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Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#321
On July 21 2011 15:21 UniversalMind wrote:
To bad SC2 dont have drafts and trades and stuff like basketball and football

its kinda lame to give birth to a player and watch him get stolen but meh w/e


Imagine this as the Lebron James to Miami deal

or Carlos Boozer to Utah
or Pau Gasol to LA

Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
torm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada274 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#322
On July 21 2011 15:22 doihy wrote:
Lost respect for puma , its one thing for lower tier players like rain or hwangsin to join foreign teams... but its totally different if a higher tier player joins foreign teams just for $$$.. Whatever happened to building teamwork.or wanting to have the highest tier of practice partners? I'll be rooting against him in every tourney he plays in..


how outrageous for a player to need money to pursue his passion.
Vipsanius
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands708 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#323
And now TSL is going to get KeSPA into sc2?
theliman2000
Profile Joined August 2010
United States45 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#324
another fantastic job by Scoots and the gang Great job picking up an amazing Korean player into a wonderful foreign organization.

EG FIGHTING!!!
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#325
I dunno if puma is gonna have as good of training partners now though... which could hurt him in the long run.
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#326
"Wooju Lee
Also, I'm going to fully expect the Korean SC2 Association to do something about this and make some sort of solid FA policy."
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#327
On July 21 2011 15:23 Azzur wrote:
First, it was FXO acquiring fOU. Now this. Ah, nothing like a bit of bad blood between teams :p

Would Puma be moving to the USA into the EG team house? How would he cope being so far away from Korea? Would being with EG help improve or worsen his skill? Would his skills help improve the skills of the EG players? So many questions!!!


There's no bad blood. Choya approached FXO with the idea. It wasn't some kind of hostile takeover of fou. The deal benefits everyone.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
doovchan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada111 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#328
Coach Lee is such a legit guy. In this situation I can see where he's coming from. I think I'd be correct by assuming that teams are a much more organized operation in Korea and moves like this probably don't play out in this fashion all too often. IMO, Coach Lee was probably really shocked when they didn't discuss anything with him first because that's just what is practiced there.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#329
On July 21 2011 15:24 Namu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:23 holycrapitsTony wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:23 Azzur wrote:
First, it was FXO acquiring fOU. Now this. Ah, nothing like a bit of bad blood between teams :p

Would Puma be moving to the USA into the EG team house? How would he cope being so far away from Korea? Would being with EG help improve or worsen his skill? Would his skills help improve the skills of the EG players? So many questions!!!


FXO and fOu were quite close, from what I've been told.


this is completely different from FXO acquiring fOu. That was done in good agreement (and tbh it almost sounded like fou wanted fxo to sponsor them, especially choya)


You said the same thing he said.
feebas
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland268 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#330
Whatever you may think about EG's management after this and a recent string of preceived PR disasters, one thing is for sure, they know how to get things done; and consider this: when it comes down to it, leaving TSL was Puma's decision. At this point it's hard to make judgement on anyone without knowing the contractual obligations of all the parties involved.

We need more information!
paska peli
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#331
Okay TIME OUT.

The Korean community has no right to be angry.

If they would just start watching SC2 to the same extent as the foreign community, then these players wouldn't actually have to go outside of Korea looking for a paycheck.
"En taro adun, Executor."
Zirith
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:29:43
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#332
I feel kinda bad for tsl team league wise, but that is a really nice pickup for eg.

Edit: dohiy there isnt nearly enough info for you to pass such harsh judgments like that lol, such a massive over reaction XD. To say you lost all respect for a guy that showed us some of the best tvp games ever at nasl, is completely ludicrous. (he had to go through that giant open bracket tourney ffs)
Artosis: "I don't trust hyenas."
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#333
On July 21 2011 15:12 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:10 Flowjo wrote:
Sigh, EG just train Incontrol to be the next champ of......... oh , makes sense why they got Puma lol their team in an honest perspective has all tier 2 players execpt Idra

DeMuslim is okay. Axslav flies under the radar but he's okay. EG's main failures are iNcontroL and Machine, have they ever actually done well in anything...ever?


I have no idea where you got this from. Let me look something up for you:

Demuslim: Winner IEM Europe, Warcraft 3 background
Axslav: 4th Place IPL, War3 background
iNcontroL: 4th Place MLG Dallas, 1st place WCG USA 2007
Machine: 4th Place SC reddit invitational, 6th Place MLG Dallas, 2008 4th place WCG USA



No idea why I just spent so much time disproving a random flamer, but as you can see, if anything, Machine and iNcontroL have posted better results then Demuslim and Axslav, which you were apparently very ignorant to.

As for the Puma acquisition, I really hope that that is not TSL's official stance, EG has every right to court Puma without going through the coaches, it's not like they own him.
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:26:45
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#334
Koreans are under salaried in Starcraft 2. IMHO.

This kind of thing is natural. It is part of the merger between foreigner and Korean worlds where only the strongest players will be left over.

That being said. I would not mind the creation of an organization that places a worth value on players heads making them unable to move out of that team unless the value of that player is paid for.

I am on the side of the players. They shouldn't have to live in terrible conditions if they are also working 12 hour days.
twitch.tv/medrea
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#335
On July 21 2011 15:23 ribboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:23 Azzur wrote:
First, it was FXO acquiring fOU. Now this. Ah, nothing like a bit of bad blood between teams :p

Would Puma be moving to the USA into the EG team house? How would he cope being so far away from Korea? Would being with EG help improve or worsen his skill? Would his skills help improve the skills of the EG players? So many questions!!!

How can you even remotely compare FXO acquiring FOU (Choya was the one to approach FXO with an offer.) to this?

Nono, I wasn't implying FXO acquiring fOU was underhand at all - just saying that it was big news.

The bad blood I'm referring to is EG and TSL.
Arcticc
Profile Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#336
To be honest, with the shady shit that went down with SotG and ITG; and this story, I'm not sure if I'm an EG fan anymore. Wonder what grand story EG is weaving to explain this.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#337
The coach is speaking from emotions, rightfully so, but ultimately I dont feel like EG "stole" puma.

This is most likely a straight forward business decision from both sides. TSL not being able to afford Puma after FD and Trickster leaving probably means theyre about to go under.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Jheez
Profile Joined May 2011
France1 Post
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#338
Jheez in my pants

User was banned for this post.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#339
TSL basically has to play killer clide alive and revival every team league game they are taking super serious ie. not trying to field rookies. I do agree though that signing puma like that is a rather underhanded tactic.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 06:25 GMT
#340
On July 21 2011 15:23 Azzur wrote:
First, it was FXO acquiring fOU. Now this. Ah, nothing like a bit of bad blood between teams :p

Would Puma be moving to the USA into the EG team house? How would he cope being so far away from Korea? Would being with EG help improve or worsen his skill? Would his skills help improve the skills of the EG players? So many questions!!!


FXO getting fOu is nothing like this. Choya and the FXO team are friends. The teams are friends. fOu didn't have that great of funds, so FXO fused the teams together, and now the talent level on FXO is higher and money isn't an issue anymore for the former fOu members.

But this could really start a real big shitstorm. I don't think Korean teams/managers will take kindly to this.
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