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About some troubles (SlayerS_Jessica) - Page 53
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
SC2 Females fighting!!!! | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On July 27 2011 17:34 LuckyGnom wrote: When youre public person you should be ready to get a lot of trash on you, so thats strange how Jessica writes about depression because of shit talking and other - if eve wants to be a progamer she should be ready to see trash talking on her even if she will be GSL 3 time winner. And also I dont get this laws about internet and other - internet was created as a free zone where everyone can tell everything he wants. I love when people say why the internet was created. Just because thats what people use it for doesnt mean thats why it was made or how it should be used. I actually think holding people accountable for their actions on the internet is actually really smart. Anytime you interact with the public your actions should reflect on you and you should be held accountable for them. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
One of the problems with the internet is zero accountability for anything you say. Unfortunately, there's nothing that can be done about it. You can't discern between the people with a real, critical, CONSTRUCTIVE opinion, and the people who are so starved for attention that they do/say anything they can to get it. And as psychiatry will attest, negative attention is far and away the easiest. Boxer is the most important person in the history of professional gaming. Period. As for the legal situation here, we need to come together as a community and oust this bastard. He is doing nothing but harming other people emotionally (and not through people with thin skin, by any means) and harming the progression of our beloved game into the mainstream by opening it to ALL genders. Find his twitter, track the IP's of the forum ID's used to post his slanderous bullshit, trace it all the way back to him in a neat little line that SlayerS can take to the court and say "here's everything you need to convict this little snake." | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 27 2011 17:34 LuckyGnom wrote: Jessica should support all their players including Eve, this means to protect her from needless trash. When youre public person you should be ready to get a lot of trash on you, so thats strange how Jessica writes about depression because of shit talking and other - if eve wants to be a progamer she should be ready to see trash talking on her even if she will be GSL 3 time winner. And also I dont get this laws about internet and other - internet was created as a free zone where everyone can tell everything he wants. Internet is not intended a zone where you can defame and accost someone. Some things done to Eve are outright disgusting, it is good that SlayerS stands up and defends her players. | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3807 Posts
I don't think winning a tournament is the best tool for identifying talent. If her games were analyzed to see the quality of her play compared to everyone else participating then I would be ok with the decision to a greater extent. Her being Diamond is an issue only because I think if you looked hard enough you could find a Masters level female player. Some of the criticism I've seen made against her is illogical. [She is unfairly getting help from a pro-team unlike other up and coming female gamers] You become a progamer by putting in the necessary hours of dedication and do whatever is needed to learn from other players. She is no different from everyone else doing what needs to be done to succeed. [She is taking a slot away from another player] Proteams don't have size limits. [This is affirmative action] She was picked by the manager for her own reasons. She didn't pick her to satisfy a government mandate. [The decision is sexist] The decision was made to raise awareness to women SC2 is not as difficult as BW. Noone disagrees with this but have an issue with it being targeted to a demographic we typically don't see in esports let alone Starcraft. Messages of this sort aren't sexist. | ||
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tetracycloide
295 Posts
The enthusiasm with which you speak about these 'criminals' being punished sounds like a vendetta more than anything else. That's a perfectly natural reaction but it is one that should be repressed in a civilized society goverened by law and justice. It is an overreaction. The law you are exploiting is unjust. That said I bare you and Eve no ill will and I hope your endeavors in the Starcraft community continue to prosper. I really do agree with your position on taking in a player like Eve and I emplore you to ignore the haters and naysayers. I wish you would channel your feelings of revenge into working harder to prove them wrong instead though. | ||
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tetracycloide
295 Posts
On July 27 2011 20:07 Falcor wrote: Anytime you interact with the public your actions should reflect on you and you should be held accountable for them. You don't see any inherent danger in punishing people for speech? No potential for missuse? No danger of suppression of unpopular ideas? No fear of political censorship? "If you accept that freedom of speech is important, then you are going to have to defend the indefensible... The law is a huge blunt weapon that does not and will not make distinctions between what you find acceptable and what you don't. This is how the law is made." - Neil Gaiman | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
Rebecca black handles this shit better oO If you want to read more on the quote posted above by Neil Gaiman - http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html | ||
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
regardless, you go get them, girl, you know the entire educated portion of Teamliquid is behind you on this. Btw i dont have the opportunity to do this since i can't go to korean, but could some warm hearted, kind fellow Liquidian who is willing to go to the Gom studio next time and get a poster and show some great support for our Slayer'_Eve, and the entire Slayers' team. Tell them that we, teamliquid are made out of sensible, good people. | ||
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Puporing
Canada44 Posts
On July 29 2011 12:18 vitruvia wrote: That, is good english, are all other korean celebrities taught english this well? regardless, you go get them, girl, you know the entire educated portion of Teamliquid is behind you on this. Btw i dont have the opportunity to do this since i can't go to korean, but could some warm hearted, kind fellow Liquidian who is willing to go to the Gom studio next time and get a poster and show some great support for our Slayer'_Eve, and the entire Slayers' team. Tell them that we, teamliquid are made out of sensible, good people. Where's that THUMBS UP button when you need it.. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
For entertainment figures, criticism is going to be pretty common amongst everyone, where were all the people defending Rebbeca Black when she had the most disliked video on youtube with thousands of hateful comments? I don't agree with any criticism that is there to hurt others on purpose but some of the arguments are not always incorrect. I'm disappointed seeing how many people just jumped on the bandwagon with this incident. To the previous comment about pro teams having no size limit, while that may or may not be true, then why aren't all the players that want to be pro gamers getting free invites to the pro teams? By the way, I find it ridiculous that people are saying it's harder for female gamers to reach Masters compared to male. This is not true at all. This only seems like it because there are very little female sc2 competitive players. The comment saying it's harder for females to reach masters is pretty sexist itself. If there were enough feminist on TL, I'm pretty sure they would be defending this as well. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 02 2011 10:52 FidoDido wrote: I don't agree with the cyber bullying, however, if this were a job opportunity for me in America, and the company I was applying for had hired someone mainly based on their looks to take the position I applied for even though I had better credentials, ofcourse I would be angry. Wouldn't anyone else be naturally frustrated? For entertainment figures, criticism is going to be pretty common amongst everyone, where were all the people defending Rebbeca Black when she had the most disliked video on youtube with thousands of hateful comments? I don't agree with any criticism that is there to hurt others on purpose but some of the arguments are not always incorrect. I'm disappointed seeing how many people just jumped on the bandwagon with this incident. A company and a SC2 pro team are entirely different entities as far as I know. Apples and oranges. Hiring practice standards for companies don't apply to a homegrown SC2 team like SlayerS. I've said this so many times before: BoxeR and Jessica built their team from the ground up. They can accept into their team whoever they damn well please. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
You're right about they can have whoever they want on their team though. I agree with you, this is pretty common knowledge about any teams. I'm only saying considering that being a progamer is like any other job, ofcourse some people would be angry when they heard a potential spot was taken by someone with less qualifications. | ||
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Strabismus
United Kingdom65 Posts
It's ok to not like to see a lesser skilled player take a spot that should be reserved for a higher skilled player, but to attack that person, even online, is not acceptable and it hurts the reputation of eSports. | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
Well then, it's 9001 times better to be a has been, than a never was. Which is what all the people that hate on boxer are. | ||
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Mr.eFF
Sweden9 Posts
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BabyToss!
Czech Republic588 Posts
Don't even know SlayerS, and I only heard about them recently, but the way people acted in this case... duh. This is part of SC2 community I'm not proud of. Whenever women are mentioned, whole load of crap starts to pile up. | ||
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Darkong
United Kingdom418 Posts
On August 02 2011 13:10 cydial wrote: There are seriously idiots calling Boxer a has been? Well then, it's 9001 times better to be a has been, than a never was. Which is what all the people that hate on boxer are. Exactly, better to be a has been than a giant that never was. Though considering how well he did at MLG I would laugh in the face of anyone suggesting that the powers aren't still there when he's had enough practise time (and has enough motivation) to summon them. | ||
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SoFool
Malaysia96 Posts
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Chicken Chaser
United States533 Posts
On August 02 2011 19:12 Darkong wrote: Exactly, better to be a has been than a giant that never was. Though considering how well he did at MLG I would laugh in the face of anyone suggesting that the powers aren't still there when he's had enough practise time (and has enough motivation) to summon them. Sounds like my lawyer cousin who called Pete Sampras a has-been when I posted that I saw him practicing at UCLA. | ||
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