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Nuri
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand280 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5721
On July 22 2011 10:01 Yew wrote:
Isn't wheat backed by EG anyway?

yup hence his ridoncilious bias with EG.
The biggest risk in life is not taking any risks at all
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5722
On July 22 2011 10:00 Mioraka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:58 VillageBC wrote:
milki's can't just hide behind the 'i'm just translating' label while at the same time slanting that translation with his bias. I don't care, I think EG is right.. Milki's is overly concerned with Korean culture and TL is ruining e-sports.


LOL

I don't even know what to say.

Here is your news ladies and gentlemen, TEAMLIQUID IS RUINING ESPORTS.

HAHAHAHAHAH so good.
d=(^_^)z
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5723
Here is my final .02 although nobody probably cares

-EG was totally wrong in their approach
-Milkis was generally correct on most of his points however the whole "journalistic accountability" can even be shown in the whole Slayers_Jessica thing too. and I think it applies here
-Alex Garfield layed out his points pretty cut and dry, I'm upset he didn't admit as much fault into their approach, I felt he sidestepped his approach, but he did make good points on other things
- Half the people in this thread that are getting so worked up as to call Djwheat anything other than a devils advocate need to calm down and step back.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5724
On July 22 2011 10:01 Yew wrote:
Isn't wheat backed by EG anyway?


Yes, which is why he cut off Milkis as he made valid points. This whole thing felt structured to make EG look good. Unfortunately, it totally backfired.
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5725
On July 22 2011 09:59 saint_d wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:57 moopie wrote:
This is the first time I have ever listened to DJ Wheat (and likely last) but dude, terrible moderation.

Milkis translates article, people (including Milkis) ask for EG's response on twitter, EG keeps quiet for a whole day (aside from INcontroL trolling with silly tweets), then EG blames Milkis for faulty journalism.

/facepalm.

Milkis tweeted Scoot's personal twitter asking for a response. He didn't tweet the TSL Coach's personal twitter did he? There's other ways to contact people than through public personal twitter accounts. Milkis made no attempt to contact anyone in private.


Isn't scoots on his way to chino? Anyway, its not milkis' responsibility to get a statement from eg. If they had contacted him with a statement which he chose to omit it would be a different story.
hot fuh days
InstantKarma
Profile Joined November 2010
United States205 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5726
Puma isn't a slave of TSL. Puma wasn't under contract at the time he spoke with EG. It wasn't wrong of Eg to not consult TSL because TSL shouldn't have a say in the matter. It's Puma decision to make. What matters most is that the players should come first and if Puma decides that EG is better for him than there shouldn't be an issue if there are no legal problems.
Hold-Lurker
Profile Joined October 2007
United States403 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5727
Agreed with AG on most of the points about the contracting/TSL/Puma... completely disagreed with him on holding TL posters to journalistic standards..

Lots of media can have vast repercussions on other organizations (e.g., celebrity tweeting about something, correctly or incorrectly).
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5728
Man, I'm a Wheat fan but after that, I must say I'm a little disappointed in him.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5729
lol AG is full of shit now, TSL manage to make 3 statement before EG . The worse is that most of us try to get EG to respond (ie sirscoot) and they didnt respond promptly. EG made 3 mistake, the first one is minor which is they didnt research Korean culture before doing their bid so miscommunication occurs. The second one is they respond too slowly to the incident,which in my opinion, is a bad business decision. The third one is to try to passive-aggresively shift the 'blame' to others?
:)
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5730
milkis's comment on why insular korean systems are bad was a pretty retarded thing to say but apart from that the only thing that has really got under my skin is AG asking why milkis didnt ask for a statement from them. pretty easy to point out why thats retarded.

1. if EG had actually published a statement in the last 12 hours it would of been edited into the OP

2. the only reason AG asked for this was because who made the post, not why. if a random TL user had posted this the thread would of still blown up but he wouldnt be crying that milkis isnt being fair.

3. it was only a month ago that EG used the defence "its not our place to talk for others, we make our statements and others should make theirs" in defence of the EG-TL drama storm. you cant take that defence then claim that TL, as a company above being just a forum, needs to ask you about your position before every piece of news
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
July 22 2011 01:02 GMT
#5731
On July 22 2011 10:02 Nuri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:01 Yew wrote:
Isn't wheat backed by EG anyway?

yup hence his ridoncilious bias with EG.


Being backed by EG is not =/= running OMG.tv with someone who works with EG.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 22 2011 01:03 GMT
#5732
Poll: Who are you siding with?

MILKIS (172)
 
65%

AG (61)
 
23%

No one (33)
 
12%

266 total votes

Your vote: Who are you siding with?

(Vote): AG
(Vote): MILKIS
(Vote): No one



Bumping this up again now that its almost over.
Dear Sixsmith...
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
July 22 2011 01:03 GMT
#5733
Are there Weapon of Choice VODs?? I missed everything
SooYoung-Noona!
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 22 2011 01:03 GMT
#5734
Is Wheat really comparing this to a professional SC2 team who is in the middle of the biggest SC2 team league in the world?
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 22 2011 01:03 GMT
#5735
On July 22 2011 10:00 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:58 VillageBC wrote:
milki's can't just hide behind the 'i'm just translating' label while at the same time slanting that translation with his bias. I don't care, I think EG is right.. Milki's is overly concerned with Korean culture and TL is ruining e-sports.


If the translations is accurate he can say whatever he likes about it. You know like any of us.

But to be fair, when Milkis then continues on to say things like "if you don't understand why this is such a big deal, then you just don't understand Korean culture" in a pretty condescending manner. It's obvious that Milkis was very biased in how he carried out the whole thing.
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
July 22 2011 01:03 GMT
#5736
On July 22 2011 10:02 taLbuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:02 Nuri wrote:
On July 22 2011 10:01 Yew wrote:
Isn't wheat backed by EG anyway?

yup hence his ridoncilious bias with EG.


Being backed by EG is not =/= running OMG.tv with someone who works with EG.


His entire new show setup is sponsored by steelseries which was setup by EG reps.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 01:05:12
July 22 2011 01:03 GMT
#5737
On July 22 2011 09:58 Tula wrote:
tbh Milkis on this point you are pretty much wrong.

If you post something inflamatory according to your opinion, you need to give both parties a chance to comment. You say why should we contact EG, we are volunteers etc. etc.

Well actually thats a part of western culture you seem to be ignoring fairly comfortably. It's considered very very rude for any newspaper to simply post one side of a story without giving the other side a chance to comment (even if that answer is often only a "no comment at this time"). And yes that is also an unwritten law for volunteers.

Maybe you should consider THAT next time you stress that "we" need to pay attention to Korean culture. Maybe we do, and maybe we don't, but if we need to, than certainly so do you.

If you translate a post to some extent it becomes yours, unless you clearly state that you have no opinion you just translated it.

Closing note: If the Korean teams want to keep their players the answer is quite simple. Make them happy and pay them well. If they don't they WILL be poached as soon as they are not protected by contracts and no amount of crying that that isn't fair will protect them from it.


From the sound of it, you don't know how journalism works.

Sensationalism 101

There are many journalists out there who don't get all the facts.

The Korean culture is very different from the Western world. Everyone should have a little respect for each other. The business structures are different. At the end of the day, business is business.

It was under the table. There was no contact with Lee or anyone else in TSL.
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
July 22 2011 01:03 GMT
#5738
On July 22 2011 10:02 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:00 Mioraka wrote:
On July 22 2011 09:58 VillageBC wrote:
milki's can't just hide behind the 'i'm just translating' label while at the same time slanting that translation with his bias. I don't care, I think EG is right.. Milki's is overly concerned with Korean culture and TL is ruining e-sports.


LOL

I don't even know what to say.

Here is your news ladies and gentlemen, TEAMLIQUID IS RUINING ESPORTS.

HAHAHAHAHAH so good.


What, you guys need a sarcasm tag to understand it?
Nuri
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand280 Posts
July 22 2011 01:03 GMT
#5739
On July 22 2011 10:02 taLbuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 10:02 Nuri wrote:
On July 22 2011 10:01 Yew wrote:
Isn't wheat backed by EG anyway?

yup hence his ridoncilious bias with EG.


Being backed by EG is not =/= running OMG.tv with someone who works with EG.

lol anyone can tell how biased he was..
The biggest risk in life is not taking any risks at all
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
July 22 2011 01:04 GMT
#5740
On July 22 2011 10:02 InstantKarma wrote:
Puma isn't a slave of TSL. Puma wasn't under contract at the time he spoke with EG. It wasn't wrong of Eg to not consult TSL because TSL shouldn't have a say in the matter. It's Puma decision to make. What matters most is that the players should come first and if Puma decides that EG is better for him than there shouldn't be an issue if there are no legal problems.



Why should E-Sports be different to every single thing in the world ever regarding a contract.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
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