EPTAbout some troubles (SlayerS_Jessica) - Page 23
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Steamboatlol
United States161 Posts
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
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MBV
United States83 Posts
And why would anyone want Boxer to retire? Even if he loses all of his games it still fills me with joy to see him playing. | ||
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arachnidd
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BoxeR - Will qualify for Code A again surely!!! Eve - Will own some faces in GSTL hopefully and progress to Code A quals and beyond. Jessica - You're a boss, keep fighting and shutting up the fools :D Shame to see such a bad reception to what should be a welcome difference in eSports. | ||
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
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Owii
United States357 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:53 kckkryptonite wrote: I am a huge fan of Slayers, and as much as I'd love to jump on board, I still can't see your point. Maybe it's the cultural differences, but it just looks like the case of the person suing McDonalds because the coffee was too hot. What did you think it would be? For me the main issue is how much of the negativity is unrelated to Starcraft at all. Photoshopping Eve's face onto a porn stars body is really hurtful shit, and really isn't something that can be defended. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On July 22 2011 07:03 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Only TossGirl? Thats it? One person in BW, not even the same game. She did a lot sure, but she got a LOT of undue crap along the way, I'm sure. SC2 has no TossGirl yet, and only a small handful of women streamers, who can probably attest that their chat logs are not really about the game. It will take time, but Eve is just exposing a much larger issue in my opinion. One that is now being focused down on her. I meant more like esports as a whole and listed sc1 as an example | ||
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Chelch
United Kingdom159 Posts
but in reality, it is no mean feat for a female to reach Master level while laddering against males. What.. I don't even have a reaction, seriously. How in gods name is it ANY different for a female to ladder in comparison to a male? You are making it out like because she is a girl who got to masters, she has done some huge achievement. Not to say that being masters isn't an achievement, but this is making out that it is specifically difficult for a GIRL to reach masters, how is this even true in any way? It is exactly the same. | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:56 Tehs Tehklz wrote: How do you know how hard she is working? She could be busting her ass, man. You don't know. And the fact that the usually physical differences don't apply here is precisely why this is a good idea. Women are underrepresented in esports to a degree that is probably unmatched in any other form of competition excluding dick measuring contests. If they are equals physically, then they just need the opportunity to excel, to get involved. Now, look at the response that the esports "community" has given Eve. Doesn't it seem like maybe women could use a little help in the face of that? This is a fantastic move, both the bringing in of SlayerS_Eve and bringing the hammer down on the punks harassing her (I say their punishment should be 10 minutes in a steel cage with SlayerS_Jessica). I am not saying she's not working hard - I fully expect that she is, and I'm going to support her as a player!!! I don't have a problem with the fact that she's a female. I love that females are getting more involved. It's amazing and I hope it flourishes - but do you think every high level diamond male player got opportunities to play on Korean pro teams? Even high masters players? Even some of the Grandmasters players? No. You have to get to a certain level before you get noticed by high level pro teams. She absolutely does not need a pro team to get to a masters level on the Korea server. Even as a B team gamer on SlayerS, how is she going to provide others with meaningful practice at that level? I understand that Diamond Korean means a lot more compared to the NA server diamond, but compared to the SlayerS players, how is that meaningful practice for the other players? Once she gets to a certain point, then I have no issue with her being recognized as a good player and being picked up. However, I don't really see how you can argue against the fact that she was picked up because she's a female. She does not qualify in terms of her quality of play at all, despite the fact that she is quite good compared to the average player here. In terms of the crap she got, there was going to be negative response regardless of her sex or ethnicity, because of the fact that she was a diamond player. I absolutely think it's terrible what some people are saying, and nobody has ANY right to disrespect Eve or Jessica. Constructive criticism is acceptable, in my opinion. If this was a black person who was a diamond player in Korea and was picked up, people would be making all sorts of racist comments. People find something to be frustrated about and then direct it at whatever they can find - including sex, race, age, etc. - I think the only way for females to truly break into the pro-gaming scene is for more girls to WORK REALLY HARD and get on par with the best players out there. It has to be organic. Getting girls involved is one thing - and it's really important- but providing them with opportunities to play against the best in a pro house while not being on par with them is wrong. Eve, Jessica, and SlayerS deserve better than some of the incredibly hateful comments that some people have posted. I will support Eve and the whole SlayerS crew - If Eve blows me away with her amazing play, then I will stand corrected. Until then, I hope for the best!!! | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
Keep up the good work and don't be sad about those messages! | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Verator
United States283 Posts
Koreans aren't unique in being driven to suicide by this, it has happened to many lgbtq americans. Everyone should keep that in mind, that it doesn't matter what group someone belongs to, its always an extremely harmful act. Being first sucks, but things will get better. I hope you can hold on SlayerS and Eve. | ||
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Blueblox
Canada30 Posts
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On July 22 2011 07:16 Chelch wrote: What.. I don't even have a reaction, seriously. How in gods name is it ANY different for a female to ladder in comparison to a male? You are making it out like because she is a girl who got to masters, she has done some huge achievement. Not to say that being masters isn't an achievement, but this is making out that it is specifically difficult for a GIRL to reach masters, how is this even true in any way? It is exactly the same. If you would have read the sentence after that, you'd see that she said it was just as hard for males to do. There's a higher concentration of males in masters, which is why she said that. Basically it's an uphill battle because she's one of the only females. It has nothing to do with ability. Anyway now that the situation has been explained better, I don't think there was any overreaction here, and I hope Eve still ends up training to be a progamer. | ||
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KasdaTheEmperor
Croatia239 Posts
Plain and simple! GO SlayerS!!!! | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
If SlayerS believes Eve is a good fit for the team then people will just have to deal with it. The internet is full of opinions and a lot of negativity. Everyone has a breaking point and the trolls job is to discover it. I think they went too far by humiliating her like they did. She didn't deserve that. Nobody does for joining a team and wanting to play starcraft. @Cella Maybe the focus will shift now to winning another GSTL and fixing that bad start this season. | ||
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CrewelTee
Canada20 Posts
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Kornholi0
Canada634 Posts
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