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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#681
Wow EG nice pickup o_o . It's a matter of time until EG and FXOpen pick up all the nice Korean talent.

August is going to be really interesting.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#682
Maybe at least they attempted to rub shoulders with the coach, if not that's just rude. This subject easily can have a lot of mixed emotions. I guess its nice that we will see another consistent Korean at foreigner events, but I think GOM and others were already doing a great job at providing us that. Oh well a fantastic practice partner for Idra, I guess if Puma ever moves to the states.
j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#683
On July 21 2011 15:35 Grantiere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:24 Horse...falcon wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:21 UniversalMind wrote:
To bad SC2 dont have drafts and trades and stuff like basketball and football

its kinda lame to give birth to a player and watch him get stolen but meh w/e


Imagine this as the Lebron James to Miami deal

or Carlos Boozer to Utah
or Pau Gasol to LA



Except Puma won a championship before he left.


LOL OH SNAP

On topic: looks like Puma is shortsighted. Everything he gained is temporary. Puma got a better contract, but lost a team-house practice environment. If he doesn't find a quality practice environment, he won't be worth another contract. Also, he showed that he lacked loyalty which may come into play if another team considers picking him up. (I know a bunch of ppl will say loyalty doesn't mean shit but it does)
I am an idiot who knows only about gaming, so there is nothing private to talk about to begin with. - Bisu
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#684
On July 21 2011 15:39 havox_ wrote:
Still dont get the EG haters... Seriously, inalmost every sport its like this: Team talks to player -> player talks to his own team -> teams agree on transfer fee -> player changes teams - usually we just dont hear about the "team approches player" state, cuz nobody cares/its normal.


You are wrong here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_(sport)

And rules/ethics in Korea might be even different and should be respected as well.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#685
On July 21 2011 15:50 EchoZ wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:48 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:45 EchoZ wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:43 Aranaukin wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:41 EchoZ wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:40 Aranaukin wrote:
Why is this scummy? This happens in pro sports all the time. You never go talk to the management in pro sports you talk to the agent. I was beginning to wonder if agents would ever be involved in e-sports. You people need to stop being butt hurt over something that's not a big deal. If Puma left to join EG it's probably because they're going to accommodate him better than TSL is. Which is what he deserves for being a great player.

So now you guys don't care that it's better for the individuals training if it's worse for a team? lulz.


You see, the coach IS the agent.


Does a coach get money for signing the player to another team ? no. The coach is the manager, far different from an agent.


One slight problem is that Sc2 leagues haven't developed to the point where their is actually a market. So you actually can't talk about agents yet, because it is simply preposterous.

EDIT: Managers are the players only "formal" outside link with all the negotiations and stuff too for now in sc2.

Managers are not the agents in any manner at all. The players are their own agents. Managers are simply that, managers. They run the team and try to sign players.


Like I have said, the players don't have agents yet. The next closest thing to an Agent would be a Manager.

No it wouldn't. Managers in sc2 work just like managers in other sports. An agent strictly works on deals for his player and talks to teams about getting his player signed and will come in and mediate between managers if a trade is on the horizon (not usually though, its more like when a team wants to trade a player or the player wants to be traded and the agent has the go ahead to look for a trade). The players in sc2 are their own agents. Managers are nothing like agents. Even in acquiring players from other teams, they are still like a sports manager making trades.
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illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:55:21
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#686
EG approaches players like this in the past, that's why I hate EG organization (and SK too). I like the players of EG but it's somewhat upsetting how the organization handles things. They did this to the 1.6 complexity/EG team in the past; then with SotG and ITG. They can't just do things upfront, that's so sad.

They gonna send Alex Conroy to explain everything like always like a politician just to explain the situation.



you live and you learn
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#687
I would like to remind everyone that Liquid is the only foreign team with a player in Code S. This by definition makes them the #1 foreign team.
Mayor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:56:06
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#688
On July 21 2011 15:53 mango_destroyer wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:49 Nicodemusher wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:47 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:46 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:43 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:41 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:35 babylon wrote:
What the fuck is going on?

Fucking hell. Firstly, this is horrible press for foreign teams. Absolutely shitty. Secondly, going behind management? Dodgy at best. Thirdly, Puma, I know money is great, but you just got 50k USD, and at the very least you could, y'know, wait until your contract expired?

Goddammit, what the hell is wrong with having a little professionalism in SC2?



Everything this man just wrote.


EG must be one of the most unprofessional teams there is. And I'm pretty sure that Puma will get bored when Incontrol, Idra and machine are "hitting the gym" - While Puma acctualy wants to improve in sc2.

Yes, because SC 2 players literally practice so much they can't do anything ever not involved with SC 2.



If you used your brain you would understand that what I ment is that Puma is used to practice SO much more then the rest of those guys, and I don't think it will be fitting at all for Puma.

Unless Puma played broodwar (I've no idea) as a pro in Korea I'd assume he's never practiced as much as Idra consistently in the same atmosphere. No need to use insults so aggressively kiddo.

Puma's a top-rated BW player, man.

This is huge...damn.


Lol Define top rated BW player. I don`t think he was.


He was credited for being a smart and wonderful player by many people, for instance Artosis and idrA, but had stage problems.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#689
What the ffuuuuuuuuuuuu. This is huge news and I guess all I can say is I'm excited. I want to see the top talent everywhere and I think EG will ship him all over.
Fan of: IdrA, Sen, Stephano, Snute, Axlav, Hero
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#690
On July 21 2011 15:50 oBlade wrote:
Players' rights above all. It doesn't matter whether it was a foreign team or Korean team. Puma is where he prefers to be. Being a better coach or being closer to your players and doing better to give them what they need is a good way to stop your players from getting stolen. I suggest TSL coach do that if he likes, but not try to put blame elsewhere.

Your post is indicative as to why modern sports are so terrible. For the last ten years or so all you hear about is someone's contract or who has the option and then when the player doesnt get what they want they dont play... they hold out and fuck everyone else over. Its pretty sad to see the prima donna attitude show up in SC2 before it even sprouts wings.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#691
Don't see anything wrong here. Business is business, and it definitely is NOT unicorns and rainbows, which is apparently what Manager Lee thinks it is.
ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#692
have to say, EG did play dirty. not easy for TSL coach to release his player at this moment while the whole team is already shrinking. I guess they should at least talk to TSL coach about this first.
SmokeyNagata
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States111 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#693
"There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"


If teams wish to keep their players, then write a contract. The player gets room, board, a modest salary possibly in exchange for 6 months to a year of loyalty.
starcraft, rock climbing, and darts
Halcyondaze
Profile Joined January 2011
United States509 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#694
On July 21 2011 15:51 forgottendreams wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:51 Halcyondaze wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:47 ckolev wrote:
Dislike - Bypassing the coach is something really bad. Like for professional sports players, I think that this is unacceptable. There should be some kind of rule, that this should be forbidden. I mean if the player wants to leave, its OK, but first and most importantly it should be contacting the current team coach/manager and discussing it with them. EG just lost my respect for that team, sorry


This is not professional sports you moron. There are not contracts, these players are free game and have free roam to do whatever they want. If TSL is paying him next to nothing, I'm surprised he hasn't left yet, it's clear he was looking for a foreign team. And he will be paid better and treated better. You are a joke, ignorant opinion #1281. Get a fucking clue


Actually there are contracts in esports "moron", TSL granted puma's wish to leave. They could have kept him since he was still under contract.


Not the contract that you are alluding to. The way in which you addressed this was as if it was a binding contract. The only contract they have is that they pay them, the player can do whatever he wants, leave the team whenever he wants. Its free roam
bluestuff
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada893 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#695
interesting move, scummy or not is debatable but defiantly a huge gain for EG and a huge loss for TSL :/
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#696
On July 21 2011 15:52 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:50 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:49 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:48 Keype wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:45 wats0n wrote:
Why weren't Korean netizens outraged when Startale picked up Trickster? Gimme a break.

it was a complete different reasons, they didnt have the same plans for the future and tsl were going through changes etc.
to topic : ye it will be hard to cheer on eg and more to cheer on puma in the future:/ Poor tsl.

Lol the amount of emotion you're putting into this move is comical. It's not really a big deal and not having players under contract is naive, if you dont have the money to pay them then someone else will.

They were salaried. And quite well.

Define "quite well", because I guarantee you the players will always go for more. Quite well becomes "not enough" pretty quickly when someone else with more money comes knocking.

30k for FD, 27k for Tester, and since he's better than both I'm assuming comparable money, and certainly more than EG can afford.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#697
it's funny because incontrol was talking a bunch of shit about how MLG shouldn't finance koreans to come to foreign tournaments, the team/player should do it. well i guess now his team will be paying for those trips.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#698
On July 21 2011 15:52 zoLo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:51 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Well EG is rumored to be building a team house so if they get their stuff together and start really pushing it, they could be quite formidable. Also, If puma stays in Korea, I think playing alone would be pretty bad for his skills, I would think he would have to travel to EG's house. no? If thats the case, who will translate? or can he speak english? Idra The Translator? For a Terran?


NO. Why do people think that if you do not have a team, you will be a shitty player? He probably has a good list of people that are good. Do you guys not remember all the interviews of the Korean players who give credit to players for helping them practice? Most of the time they mention players OUTSIDE their team.


Yeah, but I was thinking that based off the sort of culture you see from the SlayerSJessica thing, this could impact him socially over there. I don't know what other players think of this but at least the fans are going to give him crap.

hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
July 21 2011 06:55 GMT
#699
Summary of negative comments:
Some people don't understand how business works or are personally against players making decisions for themselves. If PuMa was offered more money and TSL couldn't pay it, why shouldn't he be allowed to move?
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
July 21 2011 06:56 GMT
#700
On July 21 2011 15:54 j3i wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:35 Grantiere wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:24 Horse...falcon wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:21 UniversalMind wrote:
To bad SC2 dont have drafts and trades and stuff like basketball and football

its kinda lame to give birth to a player and watch him get stolen but meh w/e


Imagine this as the Lebron James to Miami deal

or Carlos Boozer to Utah
or Pau Gasol to LA



Except Puma won a championship before he left.


LOL OH SNAP

On topic: looks like Puma is shortsighted. Everything he gained is temporary. Puma got a better contract, but lost a team-house practice environment. If he doesn't find a quality practice environment, he won't be worth another contract. Also, he showed that he lacked loyalty which may come into play if another team considers picking him up. (I know a bunch of ppl will say loyalty doesn't mean shit but it does)

Not really, depends on how many teams have the resources to support a player like EG.
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