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.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#301
read playxp, yes he was under contract, but coach decided to respect his wishes, big heart. Disrespect to EG for taking a player under the rug, go talk to the coach unprofessional
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#302
On July 21 2011 15:22 holycrapitsTony wrote:
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Korean Netizens are quite outraged. Although one of them noted that "not surprising since it's Idra's team"


Oh boy.


reminds me of the quote " fucking kimchi man" or something along the lines of that. Looks like IdrA and Co def are not popular at all here.
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holycrapitsTony
Profile Joined October 2010
United States330 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#303
On July 21 2011 15:23 Azzur wrote:
First, it was FXO acquiring fOU. Now this. Ah, nothing like a bit of bad blood between teams :p

Would Puma be moving to the USA into the EG team house? How would he cope being so far away from Korea? Would being with EG help improve or worsen his skill? Would his skills help improve the skills of the EG players? So many questions!!!


FXO and fOu were quite close, from what I've been told.
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red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#304
Oh snap this is huge. Will Puma leave Korea like Rain to take part in more foreign events? If not then might Idra return to Korea now that he has a top level practice partner? Will more Koreans join EG?
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#305
On July 21 2011 15:21 holycrapitsTony wrote:
Are people seriously bashing Puma? Do you think all of these pros play the game because they like it? No. It's because they're damn good at it and it pays. If you're offered more pay to do what you're good at, why wouldn't you go for it?

Stop the "soul skater" shit and get realistic.

p sure they do it because it's their passion, seeing as how working at mcdonalds 40 hours a week probably nets you more income than any SC2 progamer that isn't MC, Nestea, MVP, Foxer, or anyone else in the top8 worldwide sc2 earnings (or is contracted at a reasonable wage ie IdrA).
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Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#306
On July 21 2011 15:20 crackcc wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:17 ExPresident wrote:
I find it absolutely hilarious that people are going crazy and hating on EG for what is obviously a good business decision, and if you think running a team is anything but business your all out of your minds.

I highly doubt any one of you were there when EG approached Puma and spoke with him about their offer, nor did you have any information about Puma's contract with TSL and if he even had one or what the details were of that contract. It is very possible that EG had more information on his contract, lack of one, or the details that Puma was allowed to discuss. On the flip side, lets say EG had no clue the details of the contract and approached Puma anyway and asked him if he could openly discuss business about his contract and possible one with EG, in which case he clearly said he could because here we have this deal.

Now, while it may be 'polite' to talk to a coach or manager first where on earth does it say its required? If anything this is a huge step in the right direction for players everywhere because teams are going to have to start treating players very good if the want to keep them, competition will make things better for the players.

We could even go the ethics route and say its completely possible Korean coaches don't want other teams talking to their players because "what the player doesn't know won't hurt the team". I go back to the fact that these teams are ran by a business/sponsors and they want results. If they can control the offers made to their players then they can better control the situation with them staying or leaving their team.

All this hate on EG just blows my mind. Its clear that TSL wasn't treating Puma good enough or he wouldn't have taken an offer from a foreign team who has no real pull in the Korean scene. EG just made a killer business move.

Bottom line is Puma, the player here, just did good for numero uno.


Its not the fact that they purchased Puma so to speak. Its the way they did it. Behind coach, managers back, and AT A TOURNEY ! Imagine now how teams are gonna feel about sending top players to the USA to compete if they are afraid they might get them stolen !

Teams buy/trade/steal players all the time but this is just a little bit worse !


I guess teams will just have to step up and keep their players happy and pockets filled.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:23:57
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#307
On July 21 2011 15:22 yepenaxa wrote:
that's American business culture vs Asian sensibilities for you. It's a bloody competition competition. EG did what would benefit them. TSL was caught off guard. It's a sharks' world.

Don't act like Asian business culture is any different. Business is business. If esports is to succeed, businessmen will be at the helm.

It's nice to think of players as just casual guys, but if you've ever looked at any actual sports franchise it should be fairly obvious that they're run with a business purpose in mind.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#308
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Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#309
On July 21 2011 15:18 Namu wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:16 proxima_ wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:14 DirtYLOu wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:13 Postman wrote:
Why is it EG's fault for recruiting him and not TSL's fault for not being able to compete with another team's offer?


Postman, because there was NO OFFER.

It was all done behind the fucking back of TSL.


too bad the PLAYER chooses what team to join, no one forced puma to join EG at gunpoint


there are these things called ethics and respect


It's called an opportunity and making a better living.
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#310
On July 21 2011 15:23 Azzur wrote:
First, it was FXO acquiring fOU. Now this. Ah, nothing like a bit of bad blood between teams :p

Would Puma be moving to the USA into the EG team house? How would he cope being so far away from Korea? Would being with EG help improve or worsen his skill? Would his skills help improve the skills of the EG players? So many questions!!!

How can you even remotely compare FXO acquiring FOU (Choya was the one to approach FXO with an offer.) to this?
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#311
Do people seriously not get that neither EG or Puma broke contract law? If TSL has the player contracted then he plays for them. If he was leaving for EG then it could only happen after his contract wore out.

He's under no obligation to remain with TSL after his contract expires.
moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
July 21 2011 06:23 GMT
#312
Well, shorthanded move by EG undercutting the basic respect system held by businesses+teams, but whatever. That isn't my call to make. You won't see this happening in other sports, football comes to mind.

I won't say congratulations to EG, but hopefully Puma will continue to do well. I'll root for Puma's success.

Also, for the people who constantly crow about it being the player's decision, I completely disagree. Under contract you become a part of the team, and the team must agree to release you, unless the TSL contract was poorly written.
Swad1000
Profile Joined January 2011
United States366 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#313
This is like Lebron James joining a high school basketball team. How in the hell is he going to practice?.

Eg better get more Koreans.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#314
EG has no presence in Korea. How is this even going to work? Is he heading over to the USA like Rain?
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#315
On July 21 2011 15:21 Golgotha wrote:
competition has it's price. since there is no organization overseeing the teams, like an NFL commish, the teams can talk to the players directly and it is legal. maybe not ethical, but it sure as hell is legal. i hope puma moves to the States and gets to practice with IdrA.

Actually, they do have that Korean SC2 Players Association thing.... So likely, they could do something about this.
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JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#316
On July 21 2011 15:23 Azzur wrote:
First, it was FXO acquiring fOU. Now this. Ah, nothing like a bit of bad blood between teams :p

Would Puma be moving to the USA into the EG team house? How would he cope being so far away from Korea? Would being with EG help improve or worsen his skill? Would his skills help improve the skills of the EG players? So many questions!!!
fOu is on extremely friendly terms with FXO. Go read the threads before saying this is the same as EG's acquisition.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#317
On July 21 2011 15:23 holycrapitsTony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:23 Azzur wrote:
First, it was FXO acquiring fOU. Now this. Ah, nothing like a bit of bad blood between teams :p

Would Puma be moving to the USA into the EG team house? How would he cope being so far away from Korea? Would being with EG help improve or worsen his skill? Would his skills help improve the skills of the EG players? So many questions!!!


FXO and fOu were quite close, from what I've been told.


this is completely different from FXO acquiring fOu. That was done in good agreement (and tbh it almost sounded like fou wanted fxo to sponsor them, especially choya)
DotADeMoN
Profile Joined June 2010
United States517 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#318
EG setting the standard in how to poach players.
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#319
I don't think its healthy for the professional Starcraft 2 scene if teams sign players at their whim without acknowledging that they are already contracted. It seems like EG did not even negotiate with TSL and targeted Puma directly. I'm sure Mr. Chae the director of the Korean Starcraft 2 organization and its members are going to have to set up some sort of rule or regulation pending player movement from team to team.

Also I feel like Puma got a little ahead of himself and this decision will ultimately doom him in terms of improving his skill level and maybe even hinder him in the GSL because his practice partners are all living in the US. I guess I can see the future of his financial wealth increasing if EG is paying him a much better salary, which is probably why he joined, and if they send him to every major foreign tournament.
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AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
July 21 2011 06:24 GMT
#320
i think that eg had every right to talk to puma if there is a deal that is best for puma and tsl cant compete why should tsl try to him back... it would be crazy if he moved into the eg house
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