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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
@op i total agree that this is a behaviour that you can not tolerate. I total agree to fight against it. About all the twitter fight: i don't care! Its really sad that it comes so far that you must come here and explain it. @Sithril this is not how a forum works. But i can understand you.... PS: i think its the best if i stop reading and posting in any not 100% game related threads. Edit : when i think over it: its the best if i just read the game news and stop posting here at all ... | ||
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UnitedKronos
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Huggerz
Great Britain919 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:51 protheros wrote: Ok, I love you Jessica but I have to write this. The exact moment you signed Eve into Starcraft 2 team this sort of reaction should be expected. It is a male predominant e-sport, no one was surprised to hear the things that were said, except you. The moment you start trying to fight it, is the moment it starts getting out of hand. And you did just that. It could have been a reasonably calm arrival of Eve into the Slayers team, and hopefully, a calm, steady entering of the other sex into the pro scene. Instead, it turned into something like this, I am quite disappointed in the way it was handled. I am curious as to what you think was badly handled by SlayerS and how you would have done it better .... ? SCII being a male predominant 'e-sport' does not or should not automatically entail that any female player brought into a pro team should be the victim of such hate | ||
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Yew
United States940 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
And she wouldnt be in the team if she wasnt ready to work very hard. It says something if slayers sees potential in you.. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14208 Posts
Slayers Hawaiting. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:28 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: The problem with gender started way before this though. Female gamers get obscene amounts of crap every time they place a game. Socially ostracized and verbally abused because they are different from the "norm". Every single game is like this, so it is understandable that the talent pool for female gamers is not a profound and that of male gamers. The segregation happened a long time ago. Unless someone steps up and takes a chance, the cycle will continue and male gamers will be overwhelmingly if not the only professional gamers around. Bringing on Eve is hopefully the first of many and is (as I see it) a kind of olive branch to other females to become more involved in eSports. Provide a tangible goal through the abuse and taunts that IS disproportionately thrown at them and perhaps steadily make females less and less "closet gamers". Her gender is indeed (sadly) a central focus here, you are right, but instead of taking it as giving massive group of people a chance to shine, many cynically see it in a shallow sexual manner. Normally we rarely see or give a game about the gender divide in gaming, Jessica brought it to the forefront and it willing to do something about it instead of letting it remain the status quo. Hopefully there will be enough ambitious women playing SC2 and other games that they can have the luxury of selecting them purely on merit and skill, but right now that is only a small facet of the issue here. The larger issue is finding a girl willing to stand up publicly and call herself and aspiring pro-gamer without being target and disproportionately abused by the general public. Eve is once such female and instead of backing down Jessica and SlayerS is helping her forward in the face of this prejudice. (Which looking through a lot of the posts, there definitely is in the community). Even if Eve showed up as the super hyper Gosu bonjwa of bonjwa's, the community at large would STILL have given her abuse and taunts for being a girl in gaming. Perhaps Jessica could have handled things slightly differently with regards to the GSTL, everything is better in hind-sight, but the public's reaction while semi-expected is still unacceptable. Which is why overall I support her decision to not back down to the trolls on this one. Isn't there someone who plays sc1 and not a male... and doesn't get any of the abuse that you so claim... unfortunate that she couldn't qualify again...supposedly met jangbi or so... there's no difference... not like this crude matter... only different in your mind... hope they do well in the future and possibly not overreact to something insignificant... | ||
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:45 Loodah wrote: I really appreciate you coming here and posting this. I'm a huge fan of SlayerS, and I always support you guys. However, I must respectfully disagree with the decision. I am not here to disrespect Eve or SlayerS- but I will say that I have a fundamental problem if she is being paid a salary - The reason this is fundamentally wrong is because there are males who are working probably twice as hard as her and not getting money out of it. As far as research shows, there are not disabilities for girls in terms of Starcraft 2 ability as there are in many physical sports - so they should be expected to compete at the highest level against males. How do you know how hard she is working? She could be busting her ass, man. You don't know. And the fact that the usually physical differences don't apply here is precisely why this is a good idea. Women are underrepresented in esports to a degree that is probably unmatched in any other form of competition excluding dick measuring contests. If they are equals physically, then they just need the opportunity to excel, to get involved. Now, look at the response that the esports "community" has given Eve. Doesn't it seem like maybe women could use a little help in the face of that? This is a fantastic move, both the bringing in of SlayerS_Eve and bringing the hammer down on the punks harassing her (I say their punishment should be 10 minutes in a steel cage with SlayerS_Jessica). | ||
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bOOgyWC
Germany153 Posts
Your honesty and dedication impresses me deeply! Please dont let yourself down because of messages of a few dumb people. The big majority is standing behind you and cherish what you do for all of us. I would like to see more of the development of Eve in Star2 and am eager to watch some games live! Best regards from Germany! | ||
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fros7
Canada32 Posts
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
I don't know everything that occurred surrounding the Eve case, yet reading some of the things you described (e.g. the photoshopping) you are definitely doing a good thing trying protecting your players from some of the abuse & harassment. I'm personally quite used to some people being their 'charming' selves (flaming/hating/trolling) on the internet from time to time and people usually just ignore it (probably culturally different in South Korea where it is taken more seriously), but when it starts to become systematic abuse things can go too far. Also I don't understand why some people stigmatize Eve / Slayers team so much for recruiting a diamond level female player. I don't think that they 'owe' anyone else a contract instead of her because they 'deserve' it, in a context like this the team management has the right to recruit anyone they want as long as they think they will be a good addition to the team, by their own criteria, not that of others. Prosperity to you and the members of Slayers, and I'll be looking forward to see Boxer (edit: and MMA!) play at Anaheim :-] | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
Anyway, to the point, I think it's important to realize that Korean cultural values and attitudes differ from those of "the western world" to some varying degrees, so don't be quick to assume Jessica is being irrational. As some have alluded to here, much of her "overreaction" is justified under a different social lens - one to which we are not accustomed (the majority of us, anyway) | ||
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
and after this statement by Jessica, i respect them even further. boxer basically made esports, and now Jessica and him are trying to grow female esports. mad mad respect for all of you at Slayers, and best of luck with it. hopefully the idiot misogynist males haven't damaged the chances of a good female SC2 scene! (the backlash on Eve is the only example i've seen so far of people literally ruining esports) | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
Some people went way too far and disrespected Eve tremendously, yet please understand the frustration of the gamers who are high masters and even grandmasters and who can't get into a minor sponsored team in america or europe. I understand they are disappointed to see a diamond player have such an opportunity and not them. That doesn't give them ANY RIGHT to be disrespectful, but I am still convinced a lot of the frustration displayed in the community comes from that fact. Slayers fighting! | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
I hope people stop with the abuse and that Jessica and Eve aren't too affected by it and keep on doing what they're doing. I want esports to get bigger and better and having women like Kim Ga Yun and Eve in it only helps that. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
besides that i am sad about the boxer part. even thou he is not winning he is still a charming esports person who gives inspiration for older players like me. he should be cheered on by everyone, hail limterran <33 | ||
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Adam9172
United Kingdom6 Posts
To hell with the cyber bullies, though. edit - to clarify, I understand the arguments for exposure to female e-sports, thus exposing esports as a whole, thus benefiting esports as a whole, but I still find the whole notion rather silly. I guess it's just down to the natural gender bias in video games as a whole. | ||
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Benkestok
Denmark63 Posts
Honestly, i hope that the obvious retards, that shows up on TL starts getting permabanned, cause this is a disgrace of TL, the west, hell,,, almost humanity. | ||
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TheChostoProject
Mexico96 Posts
This reminds of the story where a poor man eats his rice near a fancy restaurant, so he can enjoy the smell of the food coming from the restaurant despite his meal being only lame rice. The owner of the restaurants freaks out and sues him for "stealing" the smell of his food. The judge settles the case by forcing the man to pay the restaurant owner, with the sound of his coins. Way to get things out of proportion. Also, sex crime??? rofl | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
I don't agree with Jessica's decision to recruit Eve the way she did, as it smacks of sexism. Well-intentioned sexism, but sexism nonetheless. However, that being said, I wish both Jessica and Eve - and all of SlayerS - the best of luck in the future, and I will continue to cheer for their members and their success. What's been done has been done already; the only thing left is damage control, and for my part, I sincerely applaud Jessica for her decision to stand up to all the cyberbullies out there. | ||
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