On July 22 2011 17:09 SebaZ wrote: Wow, this whole thing seems to have been blown out of proportion. From what I understand it all comes down to EG thinking it was fine to let Puma handle things with TSL, while TSL thought they should have been contacted directly and would have liked a slower approach to the thing. Can't see why this is such a big deal.
Bingo, you got it. It was misunderstanding and some cultural differences, that is about all. Nothing evil or malicious here.
Did YOU actually listen to the interview ? They approached players with offers of how they would support them etc. That is completely different from harmlessly handing someone a business card.
Since when is the grand finals of a months long tournament a business conference? What a thoroughly terrible analogy.
KESPA is yet another terrible example to bring up because SC2 is not under a regulated organization.
Why did I even bother replying to your idiocy ? rofl.
No, EG (Alex) was there looking for players, something that is completely ok. The reason he made contact with Sen is because Sen's contract ends soon, and if he simply asked do you have any interest in joining EG, that is also ok. Alex said he was handing out business cards then handed one out to Puma. Puma showed interest and asked about details. Alex told him the details and Puma and Alex decided it would be better to let Puma explain it to coach Lee. The miscommunication occurs somewhere between coach Lee and Puma. And the reason he pointed out KESPA is because you seem to think that in korea deals are made with trust not contracts.
That is not how Alex described his initial contact with Puma on WoC.
I completely understand the necessity of contracts. I live in the west where a person's honor and word are completely worthless. My point is that TSL operated on an honor based system without any problems whatsoever until a foreign organization interfered and completely blew everything out of the water.
Blaming TSL for not contracting their players is the same exact thing as saying it is the victims fault if they forget to lock their car and it gets broken into or a woman gets raped for dressing too provocatively. I guess TSL 'had it coming' when they let a player come to the US to play in a tournament unaccompanied by management like that.
....You keep getting worse, what the hell.
First you compare EGs hiring a player to them dumping toxic waste and killing people and now you're fucking comparing it to raping someone for dressing provocatively?
Dumping toxic waste and killing people ? What in the world are you even talking about ?
I guess they don't stress reading comprehension in Canadian curriculum. They obviously don't place any emphasis on critical thought, either.
I was using a literary device known as hyperbole to expose the faulty logic that constitutes the foundation of your whole argument.
'herp derp no contrakt they got what dey deserve'
I never even heard anything about Sen being approached, but it honestly does not surprise me. The 'miscommunication', as you term it, should have never even had the opportunity to have taken place because if EG had any respect whatsoever they would have contacted TSL's management in regards to Puma before talking about any specifics or promises directly with the player.
Hrrm, lets hope i can make my point without getting into this stupid fight.
I think that the view 'if EG had any respect whatsoever they woudl have contacted TSL's management' first is bit simplistic .. do you really think this happens in professional sports (Football, Baseball, Australian Rules, Rugby, Tennis, whatever!)??
I understand these things are prevented by the rules in place by certain player associations in these sports, but really , do we honestly think that talent agents, team owners, etc, dont 'wine and dine' certain prospects they want to sign?
That they dont slide a business card into the hottest new NBA players hand , despite the fact they might be legally contracted, just as a 'call me if you want to talk' gesture?
Im not saying i agree with what EG did as a whole, but this happens the world over. ... And i would LOVE for eSports to be different, to be the change we would all love to see ... I doubt it though
Did YOU actually listen to the interview ? They approached players with offers of how they would support them etc. That is completely different from harmlessly handing someone a business card.
Since when is the grand finals of a months long tournament a business conference? What a thoroughly terrible analogy.
KESPA is yet another terrible example to bring up because SC2 is not under a regulated organization.
Why did I even bother replying to your idiocy ? rofl.
No, EG (Alex) was there looking for players, something that is completely ok. The reason he made contact with Sen is because Sen's contract ends soon, and if he simply asked do you have any interest in joining EG, that is also ok. Alex said he was handing out business cards then handed one out to Puma. Puma showed interest and asked about details. Alex told him the details and Puma and Alex decided it would be better to let Puma explain it to coach Lee. The miscommunication occurs somewhere between coach Lee and Puma. And the reason he pointed out KESPA is because you seem to think that in korea deals are made with trust not contracts.
That is not how Alex described his initial contact with Puma on WoC.
I completely understand the necessity of contracts. I live in the west where a person's honor and word are completely worthless. My point is that TSL operated on an honor based system without any problems whatsoever until a foreign organization interfered and completely blew everything out of the water.
Blaming TSL for not contracting their players is the same exact thing as saying it is the victims fault if they forget to lock their car and it gets broken into or a woman gets raped for dressing too provocatively. I guess TSL 'had it coming' when they let a player come to the US to play in a tournament unaccompanied by management like that.
....You keep getting worse, what the hell.
First you compare EGs hiring a player to them dumping toxic waste and killing people and now you're fucking comparing it to raping someone for dressing provocatively?
Dumping toxic waste and killing people ? What in the world are you even talking about ?
I guess they don't stress reading comprehension in Canadian curriculum. They obviously don't place any emphasis on critical thought, either.
I was using a literary device known as hyperbole to expose the faulty logic that constitutes the foundation of your whole argument.
'herp derp no contrakt they got what dey deserve'
I never even heard anything about Sen being approached, but it honestly does not surprise me. The 'miscommunication', as you term it, should have never even had the opportunity to have taken place because if EG had any respect whatsoever they would have contacted TSL's management in regards to Puma before talking about any specifics or promises directly with the player.
Hrrm, lets hope i can make my point without getting into this stupid fight.
I think that the view 'if EG had any respect whatsoever they woudl have contacted TSL's management' first is bit simplistic .. do you really think this happens in professional sports (Football, Baseball, Australian Rules, Rugby, Tennis, whatever!)??
I understand these things are prevented by the rules in place by certain player associations in these sports, but really , do we honestly think that talent agents, team owners, etc, dont 'wine and dine' certain prospects they want to sign?
That they dont slide a business card into the hottest new NBA players hand , despite the fact they might be legally contracted, just as a 'call me if you want to talk' gesture?
Im not saying i agree with what EG did as a whole, but this happens the world over. ... And i would LOVE for eSports to be different, to be the change we would all love to see ... I doubt it though
...also, to expand which not enough people are talking about, is that IF EG had talked to the coaches first, against Puma's will and the decision they made together, then they would have been disrespecting the player. If it a choice between disrespecting a team that is falling apart or the awesome player that you want to sign, I will take the team, but I still don't think that they intentionally disrespected anyone.
On July 22 2011 15:52 BackSideAttack wrote: Due to popular demand i went ahead and compiled all the sponsors EG has listed on their website. So if anyone wants to boycott their products here they are:
Intel, Steel Series, Monster Energy, Kingston HyperX, In Win development Inc, 6 pool gaming, BigFoot Networks, Split Reason Clothing, Inferno Online, G7 Teams, NFO Servers, Ventrilo.net
You can also contact the companies and explain your views of the situation. It may not get anything done/accomplished but hey freedom of speech.
wtf u cant boycott Intel...There the only good company with good processor chipd (i7 best on the market)
and my new computer came with some bigfoot network crap installed on it. LOL.
You most certainly can boycott companies. Every computer component I buy is a choice I make. I can choose to support a company like Intel or I can choose to support someone else. Your argument does not hold any weight.
On July 22 2011 15:52 BackSideAttack wrote: Due to popular demand i went ahead and compiled all the sponsors EG has listed on their website. So if anyone wants to boycott their products here they are:
Intel, Steel Series, Monster Energy, Kingston HyperX, In Win development Inc, 6 pool gaming, BigFoot Networks, Split Reason Clothing, Inferno Online, G7 Teams, NFO Servers, Ventrilo.net
Never used any of those except the first one in the list cuz there's only like two companies that make x86 procs
mumble has less delay compared to the last one in that list
kingston uses Elpida instead of D9's for ICs/chips...
Did YOU actually listen to the interview ? They approached players with offers of how they would support them etc. That is completely different from harmlessly handing someone a business card.
Since when is the grand finals of a months long tournament a business conference? What a thoroughly terrible analogy.
KESPA is yet another terrible example to bring up because SC2 is not under a regulated organization.
Why did I even bother replying to your idiocy ? rofl.
No, EG (Alex) was there looking for players, something that is completely ok. The reason he made contact with Sen is because Sen's contract ends soon, and if he simply asked do you have any interest in joining EG, that is also ok. Alex said he was handing out business cards then handed one out to Puma. Puma showed interest and asked about details. Alex told him the details and Puma and Alex decided it would be better to let Puma explain it to coach Lee. The miscommunication occurs somewhere between coach Lee and Puma. And the reason he pointed out KESPA is because you seem to think that in korea deals are made with trust not contracts.
That is not how Alex described his initial contact with Puma on WoC.
I completely understand the necessity of contracts. I live in the west where a person's honor and word are completely worthless. My point is that TSL operated on an honor based system without any problems whatsoever until a foreign organization interfered and completely blew everything out of the water.
Blaming TSL for not contracting their players is the same exact thing as saying it is the victims fault if they forget to lock their car and it gets broken into or a woman gets raped for dressing too provocatively. I guess TSL 'had it coming' when they let a player come to the US to play in a tournament unaccompanied by management like that.
....You keep getting worse, what the hell.
First you compare EGs hiring a player to them dumping toxic waste and killing people and now you're fucking comparing it to raping someone for dressing provocatively?
Dumping toxic waste and killing people ? What in the world are you even talking about ?
I guess they don't stress reading comprehension in Canadian curriculum. They obviously don't place any emphasis on critical thought, either.
I was using a literary device known as hyperbole to expose the faulty logic that constitutes the foundation of your whole argument.
'herp derp no contrakt they got what dey deserve'
I never even heard anything about Sen being approached, but it honestly does not surprise me. The 'miscommunication', as you term it, should have never even had the opportunity to have taken place because if EG had any respect whatsoever they would have contacted TSL's management in regards to Puma before talking about any specifics or promises directly with the player.
Hrrm, lets hope i can make my point without getting into this stupid fight.
I think that the view 'if EG had any respect whatsoever they woudl have contacted TSL's management' first is bit simplistic .. do you really think this happens in professional sports (Football, Baseball, Australian Rules, Rugby, Tennis, whatever!)??
I understand these things are prevented by the rules in place by certain player associations in these sports, but really , do we honestly think that talent agents, team owners, etc, dont 'wine and dine' certain prospects they want to sign?
That they dont slide a business card into the hottest new NBA players hand , despite the fact they might be legally contracted, just as a 'call me if you want to talk' gesture?
Im not saying i agree with what EG did as a whole, but this happens the world over. ... And i would LOVE for eSports to be different, to be the change we would all love to see ... I doubt it though
So your argument consists of something along the lines of : 'well, everyone else breaks the rules so why not sc2 teams !>??'
I understand how you would term my point of view as being an oversimplification; however, I would describe my own view as being too idealistic.
ONCE AGAIN : just handing someone a card is completely different from approaching them with promises, etc. multiple times at one event. I do not care in the slightest if people want to simply hand out business cards. If a player initiates contact, then sure tell them what you have to offer.
Honestly, I think that we both think very similarly in regards to this topic. The only reason that I am annoyed by Pumagate is because I view this as the beginning of the downward spiral of legitimacy in the SC2 scene.
posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Did YOU actually listen to the interview ? They approached players with offers of how they would support them etc. That is completely different from harmlessly handing someone a business card.
Since when is the grand finals of a months long tournament a business conference? What a thoroughly terrible analogy.
KESPA is yet another terrible example to bring up because SC2 is not under a regulated organization.
Why did I even bother replying to your idiocy ? rofl.
No, EG (Alex) was there looking for players, something that is completely ok. The reason he made contact with Sen is because Sen's contract ends soon, and if he simply asked do you have any interest in joining EG, that is also ok. Alex said he was handing out business cards then handed one out to Puma. Puma showed interest and asked about details. Alex told him the details and Puma and Alex decided it would be better to let Puma explain it to coach Lee. The miscommunication occurs somewhere between coach Lee and Puma. And the reason he pointed out KESPA is because you seem to think that in korea deals are made with trust not contracts.
That is not how Alex described his initial contact with Puma on WoC.
I completely understand the necessity of contracts. I live in the west where a person's honor and word are completely worthless. My point is that TSL operated on an honor based system without any problems whatsoever until a foreign organization interfered and completely blew everything out of the water.
Blaming TSL for not contracting their players is the same exact thing as saying it is the victims fault if they forget to lock their car and it gets broken into or a woman gets raped for dressing too provocatively. I guess TSL 'had it coming' when they let a player come to the US to play in a tournament unaccompanied by management like that.
....You keep getting worse, what the hell.
First you compare EGs hiring a player to them dumping toxic waste and killing people and now you're fucking comparing it to raping someone for dressing provocatively?
Dumping toxic waste and killing people ? What in the world are you even talking about ?
I guess they don't stress reading comprehension in Canadian curriculum. They obviously don't place any emphasis on critical thought, either.
I was using a literary device known as hyperbole to expose the faulty logic that constitutes the foundation of your whole argument.
'herp derp no contrakt they got what dey deserve'
I never even heard anything about Sen being approached, but it honestly does not surprise me. The 'miscommunication', as you term it, should have never even had the opportunity to have taken place because if EG had any respect whatsoever they would have contacted TSL's management in regards to Puma before talking about any specifics or promises directly with the player.
Hrrm, lets hope i can make my point without getting into this stupid fight.
I think that the view 'if EG had any respect whatsoever they woudl have contacted TSL's management' first is bit simplistic .. do you really think this happens in professional sports (Football, Baseball, Australian Rules, Rugby, Tennis, whatever!)??
I understand these things are prevented by the rules in place by certain player associations in these sports, but really , do we honestly think that talent agents, team owners, etc, dont 'wine and dine' certain prospects they want to sign?
That they dont slide a business card into the hottest new NBA players hand , despite the fact they might be legally contracted, just as a 'call me if you want to talk' gesture?
Im not saying i agree with what EG did as a whole, but this happens the world over. ... And i would LOVE for eSports to be different, to be the change we would all love to see ... I doubt it though
So your argument consists of something along the lines of : 'well, everyone else breaks the rules so why not sc2 teams !>??'
I understand how you would term my point of view as being an oversimplification; however, I would describe my own view as being too idealistic.
ONCE AGAIN : just handing someone a card is completely different from approaching them with promises, etc. multiple times at one event. I do not care in the slightest if people want to simply hand out business cards. If a player initiates contact, then sure tell them what you have to offer.
Honestly, I think that we both think very similarly in regards to this topic. The only reason that I am annoyed by Pumagate is because I view this as the beginning of the downward spiral of legitimacy in the SC2 scene.
I have to disagree with your last point. I think this almost legitimizes it. In the beginnings of all sports they have had issues like this. It does not necessary make it right, but it does mean that it could be the start on the path to some better organization and therefore legitimacy. If there was nothing unethical at some point, then we would not have the rules in other sports like we do today.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
Did YOU actually listen to the interview ? They approached players with offers of how they would support them etc. That is completely different from harmlessly handing someone a business card.
Since when is the grand finals of a months long tournament a business conference? What a thoroughly terrible analogy.
KESPA is yet another terrible example to bring up because SC2 is not under a regulated organization.
Why did I even bother replying to your idiocy ? rofl.
No, EG (Alex) was there looking for players, something that is completely ok. The reason he made contact with Sen is because Sen's contract ends soon, and if he simply asked do you have any interest in joining EG, that is also ok. Alex said he was handing out business cards then handed one out to Puma. Puma showed interest and asked about details. Alex told him the details and Puma and Alex decided it would be better to let Puma explain it to coach Lee. The miscommunication occurs somewhere between coach Lee and Puma. And the reason he pointed out KESPA is because you seem to think that in korea deals are made with trust not contracts.
That is not how Alex described his initial contact with Puma on WoC.
I completely understand the necessity of contracts. I live in the west where a person's honor and word are completely worthless. My point is that TSL operated on an honor based system without any problems whatsoever until a foreign organization interfered and completely blew everything out of the water.
Blaming TSL for not contracting their players is the same exact thing as saying it is the victims fault if they forget to lock their car and it gets broken into or a woman gets raped for dressing too provocatively. I guess TSL 'had it coming' when they let a player come to the US to play in a tournament unaccompanied by management like that.
....You keep getting worse, what the hell.
First you compare EGs hiring a player to them dumping toxic waste and killing people and now you're fucking comparing it to raping someone for dressing provocatively?
I wish I had a goddamn report button.
Dumping toxic waste and killing people ? What in the world are you even talking about ?
I was using a literary device known as hyperbole to expose the faulty logic that constitutes the foundation of your whole argument.
'herp derp no contrakt they got what dey deserve'
I never even heard anything about Sen being approached, but it honestly does not surprise me. The 'miscommunication', as you term it, should have never even had the opportunity to have taken place because if EG had any respect whatsoever they would have contacted TSL's management in regards to Puma before talking about any specifics or promises directly with the player.
How exactly is Puma under TSL management without a contract? He wins a huge tournament, gets offered a REAL contract, and then his coach acts like a victim. I would call that disrespectful.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
how? please explain how he disrespected milkis.
If you watched Weapon of Choice today, Alex continuously interrupted and talked over Milkis whenever he was trying to make a point. Then at the end he attacked Milkis for "false journalism" when all he did was translate an article on play XP. Respect starts with giving the other party the time of day to make a point. Even if Alex was 100% correct, it is still disrespectful for him to do what he did.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
Ill listen to the rest and give me opinion. I will say that before I left i didn't really feel like milkis brought anything to table other than keep sc2 in korea.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
People actually act like TSL is paying them or something...blablabla....
Did YOU actually listen to the interview ? They approached players with offers of how they would support them etc. That is completely different from harmlessly handing someone a business card.
Since when is the grand finals of a months long tournament a business conference? What a thoroughly terrible analogy.
KESPA is yet another terrible example to bring up because SC2 is not under a regulated organization.
Why did I even bother replying to your idiocy ? rofl.
No, EG (Alex) was there looking for players, something that is completely ok. The reason he made contact with Sen is because Sen's contract ends soon, and if he simply asked do you have any interest in joining EG, that is also ok. Alex said he was handing out business cards then handed one out to Puma. Puma showed interest and asked about details. Alex told him the details and Puma and Alex decided it would be better to let Puma explain it to coach Lee. The miscommunication occurs somewhere between coach Lee and Puma. And the reason he pointed out KESPA is because you seem to think that in korea deals are made with trust not contracts.
That is not how Alex described his initial contact with Puma on WoC.
I completely understand the necessity of contracts. I live in the west where a person's honor and word are completely worthless. My point is that TSL operated on an honor based system without any problems whatsoever until a foreign organization interfered and completely blew everything out of the water.
Blaming TSL for not contracting their players is the same exact thing as saying it is the victims fault if they forget to lock their car and it gets broken into or a woman gets raped for dressing too provocatively. I guess TSL 'had it coming' when they let a player come to the US to play in a tournament unaccompanied by management like that.
....You keep getting worse, what the hell.
First you compare EGs hiring a player to them dumping toxic waste and killing people and now you're fucking comparing it to raping someone for dressing provocatively?
Dumping toxic waste and killing people ? What in the world are you even talking about ?
I guess they don't stress reading comprehension in Canadian curriculum. They obviously don't place any emphasis on critical thought, either.
I was using a literary device known as hyperbole to expose the faulty logic that constitutes the foundation of your whole argument.
'herp derp no contrakt they got what dey deserve'
I never even heard anything about Sen being approached, but it honestly does not surprise me. The 'miscommunication', as you term it, should have never even had the opportunity to have taken place because if EG had any respect whatsoever they would have contacted TSL's management in regards to Puma before talking about any specifics or promises directly with the player.
Hrrm, lets hope i can make my point without getting into this stupid fight.
I think that the view 'if EG had any respect whatsoever they woudl have contacted TSL's management' first is bit simplistic .. do you really think this happens in professional sports (Football, Baseball, Australian Rules, Rugby, Tennis, whatever!)?? (
I don't see how that has anything to do with Starcraft though.
If teams and managers are going to behave like football or basketball agents behave, then they need to be made to realize that there is no acceptance or sympathy for that in Starcraft community. At least that's the way I would personally want it to be, and I try to make it so.
The worst thing we can do is just say "well that's just business" and let it slide. It's basically inviting EG as well as other teams to do similar shit again, or go for even shadier deals in the future because they've convinced everyone to accept it because "that's how business in sports work".
Whereas if every such deal is followed by an outrage thread like this, the teams might think twice about the backlash and negative reputation they will get before going for it.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
how? please explain how he disrespected milkis.
If you watched Weapon of Choice today, Alex continuously interrupted and talked over Milkis whenever he was trying to make a point. Then at the end he attacked Milkis for "false journalism" when all he did was translate an article on play XP. Respect starts with giving the other party the time of day to make a point. Even if Alex was 100% correct, it is still disrespectful for him to do what he did.
Respect starts with contacting the management of another team before you try to offer one of their players anything as well.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
how? please explain how he disrespected milkis.
If you watched Weapon of Choice today, Alex continuously interrupted and talked over Milkis whenever he was trying to make a point. Then at the end he attacked Milkis for "false journalism" when all he did was translate an article on play XP. Respect starts with giving the other party the time of day to make a point. Even if Alex was 100% correct, it is still disrespectful for him to do what he did.
He corrected milkis for falsely quoting him. he never attacked milkis for false journalism. he stated that before he even started making his point.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
how? please explain how he disrespected milkis.
If you watched Weapon of Choice today, Alex continuously interrupted and talked over Milkis whenever he was trying to make a point. Then at the end he attacked Milkis for "false journalism" when all he did was translate an article on play XP. Respect starts with giving the other party the time of day to make a point. Even if Alex was 100% correct, it is still disrespectful for him to do what he did.
The parts that I listened to, I agree that Alex did cut him off but I felt that it was cause milkis either didnt understand the point or he couldnt pull together the right words to use and was interpreted another way.
At one point he said "So EG is looking for an easy way into korea?" I didnt feel like thats what milkis was trying to say but the way he worded is problem.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
how? please explain how he disrespected milkis.
If you watched Weapon of Choice today, Alex continuously interrupted and talked over Milkis whenever he was trying to make a point. Then at the end he attacked Milkis for "false journalism" when all he did was translate an article on play XP. Respect starts with giving the other party the time of day to make a point. Even if Alex was 100% correct, it is still disrespectful for him to do what he did.
Respect starts with contacting the management of another team before you try to offer one of their players anything as well.
Well, that's not surprising, EG is simply a manifestation of the bm that is EG's owner.
On July 22 2011 17:20 Angelbelow wrote: posters are actually serious about boycotting the sponsors? lol.. how can they still be that butthurt.
I listened to half of weapon of choice then I had to go. Did I miss something between now and then? Didn't most of these issues get cleared up? EG hasn't even signed Puma yet. Puma is not a free agent after he left TSL.
Whats everyone worked up about now?
The owner of EG was a dick a blatantly disrespected Milkis.
Ill listen to the rest and give me opinion. I will say that before I left i didn't really feel like milkis brought anything to table other than keep sc2 in korea.
Well it doesn't matter what Milkis said. As the executive director and owner of EG, Alex could have at least let Milkis speak uninterrupted, even if he disagreed with the points.
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