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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:54:02
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#661
On July 21 2011 15:51 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Well EG is rumored to be building a team house so if they get their stuff together and start really pushing it, they could be quite formidable. Also, If puma stays in Korea, I think playing alone would be pretty bad for his skills, I would think he would have to travel to EG's house. no? If thats the case, who will translate? or can he speak english? Idra The Translator? For a Terran?



Well living together with Incontrol or someone like Machine, doesn't help him improve either tbh. EG should make a deal with some team like let's say Startale so Puma could live and practice in their team house or something similar to that.


Calling the end of PuMas career here, wont winning anything major ever again, thanks to lack of practice environment.
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Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#662
On July 21 2011 15:51 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:51 Halcyondaze wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:47 ckolev wrote:
Dislike - Bypassing the coach is something really bad. Like for professional sports players, I think that this is unacceptable. There should be some kind of rule, that this should be forbidden. I mean if the player wants to leave, its OK, but first and most importantly it should be contacting the current team coach/manager and discussing it with them. EG just lost my respect for that team, sorry


This is not professional sports you moron. There are not contracts, these players are free game and have free roam to do whatever they want. If TSL is paying him next to nothing, I'm surprised he hasn't left yet, it's clear he was looking for a foreign team. And he will be paid better and treated better. You are a joke, ignorant opinion #1281. Get a fucking clue


Actually there are contracts in esports "moron", TSL granted puma's wish to leave. They could have kept him since he was still under contract.


Its doubtful the contract had all to much time left on it if Puma was looking at his options.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:55:44
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#663
On July 21 2011 15:49 Nicodemusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:47 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:46 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:43 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:41 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:35 babylon wrote:
What the fuck is going on?

Fucking hell. Firstly, this is horrible press for foreign teams. Absolutely shitty. Secondly, going behind management? Dodgy at best. Thirdly, Puma, I know money is great, but you just got 50k USD, and at the very least you could, y'know, wait until your contract expired?

Goddammit, what the hell is wrong with having a little professionalism in SC2?



Everything this man just wrote.


EG must be one of the most unprofessional teams there is. And I'm pretty sure that Puma will get bored when Incontrol, Idra and machine are "hitting the gym" - While Puma acctualy wants to improve in sc2.

Yes, because SC 2 players literally practice so much they can't do anything ever not involved with SC 2.



If you used your brain you would understand that what I ment is that Puma is used to practice SO much more then the rest of those guys, and I don't think it will be fitting at all for Puma.

Unless Puma played broodwar (I've no idea) as a pro in Korea I'd assume he's never practiced as much as Idra consistently in the same atmosphere. No need to use insults so aggressively kiddo.

Puma's a top-rated BW player, man.

This is huge...damn.


Lol Define top rated BW player. I don`t think he was.


I am going to call you out and say you never followed the BW scene and just listen to Artosis praise this guy rofl.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#664
Holy shit ... #_#
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#665
On July 21 2011 15:51 GoKu` wrote:
Just when you are about to say FXO has the strongest foreign team (well if you take in FXO Korea into consideration), BAM. Not sure why people are freaking out about EG talking to the player... that was in America... Thats how almost every professional athletic organization has been for years. Why should they negotiate with the Coach unless they even know the player is at all interested.

mouz is still way stronger than EG.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:55:26
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#666
I understand that players changing teams in sports is a very normal thing, but something feels a bit, I don't know... dirty about just "buying" a player like that. Maybe it's because E-sports is still in its infancy and so all the teams really feel more home-grown than big, faceless, corporate-sponsored entities.

Anyway, nothing against EG, but I can't really see Puma having as good a practice environment anymore. I mean, the whole reason why most of us agree Koreans are better than everyone else is due to their practice environment, and now that Puma doesn't have that anymore, I'm not sure if he's going to keep up with top Korean play.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#667
On July 21 2011 15:51 Halcyondaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:47 ckolev wrote:
Dislike - Bypassing the coach is something really bad. Like for professional sports players, I think that this is unacceptable. There should be some kind of rule, that this should be forbidden. I mean if the player wants to leave, its OK, but first and most importantly it should be contacting the current team coach/manager and discussing it with them. EG just lost my respect for that team, sorry


This is not professional sports you moron. There are not contracts, these players are free game and have free roam to do whatever they want. If TSL is paying him next to nothing, I'm surprised he hasn't left yet, it's clear he was looking for a foreign team. And he will be paid better and treated better. You are a joke, ignorant opinion #1281. Get a fucking clue

I like how you call people ignorant when there are tons of things wrong with your post. 1. there are contracts, which is why Puma had to be released. It's not like these are loose organizations, there is an Sc2 players association and most pros are contracted. TSL was the first team to give players actual salaries, and Puma got one. He wasn't "looking" for a team, EG contacted him first. I don't know exatly how much money he was making but if they gave FD 30k and Tester 27k then I'm sure he got a comparable amound cause he's at least as good if not better. If you wanna tell me that EG has over half of an NASL grand prize money to throw on one player you better be able to back it up with facts, but I'm almost sure you can't.
SwordfishConspiracy
Profile Joined December 2010
United States146 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#668
On July 21 2011 15:51 Halcyondaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:47 ckolev wrote:
Dislike - Bypassing the coach is something really bad. Like for professional sports players, I think that this is unacceptable. There should be some kind of rule, that this should be forbidden. I mean if the player wants to leave, its OK, but first and most importantly it should be contacting the current team coach/manager and discussing it with them. EG just lost my respect for that team, sorry


This is not professional sports you moron. There are not contracts, these players are free game and have free roam to do whatever they want. If TSL is paying him next to nothing, I'm surprised he hasn't left yet, it's clear he was looking for a foreign team. And he will be paid better and treated better. You are a joke, ignorant opinion #1281. Get a fucking clue


I love when wrong people call other people morons with a tone of sarcastic elitism.
SwordfishConspiracy
ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#669
On July 21 2011 15:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:46 sigoly wrote:
idra
demuslim
puma

that looks respectable.

time to kick out the dead wood in incontrol, machine, axslav, strifcro and lz and employ more poaching shenanigans.

demuslim isn't even close to those 2 lol...


Before his injury he was, and he will be again.
HerO - iNcontroL - DeMusliM - TaeJa - JaeDong
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:54:16
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#670
On July 21 2011 15:53 Shewklad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:47 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:46 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:43 Serpico wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:41 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:35 babylon wrote:
What the fuck is going on?

Fucking hell. Firstly, this is horrible press for foreign teams. Absolutely shitty. Secondly, going behind management? Dodgy at best. Thirdly, Puma, I know money is great, but you just got 50k USD, and at the very least you could, y'know, wait until your contract expired?

Goddammit, what the hell is wrong with having a little professionalism in SC2?



Everything this man just wrote.


EG must be one of the most unprofessional teams there is. And I'm pretty sure that Puma will get bored when Incontrol, Idra and machine are "hitting the gym" - While Puma acctualy wants to improve in sc2.

Yes, because SC 2 players literally practice so much they can't do anything ever not involved with SC 2.



If you used your brain you would understand that what I ment is that Puma is used to practice SO much more then the rest of those guys, and I don't think it will be fitting at all for Puma.

Unless Puma played broodwar (I've no idea) as a pro in Korea I'd assume he's never practiced as much as Idra consistently in the same atmosphere. No need to use insults so aggressively kiddo.



You seem to know a lot.

Did I touch a nerve or something? Good lord you're angry.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#671
On July 21 2011 15:49 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:48 Namu wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:45 wats0n wrote:
Why weren't Korean netizens outraged when Startale picked up Trickster? Gimme a break.


how do you see this same as startale picking up trickster
are you trolling or something?

Yeah, Trickster clearly left TSL and was a free agent BEFORE he got signed.


Dont think thats clear. They left TSL but they should have been under contract. Which means TSL contracts probably arent binding. Trickster and FD left cause they didnt agree with the new directions. Seems pretty easy to just "leave."

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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#672
Wow pretty dirty by EG and sucks for TSL. TSL paid for puma's flight to cali and he repays them by switching teams?! I can understand why TSL is pissed.
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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
July 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#673
On July 21 2011 15:53 hongster90 wrote:
EG and TSL should merge and weed out the underperformers to create quality players with higher salaries!


If that would be the case, it would just be the same TSL that was left in the end, without the EG-players
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#674
On July 21 2011 15:49 Nicodemusher wrote:
Puma's a top-rated BW player, man.


laffin

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FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#675
On July 21 2011 15:51 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Well EG is rumored to be building a team house so if they get their stuff together and start really pushing it, they could be quite formidable. Also, If puma stays in Korea, I think playing alone would be pretty bad for his skills, I would think he would have to travel to EG's house. no? If thats the case, who will translate? or can he speak english? Idra The Translator? For a Terran?


I didnt even think of that.

Can anyone on EG speak korean? Maybe idra a little?

At least FXO had guys that spoke korean BEFORE getting koreans (oz)
Snitches get stiches
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#676
On July 21 2011 15:53 hongster90 wrote:
EG and TSL should merge and weed out the underperformers to create quality players with higher salaries!


why was this even posted
The universe created an audience for itself.
brum
Profile Joined January 2011
Hungary187 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:54:36
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#677
That's why you make your players sign contracts and stuff? Not just have them around and make them play willy-nilly.
AusBox
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia214 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#678
Wha-------?

This just came out of nowhere.

I...I...don't even.
10or10
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden517 Posts
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#679
On July 21 2011 15:46 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:44 Shewklad wrote:
Ahh... Good old United States of America. It's all about the $$$ - Too bad you're soon out of $.


Low blow. Just for that, we wont be buying any more swedish fish OR meatballs. How do you like them apples?

Yeah, it's not like any swedes was involved in the CS1.6 affair with gux, delpan, fnatic & SK.

Similiar situation this; like gux-thingy if it Puma wasn't under contract and like delpan if Puma had a contract... either way sirscoots commented on in on Lo3 in a pretty critical manner then so I would assume he has an explanation.
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:54:34
July 21 2011 06:54 GMT
#680
On July 21 2011 15:48 Tech0 wrote:
EG ... statement please ... if the case is descriped correctly by the TSL manager, then EG's actions are not so gentleman at all ... also I don't think recruiting koreans as mercenaries is the perfect idea.

I am an EG fan, but feel a lil bit dissapointed atm.

Don't become like Real Madrid in soccer for example ... a team full of mercenaries ... thats not cool and proven to be not successful. (although soccer is a team game and its different, than the individual sports)

Seems we need something like federaction/asociation, which needs to define some rules like in every sport.



I don't see the problem, EG approached Puma to see if he would be interested. Puma says yes, they talk about details to find an agreement. The coach has no place in those discussions, you certainly don't speak to the coach until after you know whether the player would be interested.

In football they do it thru agents and the teams often are the last people to know that a player has been approached.
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