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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:14:27
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#921
On July 21 2011 16:08 jyisvip wrote:
Watch Puma's skill level drop like mad soon.


this is what I'm honestly expecting

training in a Korean progamer house instills a lot more discipline and quality of practice that can't be duplicated

he's not going to get that wherever he's going to end up living/playing at
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
OdiousTea
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia357 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#922
Well, money CAN buy you anything -.-, Shame to see this trend of Koreans being just bought out by foreigners, I fear that this is may just run StarCraft 2 down in the long run, the foreign community needs their own source of valuable players.
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#923
On July 21 2011 16:11 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:57 Stamper wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:53 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:53 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:47 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:46 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:43 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:41 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:35 babylon wrote:
What the fuck is going on?

Fucking hell. Firstly, this is horrible press for foreign teams. Absolutely shitty. Secondly, going behind management? Dodgy at best. Thirdly, Puma, I know money is great, but you just got 50k USD, and at the very least you could, y'know, wait until your contract expired?

Goddammit, what the hell is wrong with having a little professionalism in SC2?



Everything this man just wrote.


EG must be one of the most unprofessional teams there is. And I'm pretty sure that Puma will get bored when Incontrol, Idra and machine are "hitting the gym" - While Puma acctualy wants to improve in sc2.

Yes, because SC 2 players literally practice so much they can't do anything ever not involved with SC 2.



If you used your brain you would understand that what I ment is that Puma is used to practice SO much more then the rest of those guys, and I don't think it will be fitting at all for Puma.

Unless Puma played broodwar (I've no idea) as a pro in Korea I'd assume he's never practiced as much as Idra consistently in the same atmosphere. No need to use insults so aggressively kiddo.



You seem to know a lot.

Did I touch a nerve or something? Good lord you're angry.


He kind of has a point there. To my knowledge PuMa used to be Flash's practice partner. Entering a discussion about him without even knowing if he ever played BW is kind of idiotic.


No it's really not, because we're talking about EG acquiring a player and that's the crux of the issue. Don't be stupid.


Actually you're pretty stupid. First of all you don't know that Puma was in Brood War, and then you think Idra practices alot. Basically everything you're assuming is wrong, so don't go insulting other people when you're the one that hasn't got a clue.

Here's some facts for you:

1. Idra states that he practices 3 hours a day normally.
2. Puma has been a constant figure in Brood War.

Now you may proceed, and this time try not to look stupid.

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holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#924
On July 21 2011 16:13 mdma-_- wrote:
how is this even controversial?
EG offered Puma a contract and he accepted
i dont rly see the problem :S


The problem comes from Coach Lee's wording that he was "released" from the team, aka he was under a contract. If he was truly under a contract (no one knows at the moment), then it would be a very shady move on EG's part.
BFCrimson
Profile Joined August 2010
United States176 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#925
On July 21 2011 16:12 JoeAWESOME wrote:
If this keep happening it will be hard to the mainstream audience to accept eSport as a sport.

We need more professionalism in esport :/


Not ESPORTS!!!! Well if you make a comparison to real sports, this quite frankly a bit mild
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#926
On July 21 2011 15:55 Dodgin wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that Liquid is the only foreign team with a player in Code S. This by definition makes them the #1 foreign team.



I see what you did there :-) Well played
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ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#927
On July 21 2011 16:10 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:08 ApBuLLet wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:03 eggs wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:01 .kv wrote:
the Yankees of SC2 lol

this is a sick addition to EG


the Yankees only have 1 top player?
these sports analogies are getting weaker and weaker. just stop trying.


You obviously don't get what he is referring to although it is still not the best analogy. He just means they are the "yankees of sc2" because the are essentially buying players with unparalleled funding. Or at least that is the speculation. It has nothing to do with the players themselves or their skill or anything close to that.


I like these references to team X that plays a sport Y that no one outside of your own country Z actually follows or knows anything about.


Just because you don't understand it doesn't give you the right to bash it and say it doesn't make sense though. Maybe enlighten yourself a bit and ask how it relates?
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#928
On July 21 2011 16:11 Ezze wrote:
EG will solidify its reputation as a joke team.


I wasn't aware of this reputation.

Says who?
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#929
On July 21 2011 16:11 Stamper wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:09 Mortal wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:08 Steelavocado wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!? HOLY TITS!!!!

I was just saying the other day that EG needed somemore terran power. With puma as a training partner, IdrA will be the best player in the world.

EG/IdrA/Puma FIGHTING


no he won't be. one amazing practice partner doesn't improve you in every matchup, stop jumping to conclusions


Especially as ZvT is totally IdrA's problem.


Idra himself his is own problem that he needs to sort out before any more advance in skill can happen.
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HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#930
Quite absurd, I can understand where the TSL coach is coming from. Pretty sneaky move (not in a positive way).
Ansalem
Profile Joined November 2010
564 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#931
Too bad SirScoots is probably asleep and we won't get a comment from EG for another 8 hours or so.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 21 2011 07:14 GMT
#932
On July 21 2011 16:13 ReaperX wrote:
You guys are overreacting way too much, lol. Yeah, it's definitely sad news that Puma decided to leave the way he did, but it's not really EG's fault that they decided to contact the player first just to see if he was interested. It's hard to contact coaches on the other side of the world, and if Puma was interested in EG then he'd clear things up with the Coach. Anyways, good steal from EG. You guys are awesome.

Yeah, cause contacting someone through email and having it reach them almost instantaneously is SOOOO hard....EG management and other people have talked before about contacting Korean management and players through translators, you make it sound like they have to fly across the world for a 5minute conversation or somthing.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
July 21 2011 07:15 GMT
#933
On July 21 2011 16:11 Ryukku wrote:
This just shows that esports is growing... soon players who join teams will have to sign a binding contract pretty much like soccer players to prevent this kind of shit from happening.

though i think what EG did is not a nice thing, but it just shows they will do what they need to be the best within legal limits.

Its every man for themselves, and i definitely dont fault puma for his move =)... good luck puma!


TSL dying doesn't mean esports is growing. Hite Entus didn't form out of a growing BW market.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
July 21 2011 07:15 GMT
#934
If Puma wasnt under contract then it's pretty much up to himself where he wants to play. Seems strange and a bit naive to think someone with such talent wouldn't get offers from other organisations but then again I'm not too versed in Korean culture regarding these things. Either way, get the man under a damn contract or youre screwed when something like this happens.

Right now, EG made Puma an offer he couldnt refuse and that's that. Haha it's so sick what a recruit EG got and how ez(it seems) it was. Congrats to EG :D
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:17:02
July 21 2011 07:15 GMT
#935
On July 21 2011 16:11 walklightwhat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:08 Talin wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:03 taLbuk wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:02 youngminii wrote:
What a fucking joke. EG has no respect, I have no respect for EG.

Good job making SC2 look like a joke.


this is a gem, how bout you wait for more facts before forming such a ridiculous opinion


What facts?

I'm pretty sure TSL knows if they had a player contracted to them or not, and they obviously have some reason to be upset.

Yeah, EG will probably come up with a "statement" of their own, but we've already seen several times in the past how "honest" EG can be. I would not call that "more facts", rather a cover-up story (probably already in the making).


Ugh. People so desperate to choose sides. And you aren't slightly biased are you?

Good luck to EG and Puma.


Hehe, I do love the fact that people didn't quite get that the SOTG/ITG thing was technically JP's "fault". There wasn't any ill will, just contract confliction issues, which couldn't be sorted out, so inControl simply could not be a "pillar" on SOTG. That JP never completely did the contract didn't matter 4+ months in. But there were no "fouls" involved in that situation.

This one, EG could have been a little more "devious", but we simply won't know until later tomorrow.
johngalt90
Profile Joined May 2010
United States357 Posts
July 21 2011 07:15 GMT
#936
On July 21 2011 16:06 TheSilverfox wrote:
I've got a feeling that more than coaches and managers that are unhappy with this.

DongRaeGu will go to MLG Anaheim... My bet is that the MVP coach/manager is kind of nervous right now.



I agree with you on this point but i think this arguement is quite valid. The way i see it why spend all that money to send a player overseas and then have him come home and be "screw you guys im going to join a foreign team!" If behavior like this continues then we are gonna be having players and managers unions etc. gonna be like the NFL (not quite the NCAA lol). Gonna be major discouragement for teams like prime or Startale or incredible miracle. That being said i dont think TSL is gonna last much longer anyways they must not offer much for their players cuz it seems a lot of pros are jumping ship (didnt rainbow leave recently too?)
fuck the haters
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:15:41
July 21 2011 07:15 GMT
#937
On July 21 2011 16:12 MrDudeMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:06 youngminii wrote:

Nonono
Let me fill you in on Koreans.

Koreans have a level of kinship deeper than westerners. If you get together as a team, you will become very close. The coach is a father figure and he wanted what would make Puma happy. If Puma wanted to go and join another team then the coach would let him.

This doesn't change the fact that EG is a complete joke of a team who didn't respect TSL as a team, didn't respect SC2 as a sport, didn't respect the Korean culture and they certainly don't respect Puma.

The worst part is Puma had such a bright future ahead of him too.

lol my korean genes are kicking in for the whole respect thing ==;;


Koreans also seem to think that a female celebrity coming forward and revealing that she is being physically abused by her husband is a case of her failing to "maintain dignity". The chances of the TSL coaching staff even letting EG talk to Puma is slim to none. Puma most definitely deserves more then he got payed at TSL (assuming he got payed at all, he had zero results prior to NASL), if this is what he is happy with, then who cares how they went about it.


i have NO idea where your first point about the female celebrity came from, and also those are some very bold generalizations.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 21 2011 07:15 GMT
#938
IRL sports example. If the player isn't contractually binded to a team, a team that wants that player goes to the agent, not the former team. If the player in case (Puma) were contractually binded to TSL, EG would have gone to the team obviously, like they did with Demuslim and MYM. When EG got Idra, they went after a free agent and got him, they didn't go to CJ Entus to ask for him when Idra isn't on CJ anymore
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
July 21 2011 07:15 GMT
#939
On July 21 2011 16:06 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:01 TBO wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:55 SmOkeYNaGaTa wrote:
"There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"


If teams wish to keep their players, then write a contract. The player gets room, board, a modest salary possibly in exchange for 6 months to a year of loyalty.


Problem with this is that a contract won't help if your player wants to leave. Sure you can keep him and keep paying his salary but he won't perform to his normal level. That's also probably the reason TSL straight out decided to release him from his contract.

Nonononono
Nonono
Let me fill you in on Koreans.

Koreans have a level of kinship deeper than westerners. If you get together as a team, you will become very close. The coach is a father figure and he wanted what would make Puma happy. If Puma wanted to go and join another team then the coach would let him.

This doesn't change the fact that EG is a complete joke of a team who didn't respect TSL as a team, didn't respect SC2 as a sport, didn't respect the Korean culture and they certainly don't respect Puma.

The worst part is Puma had such a bright future ahead of him too.

lol my korean genes are kicking in for the whole respect thing ==;;


Thats certainly respectable. Team SHOULD be close.

But if Puma left so easily, one could say that he lacks respect. BUT if the team is really supposed to be a family environment and the coach is supposed to be the dad, what does it say about the environment and the "dad" if theyve lost 4 of their most successful players in a matter of weeks?
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speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
July 21 2011 07:15 GMT
#940
Man, EG should've contacted Coach Lee first, showing their interest in the player. That would've made things a lot easier.
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