Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 18

namste

Finland2292 Posts

July 21 2011 06:25 GMT

#341

Oh well, looks like Puma's days as a supergosu progamer are over unless EG makes a deal with some other team so that Puma could live in their team house in korea.

If Puma goes and joins rest of the EG people in the EG team house, he won't get any better at all.

Let's face it, Incontrol, machine etc. who else you have there. are shit compared to koreans.
(Idra being the only exception, not sure recently tho...)

Corrosive

Canada3741 Posts

July 21 2011 06:25 GMT

#342

On July 21 2011 15:23 wats0n wrote:
Do people seriously not get that neither EG or Puma broke contract law? If TSL has the player contracted then he plays for them. If he was leaving for EG then it could only happen after his contract wore out.

He's under no obligation to remain with TSL after his contract expires.

THIS.

The only other situation i can see is that puma went to the coach and said "i want to go to EG", and even though he was still under contract, the coach allowed him to go and released him from his contract.

I don't see anything shady about this. Its up to the player. Nothing was stolen. Players are not some kind of currency, its up to them what team they want to play on.

yeint

Estonia2329 Posts

July 21 2011 06:25 GMT

#343

On July 21 2011 15:21 UniversalMind wrote:
To bad SC2 dont have drafts and trades and stuff like basketball and football

its kinda lame to give birth to a player and watch him get stolen but meh w/e

The only person who "gave birth" to Puma was his mother.

Fanta_Rules

Sweden669 Posts

July 21 2011 06:25 GMT

#344

On July 21 2011 15:11 Corrosive wrote:

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Why are you so anti-EG? PumA is already good and EG has decent players.

Because they're shady and greedy bastards, that's why. IdrA, Machine and DeMuSLiM are cool though.

BaLoO-

France318 Posts

July 21 2011 06:25 GMT

#345

Well, I guess the way it was done is questionable. But talking about "stealing" of a player is just a non-sense, PuMa is not a property, a slave of TSL. The things are simple, either he had a contract and TSL had to agree on the transfer, or he had no contract (or an option to end a contract) and he perfectly had the right to move to EG.

Sabu113

United States11112 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#346

I thought this was fake when I read the original post. Almost comical. Especially after Scoot's discussion on inside the game today with SK gaming's transfer policy.

Damn. That was quite a snipe.

Adebisi

Canada1637 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#347

This is HUGE!

Namu

United States826 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#348

On July 21 2011 15:25 zoLo wrote:

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You said the same thing he said.

yes sorry, meant to quote the earlier post

zoLo

United States5896 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#349

On July 21 2011 15:25 Medrea wrote:
Koreans are under salaried in Starcraft 2. IMHO.

This kind of thing is natural. It is part of the merger between foreigner and Korean worlds where only the strongest players will be left over.

That being said. I would not mind the creation of an organization that places a worth value on players heads making them unable to move out of that team unless the value of that player is paid for.

More like most of them don't have a salary.

CT Legacy

United States57 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#350

To put it in Eastern perspective.. if the Red Sox said to the Yankees, hey, we would like to offer one of your players to come play with us!
that's not how it happens.. Teams deal directly with the players thru their agents.. Teams do NOT ever OWN a player.. a player should be free to make his own decisions.
Puma easily could've said, no thank you, i am very happy with TSL.

leo23

United States3075 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#351

Great, great pick up by EG. This is the real deal isn't it!

Who is left on TSL?

Midgetman101

United States825 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#352

This really upsets me :/

crackcc

114 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#353

On July 21 2011 15:21 hmunkey wrote:

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On July 21 2011 15:20 crackcc wrote:

On July 21 2011 15:17 ExPresident wrote:
I find it absolutely hilarious that people are going crazy and hating on EG for what is obviously a good business decision, and if you think running a team is anything but business your all out of your minds.

I highly doubt any one of you were there when EG approached Puma and spoke with him about their offer, nor did you have any information about Puma's contract with TSL and if he even had one or what the details were of that contract. It is very possible that EG had more information on his contract, lack of one, or the details that Puma was allowed to discuss. On the flip side, lets say EG had no clue the details of the contract and approached Puma anyway and asked him if he could openly discuss business about his contract and possible one with EG, in which case he clearly said he could because here we have this deal.

Now, while it may be 'polite' to talk to a coach or manager first where on earth does it say its required? If anything this is a huge step in the right direction for players everywhere because teams are going to have to start treating players very good if the want to keep them, competition will make things better for the players.

We could even go the ethics route and say its completely possible Korean coaches don't want other teams talking to their players because "what the player doesn't know won't hurt the team". I go back to the fact that these teams are ran by a business/sponsors and they want results. If they can control the offers made to their players then they can better control the situation with them staying or leaving their team.

All this hate on EG just blows my mind. Its clear that TSL wasn't treating Puma good enough or he wouldn't have taken an offer from a foreign team who has no real pull in the Korean scene. EG just made a killer business move.

Bottom line is Puma, the player here, just did good for numero uno.

Its not the fact that they purchased Puma so to speak. Its the way they did it. Behind coach, managers back, and AT A TOURNEY ! Imagine now how teams are gonna feel about sending top players to the USA to compete if they are afraid they might get them stolen !

Teams buy/trade/steal players all the time but this is just a little bit worse !

It's just business. Korean teams need to either salary their players better, of develop a stronger sense of loyalty. I'm 100% sure every single Korean who has come to a foreign tournament has been approached by multiple teams, but only one has made the switch. Why? Because the offer he received was better than what he already had. Welcome to the world.

If course like I said this shit happens often but this is the first time ( like you pointed out ) that one has made the switch. So now think what the korean mangers will think since dont forget they are the ones who pay/decide to fly their players over. If you were a manager of a team would you spend money to fly over players to (possibly) win a tourney but may get stolen, or stay in korea and compete in gsl/gstl/etc for free ?

Silentness

United States2821 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#354

I had to wipe my eyes to make sure I was reading the spotlight correctly.... Puma to EG? wtf?

So how many good Terran players does EG have now? Puma and DeMuslim? I heard LZGamer went back to Zerg. *scratches head*

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#355

On July 21 2011 15:25 Corrosive wrote:

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The language was "released", so that's how I read it.

Kira__

Sweden2672 Posts

July 21 2011 06:26 GMT

#356

Hm.. I'm guessing korean teams can't compete financially with foreign ones

LMPeaches

United States157 Posts

July 21 2011 06:27 GMT

#357

Why the hate?

Puma switched to sc2 to make money and this is a great opportunity to make some.

thopol

Japan4560 Posts

July 21 2011 06:27 GMT

#358

EG really buys into the 'any press is good press' thing.

CurLy[]

United States759 Posts

July 21 2011 06:27 GMT

#359

LOL FUCK THE LAW WE GOT PUMA SON.

EG fighting

User was warned for this post

hmunkey

United Kingdom1973 Posts

July 21 2011 06:27 GMT

#360

On July 21 2011 15:25 Fanta_Rules wrote:

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Because they're shady and greedy bastards, that's why. IdrA, Machine and DeMuSLiM are cool though.

In other words, you hate EG because they operate like a business does. You know, the same way every professional sports franchise in the world operates.

Of course, if everyone acted how you wanted, esports wouldn't go anywhere but sure, go ahead.

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