EPTPuma leaves TSL for EG - Page 332
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Twoinches
United States131 Posts
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TheButtonmen
Canada1405 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:06 monx wrote: Seriously i have lost all respect to EG and even djWheat after this show. Can't believe how shitty that show was. I bet he'll write a blog to defend himself but i don't care anymore. This guy doesnt deserve to be in Esports imo. And EG doesn't deserve to be a team we support. Those guys are the worst trolls. ...DjWheat doesn't deserve to be in Esports eh? | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On July 22 2011 18:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ultimately its going to boil down to cash. mentioned in the interview was the weak nature of the SC2 scene in Korea. as long as Korean teams have no money to pay their players while EU and NA teams do they'll continue to walk all over the "culture" standard in Korea with impunity. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. It's not so much about money as it is player ambition/goals. I don't see someone like Nestea leaving IM for a foreign team that isn't based in Korea. | ||
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kimjongskills
United States47 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:06 monx wrote: Seriously i have lost all respect to EG and even djWheat after this show. Can't believe how shitty that show was. I bet he'll write a blog to defend himself but i don't care anymore. This guy doesnt deserve to be in Esports imo. And EG doesn't deserve to be a team we support. Those guys are the worst trolls. fucking ridiculous. djWHEAT is one of the most important leaders of e-Sports in the west. saying djWHEAT shouldnt be part of e-sports is like saying day[9] shouldnt. | ||
Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:11 Twoinches wrote: EG - We ruin E-sports by giving players a chance. A chance to do what? TSL provided Puma with a higher quality practice environment than EG ever will. They gave him the opportunity to play and compete in Korea against the best players in the world. They sent him to compete on a foreign event (which he won). The only thing EG can do for him is give him more money - but at the same time he loses everything else. Which to an ambitious progamer who believes in his skill and talent should be a lot more important than instant gratification salary. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:06 monx wrote: Seriously i have lost all respect to EG and even djWheat after this show. Can't believe how shitty that show was. I bet he'll write a blog to defend himself but i don't care anymore. This guy doesnt deserve to be in Esports imo. And EG doesn't deserve to be a team we support. Those guys are the worst trolls. With all due respect, who the fuck are you and what have you done for esports? I would be willing to bet that you haven't done one thousandth of a percent what djWheat has done for the growth of esports for almost a decade. Get some perspective. Manner up. | ||
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stangstang
Canada281 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:14 Baarn wrote: Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. It's not so much about money as it is player ambition/goals. I don't see someone like Nestea leaving IM for a foreign team that isn't based in Korea. He would if Nestea wasn't in code A or S. Sometimes it isn't about the money. but most of the time it is. Sangho and Clide are commendable for sticking with TSL after being offered deals with foreign teams, Puma wants to make money. He wants to play, not just for a meal and a place to live but for actual money. And yet people are shitting on him for not being "Loyal" and shitting on EG for providing him with this opportunity. | ||
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Twoinches
United States131 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:16 Talin wrote: A chance to do what? TSL provided Puma with a higher quality practice environment than EG ever will. They gave him hte opportunity to play and compete in Korea against the best players in the world. They sent him to compete on a foreign even (which he won). The only thing EG can do for him is give him more money - but at the same time he loses everything else. Or if you took your korea is everything blinders off, they give him the chance to experience life. I dont know all puma has done in sc2 is win Nasl, thats it, its not like he was even in Code A, staying in korea means he has to fight his way into that torture fest of a tournament ( I love gsl but its not for the feint of heart). or Eg can send him ANYWHERE and he can play all over the world and travel and have fun. Oh and get paid for what he loves to do. thats always nice. | ||
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
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Mazeltov
United States26 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:16 Aurdon wrote: With all due respect, who the fuck are you and what have you done for esports? I would be willing to bet that you haven't done one thousandth of a percent what djWheat has done for the growth of esports for almost a decade. Get some perspective. Manner up. Whether or not this poster has done anything for e-sports. He says that he lost respect for someone due to their lack of moderation show during a casted show. If you have an actual argument i.e he did a good job moderating and here's why, then you have an argument as is all you are doing is name calling. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:11 Twoinches wrote: EG - We ruin E-sports by giving players a chance. If anyone would ruin esports why not them? They got a shot at a good player and they took it. Sure they got bad PR but they aren't exactly the best at damage control. | ||
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poorbeggarman
139 Posts
On July 22 2011 18:27 BackSideAttack wrote: Well gn to you. But in closing Dj Wheat chose to be incredibly biased on a EG backed show, so even if Alex felt Milkis was wrong, there's no reason for Wheat (the moderator) to interrupt Milkis like that. But well, just because the show is "EG backed", does not necessarily mean DjWheat was biased towards EG. Those are some serious allegations about his credibility. Can you provide citations from the WoC vod that validate your argument? Blind hate is quite unwarranted. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1405 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:21 poorbeggarman wrote: But well, just because the show is "EG backed", doesn't mean DjWheat was necessarily biased towards EG. Those are some serious allegations about his credibility. Can you provide citations from the WoC vod that validate your argument? Blind hate is quite unwarranted. WoC has been around much longer then SC2 and has nothing to do with EG for what it's worth. | ||
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Twoinches
United States131 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:20 Mazeltov wrote: Whether or not this poster has done anything for e-sports. He says that he lost respect for someone due to their lack of moderation show during a casted show. If you have an actual argument i.e he did a good job moderating and here's why, then you have an argument as is all you are doing is name calling. he actually didnt say the word moderation at all. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:19 stangstang wrote: He would if Nestea wasn't in code A or S. Sometimes it isn't about the money. but most of the time it is. Sangho and Clide are commendable for sticking with TSL after being offered deals with foreign teams, Puma wants to make money. He wants to play, not just for a meal and a place to live but for actual money. And yet people are shitting on him for not being "Loyal" and shitting on EG for providing him with this opportunity. That's just short term thinking IMO. Six months to a year from now, Clide and SangHo will be the better players because they were consistently training and competing with the best. So next time Clide or SangHo (or another Korean pro) will fly in to a foreign event and win all the money, not Puma who's been messing around in the west. And sure Puma will be on a salary for a year, but what happens in two years? What happens if EG decides they don't give a fuck about SC2 any more after that because they can no longer make an impact and their players can't win big events? Skill level is the most important capital resource a player can have, and building it up the highest priority. Clide and SangHo didn't only stay for loyalty, I'm pretty sure they stayed because they knew it's best for them in the long run. On July 22 2011 19:19 Twoinches wrote: Or if you took your korea is everything blinders off, they give him the chance to experience life. I dont know all puma has done in sc2 is win Nasl, thats it, its not like he was even in Code A, staying in korea means he has to fight his way into that torture fest of a tournament ( I love gsl but its not for the feint of heart). or Eg can send him ANYWHERE and he can play all over the world and travel and have fun. Oh and get paid for what he loves to do. thats always nice. Yeah, EG can send him "anywhere" except the only important place he needs to be in - Code S. They can provide him with everything except the skilled, committed and hard working practice environment. Yeah he can experience the "life" for a year or so, and get paid for it, but what happens when he falls so much behind that he's not only a fantastic player who was unlucky not to make Code A/S so far, but a mediocre player among Korean pros who will be lucky to ever make it in? MC complained about his skill level dropping from travelling "everywhere" for only 2 months, and it showed immediately - HongUn rolled him and if HuK didn't choke he would have as well. It's Starcraft. There's only one way to practice and play it right, and it doesn't involve "enjoying life". Like it or dislike it, you can't change that fact. | ||
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VAR1ABLES
United States29 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:20 Baarn wrote: If anyone would ruin esports why not them? They got a shot at a good player and they took it. Sure they got bad PR but they aren't exactly the best at damage control. EG knows one way for them to do damage control - it's how they handled their controversial move after the CGS collapsed by picking up coL - they win. And they just keep winning. And people forget, and people learn to love them for their move and see it as amazing. | ||
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Blackjack111
75 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:06 monx wrote: Seriously i have lost all respect to EG and even djWheat after this show. Can't believe how shitty that show was. I bet he'll write a blog to defend himself but i don't care anymore. This guy doesnt deserve to be in Esports imo. And EG doesn't deserve to be a team we support. Those guys are the worst trolls. Disregarding the fact that i disagree with you, and what seems to be a 50/50 split down the middle of the community. When it comes to EG and it's involvement with Puma leaving TSL. djWHEAT has done and forgotten more about esports than you ever will. He was in competitive gaming likely before you know it existed. He has done casting, and had shows, that he has done FOR FREE for like a decade. Don't like it, don't watch. That is fine. But saying he doesn't deserve to be in esports is downright disgusting. | ||
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Twoinches
United States131 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:24 Talin wrote: That's just short term thinking IMO. Six months to a year from now, Clide and SangHo will be the better players because they were consistently training and competing with the best. So next time Clide or SangHo (or another Korean pro) will fly in to a foreign event and win all the money, not Puma who's been messing around in the west. And sure Puma will be on a salary for a year, but what happens in two years? What happens if EG decides they don't give a fuck about SC2 any more after that because they can no longer make an impact and their players can't win big events? Skill level is the most important capital resource a player can have, and building it up the highest priority. Clide and SangHo didn't only stay for loyalty, I'm pretty sure they stayed because they knew it's best for them in the long run. Whats wrong with taking chances in life? and what makes you think puma will do great in korea? he won 1 foreign tournament, thats it. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On July 22 2011 19:19 stangstang wrote: He would if Nestea wasn't in code A or S. Sometimes it isn't about the money. but most of the time it is. Sangho and Clide are commendable for sticking with TSL after being offered deals with foreign teams, Puma wants to make money. He wants to play, not just for a meal and a place to live but for actual money. And yet people are shitting on him for not being "Loyal" and shitting on EG for providing him with this opportunity. Well obviously things would be different. The way I see it is that Puma won NASL and got a taste of easy money in the west. After that he decided that was what he should pursue. Everyone has different goals. Seems to me like Sangho and Clide want to stick it out in GSL and rebuild the team with TSL. Outside of that all the hate at this point is bandwagoning. People are so black and white about things. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13092 Posts
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