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Milkis should not have been on the show plain and simple he brought nothing to the table. if he isnt a journalist and doesnt fact check or translate the whole article thats great. they could have introduced him as "some dumb shmuck who can read korean" and then they could have filled his place with a lot of people. milkis's debate was "You dont get it" and thats not really saying anything.
And again. Why is it that we all have to bend over backwards for this Culture nonsense? when is koreas turn to do some bending? Puma was at a US event and a US company saw a free agent and approached it like gentlemen. they didnt attack puma and threaten him and force him to sign they talked to him and asked him.
Who is to say Coach Lee is not the one at fault here? EG for all anyone of you know were trying to contact him and he acted early and made a post about the evil americans stealing his player without asking him. sounds like a good way to get bandwagoners on your side right? Eg and Puma had not said anything yet and this guy just goes "Well no one asked me if it was ok" they might have been trying to but you jumped the press shark and painted this very evil (in some peoples minds) picture. has no one thought of that scenario?
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On July 22 2011 17:44 stangstang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 17:39 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:29 stangstang wrote:On July 22 2011 17:27 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:25 stangstang wrote:On July 22 2011 17:22 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote:
posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now? The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis. how? please explain how he disrespected milkis. If you watched Weapon of Choice today, Alex continuously interrupted and talked over Milkis whenever he was trying to make a point. Then at the end he attacked Milkis for "false journalism" when all he did was translate an article on play XP. Respect starts with giving the other party the time of day to make a point. Even if Alex was 100% correct, it is still disrespectful for him to do what he did. He corrected milkis for falsely quoting him. he never attacked milkis for false journalism. he stated that before he even started making his point. Lol go to the Weapon of Choice thread and read all the comments on this. Then go rewatch the video. The entire debate was riddled with Alex "apologizing" before he interrupted him or made an accusation. I'm sorry but saying that "im not trying to accuse you....but" is an accusation in itself.. An apology does not mask his true intentions. I don't get where you are getting this from. Alex stated multiple times he was not attacking milkis and was talking about journalism as a WHOLE. apologized BEFORE and AFTER if what he said will seem like he is attacking milkis. And yet after all of that you go "oh yeah he attacked milkis"
Ok..so this whole situation transpired because Milkis rightfully translated a comment that Coach lee made. Then he followed up doing the same with an interview on PlayXP. The translations were obviously biased at the time because the audience was only presented with one side of the story. Now Alex comments on "false journalism" because he felt that's what caused the whole situation to come into fruition. This comment happens during a debate with the man responsible for informing the public of this situation. Even if Alex denies attacking Milkis, WHY else would he make that comment? Of course he's going to say that he's not attacking anyone; he's a PR guy. You know how much shit he would get if he blatantly said your irresponsible. But the thing is, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the intent behind his words. What makes this especially heinous is that it's not Milkis's responsibility to give both sides of the story. He is a TRANSLATOR; it is his job to translate things that are happening in Korea. It's not his fault that the audience was only presented with one side of the story. It's EG's fault for taking so long to issue a public response. If they wanted people to hear both sides, then people like Sir Scoots should have said something other than "leave it to the internet to jump to conclusions" on his twitter.
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I think what we can summarize from this is that EG is really bad at PR and should consider getting a professional to handle such thing rather than Alex Garfield going on Weapon of Choice to debate over who is right and wrong.
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On July 22 2011 17:50 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 17:44 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:38 stangstang wrote:
just like the last thing they discussed. Alex was talking about responsible journalism as a whole. he kept saying he was NOT attacking milkis. then milkis suddenly gets all offended like Alex attacked him personally. Once again, there is no reason to even make that comment in front of Milkis if he wasn't meaning to attack Milkis. Also consider this. Milkis's translations are what started this PR mess. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the comment was aimed at him, even if Alex vehemently denies doing so. If i asked you why you were so invested in defending milkis would you give me a honest answer? I dont think its because Alex is being a dick. Ill admit im a fan of EGs, but I dont have anything against milkis. Infact, i know whats its like to be in his situation, where his opponent is one that is articulate and well spoken and you knew that you werent on his level. Its a hard spot to be in and he did it bravely. But his translation did blow this whole thing out of proportion. If the only thing left is Alex being a dick to milkis as your problem with EG, explain to me why milkis doesnt deserve some of the blame? He started a thread that had a 200 page flame war over nothing. And IMO, he was so emotionally charged he was fueling the flame war with his occasionally ambiguous posts.
well read my most recent post other than this...i don't want to type it again
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On July 22 2011 17:56 Eufouria wrote:
Also Alex from EG needs to learn that SC2 fans don't care about how a business works, and in fact most probably object to SC2 becoming more businesslike, although its really an inevitability. When you go on a show like SoTG and come from such a strong business angle you don't really do yourself any favours in terms of popularity. Also its a bit suspect that you went to ITG to do the interview, while I think djWHEAT did a great job and asked the right questions, EG still have some involvement in ITG and it could be seen a bit like Rupert Murdoch doing any interview on Sky or FOX.
One, it was on Weapon of Choice, a show that has been around since before onemoregame.tv was around. Its a djWHEAT production, not an EG one like ITG.
And people need to accept the fact that esports will become business like. It won't reach its potential without it.
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On July 22 2011 18:00 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 17:50 Angelbelow wrote:On July 22 2011 17:44 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:38 stangstang wrote:
just like the last thing they discussed. Alex was talking about responsible journalism as a whole. he kept saying he was NOT attacking milkis. then milkis suddenly gets all offended like Alex attacked him personally. Once again, there is no reason to even make that comment in front of Milkis if he wasn't meaning to attack Milkis. Also consider this. Milkis's translations are what started this PR mess. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the comment was aimed at him, even if Alex vehemently denies doing so. If i asked you why you were so invested in defending milkis would you give me a honest answer? I dont think its because Alex is being a dick. Ill admit im a fan of EGs, but I dont have anything against milkis. Infact, i know whats its like to be in his situation, where his opponent is one that is articulate and well spoken and you knew that you werent on his level. Its a hard spot to be in and he did it bravely. But his translation did blow this whole thing out of proportion. If the only thing left is Alex being a dick to milkis as your problem with EG, explain to me why milkis doesnt deserve some of the blame? He started a thread that had a 200 page flame war over nothing. And IMO, he was so emotionally charged he was fueling the flame war with his occasionally ambiguous posts. well read my most recent post other than this...i don't want to type it again
Thats the thing though, he didnt just translate. Hes was pretty worked up. He made quite a few tweets himself, he poured oil over the flame war. He was clearly emotionally invested into the story he translated as the story he was going to believe. After a nights rest and his conversation with Alex, I'm sure he has a new perspective. But emotions are a motherfucker and his were on display.
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Since Puma has no contract cant someone else poach him like Mouz, TL, etc..
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Oh wow. IMO EG should've talked to TSL before, but its understandable for Puma to want to go to a foreign team though.
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On July 22 2011 18:00 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 17:50 Angelbelow wrote:On July 22 2011 17:44 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:38 stangstang wrote:
just like the last thing they discussed. Alex was talking about responsible journalism as a whole. he kept saying he was NOT attacking milkis. then milkis suddenly gets all offended like Alex attacked him personally. Once again, there is no reason to even make that comment in front of Milkis if he wasn't meaning to attack Milkis. Also consider this. Milkis's translations are what started this PR mess. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the comment was aimed at him, even if Alex vehemently denies doing so. If i asked you why you were so invested in defending milkis would you give me a honest answer? I dont think its because Alex is being a dick. Ill admit im a fan of EGs, but I dont have anything against milkis. Infact, i know whats its like to be in his situation, where his opponent is one that is articulate and well spoken and you knew that you werent on his level. Its a hard spot to be in and he did it bravely. But his translation did blow this whole thing out of proportion. If the only thing left is Alex being a dick to milkis as your problem with EG, explain to me why milkis doesnt deserve some of the blame? He started a thread that had a 200 page flame war over nothing. And IMO, he was so emotionally charged he was fueling the flame war with his occasionally ambiguous posts. well read my most recent post other than this...i don't want to type it again
Finished reading your post. You have to realize by now that the information that he translated was not accurate. Even if thats what Coach Lee said, Puma was NOT a member of EG. The translations were emotionally driven around coach Lee feeling disgusted with EG signing puma behind their backs. But no agreement was officially made. It was false journalism.
Another thing is this, why does EG need to make a statement at all if Puma is not even an official member. What are they supposed to say. "EG has an announcement that we will make another announcement later this week when its official. (cue the inc joke)" The bottom line is the side of the story that was released was false. Puma did not sign with EG yet, I dont see why EG needs to make a statement.
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Great move by EG (edit: as well as FXO!) ! We as the foreign community need to eviscerate the Korean pro-scene internally while they are still weak. It's time for Korean dominance to end.
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On July 22 2011 18:02 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 18:00 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:50 Angelbelow wrote:On July 22 2011 17:44 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:38 stangstang wrote:
just like the last thing they discussed. Alex was talking about responsible journalism as a whole. he kept saying he was NOT attacking milkis. then milkis suddenly gets all offended like Alex attacked him personally. Once again, there is no reason to even make that comment in front of Milkis if he wasn't meaning to attack Milkis. Also consider this. Milkis's translations are what started this PR mess. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the comment was aimed at him, even if Alex vehemently denies doing so. If i asked you why you were so invested in defending milkis would you give me a honest answer? I dont think its because Alex is being a dick. Ill admit im a fan of EGs, but I dont have anything against milkis. Infact, i know whats its like to be in his situation, where his opponent is one that is articulate and well spoken and you knew that you werent on his level. Its a hard spot to be in and he did it bravely. But his translation did blow this whole thing out of proportion. If the only thing left is Alex being a dick to milkis as your problem with EG, explain to me why milkis doesnt deserve some of the blame? He started a thread that had a 200 page flame war over nothing. And IMO, he was so emotionally charged he was fueling the flame war with his occasionally ambiguous posts. well read my most recent post other than this...i don't want to type it again Thats the thing though, he didnt just translate. Hes was pretty worked up. He made quite a few tweets himself, he poured oil over the flame war. He was clearly emotionally invested into the story he translated as the story he was going to believe. After a nights rest and his conversation with Alex, I'm sure he has a new perspective. But emotions are a motherfucker and his were on display.
Show me all his tweets
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Wow this topic still going on?
EG just has no manners... as shown before... What more is there to talk about?
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Great move by EG definitely the smartest clan out there
of course they would pick Puma if the have the opportunity to dunno why you keep whining
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On July 22 2011 18:07 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 18:00 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:50 Angelbelow wrote:On July 22 2011 17:44 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:38 stangstang wrote:
just like the last thing they discussed. Alex was talking about responsible journalism as a whole. he kept saying he was NOT attacking milkis. then milkis suddenly gets all offended like Alex attacked him personally. Once again, there is no reason to even make that comment in front of Milkis if he wasn't meaning to attack Milkis. Also consider this. Milkis's translations are what started this PR mess. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the comment was aimed at him, even if Alex vehemently denies doing so. If i asked you why you were so invested in defending milkis would you give me a honest answer? I dont think its because Alex is being a dick. Ill admit im a fan of EGs, but I dont have anything against milkis. Infact, i know whats its like to be in his situation, where his opponent is one that is articulate and well spoken and you knew that you werent on his level. Its a hard spot to be in and he did it bravely. But his translation did blow this whole thing out of proportion. If the only thing left is Alex being a dick to milkis as your problem with EG, explain to me why milkis doesnt deserve some of the blame? He started a thread that had a 200 page flame war over nothing. And IMO, he was so emotionally charged he was fueling the flame war with his occasionally ambiguous posts. well read my most recent post other than this...i don't want to type it again Finished reading your post. You have to realize by now that the information that he translated was not accurate. Even if thats what Coach Lee said, Puma was NOT a member of EG. The translations were emotionally driven around coach Lee feeling disgusted with EG signing puma behind their backs. But no agreement was officially made. It was false journalism. Another thing is this, why does EG need to make a statement at all if Puma is not even an official member. What are they supposed to say. "EG has an announcement that we will make another announcement later this week when its official. (cue the inc joke)" The bottom line is the side of the story that was released was false. Puma did not sign with EG yet, I dont see why EG needs to make a statement.
Once again it's not his job to find out the validity behind it. He is a TRANSLATOR. All he did was translate what coach lee said. It wasn't HIM making false accusations.
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FFS are people still trying to pin the blame on Milkis for sharing information posted by SOMEONE ELSE? God fucking forbid all translaters quit because of this shit and we're left in the dark to only eat up western PR for information. That'll be a sad day.
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On July 22 2011 18:01 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 17:56 Eufouria wrote:
Also Alex from EG needs to learn that SC2 fans don't care about how a business works, and in fact most probably object to SC2 becoming more businesslike, although its really an inevitability. When you go on a show like SoTG and come from such a strong business angle you don't really do yourself any favours in terms of popularity. Also its a bit suspect that you went to ITG to do the interview, while I think djWHEAT did a great job and asked the right questions, EG still have some involvement in ITG and it could be seen a bit like Rupert Murdoch doing any interview on Sky or FOX. One, it was on Weapon of Choice, a show that has been around since before onemoregame.tv was around. Its a djWHEAT production, not an EG one like ITG. And people need to accept the fact that esports will become business like. It won't reach its potential without it.
ITG has been around since around 2004
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On July 22 2011 18:09 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 18:02 Angelbelow wrote:On July 22 2011 18:00 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:50 Angelbelow wrote:On July 22 2011 17:44 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 22 2011 17:38 stangstang wrote:
just like the last thing they discussed. Alex was talking about responsible journalism as a whole. he kept saying he was NOT attacking milkis. then milkis suddenly gets all offended like Alex attacked him personally. Once again, there is no reason to even make that comment in front of Milkis if he wasn't meaning to attack Milkis. Also consider this. Milkis's translations are what started this PR mess. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the comment was aimed at him, even if Alex vehemently denies doing so. If i asked you why you were so invested in defending milkis would you give me a honest answer? I dont think its because Alex is being a dick. Ill admit im a fan of EGs, but I dont have anything against milkis. Infact, i know whats its like to be in his situation, where his opponent is one that is articulate and well spoken and you knew that you werent on his level. Its a hard spot to be in and he did it bravely. But his translation did blow this whole thing out of proportion. If the only thing left is Alex being a dick to milkis as your problem with EG, explain to me why milkis doesnt deserve some of the blame? He started a thread that had a 200 page flame war over nothing. And IMO, he was so emotionally charged he was fueling the flame war with his occasionally ambiguous posts. well read my most recent post other than this...i don't want to type it again Thats the thing though, he didnt just translate. Hes was pretty worked up. He made quite a few tweets himself, he poured oil over the flame war. He was clearly emotionally invested into the story he translated as the story he was going to believe. After a nights rest and his conversation with Alex, I'm sure he has a new perspective. But emotions are a motherfucker and his were on display. Show me all his tweets
hmm its somewhere in these 300 pages =p. Hold on... you search too see who gets it first.
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On July 22 2011 18:01 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 17:56 Eufouria wrote:
Also Alex from EG needs to learn that SC2 fans don't care about how a business works, and in fact most probably object to SC2 becoming more businesslike, although its really an inevitability. When you go on a show like SoTG and come from such a strong business angle you don't really do yourself any favours in terms of popularity. Also its a bit suspect that you went to ITG to do the interview, while I think djWHEAT did a great job and asked the right questions, EG still have some involvement in ITG and it could be seen a bit like Rupert Murdoch doing any interview on Sky or FOX. One, it was on Weapon of Choice, a show that has been around since before onemoregame.tv was around. Its a djWHEAT production, not an EG one like ITG. And people need to accept the fact that esports will become business like. It won't reach its potential without it.
Oh my bad. I knew that it wasn't the show that EG had partly caused to be set up but the fact that they are both produced by the same man means that is one possible angle people could take, so they should be careful in the future. I don't think WHEAT displayed any bias at all, but I'm just saying that they should be cautious of constantly going to djWHEAT productions to defend themselves.
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On July 22 2011 18:13 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 18:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 22 2011 17:56 Eufouria wrote:
Also Alex from EG needs to learn that SC2 fans don't care about how a business works, and in fact most probably object to SC2 becoming more businesslike, although its really an inevitability. When you go on a show like SoTG and come from such a strong business angle you don't really do yourself any favours in terms of popularity. Also its a bit suspect that you went to ITG to do the interview, while I think djWHEAT did a great job and asked the right questions, EG still have some involvement in ITG and it could be seen a bit like Rupert Murdoch doing any interview on Sky or FOX. One, it was on Weapon of Choice, a show that has been around since before onemoregame.tv was around. Its a djWHEAT production, not an EG one like ITG. And people need to accept the fact that esports will become business like. It won't reach its potential without it. Oh my bad. I knew that it wasn't the show that EG had partly caused to be set up but the fact that they are both produced by the same man that is one possible angle people could take, so they should be careful in the future. I don't think WHEAT displayed any bias at all, but I'm just saying that they should be cautious of constantly going to djWHEAT productions to defend themselves.
Actually he was pretty biased
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I am not sure what is community's opinion but props to Milkis for keeping cool head (fairly cool head ^__^) and I fully support you and your point.
Also to djwheat: STOP BEING FUCKING ONE-SIDED, it ruins the show. It felt like I was watching Fox News.
On July 22 2011 09:55 Midgetman101 wrote:
Love the DJwheat cutoff on Milkis.
On July 22 2011 09:55 Xax wrote:
Wow, Milkis gets cut off, AG gets to make a point and say stuff like "lets agree on" and end on it.
wow.
On July 22 2011 09:55 DrunkenTemplar wrote:
Fuck me, is this show for real? As soon as Milkis gets a chance to respond, djwheat cuts him off
On July 22 2011 09:55 SonicBoxer wrote:
DJ (I'm going to stop you there Milkis) or (I know where you are coming form Alex) Wheat.
On July 22 2011 09:56 MonkSEA wrote:
Wow I've lost pretty much all respect for wheat right now. I used to enjoy these topics and all that but now it's just these two people bashing on someone and not letting the bashed able to defend.
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