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Xingke
Profile Joined August 2005
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 22:58:40
July 24 2011 22:56 GMT
#601
I had a hard time deciding on a few, but here we go.


Succeed

Naniwa - I honestly didn't know much about him before seeing him destroy the competition in his first MLG championship. After that I have been following him and a huge fan. Being a terran player I enver thought I would be rooting for a protoss like I was in the TSL3 finals but I really want to see him continue to dominate.

Boxer - I want to see him back at the top and I think winning a major foreign tournament would be just the thing to spice things back up.

MMA - He was my favorite to win(well, tied with Naniwa) for the last MLG and I hope to see him dominate again. I'm glad we have some of the top koreans coming to MLG to showcase their talent for any of the foreign crowd that might be ignorant of Korea's SC talent.

Fail

vileHasHe - Came from the same community as him(sc1) and I really can't stand the guy. Also recall many replays of him raging and trash talking people after he would lose horribly. Would like to see him lose as early as possible for maximum satisfaction.

Major - Reminds me of the horrible tool trolls I used to encounter everyday in sc1. The way he acts makes me want to vomit.

Cruncher - Nothing to really say here. Just hate him. Hate his fanboys as well.

Other

Stalife - Came from same community as Hashe so I knew him decently. Unlike Hashe I hope he does well.

Jinro - Haven't been following him since he made quarterfinals of GSL(or following gsl much at all), but I would like to see him do good. He is not my favorite to win though.

Tyler - I usually don't root for Tyler because I don't particularly like his play. Not sure why I dislike him but would like to see him change my opinion in this tournament.
KingOfAmerica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States246 Posts
July 24 2011 22:57 GMT
#602
Hope to win:
1) BoxeR - Could you imagine the collective nerdgasm that would occur if he went on an epic run and took down the title? The internet might melt under its pressure.

As a side note... I love that BoxeR still has the unwavering and overwhelming support of the community, even when he is slumping. He is the kind of hero who really deserves that kind of support, and it makes me happy that he has it, as evidenced by this thread.

2) Bandanaman John Lennon Toto Destroyer - He worked his ass off, and his recent achievement was one of the great moments in SC2 for me.

3) thisisjimmy - Not a top top tier player or a threat to win it all, but I am rooting for him to make a run in the open bracket to a top 20 finish. Big fan of his stream and especially his live commentaries. His play style is very relatable, and I learn alot from it.

People who I still want good things for but maybe not to place quite as high as others:
1) Tyler - Nobody benefits more from a double standard then Tyler. His lack of dedication and general apathy to his SC2 career is forgiven, and with others it is lambasted. Really cool guy and I want good things for him in the scene, but I just don't get the amount of support.
2) DRG - Nothing against the guy, but I just consider him a major threat, and I would rather see that #1 spot go to players I like a bit more like Boxer, MMA, Huk, Select etc.
3) no one really

The nukes gonna land on his aarrrrmmmmyyy AHHHHH
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
July 24 2011 22:57 GMT
#603
Hope does well:

1. MVP
2. Boxer
3. MajOr

Don't wish for anyone to fail. Just hoping for gg's.
Bladgrim
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 23:00:53
July 24 2011 22:59 GMT
#604
On July 25 2011 04:30 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 04:26 Bladgrim wrote:
Winners:

HuK - He's just been doing great recently, from his dual title win, to playing as the ace for oGs, his skill level has just skyrocketed. I can't wait to see his games vs. NaNiwa and DRG. Plus, GO CANADA!

KiWiKaKi - His results have been sort of lacklustre from the recent tournaments that I've seen (Columbus/IPL2), and he is still great. Also, I'd love to see Reign make a good showing in their first major tournament as a team. Plus, GO CANADA!

DongRaeGu - He's great, and of all the Koreans, he is my favourite to win. He quite deserves the Code S slot, I believe (Not saying that BoxeR and MMA don't, I just like DRG right now ). He is definitely quite a powerhouse! Plus, GO ZERG!

Failures:

IdrA - He's good, but I've really just never liked him. I've always been all for honour and respect, and IdrA is definitely not that.

Destiny - Likewise.

MajOr - See above .

There are others that I'd like to see do well, (BoxeR, SLush, iNcontrol, Choya, TL, etc.) but these are my tom 3.


Honor and respect and you put Huk as you favorite? xD


Well, he's not known for BM. Trolling is alright, its the flat-out BM I don't like. Plus, GO CANADA!
All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost.
Channel Pressure
Profile Joined July 2011
United States62 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 23:23:42
July 24 2011 23:01 GMT
#605
I would love to see SlayerS_Alicia do well. Cant really explain it, I just like him. Would also like to see Tyler do well. I really like his phoenix play.
& Idra, I think if he had a bit more constitution, he could be a world-class zerg player. It might sound insane but I think he could *possibly* win a GSL if he had a stronger mind, or at least werent so self-defeating. In any case I do hope he does well.

And to the original post, man, I like spanishiwa, and im actually excited that he's playing at this MLG. . But I COMPLETELY agree with you to the overrated portion. My only exception is that I think he's already been demonstrated as to not be at 'that' level yet. When he got 3-0'ed (or 3-1'd?) By . . + Show Spoiler +
was it Major?
I think all fanboys should have stepped back and realized, maybe spanishiwa has some kinks to work out. I think he has a ton of potential, so I bet this will be a great learning experience for him.

The way I feel about spanishiwa is kinda the way I feel about Jon Jones. Incredibly overrated, but truly talented. But thats a whole other topic.

Edit: Not to say Idra isn't world class. What I was meaning by that is that I think he could be a truly elite, GSL finalist/winner calibur zerg player.
"A pastor I was listening to was talking about Job and referenced that his belongings had been burned down by marauders -- and heres where I blew it -- I immediately and arbitrarily replied aloud, "Were they stimmed?"
Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
July 24 2011 23:09 GMT
#606
If Perfect goes I hope to god he gets beaten early in the open bracket.
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MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
July 24 2011 23:14 GMT
#607
Oh, forgot all about HD. I didn't have a 3rd loser and I had too many people I wanted to see succeed in my last post, so let me update my lists:

Win:
  • IdrA
  • Sheth
  • iNcontroL

Fail:
  • HuK
  • Destiny
  • HD
Baeras
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 23:24:58
July 24 2011 23:15 GMT
#608
A bad (and by bad i mean not top tier pro) player can win an event but a good player will win multiple. "every dog has their day"

Id like to see results from Destiny see if the "free" time incontrol got has paid off at all yet as well as i wouldnt mind seeing naniwa or jinro do well

In the middle of the highway:
(waiting to get splattered)
Huk: Now dont get me wrong I don't want to see huk fail by any means but at this point hes been built up to fail. If he doesnt do well in mlg you will have people completely forget dreamhack and homestory cup and start the hate. Huk Fighting and win it all

now to fail

Idra the player i love to hate, I love watching him play just as much as I love him getting raged, BMing and generally the target or source of drama, so the worse he does or the more early won game gg's he gives us the more entertainment value can he go for the dreaded 3pete of leaving won games.

The Koreans:
Let me start by saying I have nothing be respect for the Korean players and love the fact their here but we cannot let them succeed White people pride we gotta put our foot down at some point and stop the Korean Dominance Huk started leading that pack but the NORTH AMERICAN Star League had the top 4 all koreans somethings wrong with that its time we take the starcraft scene and run with it as White people own koreans

Bet on it!
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
July 24 2011 23:15 GMT
#609
On July 25 2011 08:09 SentinelSC2 wrote:
If Perfect goes I hope to god he gets beaten early in the open bracket.


Perfect as in the Zerg player Perfect?
I faced him at the TL Open once, his macro was scary...

I hope MMA, HuK and Tyler do well.

I do not care too much for Cruncher, Choya or (i cant think of a third, I just don't like those two)
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Ihpares
Profile Joined April 2011
United States40 Posts
July 24 2011 23:16 GMT
#610
People I hope do well:

Destiny - I like the guy, I like how genuine he is, I like his style, and I like the innovative and new mentality behind his play. His ability to play Zerg as though it weren't a 'swarm' race is exciting to me, I hope he does well.

Sheth - <3 Sheth. He really deserves a win :3

Incontrol - He puts a lot into the community, stops winning anything, and has to cut everything he does for the community (Essentially). I want to see that extra practice this has afforded him pay off, I really want to see him do well.

People I hope don't do well:

Tyler - I really, REALLY like Tyler (Also, I'm a fellow philosophy major), but I think his ego has gotten the best of him. If he wants to stay in the pro scene, he needs to practice, he needs to get better. But he won't do that if he succeeds.

Major - Grow up Major.

Cruncher - This one is fairly self-explanatory.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
July 24 2011 23:18 GMT
#611
To Win:

IdrA: Because he's IdrA and because when he wins, the community does not devolve into a shitstorm. Seriously, any time he loses, you get balance whiners, you get haters, you get the "lol bm" people etc... Plus he's not been doing too well in recent tourneys and with this relatively easy group he should get far.

DeMuslim: Poor guy. He was so good, but hasn't been really showing top results recently after his arm break. Maybe to win the whole thing is too much, but hope he gets top 10.

MMA: Because he trains hard, and because he's a nice guy and because he's boxer's protege, and because Slayers is awesome, and because so is Cella, and because he already has. He needs a GSL spot; he keeps choking in qualifiers.

To Lose:

Nobody. Everyone should draw
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Krimancer
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden150 Posts
July 24 2011 23:24 GMT
#612
Do well:
Tyler
Destiny
Boxer

Poorly:
Hard to say really, most people have put the time and effort into the game and I don't think anyone deserves a poor result.
madestro
Profile Joined October 2010
Costa Rica108 Posts
July 24 2011 23:24 GMT
#613
I can't believe people want Spanishiwa to fail just because he has fanboys 0.o I mean cmon people, if you guys spent at least one day watching him on justin.tv you can see HE has never claimed he's a god of zerg or anything like it. In fact people always ask him to play idra and he constantly states he's not good enough to match against those pro players (referring to code a and s players) so please if you want someone to fail do it because you hate something about THE PLAYER ITSELF not because you don't like hes fanboys.
For instance I want idra to fail because I dislike hes bm and lack of focus during games, also hes constant whinning about how UP hes race is, the same reason goes for MC I dislike cocky arrogant players, there's always gonna be someone better and someone worse than you be humble and accept it.

Who I'm rooting for:

Destiny: he's new style of infestors is really good and he has put the effort into refining it

MVP: seriously I always thought he had a level of understanding of terran no one had at the moment he dominated code s so I want to see a comeback.

White-ra: I love hes use of warp prism and just hes overall "speciol tectics"
"The Swarm will consume all." - Queen of Blades
Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
July 24 2011 23:27 GMT
#614
On July 25 2011 08:15 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 08:09 SentinelSC2 wrote:
If Perfect goes I hope to god he gets beaten early in the open bracket.


Perfect as in the Zerg player Perfect?
I faced him at the TL Open once, his macro was scary...

I hope MMA, HuK and Tyler do well.

I do not care too much for Cruncher, Choya or (i cant think of a third, I just don't like those two)


Protoss player on RGN, the most arrogant whiny dime-a-dozen toss around
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baudusau
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany58 Posts
July 24 2011 23:28 GMT
#615
so much discussing and its so easy:
dongraegu has to win this. he is the best sc2 player in the world!
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 24 2011 23:31 GMT
#616
On July 25 2011 08:24 madestro wrote:
I can't believe people want Spanishiwa to fail just because he has fanboys 0.o I mean cmon people, if you guys spent at least one day watching him on justin.tv you can see HE has never claimed he's a god of zerg or anything like it. In fact people always ask him to play idra and he constantly states he's not good enough to match against those pro players (referring to code a and s players) so please if you want someone to fail do it because you hate something about THE PLAYER ITSELF not because you don't like hes fanboys.
For instance I want idra to fail because I dislike hes bm and lack of focus during games, also hes constant whinning about how UP hes race is, the same reason goes for MC I dislike cocky arrogant players, there's always gonna be someone better and someone worse than you be humble and accept it.

Who I'm rooting for:

Destiny: he's new style of infestors is really good and he has put the effort into refining it

MVP: seriously I always thought he had a level of understanding of terran no one had at the moment he dominated code s so I want to see a comeback.

White-ra: I love hes use of warp prism and just hes overall "speciol tectics"


There's no one better than MC, at least as Protoss. And MC's not arrogant, he's just a showman.
keyStorm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada316 Posts
July 24 2011 23:33 GMT
#617
Wish them best of luck:

HuK: He won an MLG, several other tournaments.. he's dedicated and on a winning streak!
MMA: His games were exciting last MLG and so i'd like to see more these!
SLush: The guy have had awesome good results throughoutt MLG tournaments...the guy is talented, top 3 on this run?


Wish them to lose:

No time to waste here :D
Channel Pressure
Profile Joined July 2011
United States62 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 23:36:14
July 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#618
On July 25 2011 08:24 madestro wrote:
I can't believe people want Spanishiwa to fail just because he has fanboys 0.o I mean cmon people, if you guys spent at least one day watching him on justin.tv you can see HE has never claimed he's a god of zerg or anything like it. In fact people always ask him to play idra and he constantly states he's not good enough to match against those pro players (referring to code a and s players) so please if you want someone to fail do it because you hate something about THE PLAYER ITSELF not because you don't like hes fanboys.



Completely agree. Spanishiwa knows where hes at, and thats why I hope he learns alot @ this MLG. He doesnt have the attitude that comes along with such fanism. So I think people should seperate the fans from the man. He seems like a nice guy as per his games with husky and ahanaris .

Plus, I mean, he really is good, and his builds are pretty original. His creativity must be respected
"A pastor I was listening to was talking about Job and referenced that his belongings had been burned down by marauders -- and heres where I blew it -- I immediately and arbitrarily replied aloud, "Were they stimmed?"
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 23:46:37
July 24 2011 23:40 GMT
#619
On July 25 2011 07:56 cavalier117 wrote:

there was nothing ironic about it....i would reccomend, rereading my post.
my self explanation was included to show that im not some hypocrit who has claimed to follow the scene for the last decade when i havent. as for his accomplishments. i know exactly what they are. i know exactly what his history was(probably better than you).


"i know exactly what his history was (probably better than you)" - that's the exact problem with your arrogantly incorrect mindset. You go around claiming that people are at fault for "not following him when he was prime." That's exactly what I'm criticizing, that people following a player specifically only during their success is not something laudable - in fact, it becomes reprehensible when that's what they do, and that is what's ironic, since you're criticizing people for being "bandwagon fans" because they did not behave as a true bandwagon fan in solely supporting a player because of that player's temporal success.

On July 25 2011 07:56 cavalier117 wrote:as for you claiming you knew of him. im calling bullshit. if your a westerner, and you didnt know what TL was. the odds you knew anything of what people were doing in korea, would have been so remarkably low. Other than TL, there was like 2 or 3 other american starcraft sites, all of them so small, a google search wouldnt even bring them up.(mad props if anyone reading this could even list 1 or more of them off.) when streaming didnt happen. noone did english commentary. and even getting replays was diffucult( the height of his career being 2001-2004, youtube wasnt even popular back then, let alone replays on it) so grow up. so yea, if you "knew", you would be like in the top 1% of westerners.


Look who's not reading? I explicitly said I knew of him before I joined TL, not back in 2001. Clearly, you just read what you want to see to go on your nonsensical diatribe while missing the point. The point was that you don't have to be "the old BW veteran" to become a fan of someone retroactively or for what they're doing right now. The point is that I have become familiar with Boxer without needing to follow the Broodwar scene.

People are not simply being fans for Boxer just because he was some Broodwar name - they're fans for his continuity in the SC2 scene. All the broodwar past does is add history and story for Boxer.


On July 25 2011 07:56 cavalier117 wrote: as for your reply link... thats the best you got? a tiny forum post from like two weeks ago? there is noone questioning his advancement of esports, you could have listed how he formed the Korean team ACE, or how then made SlayerS or like 30 other things, nope you gave a 25 word post that said "wow, we didnt even know western fans really existed, but thanks!"


"Two weeks ago" was the point. Again, not surprising that you missed it while blindly ranting. My position is emphasizing how a person is fan of Boxer for what he's still doing right now, ie that was only the most recent of his obvious efforts. Another important part of that is how that's just a personal and direct connection between Boxer to his fans that uniquely makes him popular among the korean pros/legends. (On a side note, your lack of reading comprehension is apparent here: nowhere does that message say "we didn't know you existed," and your lack of knowledge about him is apparent, because his appearance at Blizzcon would dispel the silly notion that he didn't know he had fans in the west).


On July 25 2011 07:56 cavalier117 wrote:TL;DR i know exactly what Boxer has done. He's like Tiger Woods to BOxer and golf was BW for westerners, nobody followed it, but people just know hes(was) really good, so they jump all over it. i just pointed it out.


Here's the overall problem with your position: you're claiming that he has "bandwagon followers" because he was just "really good." But Boxer actually is not the Tiger Woods of SC2. Boxer's reputation is not for being the winningest player. It's for being one of the smartest and creative players, for opening the path for e-sports. They're fans for style, they're fans for e-sports, not for direct achievements, which is why they continue to support him despite his lack of direct prominence in SC2 achievements.

Finally, you're not "just pointing it out" - you're also willfully wanting Boxer to lose as a result of this, which is just horrible logic. Not only will people still be fans of Boxer anyways, since he has been losing while retaining that fan base, but the idea of wanting Boxer to suffer losses only so you can still act haughty towards random people on the internet is just absurd.
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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 24 2011 23:42 GMT
#620
On July 25 2011 07:54 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 07:11 Shiori wrote:
1) DRG-- excellent player, deserves to win
2) HuK-- Canadian.
3) MMA- he's had some bad results lately. would like to see him do well
4) koreans in general so that foreigners with huge egos (e.g. destiny, idra) will stfu and realize how far from the top they are
to fail:

1) idra- terrible attitude, absolutely clueless about balance. he's one of the top foreigners, but he just can't deliver lately and his whining just makes me hate him even more
2) destiny- he's okay, but nothing special. pretty much the definition of why infestors need to be revamped. but i don't mind that so much as the fact that he's one of the most annoying people to listen to talk on his stream + his fanboys are extremely bad and irritating.
3) incontrol- awful, overrated, and sucked totally at casting NASL. this guy needs to stop playing sc2.
4) Haypro- even worse than incontrol
5) Drewbie- garbage


You like Huk because he's canadian but hate foreigners lol.

he trains the korean way and is the only foreigner who has ever impressed me by performing convincingly against koreans.
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