If something is overrated, then it will fail on its own accord when the time comes.
To succeed: LoSirA - I love watching his aggressive play style, but he is NOT going this time. : / MMA - He won the last MLG making quite a few fans. His aggression and speed reminds of the clips of Boxer I watched years ago. Boxer - The legend. Yes, he should reclaim the title during StarCraft 2. IdrA - Greg said he took a few steps back from the game and he is doing better now. I am looking forward to seeing IdrA come back in a big way. Good luck IdrA! Select - I would like to see him do well because he is a good player and just had a rough event during the last MLG.
To fail: The bad mannered people wishing ill or failure on others.
On July 25 2011 04:58 TheRPGAddict wrote: To win/do well
MVP: Extremely good Terran, seems to be in a slump recently which is a shame because of the success he has had in SC2, we all know he is a good player, just look at how he could play Brood War (yeah he wasn't a bonjwa, but he was pretty damn good at the end of his BW career, a time where BW is laid out to a science). He is also very fun to watch (one of the few Terrans I enjoy watching). I just love to see this guy succeed considering his background and all.
Sorry dude, nut wrong information here.He was pretty awful at BW by the end and in his whole BW career, he had like, 1 month of brilliant play, the rest of his career was borderline a-teamer.
I wasn't saying he was a Bonjwa, just the fact he was good at Brood War. You don't have to be Jaedong/Flash/Bisu to be considered "good" at Brood War. 2010 Hana Daetoo MSL AND the end is synonymous bro.
Socke, this guy deserves a huge win, hes such an underrated player its depressing how much people discredit him. Almost every tournament hes ever played in he has placed top 8 and gets knocked out by amazing players.
Choya, just so he can troll Artosis and get an instant seed into Code S.
To Lose:
Liquid Tyler, despite him being my favorite player of all time something needs to trigger this guy to realize he has to practice, hopefully yet another bad placing can finally motivate this guy to claim his rightful throne of the best Protoss in the world.
On July 25 2011 06:55 Astro-Penguin wrote: To Win:
Socke, this guy deserves a huge win, hes such an underrated player its depressing how much people discredit him. Almost every tournament hes ever played in he has placed top 8 and gets knocked out by amazing players.
Choya, just so he can troll Artosis and get an instant seed into Code S.
To Lose:
Liquid Tyler, despite him being my favorite player of all time something needs to trigger this guy to realize he has to practice, hopefully yet another bad placing can finally motivate this guy to reclaim his rightful throne of the best Protoss in the world.
To reclaim it you have to have possessed it at one point...
On July 25 2011 06:55 Astro-Penguin wrote: To Win:
Socke, this guy deserves a huge win, hes such an underrated player its depressing how much people discredit him. Almost every tournament hes ever played in he has placed top 8 and gets knocked out by amazing players.
Choya, just so he can troll Artosis and get an instant seed into Code S.
To Lose:
Liquid Tyler, despite him being my favorite player of all time something needs to trigger this guy to realize he has to practice, hopefully yet another bad placing can finally motivate this guy to reclaim his rightful throne of the best Protoss in the world.
To reclaim it you have to have possessed it at one point...
Huk- My fanboyism aside, I think it would be a cool story for a player to take a "triple crown" of foreigner tournaments in a row. He is also probably one of the hardest working non Korean players, and it is nice to see hard work pay off.
qxc- It was so sad to see him go by the wayside in the last 6th months after showing so much potential. Hopefully he proves himself again, especially with his spirits lifted following his recent GSTL performance.
KawaiiRice- This guy gets no credit. He trains very hard is constantly on the fringe of success in major tournaments, but loses often to his rather awful TvP. His TvT and TvZ are extremely strong though, and he recently posted a win over ZeNexCoca in the recent TL:Open in convincing fashion, with an innovative double fast expand build. If he can patch up his TvP he is a solid contender in international play, as his mechanics and micro are extremely good.
To Lose:
Destiny- I agree that destiny has improved greatly, and as a player he is entertaining and innovative in his infestor play, but if he performs strongly at this MLG the din of his fanboy trolls, who have a proclivity for spamming stream chats, will be incessant.
Win: 1.HuK. Favorite player 2.TLO/Tyler. Probably long shots to win it but I like both of their personalities 3.Any Korean trained player. Them winning proves that SC2 still takes a lot of practice hours to get get good, which some feared would be lost from BW.
Lose: 1.IdrA. A little bit biased because I'm a HuK fan but I don't like his personality and his fanboys. I honestly usually laugh when he loses 2.Destiny. I don't really like him as a person and feel that he should suck it up and join a team to get some real practice. 3.Anyone not in it 100%. Pretty much anyone who doesn't want to put in the hours of real practice to be the best. (I know Tyler fits into this but I like him so w/e)
Hope to do well: Slush cause hes been doing good at all the events but this time I want him to win it. Catz cause hes a top zerg in NA and he doesn't have a top16 spot although hes better than some of the players that are in there. Lzgamer cause he just changed race and I want to see how well the zerg race will suit him in sc2.
Hopes to fail: Any Koreans, I want foreigners to win this. Also any deathball protoss that A-moves and win....I hate that.
On July 24 2011 16:43 Soluhwin wrote: I'd have to agree with the point you made about spanishiwa, but really, you get that kind of praise from anyone who hasn't seen the full picture, and it is depressing how many people only stick to one caster and don't think to stray from youtube.
I'll also have to disagree for the same reasons on destiny. If he tells one of his student's a build is unbeatable, the community calls it the "destiny 4gate". If destiny uses an overpool in a match, people make a thread titled "destiny's 11pool 18hatch". And it is disgusting how he manages to make only infestors and succede, even as a zerg player. It feels like I, as well as many a player better than me, take steps to break down a match-up, hard work to descipher what is best and what isn't, and destiny just steps in and says "INFESTORS!" it feels like he is the new cruncher, making the race look easy and begging for a nerf. I really hope infested terrans get removed soon so you can't take down a freeking planatary with a support caster.
My 3 to succede: Pheonix, watching this guy stream is so entertaining, and he makes zerg look strait imba with his fast 3 hatch style. IdrA: say what you will about his attitude but he deserves another win in my book. Bandanaman: you've probably heard of why.
3 to fail: The koreans: I want team USA to take this one hot off of + Show Spoiler +
qxc's all kill
Spanishiwa: same reasons as OP Destiny: surprise surprise
Destiny isn't even bad, he uses infestors because they are good there are ppenty of things that can counter infested terrans, like a bunker in front of you base and a missle turret or the range upgrade. He is so good simply for his unit control ( comes into a protoss deathball , that has collo, stalker, sentry, ht, voids, zealots. He has 20 infestors and 120 lings, comes out with 12 infestors 20 lings and a dead protoss, with broodlords/ ultras or a huge reinforcement of lings. So don't talk shit that sad about someone who is clearly favouring they're own style ( something most people don't do) and winning with it
As for ky top 3 1: destiny 2:IdrA 3:spanishiwa
Top 3 to not win : all the korean players ( the three who will most likely win)
1) DRG-- excellent player, deserves to win 2) HuK-- Canadian. 3) MMA- he's had some bad results lately. would like to see him do well 4) koreans in general so that foreigners with huge egos (e.g. destiny, idra) will stfu and realize how far from the top they are to fail:
1) idra- terrible attitude, absolutely clueless about balance. he's one of the top foreigners, but he just can't deliver lately and his whining just makes me hate him even more 2) destiny- he's okay, but nothing special. pretty much the definition of why infestors need to be revamped. but i don't mind that so much as the fact that he's one of the most annoying people to listen to talk on his stream + his fanboys are extremely bad and irritating. 3) incontrol- awful, overrated, and sucked totally at casting NASL. this guy needs to stop playing sc2. 4) Haypro- even worse than incontrol 5) Drewbie- garbage
DRG. Hearing a crowd of people chant the name of a foreigner (to us!) at the NASL finals damn near blew my mind. I'd like to see DRG take it just to see another foreigner take a major tournament and be celebrated by thousands of screaming fans from several countries he probably hasn't visited before.
Liquid Tyler. Dude's smart. Real smart. I'd love to see him knuckle down and kick ass.
Fail:
Destiny, because when Destiny fails, it usually means everyone else gets a good laugh. Hopefully on the mainstage.
Rooting for: Machine - I just want to see him do well in a tourney Tyler - cause he's a boss, and also is due for some winning Vibe - he always seems to do well, but never terrific. He needs to have a breakthrough.
Not really rooting against any one in particular. I guess I would like to see foreigners defeat koreans just so the stereotypes can be broken.
I only really follow Terrans, so keep in mind my list is kinda biased.
Hope to win: 1. Select. After Painuser retired he's become my favorite streamer. His MLG Colombus results was really disappointing. But he passed on Dreamhack to focus on MLG so I hope we see a new Select in Anaheim.
2. QXC. I've been a fanboy of him since the beta, and it would be awesome to see his Korean training pay dividends. He's probably my favorite player to watch now, ever since LZgamer betrayed to Zerg =(
3. Boxer. Basically because I still want to see him in GSL, and I worry that Code A qualifiers will hold him back. I would like for a Westerner to win the tournament, but I hope he places high enough to get a Code A/S slot.
Hope to fail:
1. MMA. Nothing against him personally, but I don't want Koreans to dominate. And among the Korean Terrans I much prefer Boxer, MVP, and Bomber.
2. Terran. I really like his play but I hate his attitude. I think he needs to be crushed in order to learn some humility and gain some maturity.
3. Drewbie. I think he has a lot of potential to be a good player, but I feel that he doesn't take the game seriously enough. I think he needs to lose as a wakeup call in order to reach his full potential. He's pretty good but right now he's up there with Haypro on my list of people who don't deserve to be seeded in the championship bracket.
Spanishiwa - he is 17-years old, seventeen, one seven, years old. A extremely innovative and very talented zerg-player. And people want him to fail? In his first big LAN? Faugh! Shame on you. Seriously.
Naniwa and MMA for being great and established players.
Well, most of the professional gamers sacrifice so much to the game, but there are some that sacrifice more than the others and I hope those will succeed. That includes:
1. all the Koreans 3. the guys from the Swedish team house 2. the guys in the Fnatic team house
Those would be the three groups I wish to succeed the most.
edit: Honestly, there were many other people I would like to see win (like iNcontroL, DongRaeGu, and MC) and for the lose list, Cruncher was a random name I added on so I could get 3 names. It's really only HuK and Destiny that should be on that list.
EG--Theyv got so much flame that I feel is largely unjustified. Would love them to just stomp on this event and give people something better to talk about
IM MVP-- Always have been a fan, maybe its his inabilty to dominate that draws my fanship
dignitas -- Up there as one of my favourite eSport teams and will definately be cheering for merz and naniwa
Hopes to Fail:
DRG -- I dont want the hype to be true. If it is, God help us all
Koreans playing Foreigners -- It makes a great story so sue me
BoxeR - He's the Michael Jordan of eSports, I think Boxer deserves at least to be in the semi finals (or beyond), so he can hear his fans from the states cheer him on, win or lose. I hope he does well and gets invited back for more MLGs.
Destiny - Not only do I enjoy his stream, but I think he's a great player. I'm glad to see him going to MLG again and hope he does well this time, if not, I'll still continue to cheer him on and watch him progress on his stream.
White-Ra - Special Tactics will prevail.
Fail:
Idra - I can't stand his attitude anymore.
Incontrol - Umm... I just don't like him I guess? lol
Korean Players - Apart from Boxer, I'd like to see players from other than Korean win, nothing against them at all.
I don't like the hope to fail category and it doesn't wonder Destiny is in either on of these 2 categories ^^.
Hope to win: 1. Naniwa - love his playstyle and besides him and HuK I don't see another foreigner competing for the title 2. Jinro - slumping so hard lately, he needs a confident-boost 3. Rain + Oz + Choya - Would be great to see the Korean-foreigner partnerships succeeding.
MVP- he's probably the most solid terran in the world, but after the last gstl I was not very happy with his decision making at all. I'd really like to see him do well because for me watching his matches I usually learn a few things out of them or I'll find a build or two I really like from him.
Idra- Extremely solid player, definately one of the top top zergs in the world. His main weakness is his mindset and if he could stick in the games I really feel like he could push through a whole lot more.
Boxer- Emperor fighting!!!!
There are too many people I think won't do well :D
On July 25 2011 07:11 Shiori wrote: 1) DRG-- excellent player, deserves to win 2) HuK-- Canadian. 3) MMA- he's had some bad results lately. would like to see him do well 4) koreans in general so that foreigners with huge egos (e.g. destiny, idra) will stfu and realize how far from the top they are to fail:
1) idra- terrible attitude, absolutely clueless about balance. he's one of the top foreigners, but he just can't deliver lately and his whining just makes me hate him even more 2) destiny- he's okay, but nothing special. pretty much the definition of why infestors need to be revamped. but i don't mind that so much as the fact that he's one of the most annoying people to listen to talk on his stream + his fanboys are extremely bad and irritating. 3) incontrol- awful, overrated, and sucked totally at casting NASL. this guy needs to stop playing sc2. 4) Haypro- even worse than incontrol 5) Drewbie- garbage
You like Huk because he's canadian but hate foreigners lol.
-SeleCT- bc how can you not like him? he's quiet, but in that humble kind of way, but he's still a boss
-DRG- bc Korean Zergs are exciting to watch
to lose
-Tyler, i love the old player, hate this one, either stop being a has-been and step it up or get out of the scene already, you can only ride the "i could do well if i put forth the max effort" train so long. until you finally do even relatively good in something. you are getting treated like everyone else. a bad player
-Boxer, i love how all the posts in this thread(and everywhere else for that matter) are like, "OH EM GEE, it's the Emperor, everyone bow down and commence giving him Fellatio. he's so good and made gaming what it is." then you look at their profile page and see they joined TL late last year and overwhelming more than likely(there are probably a scant few exceptions) that they never knew who Boxer was when he really mattered(myself included*) compared to the rest of the population of this community, Brood War spectator Vets probably arent even in the double digits of spectator percentages. Get off the bandwagon and worship someone that you are actually famaliar with. He's not a god, or really a good sc2 player comparatively, more often than not seemingly anymore all he does is cute cheeses.i want to see him crash hard. on the other hand if he plays brilliantly and straight up. tear yourself a path all the way to the finals!
-End Rant
-MC, He's a beast. he understands his class perfectly with the flawless execution and decision making skills to back it up. but he's in every single major tourney. and nearly always placing top 3 or better. I'd like to see him knocked out early so other good players can breathe easier knowing he isnt gunning around the next corner.
*disclaimer, i found TL and started following pro SC about 2 days before the TSL2(it was my first tourney to watch) so i dont know everything in BW, i didnt make an actual TL account until like nearly 2 years later.
...So ironic that you claim that everyone who loves boxer is just a bandwagon fan and doesn't actually know him, when you yourself admit to not even knowing his history.
I myself will admit to not being around here when he was playing, but even I had heard of him prior to joining TL - even then, anyone competent can follow the scene and know how Boxer's interacted with the SC2 community: people like him because he's devoted to e-sports. , for example.
there was nothing ironic about it....i would reccomend, rereading my post. my self explanation was included to show that im not some hypocrit who has claimed to follow the scene for the last decade when i havent. as for his accomplishments. i know exactly what they are. i know exactly what his history was(probably better than you).
as for you claiming you knew of him. im calling bullshit. if your a westerner, and you didnt know what TL was. the odds you knew anything of what people were doing in korea, would have been so remarkably low. Other than TL, there was like 2 or 3 other american starcraft sites, all of them so small, a google search wouldnt even bring them up.(mad props if anyone reading this could even list 1 or more of them off.) when streaming didnt happen. noone did english commentary. and even getting replays was diffucult( the height of his career being 2001-2004, youtube wasnt even popular back then, let alone replays on it) so grow up. so yea, if you "knew", you would be like in the top 1% of westerners.
as for your reply link... thats the best you got? a tiny forum post from like two weeks ago? there is noone questioning his advancement of esports, you could have listed how he formed the Korean team ACE, or how then made SlayerS or like 30 other things, nope you gave a 25 word post that said "wow, we didnt even know western fans really existed, but thanks!"
TL;DR i know exactly what Boxer has done. He's like Tiger Woods to BOxer and golf was BW for westerners, nobody followed it, but people just know hes(was) really good, so they jump all over it. i just pointed it out.
I had a hard time deciding on a few, but here we go.
Succeed
Naniwa - I honestly didn't know much about him before seeing him destroy the competition in his first MLG championship. After that I have been following him and a huge fan. Being a terran player I enver thought I would be rooting for a protoss like I was in the TSL3 finals but I really want to see him continue to dominate.
Boxer - I want to see him back at the top and I think winning a major foreign tournament would be just the thing to spice things back up.
MMA - He was my favorite to win(well, tied with Naniwa) for the last MLG and I hope to see him dominate again. I'm glad we have some of the top koreans coming to MLG to showcase their talent for any of the foreign crowd that might be ignorant of Korea's SC talent.
Fail
vileHasHe - Came from the same community as him(sc1) and I really can't stand the guy. Also recall many replays of him raging and trash talking people after he would lose horribly. Would like to see him lose as early as possible for maximum satisfaction.
Major - Reminds me of the horrible tool trolls I used to encounter everyday in sc1. The way he acts makes me want to vomit.
Cruncher - Nothing to really say here. Just hate him. Hate his fanboys as well.
Other
Stalife - Came from same community as Hashe so I knew him decently. Unlike Hashe I hope he does well.
Jinro - Haven't been following him since he made quarterfinals of GSL(or following gsl much at all), but I would like to see him do good. He is not my favorite to win though.
Tyler - I usually don't root for Tyler because I don't particularly like his play. Not sure why I dislike him but would like to see him change my opinion in this tournament.
Hope to win: 1) BoxeR - Could you imagine the collective nerdgasm that would occur if he went on an epic run and took down the title? The internet might melt under its pressure.
As a side note... I love that BoxeR still has the unwavering and overwhelming support of the community, even when he is slumping. He is the kind of hero who really deserves that kind of support, and it makes me happy that he has it, as evidenced by this thread.
2) Bandanaman John Lennon Toto Destroyer - He worked his ass off, and his recent achievement was one of the great moments in SC2 for me.
3) thisisjimmy - Not a top top tier player or a threat to win it all, but I am rooting for him to make a run in the open bracket to a top 20 finish. Big fan of his stream and especially his live commentaries. His play style is very relatable, and I learn alot from it.
People who I still want good things for but maybe not to place quite as high as others: 1) Tyler - Nobody benefits more from a double standard then Tyler. His lack of dedication and general apathy to his SC2 career is forgiven, and with others it is lambasted. Really cool guy and I want good things for him in the scene, but I just don't get the amount of support. 2) DRG - Nothing against the guy, but I just consider him a major threat, and I would rather see that #1 spot go to players I like a bit more like Boxer, MMA, Huk, Select etc. 3) no one really
HuK - He's just been doing great recently, from his dual title win, to playing as the ace for oGs, his skill level has just skyrocketed. I can't wait to see his games vs. NaNiwa and DRG. Plus, GO CANADA!
KiWiKaKi - His results have been sort of lacklustre from the recent tournaments that I've seen (Columbus/IPL2), and he is still great. Also, I'd love to see Reign make a good showing in their first major tournament as a team. Plus, GO CANADA!
DongRaeGu - He's great, and of all the Koreans, he is my favourite to win. He quite deserves the Code S slot, I believe (Not saying that BoxeR and MMA don't, I just like DRG right now ). He is definitely quite a powerhouse! Plus, GO ZERG!
Failures:
IdrA - He's good, but I've really just never liked him. I've always been all for honour and respect, and IdrA is definitely not that.
Destiny - Likewise.
MajOr - See above .
There are others that I'd like to see do well, (BoxeR, SLush, iNcontrol, Choya, TL, etc.) but these are my tom 3.
Honor and respect and you put Huk as you favorite? xD
Well, he's not known for BM. Trolling is alright, its the flat-out BM I don't like. Plus, GO CANADA!
I would love to see SlayerS_Alicia do well. Cant really explain it, I just like him. Would also like to see Tyler do well. I really like his phoenix play. & Idra, I think if he had a bit more constitution, he could be a world-class zerg player. It might sound insane but I think he could *possibly* win a GSL if he had a stronger mind, or at least werent so self-defeating. In any case I do hope he does well.
And to the original post, man, I like spanishiwa, and im actually excited that he's playing at this MLG. . But I COMPLETELY agree with you to the overrated portion. My only exception is that I think he's already been demonstrated as to not be at 'that' level yet. When he got 3-0'ed (or 3-1'd?) By . . + Show Spoiler +
was it Major?
I think all fanboys should have stepped back and realized, maybe spanishiwa has some kinks to work out. I think he has a ton of potential, so I bet this will be a great learning experience for him.
The way I feel about spanishiwa is kinda the way I feel about Jon Jones. Incredibly overrated, but truly talented. But thats a whole other topic.
Edit: Not to say Idra isn't world class. What I was meaning by that is that I think he could be a truly elite, GSL finalist/winner calibur zerg player.
A bad (and by bad i mean not top tier pro) player can win an event but a good player will win multiple. "every dog has their day"
Id like to see results from Destiny see if the "free" time incontrol got has paid off at all yet as well as i wouldnt mind seeing naniwa or jinro do well
In the middle of the highway: (waiting to get splattered) Huk: Now dont get me wrong I don't want to see huk fail by any means but at this point hes been built up to fail. If he doesnt do well in mlg you will have people completely forget dreamhack and homestory cup and start the hate. Huk Fighting and win it all
now to fail
Idra the player i love to hate, I love watching him play just as much as I love him getting raged, BMing and generally the target or source of drama, so the worse he does or the more early won game gg's he gives us the more entertainment value can he go for the dreaded 3pete of leaving won games.
The Koreans: Let me start by saying I have nothing be respect for the Korean players and love the fact their here but we cannot let them succeed White people pride we gotta put our foot down at some point and stop the Korean Dominance Huk started leading that pack but the NORTH AMERICAN Star League had the top 4 all koreans somethings wrong with that its time we take the starcraft scene and run with it as White people own koreans
Destiny - I like the guy, I like how genuine he is, I like his style, and I like the innovative and new mentality behind his play. His ability to play Zerg as though it weren't a 'swarm' race is exciting to me, I hope he does well.
Sheth - <3 Sheth. He really deserves a win :3
Incontrol - He puts a lot into the community, stops winning anything, and has to cut everything he does for the community (Essentially). I want to see that extra practice this has afforded him pay off, I really want to see him do well.
People I hope don't do well:
Tyler - I really, REALLY like Tyler (Also, I'm a fellow philosophy major), but I think his ego has gotten the best of him. If he wants to stay in the pro scene, he needs to practice, he needs to get better. But he won't do that if he succeeds.
IdrA: Because he's IdrA and because when he wins, the community does not devolve into a shitstorm. Seriously, any time he loses, you get balance whiners, you get haters, you get the "lol bm" people etc... Plus he's not been doing too well in recent tourneys and with this relatively easy group he should get far.
DeMuslim: Poor guy. He was so good, but hasn't been really showing top results recently after his arm break. Maybe to win the whole thing is too much, but hope he gets top 10.
MMA: Because he trains hard, and because he's a nice guy and because he's boxer's protege, and because Slayers is awesome, and because so is Cella, and because he already has. He needs a GSL spot; he keeps choking in qualifiers.
I can't believe people want Spanishiwa to fail just because he has fanboys 0.o I mean cmon people, if you guys spent at least one day watching him on justin.tv you can see HE has never claimed he's a god of zerg or anything like it. In fact people always ask him to play idra and he constantly states he's not good enough to match against those pro players (referring to code a and s players) so please if you want someone to fail do it because you hate something about THE PLAYER ITSELF not because you don't like hes fanboys. For instance I want idra to fail because I dislike hes bm and lack of focus during games, also hes constant whinning about how UP hes race is, the same reason goes for MC I dislike cocky arrogant players, there's always gonna be someone better and someone worse than you be humble and accept it.
Who I'm rooting for:
Destiny: he's new style of infestors is really good and he has put the effort into refining it
MVP: seriously I always thought he had a level of understanding of terran no one had at the moment he dominated code s so I want to see a comeback.
White-ra: I love hes use of warp prism and just hes overall "speciol tectics"
On July 25 2011 08:24 madestro wrote: I can't believe people want Spanishiwa to fail just because he has fanboys 0.o I mean cmon people, if you guys spent at least one day watching him on justin.tv you can see HE has never claimed he's a god of zerg or anything like it. In fact people always ask him to play idra and he constantly states he's not good enough to match against those pro players (referring to code a and s players) so please if you want someone to fail do it because you hate something about THE PLAYER ITSELF not because you don't like hes fanboys. For instance I want idra to fail because I dislike hes bm and lack of focus during games, also hes constant whinning about how UP hes race is, the same reason goes for MC I dislike cocky arrogant players, there's always gonna be someone better and someone worse than you be humble and accept it.
Who I'm rooting for:
Destiny: he's new style of infestors is really good and he has put the effort into refining it
MVP: seriously I always thought he had a level of understanding of terran no one had at the moment he dominated code s so I want to see a comeback.
White-ra: I love hes use of warp prism and just hes overall "speciol tectics"
There's no one better than MC, at least as Protoss. And MC's not arrogant, he's just a showman.
HuK: He won an MLG, several other tournaments.. he's dedicated and on a winning streak! MMA: His games were exciting last MLG and so i'd like to see more these! SLush: The guy have had awesome good results throughoutt MLG tournaments...the guy is talented, top 3 on this run?
On July 25 2011 08:24 madestro wrote: I can't believe people want Spanishiwa to fail just because he has fanboys 0.o I mean cmon people, if you guys spent at least one day watching him on justin.tv you can see HE has never claimed he's a god of zerg or anything like it. In fact people always ask him to play idra and he constantly states he's not good enough to match against those pro players (referring to code a and s players) so please if you want someone to fail do it because you hate something about THE PLAYER ITSELF not because you don't like hes fanboys.
Completely agree. Spanishiwa knows where hes at, and thats why I hope he learns alot @ this MLG. He doesnt have the attitude that comes along with such fanism. So I think people should seperate the fans from the man. He seems like a nice guy as per his games with husky and ahanaris .
Plus, I mean, he really is good, and his builds are pretty original. His creativity must be respected
there was nothing ironic about it....i would reccomend, rereading my post. my self explanation was included to show that im not some hypocrit who has claimed to follow the scene for the last decade when i havent. as for his accomplishments. i know exactly what they are. i know exactly what his history was(probably better than you).
"i know exactly what his history was (probably better than you)" - that's the exact problem with your arrogantly incorrect mindset. You go around claiming that people are at fault for "not following him when he was prime." That's exactly what I'm criticizing, that people following a player specifically only during their success is not something laudable - in fact, it becomes reprehensible when that's what they do, and that is what's ironic, since you're criticizing people for being "bandwagon fans" because they did not behave as a true bandwagon fan in solely supporting a player because of that player's temporal success.
On July 25 2011 07:56 cavalier117 wrote:as for you claiming you knew of him. im calling bullshit. if your a westerner, and you didnt know what TL was. the odds you knew anything of what people were doing in korea, would have been so remarkably low. Other than TL, there was like 2 or 3 other american starcraft sites, all of them so small, a google search wouldnt even bring them up.(mad props if anyone reading this could even list 1 or more of them off.) when streaming didnt happen. noone did english commentary. and even getting replays was diffucult( the height of his career being 2001-2004, youtube wasnt even popular back then, let alone replays on it) so grow up. so yea, if you "knew", you would be like in the top 1% of westerners.
Look who's not reading? I explicitly said I knew of him before I joined TL, not back in 2001. Clearly, you just read what you want to see to go on your nonsensical diatribe while missing the point. The point was that you don't have to be "the old BW veteran" to become a fan of someone retroactively or for what they're doing right now. The point is that I have become familiar with Boxer without needing to follow the Broodwar scene.
People are not simply being fans for Boxer just because he was some Broodwar name - they're fans for his continuity in the SC2 scene. All the broodwar past does is add history and story for Boxer.
On July 25 2011 07:56 cavalier117 wrote: as for your reply link... thats the best you got? a tiny forum post from like two weeks ago? there is noone questioning his advancement of esports, you could have listed how he formed the Korean team ACE, or how then made SlayerS or like 30 other things, nope you gave a 25 word post that said "wow, we didnt even know western fans really existed, but thanks!"
"Two weeks ago" was the point. Again, not surprising that you missed it while blindly ranting. My position is emphasizing how a person is fan of Boxer for what he's still doing right now, ie that was only the most recent of his obvious efforts. Another important part of that is how that's just a personal and direct connection between Boxer to his fans that uniquely makes him popular among the korean pros/legends. (On a side note, your lack of reading comprehension is apparent here: nowhere does that message say "we didn't know you existed," and your lack of knowledge about him is apparent, because his appearance at Blizzcon would dispel the silly notion that he didn't know he had fans in the west).
On July 25 2011 07:56 cavalier117 wrote:TL;DR i know exactly what Boxer has done. He's like Tiger Woods to BOxer and golf was BW for westerners, nobody followed it, but people just know hes(was) really good, so they jump all over it. i just pointed it out.
Here's the overall problem with your position: you're claiming that he has "bandwagon followers" because he was just "really good." But Boxer actually is not the Tiger Woods of SC2. Boxer's reputation is not for being the winningest player. It's for being one of the smartest and creative players, for opening the path for e-sports. They're fans for style, they're fans for e-sports, not for direct achievements, which is why they continue to support him despite his lack of direct prominence in SC2 achievements.
Finally, you're not "just pointing it out" - you're also willfully wanting Boxer to lose as a result of this, which is just horrible logic. Not only will people still be fans of Boxer anyways, since he has been losing while retaining that fan base, but the idea of wanting Boxer to suffer losses only so you can still act haughty towards random people on the internet is just absurd.
On July 25 2011 07:11 Shiori wrote: 1) DRG-- excellent player, deserves to win 2) HuK-- Canadian. 3) MMA- he's had some bad results lately. would like to see him do well 4) koreans in general so that foreigners with huge egos (e.g. destiny, idra) will stfu and realize how far from the top they are to fail:
1) idra- terrible attitude, absolutely clueless about balance. he's one of the top foreigners, but he just can't deliver lately and his whining just makes me hate him even more 2) destiny- he's okay, but nothing special. pretty much the definition of why infestors need to be revamped. but i don't mind that so much as the fact that he's one of the most annoying people to listen to talk on his stream + his fanboys are extremely bad and irritating. 3) incontrol- awful, overrated, and sucked totally at casting NASL. this guy needs to stop playing sc2. 4) Haypro- even worse than incontrol 5) Drewbie- garbage
You like Huk because he's canadian but hate foreigners lol.
he trains the korean way and is the only foreigner who has ever impressed me by performing convincingly against koreans.
Tyler - He was one spot off from qualifying for the championship bracket. If any single player currently in pool play declined invitation, then we'd all be blogging about how this may be his last chance for redemption. If he places high, he's back in the champ pool, where he belongs. I see enormous potential in him, but I don't know if he has the drive to succeed anymore.
White-Ra - I've been a fan of this guy since BW. I really hope he makes a deep run, because he needs to place extremely high in order to secure a seed for the next MLG. Sadly, even a fourth place finish might not be high enough to secure a seed. If he doesn't place high, this may be the only time we see him compete in MLG for the rest of the season.
Boxer - With a little bit of bracket luck (namely avoiding DRG) he actually has a good chance of taking this tournament. The current trends in Korean TvT favor his playstyle, and he has been performing very well against foreigners. This may be his only chance to get back into GSL. If he can make it to the finals, then it will be super epic, because Koreans can't get the Code A invites, only Code S. So there will be a lot more on the line than usual, if this happens.
To fail:
Idra - The hissy fits he throws are more entertaining than the games he wins. His performance has been on a slow and steady decline, most likely due to a lack of practice, so I hope he crashes and burns. Only way he'll get his priorities straight. I am seriously wondering what he will do to throw away an almost certain victory this time.
Sheth - FXO might be willing to let his complete and utter abandonment of his team slide, right in the middle of GSTL, but I view it as pretty low. He had an opportunity to live and train with the best of the world and turned it down, so I hope his results end up an accurate reflection of his work ethic.
Drewbie - I had trouble deciding on a third player, so picked him out after taking a look at the brackets for someone who is placing high mostly due to bracket luck. He has very few wins over notable players in MLG, and in the 2011 season hasn't won a single game in the lower bracket. He's only in the champ bracket because he had the easiest pool at Dallas. MMA, Ret, and any open bracket player will smash him this time around.
On July 25 2011 07:11 Shiori wrote: 1) DRG-- excellent player, deserves to win 2) HuK-- Canadian. 3) MMA- he's had some bad results lately. would like to see him do well 4) koreans in general so that foreigners with huge egos (e.g. destiny, idra) will stfu and realize how far from the top they are to fail:
1) idra- terrible attitude, absolutely clueless about balance. he's one of the top foreigners, but he just can't deliver lately and his whining just makes me hate him even more 2) destiny- he's okay, but nothing special. pretty much the definition of why infestors need to be revamped. but i don't mind that so much as the fact that he's one of the most annoying people to listen to talk on his stream + his fanboys are extremely bad and irritating. 3) incontrol- awful, overrated, and sucked totally at casting NASL. this guy needs to stop playing sc2. 4) Haypro- even worse than incontrol 5) Drewbie- garbage
You like Huk because he's canadian but hate foreigners lol.
he trains the korean way and is the only foreigner who has ever impressed me by performing convincingly against koreans.
Nani? Hope to win: DRG Nani Select Hope to fail: Tyler: He seems not into pro gaming and hasn't had very convincing showing or amazing strats,
Idra - The hissy fits he throws are more entertaining than the games he wins. His performance has been on a slow and steady decline, most likely due to a lack of practice, so I hope he crashes and burns. Only way he'll get his priorities straight. I am seriously wondering what he will do to throw away an almost certain victory this time.
Did you miss the whole team house and boot camp, as well as promising to not leave games so early?
Hope to Succeed Tyler - I've always liked Nony since BW, smarter than Koreans and has good enough or even better mechanics than Koreans. If only he could practice like the Koreans
Ret - Same as Tyler
Boxer - Your not a Starcraft fan if you don't root for the emperor
Hopes to win: -Cruncher - I like his stream. He's on complexity. He beat Idra before. I enjoyed his TSL run. It was also surprising how far he got last MLG. He beat KiwiKaKi in a PvP. -Major - He made it very far last MLG by advancing through the open bracket. I think his macro is great and his mechanics are outstanding. I like the fact that he has many aliases. -Minigun - I like his stream. He's on complexity. He beat Idra before. I like his protoss style. I like his overuse of probes and use of storm drops. -(Drewbie) - He's on complexity. I think he can become a good terran with good training. He's decent at TvT. -(Silver) - If he ever competes again. -(Masq) - see above -Anyone who beats Destiny or idra.
Hopes to lose: -Spanishiwa - For creating the style that I have a hard time dealing with. -Destiny - I dislike him for using infestors and infestor drops. I dislike infestors. I dislike that he beat Bomber with infestors. I like the drama when he loses. -Idra - Only reason is because there is always drama when he loses. -Anyone who uses more than 5 infestors in a game
Idra - The hissy fits he throws are more entertaining than the games he wins. His performance has been on a slow and steady decline, most likely due to a lack of practice, so I hope he crashes and burns. Only way he'll get his priorities straight. I am seriously wondering what he will do to throw away an almost certain victory this time.
Did you miss the whole team house and boot camp, as well as promising to not leave games so early?
He is practicing way more now.
i did not hear about that
however, idra tilts harder than an amusement park ride, so any promises he makes now will probably evaporate in front of the spotlight. his mechanics are top class, but his decision making often isn't, engaging battles he can't win, and taking way too long to decide a target when he's maxed, giving the opponent an extra round of units he shouldn't have. so even if he doesn't outright leave, there are plenty of other ways i've seen idra blow massive leads.
Boxer. Obvious comeback. MVP. Obvious slump. White-Ra: Be a family man~
spanishiwa idra and destiny for top16 no further. if you want to consider that failure. zerg playstyle has mostly been unimpressive to me. Maybe it's just the mechanics. I'm not GM.
Destiny - funny guy and I wanna see him do well IdrA - Easily a player who deserves to win based off his understanding of the game. TLO - He's been on rest... He's gotta come back with a smash
Destiny - funny guy and I wanna see him do well IdrA - Easily a player who deserves to win based off his understanding of the game. TLO - He's been on rest... He's gotta come back with a smash
To lose: MC <- very BM over cocky ass MMA Protoss
I forgot about MC. Honestly I want him to win too.
In terms of his BM and cockiness, honestly I'm not sure if that's his true feelings or its just an act.
When he casted with TotalBiscuit (for example), he seemed like a normal okay Joe.
Same with what he said when HuK beat him (he said he no cry because his friend won and he won a lot of money already or something like that >.>).
Finally his mom (in GSL season 3 interview in Finals), said he is a good boy >.> and that he doesn't really act that way off game.
Destiny - funny guy and I wanna see him do well IdrA - Easily a player who deserves to win based off his understanding of the game. TLO - He's been on rest... He's gotta come back with a smash
To lose: MC <- very BM over cocky ass MMA Protoss
MC isn't playing you dolt. It seems you were over confident in your reading comprehension, that or your attention span. Also who wouldn't be "over" cocky when you're the most successful starcraft 2 player to date. Also umad because MC knocked out Idra out of 3 tourneys
To lose: I wouldn't hope for any players, who put everything in to this, to lose. But if I had to pick any it would be the following three based purely on their IDs
-Destiny He is such an underrated player, yet a lot of his games are so fun to watch and he plays very well in all of them. -iNcontroL I just love watching Geoff play, and the amount of stuff he does for the Starcraft community is astounding. -IdrA Definitely one of the best Starcraft players mechanically, and probably the best Zerg, and with his recent figuring out of ZvP, I really do think he will do very well.
Naming who I want to fail is very disrespectful, so I will not be doing that.
HasHe - Awesome Terran with great talent and ability
HuK - Because he deserves it for how hard he works and is just awesome
IMMvp - My hero
Lose:
Spanishiwa - Overrated
Destiny - Hes an OK player... but I mainly hate his personality and his troll fanboys that think they're cool. Also I hate trolls and that's what Destiny is.
Major - Immature and unprofessional behavior in the past
Destiny - funny guy and I wanna see him do well IdrA - Easily a player who deserves to win based off his understanding of the game. TLO - He's been on rest... He's gotta come back with a smash
To lose: MC <- very BM over cocky ass MMA Protoss
MC just isn't coming to Anaheim.
He is not really BM, he just knows how to get the crowd going. He is a very personable person (as it seems in other scenarios), and he just seems to like having fun.
It also just seems that he and IdrA have a bit of a rivalry going, so it's fun for MC to expand on it. MC is definitely one of my favourite players (I have a lot of favourites).
Now, I'm just waiting 'till NesTea comes to MLG. That will be great! Definitely one of my top 3 favourite players (Him, HuK, and MC, probably).
Win jinro- Want him to prove that he is out of his slump and him beeing a fellow swede u just gotta root for him Boxer- Really just want him to show that his career is in no way over and that he still the best Any fxo (international) guy - They got some smack for they way they performed in the gstl and i want them to show what beeing in korea has done to them
Lose Cant really say i hope for anyone to lose although i would like to see that the koreans have a hard time(apart from boxer ). Foreigners FIGHTING!!!
Gonna mix it up a bit. Had a long post planned but felt it was TL;DR material for most.
To WIN: 1. Boxer. Enough people has praised his name here. 2. Idra. Haters gonna hate. Top 3 NA zerg. If any NA zerg is going to pull a win, it would be him. 3. Incontrol. Love his casting, his play, and his mindset. Glad he's back to full time practice.
More than Honorable mention: DRG
To do well: 1.Tyler. I was never much into BW, I had only seen a few streams/vods. Tyler is one of the players who stood out to me as someone to watch. I hope he returns to form so I can see that shine again. 2.Spanishwa. Fresh air to a mostly stagnant scene. Not a huge name, not a powerhouse, but has shown play that's inspiring. Just hope to see a few of his games through open bracket and would like to hear of his experience. 3.Demuslim. Broken arm set him back a bit but his form increases pretty much ever casted match I can catch of him. Watching him and Idra play some practice games against each other was an eye opener for TvZ to me from both angles. One of the few Terrans I love watching.
Honorable Mentions: Machine. QXC. Vibe. Sheth. Team Liquid. WhiteRa. FXO
Players I don't want to do great/advance. 1. Major. Not a fan of how he handles himself at all. People point out similarities between him and say Idra, but Idra doesn't smurf to play in a tourney he's been denied access to. Was hopefuly after Artosis hyped him up but he has a ton of lessons to learn still it seems. 2. Cruncher. I don't get why people think he is anything special. He doesn't have the fanboys that say Spanishiwa or Destiny does, but when people defend him I'm left wondering why. 3. Spent 30 minutes just really trying to come up with a solid 3. Major rolled right off my fingers, Cruncher then followed. Can't really say theres a 3rd person that I could justify wanting to not do so well.
TLO fighting - love his playstyle more than anyone's and his personality plus I think he has amazing potential I'm expecting him to come back hard now that his injury is just about healed Idra fighting - baller Jinro fighting - such an awesome guy but he's been falling behind I really want to see some new impressive play from him, i think if he keeps doing poorly his slump will just get worse he needs this
I don't really dislike any players or even their fanbases enough to say I hope for them to fail. There are plenty I expect not to win, of course. But if major or machine or choya or anyone else ends up wrecking shop and plowing kids then good for them and good for me because it will be entertaining.
1)sixjaxmajor: He gets a lot of hate that's when there wasn't a major incident, that's why I would like him to show some good games. He is also a really good player and I hope I can learn something from his games. 2)demuslim: I think he has had a lot of time now to train so he should be able to pull off a strong showing. I really hope I don't have to watch him hellion marine drop every single tvz. 3)thelittleone: He had some poor games in the last two MLGs and I think he can do a lot better so I hope he causes some upsets.
terran bias not intended
1 player to fail:
1)Destiny: He gets a lot of love and is said to be very smart. I disagree and on top of that I think he is not a good player at all. So i want him to fail pretty hard like last time.
This is tricky, but I hope IdrA does horribly, so that he realises that he can't practice two hours a day and get top5 every tournament. He is a really good player once he practices.
Spanisiwha, way too overhyped.
Last one, I dont know, any of the hyped mediocre NA players, like Destiny, Spades, desRow especially. I have no clue if qxc is going or not, but the way he has been acting, even though he had a great accomplishment allkilling IM is disgusting. I hope he gets smashed, so that he can get back down to earth.
Can't wait for the weekend, gonna be a nice break from all the horrible things happening atm.
On July 25 2011 12:15 cENTRYZ wrote:Last one, I dont know, any of the hyped mediocre NA players, like Destiny, Spades, desRow especially. I have no clue if qxc is going or not, but the way he has been acting, even though he had a great accomplishment allkilling IM is disgusting. I hope he gets smashed, so that he can get back down to earth.
yeah i feel there are a LOT of overated NA players. i dont want them to fail, but i dont want them to place higher than they deserve ; )
though at the same time, if they played some very skillful games all tourny, i would be more than happy for them to place highly
On July 24 2011 16:33 Windows 7 wrote: I think it's flat out messed up to actually hope for someone to fail. Pretty BM, mate. Especially for Spanishiwa -
He's damn good. He's beaten some great players such as TLO, but there's one thing I really hate, you see, and that is fanboys....
....I hope Spanishiwa bombs out, just to shut these guys up.
So.... you're hoping he fails just because people like him? Really, dude?
Lmao, seriously. You explained your reason hoping for Spanishiwa to fail is that because a lot of fans overhype him (to you, which I would agree with). That is rather hilarious/terrible/discredits the rest of this thread..
Win: -Huk - Very entertaining to watch. Never know what you're going to get a Mothership rush!! After dreamhack(huk), I see him with a strong showing. -IdrA - Favorite Zerg. Not afraid to tell it like it is. If he can get out of his group first, I don't see him having the display that he had last MLG this time around. His take on the game is just amazing to me, even though he has many haters. -MMA - After last MLG, I really want to see how his style has evolved and terran has been dominating in the Korean servers lately. I'm in hopes that he goes deep in the tournament so that I can get a good view of his take on the match ups and game right now.
Lose:
Can't really justify any that I'd like to have a sub-par showing...<Bias>Maybe Protoss and Zerg? Go Terrans!!!</Bias>
On July 25 2011 13:04 Legend7777 wrote: Win: -Huk - Very entertaining to watch. Never know what you're going to get a Mothership rush!! After dreamhack(huk), I see him with a strong showing. -IdrA - Favorite Zerg. Not afraid to tell it like it is. If he can get out of his group first, I don't see him having the display that he had last MLG this time around. His take on the game is just amazing to me, even though he has many haters. -MMA - After last MLG, I really want to see how his style has evolved and terran has been dominating in the Korean servers lately. I'm in hopes that he goes deep in the tournament so that I can get a good view of his take on the match ups and game right now.
Lose: -MC - Great player, but I really dislike the attitude that he shows trying to create controversy.
Can't really justify any other that I'd like to have a sub-par showing...<Bias>Maybe Protoss and Zerg? Go Terrans!!!</Bias>
MC won't possibly lose this tournament, just look at the pool...
DongRaeGu, been a fan ever since his first few matches in GSTL, the Code A qualifiers are brutal and he so deserves a spot in Code S, he's better than half the players in it.
Destiny, he's pretty active on a music site i frequent, and hes a really cool guy from all the posts ive seen AND he's really good. Ive seen so many people say he's not that good, but he beat Ace & Bomber and put up a good fight against, he's definitely at the level of the top players, he just needs to vary his style now and then.
Idra/MVP, Idra just because he gets so much hate, even though he's a really good player. He's been able to beat MMA who again, won the last MLG and went so far in the GSTL and GSL. MVP just because i'd rather see him do well and win than another foreigner since i'd rather see great games instead of just going strong and meh.
Runner up, Sheth, he's such a nice guy and a good player. He performed fine, not outstanding but good enough in the GSTL match he was in and i hope he does well.
To fail
Huk, he has an annoying personality, to me is overrated as a player although he has talent, and i've never particularly liked him. He was always boring to me.
ColCruncher, I hate him and he's not a great player.
Foreigners in general, except for the ones i hope to win.
Destiny beat Bomber and Ace an online tourneys that they have to probably play at ridiculous hours. Ddoro Goody and Lovecd also beat Nestea in online tourneys...Destiny should beat a good player at a LAN before you call him at the level of a "top" player.
while I agree I don't think the played at that bad of hours. I believe they played in the morning
On July 25 2011 13:04 Legend7777 wrote: Win: -Huk - Very entertaining to watch. Never know what you're going to get a Mothership rush!! After dreamhack(huk), I see him with a strong showing. -IdrA - Favorite Zerg. Not afraid to tell it like it is. If he can get out of his group first, I don't see him having the display that he had last MLG this time around. His take on the game is just amazing to me, even though he has many haters. -MMA - After last MLG, I really want to see how his style has evolved and terran has been dominating in the Korean servers lately. I'm in hopes that he goes deep in the tournament so that I can get a good view of his take on the match ups and game right now.
Lose: -MC - Great player, but I really dislike the attitude that he shows trying to create controversy.
Can't really justify any other that I'd like to have a sub-par showing...<Bias>Maybe Protoss and Zerg? Go Terrans!!!</Bias>
MC won't possibly lose this tournament, just look at the pool...
Just following OP...I don't want to see him do well. I give him the credit that he is do. He is a great player, but if I had to pick someone that I wouldn't want to see do well, it'd be MC.
On July 25 2011 13:04 Legend7777 wrote: Win: -Huk - Very entertaining to watch. Never know what you're going to get a Mothership rush!! After dreamhack(huk), I see him with a strong showing. -IdrA - Favorite Zerg. Not afraid to tell it like it is. If he can get out of his group first, I don't see him having the display that he had last MLG this time around. His take on the game is just amazing to me, even though he has many haters. -MMA - After last MLG, I really want to see how his style has evolved and terran has been dominating in the Korean servers lately. I'm in hopes that he goes deep in the tournament so that I can get a good view of his take on the match ups and game right now.
Lose: -MC - Great player, but I really dislike the attitude that he shows trying to create controversy.
Can't really justify any other that I'd like to have a sub-par showing...<Bias>Maybe Protoss and Zerg? Go Terrans!!!</Bias>
MC won't possibly lose this tournament, just look at the pool...
Just following OP...I don't want to see him do well. I give him the credit that he is do. He is a great player, but if I had to pick someone that I wouldn't want to see do well, it'd be MC.
Seriously people look at the freaking list before you post. MC isn't in the tourney.
On July 25 2011 13:04 Legend7777 wrote: Win: -Huk - Very entertaining to watch. Never know what you're going to get a Mothership rush!! After dreamhack(huk), I see him with a strong showing. -IdrA - Favorite Zerg. Not afraid to tell it like it is. If he can get out of his group first, I don't see him having the display that he had last MLG this time around. His take on the game is just amazing to me, even though he has many haters. -MMA - After last MLG, I really want to see how his style has evolved and terran has been dominating in the Korean servers lately. I'm in hopes that he goes deep in the tournament so that I can get a good view of his take on the match ups and game right now.
Lose: -MC - Great player, but I really dislike the attitude that he shows trying to create controversy.
Can't really justify any other that I'd like to have a sub-par showing...<Bias>Maybe Protoss and Zerg? Go Terrans!!!</Bias>
MC won't possibly lose this tournament, just look at the pool...
Just following OP...I don't want to see him do well. I give him the credit that he is do. He is a great player, but if I had to pick someone that I wouldn't want to see do well, it'd be MC.
Seriously people look at the freaking list before you post. MC isn't in the tourney.
haha~ I thought I saw people talking about him. assumed he was in. my mistake.
hope to do well: Sheth- awesome guy and really great player!! Just parted ways with his team so i hope he does well this tournament to get a great contract with a new team!
Boxer- I can never not hope for him to do well ^_^! But really he is a great player i just hope he has been practicing!
Destiny- Although i was never a fan of Destiny (and i especially hated his fanboys), i have seen recently that he has been preforming really well and people don't give the credit he deserves. Also I really love his zvp style! :D
Hope to fail:
-All the Protoss players :p (especially Naniwa)
The Koreans- Mostly because i don't want a all top 3 Korean result.
1) SixJax.Major - Split between being very impressed with his play and very disappointed with his douchebaggery. Please come back when you're easier to root for.
2) MVP - When my buddies said MVP was best terran in the world, I just couldn't help but think of the MVP on Woongjin. A mediocre, standard terran whose finest game was taking Flash lategame BCs on Matchpoint. I had this guy on my FPL when he was at his hottest. Very unimpressed by his lack of motivation to do well, please drop out early so we can see other games.
3) Destiny - If he wins, I'll have to face more infestor users on ladder. Don't wanna.
I'm gonna do more than 3, because I know pretty much no one will really read this post anyway.
To do well:
Alicia. He's gonna smash the open bracket and I can see him doing well in pool play. I feel like he's strong enough to win the tournament, so I'm surprised to see him get very little attention in this thread so far.
Destiny. I just want to see him make it out of the open bracket. I don't care if he gets seeded into pool play, as long as he at least makes it to the championship loser's bracket I'll be happy.
Major. Everyone hates him, but he still plays really well, so I'll be rooting for him.
Qxc. I wanna see his training in korea pay off, he was in great shape against IM and I hope he uses some of that momentum to to do well at Anaheim.
Megumixbear. Would like to see a girl do well in SC2.
To Fail:
Everyone from EG. Incontrol is a tool, IdrA is a negative nancy, and everyone else on the team is mediocre.
Everyone from CoL. Another bunch of really mediocre players.
Everyone from Liquid. They're good, but way overrated. The only member from the team who even remotely lives up to the hype around him is HuK, but that wasn't even until he won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup.
Boxer. This guy is so far past his glory days it's not even funny. He's the SC2 equivalent of a modern day backstreet boy. Get over him already.
1. Destiny, because he has cool builds 2. Idra, because the more titles he wins the funnier it is to hear him say Zerg can't win 3. DRG, because I want to see him in the individual leagues. MMA would be my fourth choice.
To Lose
1. Tiberious Von Asshat, because of his BM 2. Snidely Whiplash, because he stream-cheats 3. Deezer. Obviously
On July 24 2011 16:43 Soluhwin wrote: I'll also have to disagree for the same reasons on destiny. If he tells one of his student's a build is unbeatable, the community calls it the "destiny 4gate". If destiny uses an overpool in a match, people make a thread titled "destiny's 11pool 18hatch". And it is disgusting how he manages to make only infestors and succede, even as a zerg player. It feels like I, as well as many a player better than me, take steps to break down a match-up, hard work to descipher what is best and what isn't, and destiny just steps in and says "INFESTORS!" it feels like he is the new cruncher, making the race look easy and begging for a nerf. I really hope infested terrans get removed soon so you can't take down a freeking planatary with a support caster
So you dislike Destiny because he figured out something you didn't?
Haters gonna hate I guess, but that seems a little over the top doesn't it?
Destiny - funny guy and I wanna see him do well IdrA - Easily a player who deserves to win based off his understanding of the game. TLO - He's been on rest... He's gotta come back with a smash
To lose: MC <- very BM over cocky ass MMA Protoss
I fixed it for you
On July 25 2011 10:30 eiddiM wrote: To win:
Destiny - funny guy and I wanna see him do well IdrA <- very BM over cocky ass TLO - He's been on rest... He's gotta come back with a smash
I really want MVP to win. It was amazing hearing/seeing him destroy these two tournament in January 2011, probably the peak of his career where everyone knew he was the best Terran in the world (and probably the best player at THAT TIME).
But even if he doesn't, Boxer for Code A or Code S would make my day
Want HuK and IdrA to do well. Kinda want slush, incontroll, and a couple of the other guys who have been clogging up the seeds to drop out. But if they don't I'll live, there will always be good players too. (or at least I want them to show they aren't just clogging up seeds, lol)
IdrA - bar none my favorite player so of course I want him to take it home. Vibe - really an underrated player with a lot of potential. I feel like he gets tense/nervous during big tournaments, when I watch him play on his stream he plays extremely well - hopefully he can calm his nerves, slow that APM a bit(i feel like his 400 apm his a little too spammy) and put up a good show. RGNphoenix - I love watching his stream and really enjoy his heavy ling/bling play that he uses into the midgame. Would love to see him do well. ------------------------------
Want to lose/fail:
Destiny -I really have less against Destiny then I do against his fanboys. He is so overhyped/praised it is disgusting. I just want the hype to stop, he has become much stronger as a player though and I do respect that.
Win: -Idra - If he didnt tilt last MLG he would have won the whole thing. And since he didn't get into the NASL finals, Idra must redeem himself by taking nothing less than 1st place. -DRG - He deserves the Code S spot more than anyone. -HuK - Hes on a roll, and i hope he can continue to push his dominance
I don't really don't have any hopes for anyone to lose, there's no need to be negative.
Good luck to all participants.
Edit: Omg can't believe I forgot about WhiteRa, i really hope he can take at least a top 4 spot this MLG. He really needs a major win and hes definitely capable of it.
EGIdra number 1! - He has always been my number 1 I just love watching him and wish him the best of luck. Destiny number 2! Totally Awsome guy I love his stream. Unknown Open bracket Winner Player number 3! Just some random guy busting into the scene taking the money then vanishing is something I wanna see.
My Fails MMA- His drop style play is being prepared for by every pro player there. I doubt he can repeat. Liquid Tyler I dont think he can make it into the pool play with such good players in the Open bracket. EGIncontrol- Just dont think he has what it takes to hang with the koreans and Idra.
I don't really want anyone to fail, but I hope one of the Code S deserving Koreans can snag that spot (I'd love to see BoxeR do it, obviously). I like that MLG provides a second chance for many amazing players who haven't had much luck in the qualifiers and Code A.
HuK - He is one of my favorite players to watch and I believe that he is one of the few foreigners that has a chance to overcome the koreans. A few other foreigner names that come to mind is IdrA, WhiteRa, and Naniwa.
Destiny - Same as OP
InControl - The guy wants a tournament win 5x more then any other top player and I hope that he can finally get one.
I feel its quite BM to post who should be knocked of the tourney so I'd rather not post who I want to get stomped. I just hope there isn't another top 3 Korean finish again
On July 25 2011 13:02 bananaman533 wrote: I want CombatEX and Deezer to do well (lol seriously). I would love to see what Incontrol and Destiny would say about that.
I'll be cheering for Huk, Naniwa and Boxer, I don't really want anyone specific to fail, just so long as the guys in the later rounds don't bitbybit their way there I'll be happy
To succeed : 1) DRG. In reality, I want to watch and have nerdgasms at his ZvT more than I want him to win the whole thing. DRG RAPING ! 2) I cannot choose a second one precisely, but I do hope any of the TL guy will have a good run. 3) Idra. I don't really like the person, but he's always impressive to watch when he doesn't have his auto-leave ability enabled.
To fail : none. I don't know many players apart from the "best", but I hope every one do good.
Tyler - One of my favourite players. Sad to see he has yet to win anything big in SC2, so I really want him to do well. Hopefully he's got some builds saved up.
Destiny - Sick zerg with a bit of a unique unorthodox style which has been proven to be effective, has taken multiple games off HuK, and I think bomber and ace as well.
TLO - He hasn't won anything big in a while, but hes recovering back from his injury so hopefully he's in good form to do well.
Don't care much about who fails, I don't really wany anyone to fail, but there are a few players that I don't see doing well at all, like Slush. He has placed decently in the past, but I don't see it happening this time. He's just not on the same level as guys like DRG, HuK, MVP, IdrA, Naniwa, etc.
QXC - His all-kill of the IM team was awesome. Hoping he follows in Jinro and Huks footsteps by winning a big tournament after a stint in Korea.
Boxer - No reason neccessary.
MVP - He's been my favourite player for a while and I really want to see him come out of this slump.
Fail
MC - Guy is entertaining but I think I need a break from him getting to the final stages of every tournament. Also, 1 less Protoss means less chance of having to watch a PvP.
On July 24 2011 16:24 RPR_Tempest wrote: Hopes to fail:
vile.Spanishiwa: How should I best explain this? You have players like tgun and Gatored, who are capable of competing at a very high level, but I'm not under some illusion that they're so good that they can go and beat MC or anything. Spanishiwa is one of those very, very few players I would actually say is overrated. Wait, wait. Don't get me wrong, he's good. He's damn good. He's beaten some great players such as TLO, but there's one thing I really hate, you see, and that is fanboys. Whether it's Halo fanboys, Broly fanboys or whatever. Spanishiwa is one of those players who has genuine fanboys that overrate him. A lot of players do, I know. Destiny does too, and I want Destiny to do well! But MAN, if you look at Husky's videos of Spanishiwa, I just get really, really annoyed. There are people saying "Spanishiwa is the greatest player of all time!" "I wonder if it's actually possible to beat Spanishiwa! He's unstoppable!" "Spanishiwa could seriously become a bonjwa!" "Spanishiwa vs MC! That would be an amazing match!" Stop it, stop it! Spanishiwa is good, but he's not that good! This exists for most players, but I have never seen it to such an aggravating extent as Spanishiwa. I hope Spanishiwa bombs out, just to shut these guys up. I should know better though. Fanboys never shut up.
It's hard to resist to become a Spanishiwa fan. I once watched him for three games on his stream. Though he lost all of them, I learned A TON. He was performing his icefisher build and did things I thought were impossible. He commented on a chat note – it was not me who he commented on, but someone else – and still changed my mindset. Now I don't play to win on ladder, but to improve. (I don't play to win this game, only to win a game I will play at a later point.)
I would say, he is legit as he also can win versus top players. It's not just entertaining play.
Idra - I loved his play for a long time, and to this day, I continue to love his play. I hope he gets another top result under his belt, as long as he can stay calm.
White-Ra - The first player I became a fan of for SC2. Someone you can listen to while talking English, not get bored one moment. He is really, really good, and an absolutely great guy.
SeleCT - I can never get enough of his play, his recent play vs. Morrow in Shoutcraft #2 was amazing, and I wanna see him really, really successful. In MLG Dallas, his match vs. Incontrol was complete and utter domination. That play left my jaw open for minutes.
Fail: I am not going to "hope" for fails, because it sort of sounds childish and mean, but I'm going to write who I think is going to fail.
Tyler - He's in slump for such a long time, and honestly I don't expect any mind-blowing improvement. Destiny - I don't think he will fail that hard, but I don't see him advancing too much in the tournament. I think he will fail in comparison to the expectations, not due to his own play, because he isn't actually bad. Demuslim - For this one, I just feel like it. I don't know why.
Boxer - The Emperor needs some good results to turn around his recent losses. Hopefully his shoulder injury won't be holding him back this time around. I am expecting (hoping) him to place top 8 at the very least and taking top 3 would do wonders for his morale.
MVP - He has been slumping lately and I really want MVP to get back into form. I want to see him absolutely crush his foreigner competition and get this win under his belt so that maybe he will be able to step up his GSL performances and provide us with another amazing run like in GSL S4.
Jinro - This grey back has been slumping hard lately. Ever since his last RO4 appearance in the GSL he has been losing everything. Even at Dreamhack, in his home country where everyone was cheering for him to succeed, he failed to achieve anything. These three players that I want to do well are the three I also want to stand on the podium in the end of the tournament.
Fail:
Spanishiwa - This is probably my least favorite player in existence right now. So overly hyped it is ridiculous. His play style is so sugar coated by his fans that if you ate it, it would give you diabetes instantly. His fan base loves him unconditionally, for reasons unbeknownst to me. Every time I hear his name, I feel like an iv filled jaegermeister (brewed with extra rage) has been stuck into my arm and makes me want to just break everything in sight.
Major - This guy is a prick. Always has been and always will be. He is a pretty good player but I want to see him out of a team within two months and to help expedite that process, he needs to lose everything.
LzGaMeR - I don't even know why he is still on EG. He switched races recently from terran to zerg and has had similar results (None). I probably don't even need to add him to the list because I already know that he will achieve nothing here so I will add a different person.
HDStarcraft/Painuser - Didn't even realize they were playing until I looked at the listed of players showing up at Anaheim, but now that I know they will be there, I want them to not only get knocked out first round by some random master's league players, but to get absolutely annihilated by the guys.
Succeed: Boxer - It's time for him to erupt and give these whippersnappers the what for. Sheth - Would love to see him do really well to help him in finding a new team. Tyler - It appears he's actually training for this event, and if history serves, he'll be a force to be reckoned with.
Fail: PainUser - I just don't want to see professional casters/content providers do well. Devote more time to the game if you want to occupy an open bracket spot. HDStarcraft - I just don't want to see professional casters/content providers do well. Devote more time to the game if you want to occupy an open bracket spot. Drewbie - Watched his stream a few times, and a few interviews. Just never cared for him. His play is underwhelming as well.
Foreign players. QXC, Incontrol, etc Destiny and Catz. Entertaining streams and very good players. Only Zergs that I wouldn't mind winning. Megumixbear. Skilled player. Fun to watch and contributes to the community with tournaments.
Fail.
Koreans. Overated and tired of people kissing their feet. Zergs. Overpowered whiners.
1. The Koreans. Americans just need to learn humility and that they can't always be #1 in everything. What's the point in having a competition if you can't tolerate losing.
2. Huk. He cracks me up.
3. A no-name from the open bracket. It'd be nice to see someone come up and take down pros.
1. The Koreans. Americans just need to learn humility and that they can't always be #1 in everything. What's the point in having a competition if you can't tolerate losing.
What on earth are you talking about? Everyone knows that FOREIGNERS (Not just Americans, you obtuse bigot), in general, are worse than Koreans. Have you watched NASL, MLG Dallas, Dreamhack or pretty much any lan where Korean's have attended? Very few people can stand up to them (Nani, Huk, Sen, ect.)
1. RNG.SLush - Cause he's an IRL friend and cause he's a verry nice person. He's rarely BM and gives lots of tips. Btw watch his stream we just build him a new computer!!! Also he's probably one of the most deserving player out there and his style is unique!
2. SlayerS~Boxer - Well cause I want him to get back on CODE S and cause I want him to cry when he gets the cheer at the end!! I want to see the guy get infront of his fans and feel the glory once again! I also want him to succed cause he's 30ish years old and I'm 29 so I want to know that it's still possible! :D
3. EG.IdrA - If I had to put money on one foreigner it would be IdrA. I just hope he kicks some korean's arses!!! :D
To fail:
1. oGs.MC - I just don't like the guy... he just.... arhh gosh I hate him lol!!! Also he plays protoss and I'm having LOTS of trouble with em so..... ARHHHHHH FAIL FAIL FAIL!! PLEASE FAIL!!!
2. Sixjax.Major - Cause of the SEA thing... seems like a dick move to me!
1. oGs.MC - I just don't like the guy... he just.... arhh gosh I hate him lol!!! Also he plays protoss and I'm having LOTS of trouble with em so..... ARHHHHHH FAIL FAIL FAIL!! PLEASE FAIL!!!
1. The Koreans. Americans just need to learn humility and that they can't always be #1 in everything. What's the point in having a competition if you can't tolerate losing.
2. Huk. He cracks me up.
3. A no-name from the open bracket. It'd be nice to see someone come up and take down pros.
I completely agree with your list. My list
Succeed: 1. HuK 2. QXC 3. New Face (spanishiwa would be cool, i notice a lot of hate in the first few pages. He is so young, a kid having fun, some of the best players are the ones that have fun [in any sports, i'm a huge soccer fan]. )
Fail (not particularly keen on anything failing really...): 1. Idra. I want him to get far again and fail again. It just makes for a good story. 2. HDstarcraft... he wont make it far but he should stick to casting (and even that is questionable.. but i'm happy he is playing the game lots) 3. COD + Halo. I want sc2 to get bigger <-- jk jk probably doesn't help esports
1. RNG.SLush - Cause he's an IRL friend and cause he's a verry nice person. He's rarely BM and gives lots of tips. Btw watch his stream we just build him a new computer!!! Also he's probably one of the most deserving player out there and his style is unique!
2. SlayerS~Boxer - Well cause I want him to get back on CODE S and cause I want him to cry when he gets the cheer at the end!! I want to see the guy get infront of his fans and feel the glory once again! I also want him to succed cause he's 30ish years old and I'm 29 so I want to know that it's still possible! :D
3. EG.IdrA - If I had to put money on one foreigner it would be IdrA. I just hope he kicks some korean's arses!!! :D
To fail:
1. oGs.MC - I just don't like the guy... he just.... arhh gosh I hate him lol!!! Also he plays protoss and I'm having LOTS of trouble with em so..... ARHHHHHH FAIL FAIL FAIL!! PLEASE FAIL!!!
2. Sixjax.Major - Cause of the SEA thing... seems like a dick move to me!
3. No one else! :D
The only thing that fails here is your ability to read. MC isn't attending, for the bajillionth time.
Foreign players. QXC, Incontrol, etc Destiny and Catz. Entertaining streams and very good players. Only Zergs that I wouldn't mind winning. Megumixbear. Skilled player. Fun to watch and contributes to the community with tournaments.
Fail.
Koreans. Overated and tired of people kissing their feet. Zergs. Overpowered whiners.
this has to be a troll post. koreans overrated, but MEGUMIXBEAR AND INCONTROL? ya they're amazing.
To succeed: White-Ra: Its been long since White-Ra dominated the scene. Slush: He is sick good. inControl: I genuinely like him as a good mannered guy
To fail RPR_Tempest : He is the OP of this thread (I hope you go to MLG anaheim from Australia) . I really didnt like the way you described why spanishiwa should fail. Bear in mind that I have never watched his streams or him play, but from what I have heard he is good and can perform.
2. Sheth - because he's possibly the nicest person who ever lived
3. White-Ra - SPESHUL TAKTEKS
Do bad:
1. Koreans - I don't want them to play badly I just want them to lose, because if that happens it will show that the skill of the foreign community is rising
2. Major - I kinda wish he'd break both his wrists and never be able to play SC2 competitively on the pro scene again
3. Anyone from EG not named Idra - after listening to Alex talk down to Milkis the entire time on Weapon of Choice basically saying "tough shit the real world is unfair this is how the big boys play" over and over again, I'd just like to see EG go down in flames for a few tourneys.
They should called this thread : name 3 player you like and 3 player you hate this make non sense seriously read what you guys saying... : i want him de fail because i hate him? 90% of the posts are about opinion but player you like personaly or not... Fail thread imo...
Succeed: - BoxeR : idk who wouldn't want to see Lim Yo-Hwan win again. - IdrA : old school favorite of mine, the grack is back - White-Ra : so mannered, so handsome, so baller, such a hot wife. - vVv team : some close friends on, and affiliated with, this team. vVv fighting!
Fail: - Major : very bm - Spanishiwa : not that great - iNcontroL : overrated hype machine - The other Koreans : not that I'm hating on Koreans, but I want to see a North American winner at a North American event.
Pretty standard list imo. Maybe except iNcontroL, but I figure other ppl have the same opinion as me.
This would be better if you were to actually make predictions and not just base your list off of personal bias. I would have like to preferred to have seen the "Hopes to fail" list titled as "Who I think will fail" and then have some actual grounding to the claims that you were making as to why they could fail. There's nothing wrong with having personal favorites; I mean, everyone here wants someone to win. But to say that you want to see a player like Spanishiwa to fail just because of his fans makes this post seem a bit ignorant.
Succeed: Boxer--Entertaining strategies even when he loses. Would love to see him in the GSL again. Huk--Lots of hard work and recent results, a great piece of evidence for the efficacy of hard work. White-Ra--Innovative and haven't heard much about him recently, very entertaining.
Fail: Idra--Can't get over his game-losing ragequits, never been a fan. Major--Eww
Boxer - One of the few terrans I hope come far into the tournament, incredibly solid play, brings gameplay that goes beyond extreme macro and micro and brings forth other elements, like building placement, positioning, control etc. Small things it might seem but really just overall army control has been the lacking for terrans.
Idra - Incredibly solid player who has fallen not due to lacking gameplay but weak psyche, however he is the foreigners best hope in this tournament and one of the best players in the world currently.
Destiny - I hope he comes far, he wants to prove that he can and I respect that - I am saying far because he is not good enough, but his determination and improvement has earned a spot in my heart
TO FAIL
Spanishiwa - Incredible amounts of disgusting fanboys, and it hurts to put him here because I know Spanishiwa is an incredible mannered player and has in his stream fought to fight the fanboyism that will only hurt him in the end.
Huk - Wins two tournaments and all of a sudden hes praised to the heavens, hes gotten fanboys who think more about dreamhack then gsl etc.
Marineking - Was a fun addition to the sc2 esport scene, but he does not have what it takes to come top in the tournament.
Bonus
However whitera I do really hope wins and/or comes far, hes just overall solid and a great player.
On July 24 2011 16:41 Corvette wrote: Hopes to do well
Huk-I cannot even think of a reason to say why he should win or go far with out saying something obvious, I think MLG should be added to his list of accomplishments and I was bummed when I found out he wasnt going to be at columbus, Im so happy he is here now.
Why is MLG not in his list of accomplishments? I thought he won the first one.
Huk - Wins two tournaments and all of a sudden hes praised to the heavens, hes gotten fanboys who think more about dreamhack then gsl etc.
Marineking - Was a fun addition to the sc2 esport scene, but he does not have what it takes to come top in the tournament.
1: Huk was the ace for oGs vs Prime in the GSTL... I don't really like Huk but I don't think you know what you're talking about. He also beat the likes of Moon and July in DH so...
2: MKP isn't even in MLG and I don't know why you would call him a "fun addition" to the scene :/
On July 26 2011 00:27 userstupidname wrote: TO WIN
Idra - Incredibly solid player who has fallen not due to lacking gameplay but weak psyche, however he is the foreigners best hope in this tournament and one of the best players in the world currently.
TO FAIL
Spanishiwa - Incredible amounts of disgusting fanboys, and it hurts to put him here because I know Spanishiwa is an incredible mannered player and has in his stream fought to fight the fanboyism that will only hurt him in the end.
Marineking - Was a fun addition to the sc2 esport scene, but he does not have what it takes to come top in the tournament.
I don't get it, is Idra fanboys better than spanishiwa's? And how MK is a fun addition?
On July 26 2011 00:27 userstupidname wrote: ... TO FAIL ... Marineking - Was a fun addition to the sc2 esport scene, but he does not have what it takes to come top in the tournament. ...
top in tournament ? Do you know how many important finals he played. He really deserves a win, besides being very young and is at the start of his career.
Boxer - This really needs no explaining and basically everyone who has posted includes the Emperor in their top 3 to win.
Major - Partly because he's getting so much hate over the SEA tournament, mostly because I saw him play at Columbus (live) and he was a great player, didn't fuck around (incontrol tries to goad him into bming the first time they play and major just quietly comes out and beats him with solid play and no bm), and was really endearing in the interviews ("What do you have to say to your fans out there?" "Well I don't think I really have any fans"). Haters gon' hate.
MVP - I'd love to see him get some confidence back after his recent losses and return to almost-bonjwa status, but I really doubt that'll happen. Still, it'd be nice.
FAIL
Idra - Zerg is doing perfectly fine in tournaments, the indisputable best player in the world is Zerg, and many of the players Idra has talked shit about and to (Destiny, Huk, Nestea around GSL3 time, Zenio, etc) are posting some great results. Not to mention EG is just looking less and less attractive as a team/organization every day (although I still really like Machine and DeMuslim...haven't really seen enough of inka/LZ/axslav to have a strong opinion).
Incontrol - Not to come off like I just want EG to fail, but inc has been coasting in tournaments based on his 2010 (pre koreans/europeans) results and is such a hypocrite when it comes to manner. Acts like the biggest and nicest suckup in live events yet BMs like a madman on his stream against virtually everyone, not to mention is extremely unapologetic for any actions taken by EG. I used to like him before he left SotG but in the last 4-5 months I've really lost a lot of respect for him. (I don't want to get banned or I'd bring up the r-word too).
Out-of-Practice Pro Foreigners - Not to sound like a koreaboo, but if we want "foreigner" starcraft to be as competitive and high level as the Korean events and tourneys with Koreans, some of the sponsored players who don't put enough time into the game need to get their butts kicked by those who do. I don't have anyone in mind in particular, but if you look at the best games we've seen in foreign tourneys (opinions ahead), they've all had koreans. Losira v MMA on Shattered Temple, MC vs Puma (all 7 games), MC vs Losira (especially that hydra nydus on Tal'Darim), and Huk's games in HSC and Dreamhack. Huk is canadian, sure, but he hasn't left korea since he got there aside from going to win European tournaments. Long story short, if we want to see the same level of competition we get from Koreans (not 100% of the time, but at the top tier of players), the foreign scene needs to step their game up.
On July 26 2011 00:27 userstupidname wrote: ... TO FAIL ... Marineking - Was a fun addition to the sc2 esport scene, but he does not have what it takes to come top in the tournament. ...
top in tournament ? Do you know how many important finals he played. He really deserves a win, besides being very young and is at the start of his career.
Yeah, don't think he has what it takes now for this tournament, but later on sure, just because hes young and is at the start of his career does not warrant a win especially regarding competition
PS: I read the brackets and its stayed marineking - is that a smurf trolling me :3 ?
Regarding HUK - Yeah hes won a few big tournaments and is currently riding a wave, however I don't think he will win or come top 4.
Regarding idra - Yes I think spanish fanboys are worse then idra as even spanishiwa seems uncomfortable with the Spanishiwa > idra talk. Idra has results to back up his gameplay.
Also shoutout to incontrol and hope he does good :D
Idra - Hasn't been as impressive lately, but still one of the only foreigners who managed to not get steamrolled by the koreans last MLG, and I hope he can repeat that, or hopefully do even better. Huk - The GSL loss must've been a bit of a morale loss, but the Ace showing in GSTL was pretty impressive. I'd be fucking ecstatic if Huk, together with my 3rd "Succeed", can kick DRG out of the tournament already in pool play. Naniwa - An all-round baller, not to mention he's Swedish. Wouldn't mind seeing him take his second MLG win, although I don't think that'll happen. Maybe next MLG however.
Fail:
Koreans - Cause foreigners FIGHTING! MajOr - Karma Don't really have a third one :3
Idra: since he went back from korea he became way worse, even in attitude. He has been sprouting vile lies for months about "3 hours a day is enough for sc2, it's so easy blablabla", and yet he has no results to back up this obviously false statement, other than protoss/terran is imbalanced lol. Koreans practice their heart out every day, and they win, What DO YOU DO?
Incontrol : whomever still likes him is just delusional. After the last mlg he tweeted "we are gonna prepare hard, we are gonna practice for the next one asap, we will win". To this day, what have they done? What have they accomplished? (as the whole eg team) Their training house isn't even up yet!
Drewbie: his champ bracket spot is fit for someone more deserving than him.
Qxc -> Awesome player who fell our of favour a little while he was in Spain and not playing much
Jinro -> I'd love for Jinro to start pwning newbs again and I think he'll at least start placing higher again soon, MLG could be a good starting point for his comeback to power.
Idra -> I'm really not a fanboy, I kinda dislike the guy but I feel like I want to be able to cheer for him. Every time he's doing well in a tournament I'm thinking "is this going to be the time Idra gets somewhere and doesn't fuck it up and posts a good result?" and then he murders a series with someone he should be able to beat and puts be right back to disliking him again.
To Fail:
MMA -> I just feel like he's lost his edge a little, I'd be happy to be proven wrong...
FXO minus qxc -> They hyped me right up going to korea like that and with the exception of qxc (and sheth) I was disappointed with their play in general.
'Protoss' -> cause god I hate PvP and I don't really enjoy PvZ either.
1. Destiny- He has been practicing extremely hard lately! Even with the lag hes dealing with he is facing off against high level Master players on KR and winning with little to no problems most of the time.
2. Sheth- He is now team-less and a high placement in MLG will definitely have teams looking at him! Very nice guy and a skilled player.
3. KiwiKaki - I believe this is the first MLG he has been too as apart of RGN. He didnt do well in the last MLG, I am hoping this one is different.
To Do Poorly:
1. Incontrol - I used to like this guy, watched his stream every single time it was on. Then I realize, this guy is really more annoying than entertaining. The whole EG clan is just becoming more and more of a joke.
2. Idra - I like this guy, I love watching this guy! I just think that he gets paid to throw these games, and to create a buzz. And if I am wrong then EG needs to have a VERY serious talk about why Idra keeps throwing away wins.
3. Any Korean! I have nothing against them. This is more of a 'Why Koreans in a "NA"SL' type of thing that is carrying over to MLG. Wasn't it like Top 8 NASL, Nobody from NA left? Can we just rename it the WWSL (World Wide Star League)
On July 26 2011 02:09 maragin wrote: After reading this thread, I just want Spanishiwa to knock your favorite player out of the tournament.
I agree, I would have never though Spanishiwa would ever get this much criticism. Although I am oblivious to his fanboy base(I never read JTV chat, its fucking retarded filled with 14 year olds), Spanishiwa, from my experience, is one of THE MOST humble/mannered players in the game. He is soft spoken and genuine on stream and has a cute/unique style. I agree that he isn't amazing or topt tier yet but Im sure if you asked him he would readily admit the same. The hate really needs to stop its uncalled for... /rant
On July 25 2011 07:11 Shiori wrote: 1) DRG-- excellent player, deserves to win 2) HuK-- Canadian. 3) MMA- he's had some bad results lately. would like to see him do well 4) koreans in general so that foreigners with huge egos (e.g. destiny, idra) will stfu and realize how far from the top they are to fail:
1) idra- terrible attitude, absolutely clueless about balance. he's one of the top foreigners, but he just can't deliver lately and his whining just makes me hate him even more 2) destiny- he's okay, but nothing special. pretty much the definition of why infestors need to be revamped. but i don't mind that so much as the fact that he's one of the most annoying people to listen to talk on his stream + his fanboys are extremely bad and irritating. 3) incontrol- awful, overrated, and sucked totally at casting NASL. this guy needs to stop playing sc2. 4) Haypro- even worse than incontrol 5) Drewbie- garbage
Why isn't this guy banned? Completely ridicolous bashing...
HuK - because he is Canadian and will always be my favorite player IdrA - because he's my other favorite player and he hasn't won a big LAN in a while Sheth - because he's the nicest guy and it would be awesome to see him win a big LAN, manner up!
I don't really have any ill-will toward anyone so I don't really have three people I want to fail out but I will say that I want the Koreans not to take top 3 again. I'd be real happy if I saw most of them between 3rd-10th. Not because I hate Koreans, I actually love them, but I want to see the foreigners pick up their game and give the Koreans a run for their money.
Also I hope Tyler makes it through the open and I want Machine to do well too.
On July 26 2011 02:09 maragin wrote: After reading this thread, I just want Spanishiwa to knock your favorite player out of the tournament.
I agree, I would have never though Spanishiwa would ever get this much criticism. Although I am oblivious to his fanboy base(I never read JTV chat, its fucking retarded filled with 14 year olds), Spanishiwa, from my experience, is one of THE MOST humble/mannered players in the game. He is soft spoken and genuine on stream and has a cute/unique style. I agree that he isn't amazing or topt tier yet but Im sure if you asked him he would readily admit the same. The hate really needs to stop its uncalled for... /rant
You probably don't realize it, but you ARE a fanboy. Doesn't matter if you don't read his chat, you're watching his stream. Players will always have fanboys and anti-fanboys. Some people just won't like a player, they are entitled to their opinions. There's no point in saying "I don't get why these people don't like <insert player>"
On July 25 2011 07:11 Shiori wrote: 1) DRG-- excellent player, deserves to win 2) HuK-- Canadian. 3) MMA- he's had some bad results lately. would like to see him do well 4) koreans in general so that foreigners with huge egos (e.g. destiny, idra) will stfu and realize how far from the top they are to fail:
1) idra- terrible attitude, absolutely clueless about balance. he's one of the top foreigners, but he just can't deliver lately and his whining just makes me hate him even more 2) destiny- he's okay, but nothing special. pretty much the definition of why infestors need to be revamped. but i don't mind that so much as the fact that he's one of the most annoying people to listen to talk on his stream + his fanboys are extremely bad and irritating. 3) incontrol- awful, overrated, and sucked totally at casting NASL. this guy needs to stop playing sc2. 4) Haypro- even worse than incontrol 5) Drewbie- garbage
Why isn't this guy banned? Completely ridicolous bashing...
Why would he be banned? He is merely doing what everyone else in this thread has already done. This guy just happens to be more honest than the others.
I know Idra is a great player, but I just can't stand his attitude. I prefer Boxer/Sen type of "I'll win and smile." I know he will do well, but I don't really want him to win cuz that's just gonna make his swagger that much worse. His bm just gets annoying.
On July 26 2011 02:09 maragin wrote: After reading this thread, I just want Spanishiwa to knock your favorite player out of the tournament.
I agree, I would have never though Spanishiwa would ever get this much criticism. Although I am oblivious to his fanboy base(I never read JTV chat, its fucking retarded filled with 14 year olds), Spanishiwa, from my experience, is one of THE MOST humble/mannered players in the game. He is soft spoken and genuine on stream and has a cute/unique style. I agree that he isn't amazing or topt tier yet but Im sure if you asked him he would readily admit the same. The hate really needs to stop its uncalled for... /rant
You probably don't realize it, but you ARE a fanboy. Doesn't matter if you don't read his chat, you're watching his stream. Players will always have fanboys and anti-fanboys. Some people just won't like a player, they are entitled to their opinions. There's no point in saying "I don't get why these people don't like <insert player>"
What the hell are you talking about nerd? I've watched spanishiwa's stream probably for a total of about 5-6 hours in my life, I am not even close to a spanish fanboy. I am just stating the obvious from my experience with observing the player. What I'm getting at, is that most of this hate by these "anti-fanboys" is blindly guided, as someone who would spend even the smallest amount of time( like me) listening/watching him on stream would realize he's a pretty low key player...
Now if you called me an IdrA fanboy, I may have to agree there...
Naniwa, Huk and the FXO guys to do well. I really like it when hard work and dedication bear fruit. Also, showing the importance of good training has a good influence on the foreign scene as a whole.
Idra to do worse than expected, Incontrol to bomb out of the pools. Idra clearly doesn't like SC2 a whole lot, so I'm just waiting for that fundamental problem to catch up to him. He has also made some very unpleasant remarks about the importance of training in SC2, and I want those to be proven wrong. Incontrol, because I'd like his abandonment of high-level play in favor of side projects to bite him in the ass. I'd put Tyler here too, but he's in the open bracket already, and I don't expect him to make it out of there.
So in general, for the hard workers to triumph, and for the "community figures" to bite the dust.
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
On July 26 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote: so many shit community members
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Does it make you feel better if I told you that I wanted you guys to lose even before that whole debacle?
On July 26 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote: so many shit community members
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Does it make you feel better if I told you that I wanted you guys to lose even before that whole debacle?
On July 26 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote: so many shit community members
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Stop being so sensitive. You and EG have plenty of fans, there's no need or reason for you to want everyone to love you. Nobody's reasons as to why they like / dislike any of the players are completely rational anyway. People who aren't fans - even for arbitrary reasons - don't need to be called shit by you.
I want INcontrol to lose because he capitalizes his N. Ruins the direction of foreign E-sports and it's pretentious.
As far as winning goes i kind of want Koreans to dominate again. I like seeing the people that put in the most get the most rewards. Then again i wouldn't mind seeing a guy like White-Ra win it either
On July 26 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote: so many shit community members
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Dude, chill man. In any sport there's teams I like and teams I don't like. I cheer for the Eagles, and I hope that the Green Bay Packers don't do so well so the Eagles have an easier time in their division. Is that so bad? Besides, we're not slamming all of EG (although I fear some may start now). Anyone winning MLG is fine by me and I congratulate them for their work and achievement. But I can still hope that some ppl lose and some ppl win. Hopefully I'm not a "shitty community member".
On July 26 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote: so many shit community members
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Stop being so sensitive. You and EG have plenty of fans, there's no need or reason for you to want everyone to love you. Nobody's reasons as to why they like / dislike any of the players are completely rational anyway. People who aren't fans - even for arbitrary reasons - don't need to be called shit by you.
I do have to agree with incontrol, wishing other people ill is just stupid, it's ok to root for people, calling other people garbage or whatever is just not very nice and unnecessary
On July 26 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote: so many shit community members
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Stop being so sensitive. You and EG have plenty of fans, there's no need or reason for you to want everyone to love you. Nobody's reasons as to why they like / dislike any of the players are completely rational anyway. People who aren't fans - even for arbitrary reasons - don't need to be called shit by you.
I do have to agree with incontrol, wishing other people ill is just stupid, it's ok to root for people, calling other people garbage or whatever is just not very nice and unnecessary
Yah, insulting the other ppl isn't the best way to go about it, but if it's Boxer vs Idra, I'd hope Idra loses and Boxer wins. It's not like you can't hope for anyone to lose.
nah, I specifically said SOME of the community and ironically it upsets the idiots that spent this thread talking shit about eg/me/my friends. So yeah, after you hated on me I hated on you.. kinda sucks huh?
And yes I know we have a lot of support.. I recognized that. But there is a LOT of hate and no I won't just ignore it all the time. Most of you probably have no idea what it is like to have so many people ignorantly hating on you. Please stop acting like you know
On July 26 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote: so many shit community members
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Stop being so sensitive. You and EG have plenty of fans, there's no need or reason for you to want everyone to love you. Nobody's reasons as to why they like / dislike any of the players are completely rational anyway. People who aren't fans - even for arbitrary reasons - don't need to be called shit by you.
I do have to agree with incontrol, wishing other people ill is just stupid, it's ok to root for people, calling other people garbage or whatever is just not very nice and unnecessary
Yah, insulting the other ppl isn't the best way to go about it, but if it's Boxer vs Idra, I'd hope Idra loses and Boxer wins. It's not like you can't hope for anyone to lose.
Yeah but you can just say I hope boxer wins and then it's pretty much implied that Idra has to lose for that, but you don't need to say I HOPE IDRA LOSE, it's just being a douche
oh and I've been a douche quite often if anybody wanted to point it out, I'm working on it
Succeed: 1. Tyler 2. Reign (team) 3. Destiny 4. EG (team) 5. Just about anyone from one of the more unknown teams that may be going in the open bracket like vVv, VP, or any other team I don't know about 6. Select
Fail: 1. I don't understand why people think others should fail because of their mannerisms or how they act in game. I think having people like majOr, MC and Idra make the game more interesting overall. MC vs. Idra is the most entertaining rivalry for me because of the confidence they bring to the table (most of the time).
On July 26 2011 05:48 ReignFayth wrote: oh and I've been a douche quite often if anybody wanted to point it out, I'm working on it
Actually, keep being a douche. It will make your games more interesting in my opinion if they get broadcasted :D
i dont like the idea of this thread at all. Normally teamliquid is very careful to ban/ warn hateful comments but this thread is like an invitation to flame that one famous player you always disliked. Even harmless people who are of peaceful nature could be like: "This thread asks me to name a player I want to fail.....Well now that i think of it XY is just bullshit".
Even though many are respectful in their comments or even leave out the "hopes to fail" there are too much hateful and provoking comments in here, at least in my opinion. I think it should be renamed into something like: "Which three players will you cheer for at anaheim?". It would be less interesting but more human.
Anyways... if i say that i want someone to win, it would be the same that if i said "i hope everyone loses except for the one i want to"...
What I DO expect from this MLG is insane skill from MC - Idra (please no early gg's, is all i ask) - HuK - Boxer! (i mean, why not!), I'm quite sure I'll stay up to late hours analizing every game due to their epicness.
Being a fanboy isn't THAT bad, but being a mindless fanatic is bad... same goes for religion, for example, a lot of people tend to see muslims like fanatic terrorist, let's compare between FANATICISM and being a "fanboy" (I dont want to call them fanboys AT ALL, it's not my intention either, but i cant find a word to describe it as an analogy, im sorry about my way of speaking, english is not my native language, I use the word "fanboy" as someone who follows his ideals) for their religion. Don't get too worried iNcontroL, there are a lot of people who support you, and some that don't give a * about you, it's just life, you can't be everybody's friend, just don't worry and keep up the good work, you're doing it fine.
PS: Please keep in mind my english isn't perfect, I'm sorry if you find it hard to read my post, again, I couldn't find a word to put in the analogy and I don't want anybody to get angry about it...
On July 26 2011 05:47 iNcontroL wrote: my favorite is the "you SHIT on the community!"
nah, I specifically said SOME of the community and ironically it upsets the idiots that spent this thread talking shit about eg/me/my friends. So yeah, after you hated on me I hated on you.. kinda sucks huh?
And yes I know we have a lot of support.. I recognized that. But there is a LOT of hate and no I won't just ignore it all the time. Most of you probably have no idea what it is like to have so many people ignorantly hating on you. Please stop acting like you know
Just ignore it, here's from someone who hopes you lose lol. It's just internet nonsense, getting any type of emotional pain over it is ridiculous.
1. EG.iNcontroL - iNcontroL is one of my favorite people in the StarCraft community and I always hope for him to do well. This MLG, however, I hope so even more so than usual. With the NASL just ending, and him backing out of many of his community projects in order to focus more on being a player, I am really excited to see what he can do! People forget that he was among the best of the best foreigner Brood War players, and I don't think his full potential has been exhibited thus far in SC2.
2. Liquid`TLO - As one of the funniest, and most entertaining guys in SC2, how can you not root for him?!?! With his recent injury affecting his play, I really hope he can overcome it and show us some amazingly fun games that he is famous for =)
3. EG.Machine - Being a Zerg player myself, Machine has been one of my favorite players since the beginning of the beta. He's not real flashy or exciting but he has the ability to be a really solid player, and when he is at the peak of his game he is tough to beat. He had a strong MLG performance in Dallas 2010 I believe, taking 4th place or something like that, but it has been a while since he has posted any other notable results. Hopefully he has finally pulled everything together and is able to have a strong performance this MLG!
Honorable Mention: Sheth!!! - If Sheth wasn't so damn good I would've put him in my top 3, but I decided to go with players that were more of the underdog type. Nevertheless, I want Sheth to do awesome and to make himself an ever more valuable asset on the free agency market! Sheth is probably the nicest person in SC2 and also one of the strongest players, so I want him to have a strong performance and show off for his potential future teams.
Hopes to fail
1. sixjaxMajor - If there is any one player I am rooting against, I'd have to say it is Major. I've never liked him personally and the recent tournament smurfing incident only added to that. He's a good player but I won't root for him unless he really turns his act around.
2. Korean players - I like watching Koreans play, but even more then that I like watching foreign players beat Koreans. I guess it is just a pride thing, but I am sick of seeing Koreans dominate in foreign tournaments!
3. SlayerSMMA - Nothing personal against MMA, I actually like him quite a bit. The reason I am putting him on here is basically the same as my previous reason, except this is the guy who won last time. I don't want to see Koreans winning two MLGs in a row, but even more then that I don't want to see the same Korean taking two MLGs in a row.
Edit: Just noticed iNcontroL's post in this thread... makes me sad =(. I'm glad I put him as my #1 hope to win now though! Gogo iNcontroL!
I agree with most of the players you put there except maybe for SLush, but I understand, here are my 3 to win and 3 to lose:
Win
White-Ra: In his stream and almost everywhere he plays, he shows amazing games but the results make people believe that White-Ra isn't the awesome player he is, + Show Spoiler [White-Ra vs Sen Showmatch] +
Many people said that Sen would take it 4-0 or 4-1, still Sen won but 4-3, even though it means they don't believe in White-Ra
If White-Ra wins this or takes a Top 3 spot he will gain more respect that he deserves.
Jinro: Jinro, the 2 time Ro4 player in the GSL, MLG Dallas 2010 Winner, the gorilla terran, he was once consider the best non-korean player in the world, but suddenly he fell down really hard, getting knocked out of Code S making it only to the Ro16 in Code A, right now Jinro needs to prove something, he needs to win this and make it back to Code S.
MVP: He needs no introduction, he is the World Champion in Starcraft 2, 2 GSL titles, having one of the Top 3 TvT in all the world (IMO), but right now he is in a similar situation like Jinro, fell down lost very early in the GSL, even Tastosis agrees he did fall down, if MVP wins MLG be ready because we will witness MVP shred the GSL with all the psychological impulse he would get by winning MLG.
Lose
Spanishiwa: Pretty much the same reason as you said.
Major: Again not much against him, but with the recent incident if he makes it far it will be in a way frustrating.
No one specially: Sorry, no other one I can think of.
On July 26 2011 05:47 iNcontroL wrote: my favorite is the "you SHIT on the community!"
nah, I specifically said SOME of the community and ironically it upsets the idiots that spent this thread talking shit about eg/me/my friends. So yeah, after you hated on me I hated on you.. kinda sucks huh?
And yes I know we have a lot of support.. I recognized that. But there is a LOT of hate and no I won't just ignore it all the time. Most of you probably have no idea what it is like to have so many people ignorantly hating on you. Please stop acting like you know
I like how you mention Spanishiwa being overhyped, but then list Destiny as your favorite.
3 to succeed WhiteRa - speshial taktics Jinro - want to see him get some confidence back after his downtrend at GSL Sheth - manner zerg!
On July 26 2011 06:56 EdSlyB wrote: Well. Let me see if I get this right: You want Spanishiwa to fail because of the comments in Husky's YouTube channel??
One pro tip just for you: DON'T read YouTube comments. They are hazardous to your health. Go see a doctor because you might be already affected.
And it's pretty BM to wish to someone to fail. What happened to "Let the best player win"? Whoever they are, if they play better they win. Simple.
On July 26 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote: so many shit community members
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Dude, chill man. In any sport there's teams I like and teams I don't like. I cheer for the Eagles, and I hope that the Green Bay Packers don't do so well so the Eagles have an easier time in their division. Is that so bad? Besides, we're not slamming all of EG (although I fear some may start now). Anyone winning MLG is fine by me and I congratulate them for their work and achievement. But I can still hope that some ppl lose and some ppl win. Hopefully I'm not a "shitty community member".
I agree with this sentiment, people should have a right to their own opinion and to be able to discuss it appropriately; as this is a discussion forum. They shouldn't be automatically deemed a "shit community member" simply for not aligning to Team EG, or even disliking them for whatever reason. Hoping for someone to lose does not quite warrant that title, everybody does it, especially when there are people in the competition they hope to win, somebody has to lose.
Do you know what I find weird? So many peoples reasons for the fail list include that they 'haven't had great results'. So people are basically saying 'Maaan, I hope this guy continues to fail. It would suck if he started doing well.'
On July 26 2011 05:47 iNcontroL wrote: my favorite is the "you SHIT on the community!"
nah, I specifically said SOME of the community and ironically it upsets the idiots that spent this thread talking shit about eg/me/my friends. So yeah, after you hated on me I hated on you.. kinda sucks huh?
And yes I know we have a lot of support.. I recognized that. But there is a LOT of hate and no I won't just ignore it all the time. Most of you probably have no idea what it is like to have so many people ignorantly hating on you. Please stop acting like you know
Calling people idiots won't gain you more fans...
Yea...don't know why you should bother with trolls anyways. Insulting them won't get you anywhere.
Man, it would be awesome if Huk took this tournament. I think that would cement the fact that he is one of, if not the best, foreigner right now on the scene. It'll probably garner him even more respect back in Korea.
Haha I like how incontrol is trying to make us feel guilty because not everyone likes him. I'm pretty sure 100% of people don't all like someone like WhiteRa or Boxer, theres a high percent but not 100%. You just got to cope that not everyone is gonna love or even like you, if you have over 50% of people who like you I'd say you're doing a decent enough of a job. Coming in here and saying you want your non fans to fail just makes them hate you more.
how is it people misunderstand shit so thoroughly?
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Some people think you are jerks and people want jerks to fail, posts like that one are a good example. Oh no some people said they don't like me and my team so it means they are shit people.
So many shit community members who think they deserve mindless approval =(
In the real world people root for the teams or players they like to win and the ones they don't to lose, whether it's football or StarCraft 2 or curling.
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
lol this sounds like a rationalization written to make what you originally said look better, you didn't single anyone out who called you names, you just said "shit community members" who "wish people ill" and "want all EG members to lose," nothing about people calling you names.
On July 26 2011 11:06 iNcontroL wrote: how is it people misunderstand shit so thoroughly?
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
On July 25 2011 14:35 borscht wrote: I'm gonna do more than 3, because I know pretty much no one will really read this post anyway.
To do well:
Alicia. He's gonna smash the open bracket and I can see him doing well in pool play. I feel like he's strong enough to win the tournament, so I'm surprised to see him get very little attention in this thread so far.
Destiny. I just want to see him make it out of the open bracket. I don't care if he gets seeded into pool play, as long as he at least makes it to the championship loser's bracket I'll be happy.
Major. Everyone hates him, but he still plays really well, so I'll be rooting for him.
Qxc. I wanna see his training in korea pay off, he was in great shape against IM and I hope he uses some of that momentum to to do well at Anaheim.
Megumixbear. Would like to see a girl do well in SC2.
To Fail: Everyone from EG. Incontrol is a tool, IdrA is a negative nancy, and everyone else on the team is mediocre.
Everyone from CoL. Another bunch of really mediocre players.
Everyone from Liquid. They're good, but way overrated. The only member from the team who even remotely lives up to the hype around him is HuK, but that wasn't even until he won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup.
Boxer. This guy is so far past his glory days it's not even funny. He's the SC2 equivalent of a modern day backstreet boy. Get over him already.
This post is.......lol.
I can't believe someone's posting on TL while hoping everyone from teamliquid fail.
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Some people think you are jerks and people want jerks to fail, posts like that one are a good example. Oh no some people said they don't like me and my team so it means they are shit people.
So many shit community members who think they deserve mindless approval =(
In the real world people root for the teams or players they like to win and the ones they don't to lose, whether it's football or StarCraft 2 or curling.
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
lol this sounds like a rationalization written to make what you originally said look better, you didn't single anyone out who called you names, you just said "shit community members" who "wish people ill" and "want all EG members to lose," nothing about people calling you names.
yeah prob me trying to cover up some huge conspiracy ! ! lol
read what you want bro. People taking shit to far when rooting against someone or listing dumb reasons to not want someone to win.. this thread is full of venom when it doesn't need to. Not going to keep posting in here everytime someone wants to try and make it sound worse than it is.
I haven't done one of these lists, but I figure I'll say my piece.
On July 26 2011 11:06 iNcontroL wrote: how is it people misunderstand shit so thoroughly?
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
Why do I post in here
I considered myself an Incontrol fan for a long time. I met you at MLG Dallas (the first one) and you were really nice. I also have no problem with anyone else from EG. Lz, Machine, and Idra were all awesome and I still cheer for them. My issue with you is two fold. First was just occasional comments from you that rubbed me the wrong way. I brushed those off though. I still thought you did a lot for the community and that should be commended. What pushed me over though was this recent comment: " 'I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit," adds Incontrol. "I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well.' " (Source)
This comment bothered me a lot. Assuming TB actually did just do all this for profit and had no vested interest in the community, I still wouldn't mind him. That's something that every sport or competitive scene has. Even if his intentions were selfish he would still be putting forth time and effort to add something to the community. Growing the community for the wrong reasons is still fine by me. However, I don't really think that is the case with TB. He's hosted tournaments with the money he made off his stream. He does a fair bit of stuff for the fun of it, not expecting any large gain from it. He took the time to record that silly "Fear of the Grack" song*. He seems to actually care about the community and I was really disappointed by your comment.
My disappointment didn't stem from my feelings towards TB, nor my feelings towards you, but rather from the elitist nature of what you said. It bothered me that you'd indite someone for coming from another scene into this one because they were impressed by it. That's the sort of thing that should be encouraged. If someone sees SC2 and says "that's awesome, lets see what I can add to that community" they should be praised, not bemoaned.
So, in short, I don't wish you harm. I don't hate you. I just won't be cheering for you anymore. Its a shame because at one point I could always be found in your corner.
On July 26 2011 11:06 iNcontroL wrote: how is it people misunderstand shit so thoroughly?
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
On July 25 2011 14:35 borscht wrote: I'M gonna do more than 3, because I know pretty much no ONE will Really read this post anyway.
To do well:
Alicia. He's gonna smash the open bracket and I can see him doing well in pool play. I feel like he's strong enough to win the tournament, so I'M surprised to see him get very little attention in this thread so far.
Destiny. I just WanT to see him make it out of the open bracket. I don't care if he gets seeded Into pool play, as long as he at least makes it to the championship loser's bracket I'll be Happy.
Major. Everyone hates him, but he still plays Really well, so I'll be rooting for him.
Qxc. I wanna see his training in korea pay off, he was in great shape against IM and I hope he uses some of that momentum to to do well at Anaheim.
Megumixbear. Would like to see a girl do well in SC2.
To Fail: Everyone from EG. iNcontroL iS a tool, IdrA iS a negative nancy, and everyone else on the team iS mediocre.
Everyone from CoL. Another bunch of Really mediocre players.
Everyone from Liquid. They're good, but Way overrated. The Only member from the team WhO even remotely lives up to the hype around him iS HuK, but that wasn't even until he won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup.
Boxer. This guy iS so far past his glory days it's not even funny. He's the SC2 equivalent of a Modern day backstreet bOy. Get over him already.
This post iS.......lol.
I can't believe someone's posting on TL while hoping everyone from teamliquid fail.
His post iS "lol" but not because he iS posting on TL while hoping everyone on teamliquid will fail.... There iS no irony here. He just thinks TL are over-rated. Don't TurN this isn't a "TL owns the scene because its where the scene meet." bullshit.
People I WanT to succeed:
Destiny: The man iS pretty straight forward in his approach with dealing with people, and that has caught him a lot of flak. His fans are possibly the worst fans (with possibly the exception of IdrAs) in the scene. He has also had more viewers than he "should had" if it were Only based on skill level, and that makes him the Black sheep of this family as far as I am concerned. However, over the last ~3-4 weeks this guy has improved REMARKABLY. His Infestor ling hit squads have been spreading players wider than Zergs have done in the past. I hope him results from it!
Sheth: The manner zerg. I feel he has also taken a bit too much slack recently for (their words) "Not being dedicated enough" Which I feel iS so unfair. He didn't like the house set up in Korea, he found that out, and he didn't WanT to go down that path. Lets see him wreck face without a team
qxc: He Lost my Heart when he went to Spain/went through a lul, then joined FXO... But god damn did he get it back after his efforts in the GSTL. I don't need to say more
People I WanT to fail:
Major: The BM has worn me down with this kid. He iS Only Young, but shows much less maturity than most people had when they were 17. Getting sprung smurfing iS simply Bad PR, and the last of respect he seems to show everyone just Really annoys me. He will do amazing. He will Really Shine... But I'M not looking forward to it.
MC: I Love the play, but the ceremonies are CHeeSY and lame to me. Plus, he has won enough. I Love to watch David smash Goliath Into the ground.
MMA: Generally, I'M against Koreans just coming by and winning all NA-tourneys Money. It doesn't make me popular around here, but I can deal with that. Much like MC, I just WanT to see some home-grown talent Really take it to these players.
As you can see, I'M probably going to be disapointed based on the people I WanT to fail, however at the End of the day, I WanT great games. The last MLG blew my pants off.... Really... I Sat around all Weekend in my undies, under my blanket. Based on the improvement last time, I could be naked this time around... Make it happen, MLG.
EDIT: Oh shit... The TLDB thingy made all my words do weird shit.. Sorry.
I'd love to see the following people win (or do well) in this order :
EG.IdrA : He's such a boss. People complain about his BM, but who doesn't rage after losing? I certainly ragequit very often. Well, it's not really a ragequit, I just don't say "gg" if I think it wasn't a good game, and if I think that my opponent played poorly. But when someone pulls off an incredible micro trick right in front of me or just outmacroes me when I feel like I'm playing well, then I type (in full letters) "good game, well played man" or something like that and then I leave. Anyway, back to IdrA, when it comes down to pure skill, nobody can argue with the fact that he's a top player. He ended up being the best non-Korean player at the last MLG, I hope he ends up being the best player overall.
WhiteRa : He's an extremely good protoss, one of the only who are good in my opinion. There are many that achieve something such as beating IdrA (e.g. Cruncher), but are just way behind him in terms of skill. While you can beat someone once, it doesn't mean you're better by any means. IdrA losing to MC is another example of that. I think that IdrA lost his focus and his self control due to his emotions, and didn't show his skill to its full extent, which he did in the series he won. Even Combat-EX admitted that IdrA's better than him, even though he's already beaten IdrA. Combat-EX being notoriously known as a bm player (doesn't make him a bad player, though), he still acknowledged that. Anyway, back to WhiteRa, he's just very good and hasn't really had a lot of achievements I think, and he really has a chance.
- KiWiKaKi : He's an extremely good protoss player too, and I sincerely hope he does well, because it's been a looong time since he hasn't had any result that was close to his true skill. I don't really know what's been going on, but I hope it's ended and I hope he can show how good he is. I've been a fan of him for a while, now.
- Bonus : SlayerS_Boxer : He's a legend, but he just doesn't perform very well. He already played some games that show how good he can be, but the quality of his play seems kinda random. He can play one very good game with incredible micro/macro/..., and another one that looks like a standard master player game. I hope he does well because he's really famous and Day9 loves him :D
- Bonus 2 : LiquidJinro : I'm a huge fan since he pwned Socke in the MLG he won. Twice. He demonstrated great talent, and is one of the only terran using mech in TvP (which is strange because mech in TvP is very strong.... just like in every other match up, because mech is just as viable as bio, maybe with a touch of ghosts in the army comp).
The players I want to perform awfully (in this order) :
aTn.Socke : He's a very cocky player and I don't think that he deserves his fanbase. He said at MLG that after seeing that IdrA lost he was very happy because then he would won, because other player were bad as f.ck (he didn't say this last part but that's what he meant), which is incredibly rude, especially because he got mold twice by Jinro right after that. Now I just hate him
EG.IncontroL : I don't like that guy. He's not a top player imo. He's good, but players like WhiteRa and KiWiKaKi are just at an another level. He gets a lot of fans for some reason, which I ignore. He's neither a top player nor a good caster. I don't hate him, but his skill level shouldn't allow him to score well.
HDStarcraft : zomg he's an awful caster and an awful player. He's just not a pro at all. What is he even doing here ? He got rolled over once already at MLG, why does he want to take a beating a second time ?
On July 26 2011 11:06 iNcontroL wrote: how is it people misunderstand shit so thoroughly?
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
Why do I post in here
Because you lack discipline/self control and your pride gets the better of you.
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Some people think you are jerks and people want jerks to fail, posts like that one are a good example. Oh no some people said they don't like me and my team so it means they are shit people.
So many shit community members who think they deserve mindless approval =(
In the real world people root for the teams or players they like to win and the ones they don't to lose, whether it's football or StarCraft 2 or curling.
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
lol this sounds like a rationalization written to make what you originally said look better, you didn't single anyone out who called you names, you just said "shit community members" who "wish people ill" and "want all EG members to lose," nothing about people calling you names.
yeah prob me trying to cover up some huge conspiracy ! ! lol
read what you want bro. People taking shit to far when rooting against someone or listing dumb reasons to not want someone to win.. this thread is full of venom when it doesn't need to. Not going to keep posting in here everytime someone wants to try and make it sound worse than it is.
Lots of people have shit reasons for rooting against people; it doesn't make them shit community members if it isn't particularly hostile or aggressive. Plenty of people hate the Clippers for no other reason than the fact that Donald Sterling's a gigantic ass, regardless of how nice / awesome Blake Griffin is. Who cares? Deal with the people who like you. You don't have time for the others. Unless you're getting Slayers_Eve level vitriol, in which case you should go Jessica on their asses.
I usually like incontrol, but I won't be rooting for him due to his "TL players talk more shit as they get worse" with regards to TLO's RSI and thread on EG.
On July 26 2011 11:06 iNcontroL wrote: how is it people misunderstand shit so thoroughly?
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
Why do I post in here
I honestly don't know why you do. Why would you give the hater trolls your time of day? It will just encourage them. I think every player has their haters, though I am confused why TL has not yet cracked down harder on this wave of irrational hate that seems to be consuming the community of late.
Man, the SC2 has to be the most polarized gaming community I've ever been a part of. I absolutely LOVE how dedicated so many people are to making SC2 what a fantastic game it is, and on the other hand I absolutely cant stand how sensitive some people are and the sense of entitlement of others. Please stop trying to make a name by fucking with iNcontroL, and please stop being so excruciatingly analytical about the things that are incredibly insignificant.
tl;dr Let's try to enjoy what a fantastic game we have here, and lets help it grow
hopes to win: machine, the dude is way underrated and gets boned very often by bad luck. IdrA, needs a big win plus i always root for him QXC, he almost always has a disappointing showing in tournies. hopes to fail: destiny, so overrated it hurts my brain, i would love to see his mindless fanboys get dissapointed again. Koreans, dont steal our money yo
Destiny - Don't like the BM but I love the play. I also thought people under rated Destiny but after this thread everyone seems to think only they can see his true potential.
qxc - After GSTL it would be really really nice to see an FXO player come out and show us that they are competing at the forefront.
Sheth - What a guy. Just what a guy.
People I'd like to see crash and burn:
Major - It seems like every 2 months we see Major do something really dumb. Sixjax tells us they've talked to him and he won't do anything like that again ever again. He's a kid who needs to learn some manners. After he showed so much disrespect to the entire SEA community and his behaviour was condoned by so many people on this forum (because they have no respect for SEA) I'd like to see him get what's coming to him.
On July 26 2011 13:32 UltraSound wrote: People I'd like to see do well:
Destiny - Don't like the BM but I love the play. I also thought people under rated Destiny but after this thread everyone seems to think only they can see his true potential.
qxc - After GSTL it would be really really nice to see an FXO player come out and show us that they are competing at the forefront.
Sheth - What a guy. Just what a guy.
People I'd like to see crash and burn:
Major - It seems like every 2 months we see Major do something really dumb. Sixjax tells us they've talked to him and he won't do anything like that again ever again. He's a kid who needs to learn some manners. After he showed so much disrespect to the entire SEA community and his behaviour was condoned by so many people on this forum (because they have no respect for SEA) I'd like to see him get what's coming to him.
Just to add some bad stuff for Major.
I was talking to my Ex SC1 "Nation Team" Leader about the sixjax.Major thingy, he told me that Major called him once to play for our country.
about the sixjax.Major little issue
"Así es, cuando fui capitán de la Selección de Starcraft, me hinchaba las pelotas para que lo dejará jugar por Chile, siendo que ya jugaba por USA B" - Dion <Ex Nation Team Leader>. Traduction: -When I used to be the National Team Captain, he used to spam me a lot so he could play for Chile, keep in mind he was already playing for USA B Team.
Huk ! - How can you not admire a guy with a korean work ethic like his. So much respect doing something very very few foreigners can do. And now it's starting to drop it fruits.
Naniwa ! - This guy only cares about being number 1, not money not being populair just wanting to be the best of all and win tournaments. Have you not seen his face when he becomes second ? i mean wow it's actualy hurting him haha. This is why i wish he do well, he has a winners heart. Do well at MLG and learn in Korea and your going to the top !
MVP ! - i can't forget his games vs MKP where he just took at time the best terran in the world apart and destroyed him. Somehow i hope this dashing smiling baller get's his form back and shows us some amazing games
I will say players i will not look for, but saying i am hoping to fail is to much. No pro gamer deserves that in my book. And anyway failing players would make a boring tournament of MLG
The ones i do not look for
Incontrol ! - Manner on live events and a total troll and rude person on steam/interview/forums.
Major ! - Always something with him either drama or bm, and not long ago trying to cheat a SEA event.
Machine ! - Don't get me wrong i like you, your manner fun and a nice guy. But you lack any results in fact and this is personal i have never seen you win anything in starcraft 2, also your mlg matches were not of a high level, so i believe your slot should go to some one better.
About specific names... To Win: I hope QXC can show everyone what a baller he was before the latino women drained his powers. Sheth (if he attends, don't follow that much) should show what he learned in his short time in korea and that he is still the best foreigner Zerg (imho better than IdrA). WhiteRa should show that he can play a solid game as well as pull out some special tactics and still be the best foreign protoss. He can also show people like me that age doesn't matter.
To Fail: Can't think of any specific names.
I don't want a western tournament where the Koreans take almost all top10 spots. Sadly koreans are a lot stronger than foreigners atm.
Succeed: Idra. By far the most intelligent and impressive player I've seen. Fell in love with his play style in the beta and haven't looked back since. I feel like he's only continued to improve and I hope he wins.
Fail: Destiny I don't understand this Destiny obsession... his mechanics are no where near where they should be for this level of play and he has only one build that's proven to be effective. I just don't see Destiny putting up any kind of fight if that single unit[infestor] was removed from his play style.
Demuslim - uk brethren, want himt o do well, in the open bracket though and only four can get through, depends on the draw..., Nani He plays to win and be nothing fitting then winning a MLG before moving to Korea!!! White-ra, just something about White-ra that I really want to do well, think it has to do is hes only just older then me and representing!!!! Living the dream still!!! HuK, our best chance by far at winning this tournament, playing so well atm...
Fail
Koreans (I really want a european or american to win, and prove we can defeat the koreans cant see it happening but I hope!!)
To win: Whitera- Pure entertainment. If he won the interviews could be just as entertaining if not more entertaining than the games.
Megumixbear- with the whole slayers eve BS that went down i would love to see not only a female, but a female foreigner win. Voting for the underdog has been my thing forever and u don't get more under than being the only female(to my knowledge) competing at a huge tournament like MLG.
Incontrol- Deserves some results. Being a bigger guy myself i'd love to see him win one for us bigger, buffer gamers.
3 to fail( i don't want anyone to fail really. I want everyone to put up a good fight and show good games) HDstarcraft Painuser I think these two also fall under that "underdog" category where i would be happy if they did well, but i do not want them to. With them both doing the IGN thing they cannot have much time to put into practicing. It's more i don't think they deserve it than me wanting them to flat out fail.
SixjaxMajor- The SEA thing of course coupled with him reminding me of all the trolls who piss me off online makes me wish for him to fall flat on his face as early as possible in this tournament.
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Some people think you are jerks and people want jerks to fail, posts like that one are a good example. Oh no some people said they don't like me and my team so it means they are shit people.
So many shit community members who think they deserve mindless approval =(
In the real world people root for the teams or players they like to win and the ones they don't to lose, whether it's football or StarCraft 2 or curling.
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
lol this sounds like a rationalization written to make what you originally said look better, you didn't single anyone out who called you names, you just said "shit community members" who "wish people ill" and "want all EG members to lose," nothing about people calling you names.
yeah prob me trying to cover up some huge conspiracy ! ! lol
read what you want bro. People taking shit to far when rooting against someone or listing dumb reasons to not want someone to win.. this thread is full of venom when it doesn't need to. Not going to keep posting in here everytime someone wants to try and make it sound worse than it is.
I can think of several valid reasons why people would "hate" you. Anyone recall the incident where you banned someone on TL revolving around you asking for a GSL restream? You only apologized after the ensuing shitstorm happened on TL. Another incident is when people were criticizing NASL, and you were just lashing out at all the critics on these forums while NASL was still in its infancy. Now I don't personally hate you or wish that you won't do well at MLG, but I'm just bringing up recent events that I remember that have made me less of a fan of you.
Why can't we root for people? Why do we have to wish people ill? Especially with so many shit reasons... Alex argues on WoC so you guys want all EG members to lose? wtf? How does that make sense?
Some people think you are jerks and people want jerks to fail, posts like that one are a good example. Oh no some people said they don't like me and my team so it means they are shit people.
So many shit community members who think they deserve mindless approval =(
In the real world people root for the teams or players they like to win and the ones they don't to lose, whether it's football or StarCraft 2 or curling.
I get called a bunch of names so I refer to those people as "shit community members' and someone is like "hey just cause someone isn't rooting for you doesn't mean they are shit!" NO KIDDING I wasn't speaking to everyone who isn't rooting for me.. I am speaking to the people that take it a step further and go personal with it.. wtf. Obviously I don't demand 100% support come on?
lol this sounds like a rationalization written to make what you originally said look better, you didn't single anyone out who called you names, you just said "shit community members" who "wish people ill" and "want all EG members to lose," nothing about people calling you names.
yeah prob me trying to cover up some huge conspiracy ! ! lol
read what you want bro. People taking shit to far when rooting against someone or listing dumb reasons to not want someone to win.. this thread is full of venom when it doesn't need to. Not going to keep posting in here everytime someone wants to try and make it sound worse than it is.
Why did you even post in this thread to begin with then? For someone who considers themselves to be an intelligent person, you sure do make some stupid decisions. Going into a thread that was obviously made to allow people to cheer/jeer their favorite/least favorite players and complaining about what they said about you is just asking for trouble. Then following up the complaints with calling people "shit community members" isn't really going to rake in much sympathy. If I remember correctly, you did the same thing with reddit and they also called you out for it. Oh and need I remind you that you also made loads of whiny posts after that as well. You basically just need to stop digging your hole deeper otherwise the walls of filth you dug up will eventually collapse in on you.
On July 26 2011 21:32 Dubzex wrote: Why did you even post in this thread to begin with then? For someone who considers themselves to be an intelligent person, you sure do make some stupid decisions. Going into a thread that was obviously made to allow people to cheer/jeer their favorite/least favorite players and complaining about what they said about you is just asking for trouble. Then following up the complaints with calling people "shit community members" isn't really going to rake in much sympathy. If I remember correctly, you did the same thing with reddit and they also called you out for it. Oh and need I remind you that you also made loads of whiny posts after that as well. You basically just need to stop digging your hole deeper otherwise the walls of filth you dug up will eventually collapse in on you.
"Walls of filth"? Melodramatic much?
One of the cool things about Esports is how accessible the pros are to the community, but they dont seem to post in the forums that much anymore. Why do you think that is?
Incontrol (actually most of EG, they are all great players who deserve a good win) Huk (Ditto my sentiments about EG on Liquid. They seem to have been in a slump lately, with the exception of Huk. It'd be great to see a major comeback at MLG.) Tyler (Stil my favorite protoss of all time. The thinking man's toss.)
To lose:
Nobody. Why would I actively wish failure on somebody?
I really hate that kind of thread, you can say the people you want to win but not those you want to see lose. It is just terribly bad mannered, you don't wish somebody to lose like that.
On July 26 2011 21:32 Dubzex wrote: Why did you even post in this thread to begin with then? For someone who considers themselves to be an intelligent person, you sure do make some stupid decisions. Going into a thread that was obviously made to allow people to cheer/jeer their favorite/least favorite players and complaining about what they said about you is just asking for trouble. Then following up the complaints with calling people "shit community members" isn't really going to rake in much sympathy. If I remember correctly, you did the same thing with reddit and they also called you out for it. Oh and need I remind you that you also made loads of whiny posts after that as well. You basically just need to stop digging your hole deeper otherwise the walls of filth you dug up will eventually collapse in on you.
"Walls of filth"? Melodramatic much?
One of the cool things about Esports is how accessible the pros are to the community, but they dont seem to post in the forums that much anymore. Why do you think that is?
My guess would be because every time they post, they get in trouble for giving some unsavory responses. And as for the filth, well I believe the post above me points a few of the sections of the wall that have already crumbled around Incontrol as of late. What else would you use to describe the actions of an individual that build up to the breaking point, at which time some, if not all of the problems, begin to collapse in on them?
Oh and as for none of the pros posting? How about Liquid'Tyler? He posts regularly and provides actual insight unlike a certain EG protoss player that has already posted here. Lets also bring in TLO who recently made a nice blog about the situation with PUMA and EG. Huk posts relatively often. Jinro of course hangs on TL quite a bit, but this well known that the players of TL enjoy posting/browsing TL.
Lets look at some other players outside of TL who post often. Sheth for one makes some very informative posts that help out the community quite a bit. Pokebunny does his best not to complain about not being 18 yet, but sometimes it slips out. There are a multitude of others, but I do not read everything on TL so I can not recall more specifics off the top of my head.
The point is, I haven't seen any of these posters get attacked on TL. Do you know why? It is because they haven't done anything to wrong the community or the people of it.
On July 26 2011 13:19 Loki57 wrote: Man, the SC2 has to be the most polarized gaming community I've ever been a part of. I absolutely LOVE how dedicated so many people are to making SC2 what a fantastic game it is, and on the other hand I absolutely cant stand how sensitive some people are and the sense of entitlement of others. Please stop trying to make a name by fucking with iNcontroL, and please stop being so excruciatingly analytical about the things that are incredibly insignificant.
tl;dr Let's try to enjoy what a fantastic game we have here, and lets help it grow
QFT--My gf follows a few sports and read this thread (she was surprised i was the original creator before columbus) and she couldn't believe how sensitive some players and even some fans were about people not wanting them to win. In EVERY pro sport that I can think of you are rooting for someone to suck for some reason, whether good or not.
girlfriend follows the SF Giants...she roots for the Dodgers to loose Brother follows SF 49ers, he likes when the cowboys get their asses kicked. I like Nadal in tennis, i like when federer loses
I dont understand this expectation that our sport should be a gentlemans where everyone is rooting for everyone to win and if you dont win you get a nothing. Blizzard may be trying to make it go that way for the ladder but you can't have competition without losers.
as for my picks Win- no one in particular, i just want to see some cool zerg plays (assuming I even get to watch any since i work all weekend
Lose- Major--After columbus my opinion of him changed and I was pretty neutral to him as he proved his skill on a big stage. Then the SEA thing happened and i want someone to slap him around for being so stupid.
1) Slush: He's from Montreal like me and he's one of the best Canadian progamers, always does well would like to see him get a win. 2) BoxerR: No explanation needed here, BoxeR is one of my favorite players it's a pleasure to watch him play. 3) Don Rae Gu (spelling): Unbelievable player, I'm not posting this because I want him to win, more because I think he will win.
TO LOSE:
1) Spanishiwa: Everyone makes a big deal over him I don't understand why has he ever won something big? He'll be eliminated in the first round. 2) Huk, I don't actually want him to lose, but I'm mad that he beat MKP in the GTSL and I'm an MKP fanboy. 3) Idra, and every other member of EG for contacting a player instead of an organization to make an agreement. Unprofessional and sickening. I also find Idra pathetic for his reputation of outburst and excuses so I especially want to see him gone.
EDIT: May someone please explain to me what MajOr did? I've seen many comments but I haven't heard what he did. A bad case of BM I'm assuming?
1) Slush: He's from Montreal like me and he's one of the best Canadian progamers, always does well would like to see him get a win. 2) BoxerR: No explanation needed here, BoxeR is one of my favorite players it's a pleasure to watch him play. 3) Don Rae Gu (spelling): Unbelievable player, I'm not posting this because I want him to win, more because I think he will win.
TO LOSE:
1) Spanishiwa: Everyone makes a big deal over him I don't understand why has he ever won something big? He'll be eliminated in the first round. 2) Huk, I don't actually want him to lose, but I'm mad that he beat MKP in the GTSL and I'm an MKP fanboy. 3) Idra, and every other member of EG for contacting a player instead of an organization to make an agreement. Unprofessional and sickening. I also find Idra pathetic for his reputation of outburst and excuses so I especially want to see him gone.
EDIT: May someone please explain to me what MajOr did? I've seen many comments but I haven't heard what he did. A bad case of BM I'm assuming?
He wanted to participate in a SEA citizen only tournament. He was told several days before the tournament that he wouldn't be able to participate because he didn't live in the region. He borrowed a SEA account and played in it anyway.
1) Slush: He's from Montreal like me and he's one of the best Canadian progamers, always does well would like to see him get a win. 2) BoxerR: No explanation needed here, BoxeR is one of my favorite players it's a pleasure to watch him play. 3) Don Rae Gu (spelling): Unbelievable player, I'm not posting this because I want him to win, more because I think he will win.
TO LOSE:
1) Spanishiwa: Everyone makes a big deal over him I don't understand why has he ever won something big? He'll be eliminated in the first round. 2) Huk, I don't actually want him to lose, but I'm mad that he beat MKP in the GTSL and I'm an MKP fanboy. 3) Idra, and every other member of EG for contacting a player instead of an organization to make an agreement. Unprofessional and sickening. I also find Idra pathetic for his reputation of outburst and excuses so I especially want to see him gone.
EDIT: May someone please explain to me what MajOr did? I've seen many comments but I haven't heard what he did. A bad case of BM I'm assuming?
Basically, he wasn't allowed to play in a SEA-restricted tournament but persuaded someone who was in the tournament to give him the account so he could play and get the price money since the other players were relatively weak (It was meant to encourage SEA players to play more competitively).
It goes far beyond BM and imho should get him a tournament ban for a few month... but well, thats a topic that doesn't belong in this thread.
1) Slush: He's from Montreal like me and he's one of the best Canadian progamers, always does well would like to see him get a win. 2) BoxerR: No explanation needed here, BoxeR is one of my favorite players it's a pleasure to watch him play. 3) Don Rae Gu (spelling): Unbelievable player, I'm not posting this because I want him to win, more because I think he will win.
TO LOSE:
1) Spanishiwa: Everyone makes a big deal over him I don't understand why has he ever won something big? He'll be eliminated in the first round. 2) Huk, I don't actually want him to lose, but I'm mad that he beat MKP in the GTSL and I'm an MKP fanboy. 3) Idra, and every other member of EG for contacting a player instead of an organization to make an agreement. Unprofessional and sickening. I also find Idra pathetic for his reputation of outburst and excuses so I especially want to see him gone.
EDIT: May someone please explain to me what MajOr did? I've seen many comments but I haven't heard what he did. A bad case of BM I'm assuming?
You do know that the players on EG have no part in the management of the team right?
It's not like Incontrol asked puma at nasl. Hate the team, not the players.
1. Boxer - Why else, he's the emperor and puts in a lot of effort. Plus I love seeing the cute little strats he is always trying to come up with to gain an advantage.
Also, maybe I am just biased, but there are glimmers of brilliance in his games, often several per game. Then he seems to lose because he doesn't manage his lead well enough.
The person i want to win is DRG because I want to see that kid in code S and the fact that he is still in code B is just not right. I want to see Boxer to do well and it would be awesome if Naniwa would make his return to the finals.
I don't really want people to do bad or have a bad weekend but I think Destiny and Spanishiwa are too overhypped and i don' really think they will have a good showing at MLG Anaheim.
idra to win, for that ESPORTS drama. I want that dude to take down EVERY SINGLE PERSON, not drop a single game all the way to the winners finals. And have that tyrant like glow to his play.
I want qxc to tear through the open bracket, to do well in his group, and then fail in the loser bracket finals to someone like MMA.
I then want an MMA vs Idra grand finals rematch
also want naniwa to do well cause he has that fire.
so basically, mma, naniwa, idra, and qxc
To fail- DRG, i want this guy to beg for mercy at the hands of Idra's ZvZ, i want them to be convincing wins.
MVP- I feel his play has fallen off the radar because Ive watched a couple of reps and his mechanics seem to be falling behind from what Ive seen.
Sheth- really disappointed at his korea situation so id like him to get wrecked by koreans... too bad hes in a pool with only boxer : (
3) Idra, and every other member of EG for contacting a player instead of an organization to make an agreement. Unprofessional and sickening. I also find Idra pathetic for his reputation of outburst and excuses so I especially want to see him gone.
So you are holding the entire team of EG responsible for their management. Because the players went and made the deal. Don't hate the players, please. (And I would suggest reading the new article too). It makes me sad that you would attack really really nice people like Machine and DeMuslim by lumping them with the rest of EG.
Pretty hilarious, I feel exactly like this guy does, except for Naniwa! I'd add Whitera in place of naniwa,
On July 26 2011 23:22 TheKefka wrote: The person i want to win is DRG because I want to see that kid in code S and the fact that he is still in code B is just not right. I want to see Boxer to do well and it would be awesome if Naniwa would make his return to the finals.
I don't really want people to do bad or have a bad weekend but I think Destiny and Spanishiwa are too overhypped and i don' really think they will have a good showing at MLG Anaheim.
Win: Idra/Rain - cus they have so many haters and winning will piss off a lotta ppl haha Koreans, specifically DRG - cus koreans are gosu and DRG is the zerg savior except for nestea Unknowns - surprises are always nice Teknoboy/Vibe/mystik - gogo wc3 homies!
Lose: Spanishiwa - overhyped, his fans need a reality check. some clueless casters (maybe wolf?) even labeled nestea's brilliant play the spanishiwa build. wow whut an insult Whiplash - ladder rager
To fail- DRG, i want this guy to beg for mercy at the hands of Idra's ZvZ, i want them to be convincing wins.
Sheth- really disappointed at his korea situation so id like him to get wrecked by koreans... too bad hes in a pool with only boxer : (
Keep "wanting" brohan, because IdrA's ZvZ isn't anything remarkable... And you're disappointed at Sheths" Korea Situation."....? You're upset that someone doesn't want to live in a dorm with 10 other people? You're right, get the pitchforks!
On July 27 2011 08:10 Bluerain wrote: Win: Idra/Rain - cus they have so many haters and winning will piss off a lotta ppl haha Koreans, specifically DRG - cus koreans are gosu and DRG is the zerg savior except for nestea Unknowns - surprises are always nice Teknoboy/Vibe/mystik - gogo wc3 homies!
Lose: Spanishiwa - overhyped, his fans need a reality check. some clueless casters (maybe wolf?) even labeled nestea's brilliant play the spanishiwa build. wow whut an insult Whiplash - ladder rager
Well, spanishiwa is surely not the best player, but he laid the foundation for this style and showed what it makes possible, so players better than him could improve it. Of course there were other and probably better players using a similar style but it was spanishiwa who drew attention to it so more people would improve on the idea. It's not always about being the best in executing, but about having the right idea at the right time and showing it others.
There were drone transfers before maynard and there were better players than maynard doing those, but drone transfers will forever be called maynarding - even if only few people actually remember him these days.
But yes, there are some spanishiwa fans that really need a reality check :p
Select - He seems to usually place pretty well but can never really get over the line. Would be good to see it come out well for him this time. Incontrol - He has given up a lot of his other passions and roles like SoTG and NASL so that he can practice more and become better, hope the dedication pays off for him Huk - Would love to see his amazing form continue, he has been in inspiration to a lot of players not just for beating Koreans but in showing that hard work pays off, i really admire that in him
Also really hope that Jinro and White-Ra put on good shows, Jinro is my fave player and White-Ra, well he's White-Ra
Don't want to do well
Major - I don't really hate player going but I probably have the least respect for Major, just seems like a really BM guy and the fiasco with the SEA tournament didn't help (especially with me being from SEA and knowing how dead it is and then having Major shit all over a great attempt at getting SEA players more involved)
That is it really, I don't really like hoping that players lose and even though I mentioned Major I wont like jump and celebrate if he loses, I just don't like his attitude and don't really care for him to succeed.
Put it this way, although I want some players to do better than others, I wont be angry if anyone else wins (besides Major for reasons above)
Tbh, I seriously doubt Nestea watched Spanishiwa, and decided to copy his style for one game. Nestea is the sort of player who is the definitive reactionary zerg, using his 1000 IQ to judge the game state and adapt accordingly. Against Hongun, he knew he wasn't going to be attacked before the 9 minute mark and so he adjusted his build order accordingly. I can't imagine Nestea going gasless vs a gateway opening, as it just seems weak.
The only person I truly want to succeed is Boxer. Right now there are a lot of doubters and people are automatically writing him off as someone who can no longer compete. Boxer will do well here just like he did during the entire NASL season. I want The Emperor to win and make a glorious return to Code S. E-sports will be better if that happens.
On July 28 2011 01:59 setzer wrote: The only person I truly want to succeed is Boxer. Right now there are a lot of doubters and people are automatically writing him off as someone who can no longer compete. Boxer will do well here just like he did during the entire NASL season. I want The Emperor to win and make a glorious return to Code S. E-sports will be better if that happens.
Fail: All the overrated NA ladder warriors
i followed boxer in bw but I lost my respect for him when I saw his sc2 playstyle
On July 28 2011 02:07 setzer wrote: Just looking through your post history you seem to be a huge Idra fan. You should get over his loss to Boxer in the NASL.
how does that effect my argument? What i said is probably the most popular criticism boxer has to deal with since he started with sc2. All you gotta do is watch his games.
Yes i was upset, but not so much about the loss then about the comments of the boxer fanboys saying his cheese is so well thought out that it should not count as cheese etc. Thats why i commented on that
Yet that all does not change the fact that he is a gimmicky player in sc2 in my opinion.
Edit: If his playstyle changed ill respect that, but i dont think he can compete with the top koreans any time soon
Boxer - He deserves it. Such an amazing character... Never want to see him leave the SC2 scene! TLO & Tyler - unlikely victors for the moment, but I hope they do well MMA & DRG - I want them in code S.
Succeed: qxc - I loved how happy he was after his gstl performance Sheth - just because I still like the manner bear Huk - Our NA protoss hero!
Fail: Major - SEA incident and his reactions to it. What a douche. That's kinda it. To bad I won't be in ahaheim in person to boo him if he gets on the main stage. Will do so next year in Dallas if he goes there.
HuK - I wan't to see his momentum continue. Would be a amazing story if he takes a korean down in the finals. DeMuslim - He is just really good and nice i hope he can go trough the open bracket. Socke - He is in a good shape. He could show of some amazing games.
Fail:
Major - Obvious reasons. Destiny - I can't stand his fans and his attitude about certain words.
MMA - Great attitude and is such a strong player. Select - I feel that people dont root for this guy. He deserves more credit. I was wanting him to win at NASL TLO - Also good attitude and I just like watching him play.
Fail Dont really want anyone to lose because they are all great players. Its just that i want my favs to win
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