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ilikeLIONZ
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany427 Posts
July 21 2011 13:42 GMT
#2861
On July 21 2011 22:39 VL.KenZo wrote:
HAHA U FCKING KIDS, WHO COMES FIRST , TAKE PLAYER FIRST!
WHY TALK WITH COACHES, HES OLD ENOUGH TO DECIDE BY HIS OWN!


please remove Germany as your homecountry, you clearly belong to the Neverland Ranch!
chaokel
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia535 Posts
July 21 2011 13:42 GMT
#2862
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.


I have to agree with this.

Regardless of whether Puma actually talked to his couch and team about this, EG should not of been approaching Puma directly, this is a slap in the face to the team management and is player poaching.

I can't blame Puma at all for wanting to join EG, infact it makes a lot of sense for more koreans to be partnering up with international teams as there is a lot more money and fans for them to be making internationally.
Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
July 21 2011 13:43 GMT
#2863
As long as Puma wasn't under a contract I don't see anything wrong with EG approaching him. If he had been under contract then you need to approach the manager/team leader. Assuming that Puma wasn't signed to a contract with TSL, EG probably has a lot more to offer him as a player, especially financial support because of that teams sponsors.
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
Telefonmann
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany111 Posts
July 21 2011 13:44 GMT
#2864

On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.

Welcome to the world of professional sports where such practises happen ALL the time.[/QUOTE]

Actually, if you are a contracted player in the MLG, NFL or NBA you are not allowed to do that... It is breaking rules.[/QUOTE]





ever seen Jerry MC Guire? xD
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
July 21 2011 13:44 GMT
#2865
On July 21 2011 22:39 Darkong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.

Welcome to the world of professional sports where such practises happen ALL the time.


Yup, there's a reason pro players in sports and esports sign these things called contracts.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Heraklitus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States553 Posts
July 21 2011 13:44 GMT
#2866
I'm seeing a lot people make pretty sweeping judgments here without all of the facts.We don't know very much, and we're getting an incomplete picture of what happened.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 21 2011 13:44 GMT
#2867
Understand TSL being bummed that they lose Puma, but its no secret that the "less-than-absolute-top-tier" players get looked after a lot more in foreign teams than korean teams.

I mean financially.
QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
July 21 2011 13:44 GMT
#2868
On July 21 2011 22:27 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:26 FaiL_SaFe wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:21 Grimsong wrote:
Puma's taking his talents to EG.


Haha.

On a constructive note, it is entirely possible that PuMa was under contract. However, unless the contract was properly notarized and signed it isn't legally binding. If he was under contract but it wasn't a legally binding one (aka not properly notarized and certified) then he was free to leave. It was, essentially a Gentleman's agreement. He could have left at any time he chose to.

If this is the case (and to be fair I don't know if it is) then, while underhanded, it was completely legal.

This is something which actually, Sir Scoots mentioned on an episode of Live on Three but I think is completely accurate, that as esports continues to grow I think we need to start taking contracts more seriously and doing things like properly notarizing them and creating a framework by which they actually become legally binding.


The law is different everywhere.


Doesn't every sport organization have to do this like the FIFA ?
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
mols0n
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada388 Posts
July 21 2011 13:45 GMT
#2869
On July 21 2011 22:42 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:39 Darkong wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.

Welcome to the world of professional sports where such practises happen ALL the time.


Actually, if you are a contracted player in the MLG, NFL or NBA you are not allowed to do that... It is breaking rules.


You are right, you aren't allowed to go after a contracted player. Even if the player is a restricted free agent, such practices are frowned upon. EG has proven themselves to be a low class organization once again. I don't know how many counter-strike fans are here, but you guys should remember when they basically did the same thing to Complexity back in the day.
eoLithic
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway221 Posts
July 21 2011 13:45 GMT
#2870
To be harsh, but quite honest: EG needed a player that can perform, besides IdrA
"You`re a pro or you`re a noob...that`s life"
Chrill
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden91 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 13:46:20
July 21 2011 13:45 GMT
#2871
On July 21 2011 22:38 laguu wrote:
Why would he join EG? How is he going to get good practice? confused o.O


Isn't he one of the most requested practice partners in korea? I doubt he'll have a hard time finding people to practice with.
Xiaon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States245 Posts
July 21 2011 13:45 GMT
#2872
On July 21 2011 22:42 chaokel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.


I have to agree with this.

Regardless of whether Puma actually talked to his couch and team about this, EG should not of been approaching Puma directly, this is a slap in the face to the team management and is player poaching.

I can't blame Puma at all for wanting to join EG, infact it makes a lot of sense for more koreans to be partnering up with international teams as there is a lot more money and fans for them to be making internationally.


ok
lets go buy puma from the coach

"Sup coach"
"sup sirscoots"
"can i buy puma"
"ya scoots"

later

"hi puma"
"hi scoots"
"I bought you puma"
"what?"
idra demuslim incontrol lzgamer machine strife cro axslav, oh and INKAAAA
Jim7
Profile Joined December 2010
United States154 Posts
July 21 2011 13:45 GMT
#2873
It sounds dirty to me but that's only from reading the OP. It just feels like EG "stole" the player from TSL.

You'd think this would be breaking some rule in a contract between TSL and Puma.

In the end Puma is getting $$ which is always great for a player and EG is getting a great player and practice partner.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
July 21 2011 13:46 GMT
#2874
I think thats a BS comment by TSL coach: "foreign teams stealing korean players". They make it sound like the world is a terrible plague that "stole the life" from their player. Wish him the best and move on. And why are people pissed at EG? They just got a powerhouse player, be happy.


Congrats EG, he will add alot of strength to your lineup.

oh and will he be living in the team house?
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
July 21 2011 13:47 GMT
#2875
On July 21 2011 22:42 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:39 Darkong wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.

Welcome to the world of professional sports where such practises happen ALL the time.


Actually, if you are a contracted player in the MLG, NFL or NBA you are not allowed to do that... It is breaking rules.

People get stolen from other countries to play in the NBA all the time, and I am sure soccer does it too. The last few years, the KHL and the NHL have been stealing players off eachother. It may not be allowed but it happens in pro sports all the time.
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
Enigma614
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden16 Posts
July 21 2011 13:47 GMT
#2876
On July 21 2011 22:30 Xiaon wrote:
팀원을 비롯한 많은분들과 그렇게 많은고민을하고햇는대도 이렇게.......... .................
from pumas twitter
someone translate


And so a lot of issues, including the contributions from the whole team, and this metropolitan haetneun

Google is your friend... try it =/
Many miss the Sun waiting on the storm.....
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
July 21 2011 13:47 GMT
#2877
Well puma will get more money now etc... but his play will stagnate since the only decent practice partner he will have is idra.
High Risk Low Reward
Vi0elence
Profile Joined June 2011
United States35 Posts
July 21 2011 13:47 GMT
#2878
EG fighting Dirty haha. Oh well, sounds good to me.
Huk....fighting?! <3
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
July 21 2011 13:47 GMT
#2879
On July 21 2011 21:58 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:56 BigLighthouse wrote:
Given the conversation with Alex Muller of SK-Gaming last night on lo3 I'd be willing to bet that Puma is making a significant amount of money through this EG pickup. Further, I have to add that in my opinion EG has done nothing wrong in this transaction and in fact TSL managment are being far less "ethical" by painting such a dark picture of the foreign team scene and producing what can only be called a shitstorm. If the SK-fnatic 1.6 saga has taught anyone its that some stuff is better for organisations to air behind closed doors, or they both end up being tainted by it.


Well that is just the problem. According to TSL (and admittedly we only have their side atm) they were NEVER CONTACTED IN PRIVATE BY EG. So how can you blame them for putting this out publicly? If what they say is true, you can't.


What I mean is that post "Puma theft" they should have announced their displeasure towards EG in private. There was nothing stopping them from contacting EG before they released their player either.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 21 2011 13:48 GMT
#2880
On July 21 2011 22:42 chaokel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.


I have to agree with this.

Regardless of whether Puma actually talked to his couch and team about this, EG should not of been approaching Puma directly, this is a slap in the face to the team management and is player poaching.

I can't blame Puma at all for wanting to join EG, infact it makes a lot of sense for more koreans to be partnering up with international teams as there is a lot more money and fans for them to be making internationally.


And I think this kind of action bring a bad rep to foreign teams. Koreans will lose respect for us if our teams are taking their players in such shameful ways.

On July 21 2011 22:45 mols0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:42 GreEny K wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:39 Darkong wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.

Welcome to the world of professional sports where such practises happen ALL the time.


Actually, if you are a contracted player in the MLG, NFL or NBA you are not allowed to do that... It is breaking rules.


You are right, you aren't allowed to go after a contracted player. Even if the player is a restricted free agent, such practices are frowned upon. EG has proven themselves to be a low class organization once again. I don't know how many counter-strike fans are here, but you guys should remember when they basically did the same thing to Complexity back in the day.


I am an old CS player, and that is exactly why I had 0 respect for them to begin with.
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