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On July 22 2011 13:49 felizuno wrote:
Mr. Lee is obviously mismanaging his business and the exodus of players is proof. Really don't care what he says, if he had kept his mouth shut a few more days (at least waited until Puma SIGNED the EG contract) everything would have been fine AND EG.Alex would have had a chance to talk to him.
Mr. Lee = out, like in the Kenny Powers sense
Alex said he approached Puma when he was Top4 in NASL.
Look at your calendar and tell me how long ago NASL was.
"No chance to talk" 
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I feel as though people glossed over the most important part of the interview by praising Clide/Sangho. " If PuMa was placed in Code S, I believe he would not have taken the deal. From the Korean player’s perspective, getting into Code S is hard, and winning the GSL is even harder, thus the door of opportunity is very narrow." Guess what the former two have that Puma doesn't. One worthwhile league is not enough, especially with such a top heavy prize pool.
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On July 22 2011 13:57 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 13:56 Duravi wrote:On July 22 2011 13:54 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On July 22 2011 13:51 StarStruck wrote:On July 22 2011 13:30 TheButtonmen wrote:On July 22 2011 13:26 aksfjh wrote:On July 22 2011 13:20 acidbean wrote:On July 22 2011 12:52 Duravi wrote:On July 22 2011 12:49 StyLeD wrote:
EG.....nice on the outside, they seem like normal people, jackasses on the inside. I'm not supporting EG or Puma anymore... I honestly hope their players get booed at MLG, I dont think they will take anything the community says seriously until their sponsors notice. The players aren't involved in this, this would be just wrong in my opion. EG on the other hand "lost my support", not because that they signed (or will sign ...) Puma, just with their behavior towards this whole thing. Also huge respect to Clide & SangHo for sticking to their team, even returning saleries to help the team. I liked them before, but that hardend it a bit more. Also nice to hear the background on the departure of Rain. Ty @ wtreddit for translating! The only way to let EG know we don't like them is to take it out on their product: their players. It's not like they do anything big as a team effort. You're A) wrong and B) an ass. If you dislike how EG has handled this then A) contact their management, B) Vote with your feet (Don't watch events they run, don't watch their streams) and C) support the sponsors of the team(s) you do like rather then EG's when making purchases. Going to MLG and booing players is completely pointless, spiteful and incredibly rude. You can call them what you want, but showing displeasure with management by booing the team because they make bad decisions and show poor performance is actually very common in every sport. I'm a huge fan of the Toronto Maple Leafs and when I go to the games I'm used to watching my team get hounded. It doesn't matter who you are. The fan boys and bandwagoners are absolutely shameless. But what the hell did the players do? Kind weak logic. They are just playing, criticize and e-mail the management if your are so deeply affected, but the players don't deserve this childish crap. Sending emails to the management is completely worthless. If you want to go the email route you would be better off emailing the sponsors. Better then taking it out of people who are completely irrelevant to an issue.
It's very unfortunate, but it happens. No one is safe. Not Ron Wilson; not Brian Burke; and not the players. We call it Blue and White Disease.
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On July 22 2011 13:53 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 13:49 felizuno wrote:
Mr. Lee is obviously mismanaging his business and the exodus of players is proof. Really don't care what he says, if he had kept his mouth shut a few more days (at least waited until Puma SIGNED the EG contract) everything would have been fine AND EG.Alex would have had a chance to talk to him.
Mr. Lee = out, like in the Kenny Powers sense The EG guys had 10 days to contact him, they chose not to. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut until EG steals another one of his players next time. God why am I replying to an idiotic post like this....
FFS puma said that he will tell TSL HIMSELF, if he didnt want to do it himslef obviously EG would have done it.
let me quote how i feel about reaplying your post: "God why am I replying to an idiotic post like this...."
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On July 22 2011 13:57 FLuE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 13:53 Mioraka wrote:On July 22 2011 13:49 felizuno wrote:
Mr. Lee is obviously mismanaging his business and the exodus of players is proof. Really don't care what he says, if he had kept his mouth shut a few more days (at least waited until Puma SIGNED the EG contract) everything would have been fine AND EG.Alex would have had a chance to talk to him.
Mr. Lee = out, like in the Kenny Powers sense The EG guys had 10 days to contact him, they chose not to. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut until EG steals another one of his players next time. God why am I replying to an idiotic post like this.... Puma wasn't under contract nor was he even getting a salary if I've read things correctly. At what point is he actually "his player" and at what point is he just a dude living in his house playing video games? Sounds like he was doing a poor job securing his team financially. I mean all the people in this thread upset at Puma, were you going to send him money every month 2 years from now when his SC2 skills have slipped and he is looking for a job? How much food does loyalty buy at the local Korean markets? I love how people will sit here and criticize but you know if they were in Puma position you'd take the deal just as he did.
nobody has a problem with Puma, they are talking about EG staff contacting TSL
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On July 22 2011 13:40 Serpico wrote:No...not even close. Lebron was disliked because he made a mockery of Cleveland with his public decision and the celebration he did afterwards.
Not that part - more so the part where he gave Cleveland a false sense of hope - kept his decision quiet from everyone and went for the monies and apparent glory.
Now that you mentioned it though.. going to be funny if EG gives PuMa a celebration :D
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I think Koreans really have a dire need to seek foreign sponsorship. I'm not sure, but it seems like a pretty safe bet that a lot of foreign companies will be very willing to sponsor Korean teams, given the amount of foreign exposure the GSL gets.
Also I think Korean TEAMS (not just GOM) need to start reaching out and marketing to the global community in a more direct way. I believe Wolf said that ZeNEX were starting to do this, by getting English translators etc. They can't just hope that the Korean scene embraces them and have to adapt to where the money is.
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On July 22 2011 14:02 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 13:53 Mioraka wrote:On July 22 2011 13:49 felizuno wrote:
Mr. Lee is obviously mismanaging his business and the exodus of players is proof. Really don't care what he says, if he had kept his mouth shut a few more days (at least waited until Puma SIGNED the EG contract) everything would have been fine AND EG.Alex would have had a chance to talk to him.
Mr. Lee = out, like in the Kenny Powers sense The EG guys had 10 days to contact him, they chose not to. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut until EG steals another one of his players next time. God why am I replying to an idiotic post like this.... FFS puma said that he will tell TSL HIMSELF, if he didnt want to do it himslef obviously EG would have done it. let me quote how i feel about reaplying your post: "God why am I replying to an idiotic post like this...."
if he had kept his mouth shut a few more days (at least waited until Puma SIGNED the EG contract) everything would have been fine AND EG.Alex would have had a chance to talk to him.
So at the end EG didn't do anything wrong and Mr. Lee should just STFU?
R u seriously trying to counter my counter argument to the post I quoted, by arguing against the post I quoted?
Use ur logic much?
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On July 22 2011 14:09 pdd wrote:
it seems like a pretty safe bet that a lot of foreign companies will be very willing to sponsor Korean teams, given the amount of foreign exposure the GSL gets.
Why sponsor some Korean players when the korean market has next to no RoI when you can sponsor NA/EU players and get a much higher RoI, sponsorship isn't charity.
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Yea I dont see anything wrong with whats going on personally, I dont like it but I dont think its really that bad a deal.
That having been said its a bit concerning that players get talked to behind their managers backs. Ever heard of 2 weeks notice ?
its very easy to say "OH but hes securing his financial future".. How exaclty is moving to a new country where you dont know the language, things might not work out, the whole big fish in a small pond thing, SECURE ?
Many of you people dont realise the allure of living in this country or europe because you take it for granted. For foreigner of simple means and just a love for games its a really really big deal. But it is not neccessarily better, its just as much of a risk..
I am one of said foreigners who steal your jobs I know..(im sorry btw but I have to secure my financial future to khekhekhe)
I dont think Lee said anything that bad really. He even said they parted amicably and expressed that he was somewhat hurt and frustrated (a natural response when you get a small bomb dropped on you)
The fact that he left TSL is not an issue for most people. Its the manner in which it was conducted is what upsets most ppl.
What do you think Lee would have said if it was done properly ? Keep an unhappy player ? Sure he puma may have been less inclined to agree if he was contracted but would he doubt that he wouldnt get one ? With regards to the team being financially constrained yea thats problematic and I feel for them.
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On July 22 2011 14:09 pdd wrote:
I think Koreans really have a dire need to seek foreign sponsorship. I'm not sure, but it seems like a pretty safe bet that a lot of foreign companies will be very willing to sponsor Korean teams, given the amount of foreign exposure the GSL gets.
Also I think Korean TEAMS (not just GOM) need to start reaching out and marketing to the global community in a more direct way. I believe Wolf said that ZeNEX were starting to do this, by getting English translators etc. They can't just hope that the Korean scene embraces them and have to adapt to where the money is.
I agree. GSL reaches out to nearly all the global Starcraft fans, there has to be some good return on investment in that. Hopefully more get on the ball with some nice translators to help out.
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Coach Lee says it all. The biggest reason for any korean to migrate to the foreign scene is for the money. Easy win. Taking down a gsl is THE HARDEST thing to do in sc2 right now.
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On July 22 2011 14:12 Rebs wrote:
Yea I dont see anything wrong with whats going on personally, I dont like it but I dont think its really that bad a deal.
That having been said its a bit concerning that players get talked to behind their managers backs. Ever heard of 2 weeks notice ?
its very easy to say "OH but hes securing his financial future".. How exaclty is moving to a new country where you dont know the language, things might not work out, the whole big fish in a small pond thing, SECURE ?
Many of you people dont realise the allure of living in this country or europe because you take it for granted. For foreigner of simple means and just a love for games its a really really big deal. But it is not neccessarily better, its just as much of a risk..
I am one of said foreigners who steal your jobs I know..(im sorry btw but I have to secure my financial future to khekhekhe)
I dont think Lee said anything that bad really. He even said they parted amicably and expressed that he was somewhat hurt and frustrated (a natural response when you get a small bomb dropped on you)
The fact that he left TSL is not an issue for most people. Its the manner in which it was conducted is what upsets most ppl.
What do you think Lee would have said if it was done properly ? Keep an unhappy player ? Sure he puma may have been less inclined to agree if he was contracted but would he doubt that he wouldnt get one ? With regards to the team being financially constrained yea thats problematic and I feel for them.
He wasn't his manager, he was a coach for the team puma didn't belong too, but played for him for room and board
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On July 22 2011 14:10 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:02 damod wrote:On July 22 2011 13:53 Mioraka wrote:On July 22 2011 13:49 felizuno wrote:
Mr. Lee is obviously mismanaging his business and the exodus of players is proof. Really don't care what he says, if he had kept his mouth shut a few more days (at least waited until Puma SIGNED the EG contract) everything would have been fine AND EG.Alex would have had a chance to talk to him.
Mr. Lee = out, like in the Kenny Powers sense The EG guys had 10 days to contact him, they chose not to. Maybe he should keep his mouth shut until EG steals another one of his players next time. God why am I replying to an idiotic post like this.... FFS puma said that he will tell TSL HIMSELF, if he didnt want to do it himslef obviously EG would have done it. let me quote how i feel about reaplying your post: "God why am I replying to an idiotic post like this...."
if he had kept his mouth shut a few more days (at least waited until Puma SIGNED the EG contract) everything would have been fine AND EG.Alex would have had a chance to talk to him.So at the end EG didn't do anything wrong and Mr. Lee should just STFU? R u seriously trying to counter my counter argument to the post I quoted, by arguing against the post I quoted? Use ur logic much?
at the end EG didn't do anything wrong, and lee can say Whatever he wants.
i never sayed he should STFU, you did -.-
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Is it just me who thinks this is like a rl version of pinky and the brain. with EG being the brain and pinky rolled into one.
Anyways nice to see Lee still care about his players. Lee is awesome. every time i eat a corndog. I think of him.
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On July 22 2011 14:10 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 14:09 pdd wrote:
it seems like a pretty safe bet that a lot of foreign companies will be very willing to sponsor Korean teams, given the amount of foreign exposure the GSL gets.
Why sponsor some Korean players when the korean market has next to no RoI when you can sponsor NA/EU players and get a much higher RoI, sponsorship isn't charity.
Sponsors ROI is mainly based on advertising and marketing benefits, not how well the player does in a tournament. I'm just thinking there must be some benefits to sponsoring Koreans which foreign companies aren't really capitalizing on right now.
Having said that, if Koreans build a larger rapport with the foreign community, it would improve their chances of getting a lucrative foreign sponsorship. And right now foreign companies seem more willing to sponsor SC2 than Korean companies.
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well, i really hope the best for TSL. I understand Puma has needs and such that he has to fulfill, but it's always hard to take that side over the united team trying to make a difference.
I have to admit that i payed much less attention to TSL than the other teams and once all these players started leaving it seemed like they were really falling apart. It's actually a little relieving to hear that the problem was more because they're trying to improve their established system than keeping one that doesn't work. Hope they take some hints from what's worked with the other teams, and a little individuality to get exactly what works for them.
gl to all the TSL players. TSL Fighting!!!
Edit: 666 post. what does it mean?  sign MY contract xD
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So hard to decide which team I dislike more EG or FXO. All the blatant player poaching and lackluster results is making it hard to pick a most hated.
ALso Rysecake is right the reason the Koreans are jumping ship is because the money is in the foreign tournaments that they KNOW they can dominate. No foreigners (aside from the ones that practice in Korea) will stand a chance against the Koreans that are going to be taking over the foreign tournaments.
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Coach Lee sounds like an emotional man, completely changing his tune in this interview as compared to the one here. In the link above, Lee blames PuMa for leaving and EG for not talking to the coach first. In the interview in this thread, Lee blames himself.
Lee is correct in blaming himself for the debacle. PuMa got a place to live and practice in the TSL house -- cool, but if even this is not certain, and a job offer with heaps of money and opportunities exists, I would go as well. Don't blame PuMa. EG saw an excellent player that loved the foreign scene, and offered him wheelbarrows of greenbacks and a personal courtier to push them around for his use. EG is not to blame.
Whereas Lee didn't produce much results in the house, didn't put players on contracts, and subsequently raged at EG for not knowing/respecting a minor point of etiquette in talking to the coach when offering a contract to a player. Furthermore, Lee made it sound like the TSL house was clouds for pillows and ambrosia for breakfast, and that PuMa was betraying him and the team by leaving.
EG is not guiltless. I am astounded that they have not put out an official statement yet and instead resort to responding to flamers on SirScoots' twitter.
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Sigh, now I need to remember every company that idra does shout outs for, so I don't mistakenly buy their shit. And support a team like this.
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