The famous Starcraft: Broodwar player Christoph 'Mondragon' Semke parts with his organisation MeetYourMakers. Semke joined MYM in the beginning of 2011 with Daniel 'XlorD' SpenstXlorD and signed Rafal 'ParanOid' Kontowicz for MYM as well.
Now the ways of Semke and MYM part after half an year. The contract between both expired and Mondragon did not come to an agreement with MYM again. ParanOid ist also leaving the team.
In the near future there will be some more changes in the MYM-Line-Up.
Statement by Mondragon:
"Since a few days the contract between MYM and me has expired. Unfortunately we did not come to an agreement to renew the contract and sign a new one. It's sad that MYM and me part ways after 6 great months where we built up quite a nice StarCraft 2 Team with both top players and potential players. Overall I have to mention that playing and working for MYM was a pleasure and all the colleagues in MYM have always been very friendly. MYM has a strong base to support a great StarCraft 2 team. Therefore I hope that MYM keeps up their support for their players and that MYM is able to compete with the best teams in Europe in the future as well. Concerning myself I can say that I will team up with another eSport organisation in the future and that I would like to thank MYM (especially Dennis), FIO Systems (thanks Nicolas), Razer, all of the StarCraft 2 members and everyone that worked for MYM in the background. Thanks for the great time and I hope that we will be able to meet at some point, either in real life or on the battle field in StarCraft 2 Good Luck MYM!"
Lineup of MYM:
Daniel 'XlorD' Spenst Carlo 'ClouD' Giannacco Kim 'SaSe' Hammar Benjamin 'Dahli' Bredal Jonas 'Pythonas' Bredal
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
Mondragon doesn't enter any tournaments, part of being sponsored by a team is that you represent them in tournaments and spread the word of their products....how can you expect someone to continue sponsoring you if you don't do anything at all.
i got the same feeling for mym that i have for sk-gaming. both clans were very passiv during the beta/release stage of sc2 and struggling now to get top level players into their roster.
He has potential to be the best, if only he had the drive. Hope he joins another big team soon, even without sc2 being his passion, he has so much to offer.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
seems like they are not interested in sc2 yet.
yeah right because not keeping a inactive player like mondragon means that they are not interested in sc2...
On July 18 2011 07:13 StyLeD wrote: Mondragon doesn't enter any tournaments, part of being sponsored by a team is that you represent them in tournaments and spread the word of their products....how can you expect someone to continue sponsoring you if you don't do anything at all.
Mondie is a builder. He builds great things and pops in every now and then to school some peeps.
On July 18 2011 07:13 StyLeD wrote: Mondragon doesn't enter any tournaments, part of being sponsored by a team is that you represent them in tournaments and spread the word of their products....how can you expect someone to continue sponsoring you if you don't do anything at all.
I have the same feeling, I never see him anywhere o_O Except on TL Attack this evening
I think MYM fell apart as a org ever since they released their Polish CS team cuz they were paying them redic amounts of $ along with Moon and after that their org has been slowly dying and everyone jumping ship.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
Dno what you're talking about... Xlord is one of the scariest Zergs atm and Cloud has always been close to the top (good runs in EPS etc). Plus SaSe will be playing in Code A soon.
SaSe is going to Korea or is there, as far as i know...Mondi had a contract as Manager and not player, so he managed the team! XLorD and Cloud did very well the last months in many smaller tournaments in EU. So nothing to complain about. And also Mondi stated on his Facebook, that he will pretty sure join another eSports-Team soon. Ah, but!!! As a Manager and not a player!
I wouldn't be surprised considering he's really good friends with all the Liquid guys. Mondi has something most players don't have and that is raw talent. It will be interesting to see where he ends up.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
seems like they are not interested in sc2 yet.
They just don't have the big moneyZ anymore. Todays MyM is a whole different organisation than the MyM that had the most ridiculous wc3 lineup ever in like 2007.
On July 18 2011 07:13 StyLeD wrote: Mondragon doesn't enter any tournaments, part of being sponsored by a team is that you represent them in tournaments and spread the word of their products....how can you expect someone to continue sponsoring you if you don't do anything at all.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
I agree with everyone else... What are you talking about? SaSe ripped (RIPPED) Through his homestory cup and Dreamhack Summer groups Korean style, won the "Road to Korea" tournament for a code A spot. Xlord has been consistently qualifying for big tournaments (putting down some wins, though no high places), and both him and Cloud have been performing well in online tournaments as well!
OT: I hope mondragon gets a new team soon, and actually starts appearing in tournaments other than TSL!
If you are used to reading corporate statments you can read between the lines. Statements like "was responsible for communication" omitting the word "fulfilling his responsability" or something like "brought ParanOid in" indicate where internal problems might have arisen.
for the record to the people who think MYM is the same MYM from back in the day with their good CS team and WC3 players they arent. MYM went bankrupt around after releasing moon. the brand got bought by the former "Wicked" team which people from wc3 will remember to have always tried to make a big name for themselves but never did. their organizations always died.
So this is why MYM hasnt really been the same...because they arent even owned by the same people that made MYM a big name.
This doesn't surprise me, Mondragon has always been a hermit. Wherever he goes next he'll definitely bring some good players. It'd be awesome to see him partner up with Grubby and the two of them can make a team that lives up to thier reputations.
I'm really interested to see what MyM does from here, XlorD, Sase, and Cloud have been under-performing. These guys should be real contenders, but It's just not happening. And the same goes for Mondragon. There is a lot of name credit in the MyM brand and its players but if they don't get the wins required to sustain it, that name isn't going to be worth much in a year or two. They need to change things up if they're going to survive in this new environment.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
Dno what you're talking about... Xlord is one of the scariest Zergs atm and Cloud has always been close to the top (good runs in EPS etc). Plus SaSe will be playing in Code A soon.
Wait is Sase going to play in Code A or going to qualify for Code A?
He won road to korea but it only specifies that he is staying in the GOM house.
Wow what a coincidence.. Yesterday I was digging up a bunch of shit about mondragon and reason.. both of them probably wont ever be top players in sc2 like i had really wished -_-;;
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
On July 18 2011 07:17 Kallozar wrote: I think MYM fell apart as a org ever since they released their Polish CS team cuz they were paying them redic amounts of $ along with Moon and after that their org has been slowly dying and everyone jumping ship.
Nah, it was when Mercy (old MYM leader) did leave. Looks like he invested shitloads of money so it was obvious a huge loss for MYM when he left.
Hate to see MYM lose players. Has always been my favorite team/name and also the one of the only teams I have enjoyed working for. Would love to see them pick up a better base of players though for the future.
Hmm well i think MYM has some great players but they just havent done too much yet beyond Sase , Sase is an amazing amazing player and i see him doing absolutely great things in the future , hes gonna tear up code a in august.
Other than that the rest of the players havent really done too much (plexa says xlord is a beast but i havent really seen him perform as such yet) so i hope they get a few new players (some stars maybe?) to really round out their team.
RIght now Sase is definitely the star of the team in my oppinion if you havent watched any of his games from Dreamhack or HSC3 go check them out he is a truely amazing player. Very creative.
i doubt liquid will be picking him up as liquid's zerg line up is solid already. It's much more likely for liquid to recruit a terran or a protoss right now.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
Dno what you're talking about... Xlord is one of the scariest Zergs atm and Cloud has always been close to the top (good runs in EPS etc). Plus SaSe will be playing in Code A soon.
I don't see Xlord being in the Top 5 Zergs right now.
On July 18 2011 07:48 Jayjay54 wrote: liquid should at least consider pickin him up
Why? Mondragon barely plays Starcraft II anymore or just never joins Starcraft II tournaments. Would be kind of a useless spot on the team / money.
Joining tournaments is a poor way of measuring activity (or skill for that matter). Morrow for instance have laddered very sporadically and not entered many tournaments expect the larger ones lately and instead massed custom games. I don't know how much Mondragon has practised but judging from your post, neither do you.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
SaSe is good, and has had a few couple of good showings. Personally, I'd say he's easily their ace.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
but.. only him.. I think the problem is whit MYM sc2 menager , MYM is good mark , but not in SC2..somethink is wrong for sure..
Huge props to Mondragon for such ethical behavior. Not uncommon for progamers to part ways in a more drastic fashion. Protip: Always say nice things about your previous counter-agent, it's good for your career
On July 18 2011 07:48 Jayjay54 wrote: liquid should at least consider pickin him up
Why? Mondragon barely plays Starcraft II anymore or just never joins Starcraft II tournaments. Would be kind of a useless spot on the team / money.
Joining tournaments is a poor way of measuring activity (or skill for that matter). Morrow for instance have laddered very sporadically and not entered many tournaments expect the larger ones lately and instead massed custom games. I don't know how much Mondragon has practised but judging from your post, neither do you.
Well, i'd say noone does because you barely hear about him anymore lol. Which is exactly my point.
I was not necessarily contracted as a player and I won't be in the future either but nonetheless you are right that I did not attend any bigger tournament which probably will not change too much due to lack fo time, thus the manager position is probably more likely
"I will be contracted as a manager in the future and that's where the focus is on. I'm lacking time but if i have time to play I will play, but I have more important and more enjoyable things to do in real If i have free time I gladly use it to play, but its not my first priority anymore :p"
I love how everytime someone gets dropped or leaves a team you guys say Liquid.____ aha anywho how was Mondi doing in the Euro scene anyways? I only know of SaSe's performance from mym =[
Mondi is a beast of a player and I really think he could do great in sc2 I wish him LUCK and hope he gets an origination and start owning. God i miss the old BW days of watching mondi own ppl :D
On July 18 2011 08:34 turamn wrote: Everytime someone leaves a team, half the thread is Liquid player...
it's a little different this time because he seems like a perfectly nice guy and his personality seems to fit, while he is actually not competing at all. normally the players are just strong and people would like liquid to improve their lineup. this one here is more of an investment in the future and the players (e.g. tyler) go way back. so imo it's justified to speculate and that is not because he is a sc2 beast right now
On July 18 2011 07:12 Kira__ wrote: Liquid`Mondragon
oh yes
Every time there is a big free agent people bring this up and most of the time it is ridiculous :p. This time, I actually agree.
Mondragon would fit well on team liquid in my opinion as long as he is motivated to keep playing sc2. He's a veteran BW player, a very solid and innovative player, and also very good as far as PR goes, which is important in being part of such a reputable team like team liquid. So this time I have to agree, i want to see Liquid`Mondragon!
He stated various times very clearly, that his priorities are his studies (Masters in something with Business or Media... if I remember :-P ). This will last till 2012 at least. So he will join a Team that is not strong and have everything set up like Liquid or EG or aTn (where Take is Manager as far as I know)...and also a Team that still requires his skills as Team Manager but gives him enough free time to study and do his thing...hmmm...difficult choice.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
Mondragon is the man. If he just put all the pieces together I believe he has the ability to be one of if not the best zerg. Keep fighting Mondragon! You have a ton of fans here that want to see you in competitive shape and see that drive again. Good luck with whatever team you go to.
hes gonna be the Manager of Team ACER.SC2 (www.aceresport.com) ~ mark my words!
I hope ParanOid is gonna join another team and will not go with his good buddy, because.. hes not good enough for a company like Acer :x Acer got the money to add the best of the best! >_<
MYM are very strong, Xlord and SaSe are tearing up EU ladder & tournaments right now. Shame to hear this news about Mondragon, hopefully the team can stick together from here.
On July 18 2011 07:20 Ruscour wrote: They lost ParanOid...he is up and coming for sure
To all the people who said MYM hasn't been doing anything hasn't seen SaSe be consistent 2nd best Protoss in Europe
3rd-4th
no way sir
wait what? Socke, Naniwa, Hasuobs, White_ra, Mana and probably even more can surely compete with SaSe easily... 2nd best in Europe? How do you actually support that?
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
Can't ask for a nicer statement out of Mondragon, seems like a super GM guy, gl to him and hope he finds another team that suites him as well as MYM did.
I don't want to see Liquid`Mondragon. I would prefer to see him recreating Templars of Twilight, the best foreign team ever. Seriously, Mondragon with any other tag than ToT) looks bad.
On July 18 2011 12:33 Rinrun wrote: Placing a bet on FnaticMSI- going to join sen.
"When someone gives you those odds (10 000:1), you take 'em" lol
Good luck Mondragon.
Fnatic already has a manager, and if you have read the thread you would see Mondi is not interested in playing right now but managing as he is focused on studying and whatnot. Also, Sen has said he is interested in playing/coaching in the Taiwanese league when his contract is over with fnatic so I doubt he will be renewing it.
Liquid already has a manager so we are not going to see liquid`mondi either.
EG does not have any specific player manager since tasteless left (haha funny to think about that) so that might be an option although kinda unlikely with how many SF4 players EG recently added.
He may well end up with a more obscure team which is fine with me.
On July 18 2011 07:13 Skiba wrote: i got the same feeling for mym that i have for sk-gaming. both clans were very passiv during the beta/release stage of sc2 and struggling now to get top level players into their roster.
They have certainly been active. MyM had Naniwa and Cloud very early and sent them to Germany to compete in the eps when nobody else was even close to commiting that much.
People seem to forget about that because they kicked Naniwa for his behaviour and Cloud underperformed in his first season.
They kept Xlord for his potential, they aquired Mondragon for his potential, they picked up Sase because of his determination und practice regiment.
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
what you talking about ? SaSe is one of the greatest players in sc2 and will go to korea, Xlord qualified for finals of WCG Germany and was winner in ESL/EPS ligapokal and 4th place EPS he also beat alot strong players HSC etc (2-0 vs tyler) and cloud did some amazing stuff before he break his hand in hsc ...
so why didnt they do good ? they did amazing
ps: mondragon was the manager and for a manager he was quite amazing (also won 1. round in TSL)
EG: US based. A German manager doesn't make sense.
Fnactic: Already a manager.
I can't see him joining an established team.
Believe it or not. Some folks have other priorities in life and when time goes by and you become 25 years old or even older, you ask youself what you want to achieve in life. Playing games was nice in your youth but not so much during that stage and onwards. You just have this one chance of succeeding and you would throw it somehow away in case you were still living like a teen without responsabilities. It kicks in for anyone.
guys I told you befor and I gonna say it again.. hes gonna be a part as manager for the new big esport company "Team Acer (aceresport.com)" and just because he said in the statement "new esport organization", some Team Acer stuff added him at facebook after the statement without any reason? :x so easy to recognize that it's gonna be ACER|Mondragon
As you guys seem to be blind or not reading the entire thread I will post this for you AGAIN:
It seems he won't join another team as a player but some kind of manager (but it's not very clear from the text if this would be in the esports scene or in general for some other company besides esports).
Maybe add this to the OP.
from Mondi's Facebook page:
I was not necessarily contracted as a player and I won't be in the future either but nonetheless you are right that I did not attend any bigger tournament which probably will not change too much due to lack fo time, thus the manager position is probably more likely
"I will be contracted as a manager in the future and that's where the focus is on. I'm lacking time but if i have time to play I will play, but I have more important and more enjoyable things to do in real If i have free time I gladly use it to play, but its not my first priority anymore :p"
On July 18 2011 07:20 Ruscour wrote: They lost ParanOid...he is up and coming for sure
To all the people who said MYM hasn't been doing anything hasn't seen SaSe be consistent 2nd best Protoss in Europe
3rd-4th
no way sir
Do you think he's better than Naniwa, Socke, and White-Ra?
never hes not even top 5 imo but back to the topic: its just sad that one of the best bw-foreigners has some other (understandable)priorities in his life.... LiquidMondragon would be a DREAM tho and so epic but wont happen anyway
On July 18 2011 16:05 Dexx wrote: Mouz: Hasu would be the managing player somehow.
WTF you talking about? Doesn't Mouz have the same 2 managers that already formed MYM BW squad back in 6 years ago? Like after MYM didn't want to support a BW squad anymore the whole team stayed together and was picked up by ESC and then later it was picked up my Mouz. After sc2 came out they just changed to sc2 always with the same managers.
s1cK Germany. July 18 2011 16:54. Posts 8 Profile # guys I told you befor and I gonna say it again.. hes gonna be a part as manager for the new big esport company "Team Acer (aceresport.com)" and just because he said in the statement "new esport organization", some Team Acer stuff added him at facebook after the statement without any reason? :x and the same Orga I asked one day befor they added a very known LoL team.. he told me that they got SC2 already too.. so easy to recognize that it's gonna be ACER|Mondragon
On July 18 2011 07:20 Ruscour wrote: They lost ParanOid...he is up and coming for sure
To all the people who said MYM hasn't been doing anything hasn't seen SaSe be consistent 2nd best Protoss in Europe
3rd-4th
no way sir
Do you think he's better than Naniwa, Socke, and White-Ra?
never hes not even top 5 imo but back to the topic: its just sad that one of the best bw-foreigners has some other (understandable)priorities in his life.... LiquidMondragon would be a DREAM tho and so epic but wont happen anyway
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Road_to_Korea Sase has been improving a lot lately. In group stages of dreamhack he went 10-1 in his group (which included Idra & Kas). Losing to Sen's beastly ZvP in the playoffs made him not stand out as much as the others, so he kinda went under the radar.
I'd definitely say he's top 3 European protoss right now, though. Socke is good but in terms of recent results he hasn't defeated any stars (though he's done really well with second at ETS). White-ra's much the same - he just hasn't been seen in many events recently.
After their return from Korea, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sase & Naniwa fighting it out for #1 in Europe regularly (overall, not just as protoss).
On July 18 2011 17:58 cyclone25 wrote: Mondragon only played ~900 games this season (ladder & cgs). He needs to practice more if he wants a good contract.
Yeah, he doesn't practice much, but when he does it, he becomes a beast
On July 18 2011 07:20 Ruscour wrote: They lost ParanOid...he is up and coming for sure
To all the people who said MYM hasn't been doing anything hasn't seen SaSe be consistent 2nd best Protoss in Europe
3rd-4th
no way sir
Do you think he's better than Naniwa, Socke, and White-Ra?
never hes not even top 5 imo but back to the topic: its just sad that one of the best bw-foreigners has some other (understandable)priorities in his life.... LiquidMondragon would be a DREAM tho and so epic but wont happen anyway
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Road_to_Korea Sase has been improving a lot lately. In group stages of dreamhack he went 10-1 in his group (which included Idra & Kas). Losing to Sen's beastly ZvP in the playoffs made him not stand out as much as the others, so he kinda went under the radar.
I'd definitely say he's top 3 European protoss right now, though. Socke is good but in terms of recent results he hasn't defeated any stars (though he's done really well with second at ETS). White-ra's much the same - he just hasn't been seen in many events recently.
After their return from Korea, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sase & Naniwa fighting it out for #1 in Europe regularly (overall, not just as protoss).
Sase will also be playing at Gamescon in a few weeks. Think is good time for him to shine.
Ugh, became a fan of MYM and their unbeatable DotA team. They don't have the shiny names playing SCII but some solid players. Sad to see Mondragon leave but not too surprised.
On July 18 2011 07:20 Ruscour wrote: They lost ParanOid...he is up and coming for sure
To all the people who said MYM hasn't been doing anything hasn't seen SaSe be consistent 2nd best Protoss in Europe
3rd-4th
no way sir
Do you think he's better than Naniwa, Socke, and White-Ra?
never hes not even top 5 imo but back to the topic: its just sad that one of the best bw-foreigners has some other (understandable)priorities in his life.... LiquidMondragon would be a DREAM tho and so epic but wont happen anyway
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Road_to_Korea Sase has been improving a lot lately. In group stages of dreamhack he went 10-1 in his group (which included Idra & Kas). Losing to Sen's beastly ZvP in the playoffs made him not stand out as much as the others, so he kinda went under the radar.
I'd definitely say he's top 3 European protoss right now, though. Socke is good but in terms of recent results he hasn't defeated any stars (though he's done really well with second at ETS). White-ra's much the same - he just hasn't been seen in many events recently.
After their return from Korea, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sase & Naniwa fighting it out for #1 in Europe regularly (overall, not just as protoss).
hehe no whire,ra,socke.naniwa,hasu and mana are better than him.if you dont believe it its ok. (hasu just won the esl tournament in spain (thorzain,socke,lucifron) and dont forget the close 1-2 against mc..TSL. etc. but of course all you guys forget everything and just the LAST thing counts and will be remembered at most.as always.thats how the brain works. id say he comes VERY close to the top 5 but he still have to prove it. and of course he improved a lot with even more laddergames than kas thinking in the long run is the way to think about Top-lists. Im too familiar with the european scene if sase will reach a final of a bigger tournament THEN i could eventually change my opinion "sase and DH".1 thing and voila hes in your toplist?oh dear. as i said i will wait for IEM cologne and korea sase in an established top 3/5list in the future? of course... why not. but we still live in the presence. im wishing him all the best
On July 18 2011 07:13 Skiba wrote: i got the same feeling for mym that i have for sk-gaming. both clans were very passiv during the beta/release stage of sc2 and struggling now to get top level players into their roster.
That's not true. While MYM wasn't as successful with their players as other teams, they were not inactive, not even during the beta, as SK was.
I think much of it is due to their players not being involved in winning tournaments as much, because they did what SK didn't do: picking up players who hadn't established themselves in SC2 yet (SaSe, ParanOid, XlorD, Mondragon and the two new ones I didn't even know about). But they did have Artosis, GARIMTO and ClouD since very early on. I think they had DeMusliM and NaNiWa too at one point, but I don't remember well at all lol.
Furthermore SaSe and XlorD are highly successful, just not in big stage tournaments, with SaSe even winning the Rakaka.se road to Korea and heading over there, and Mondragon making a good showing in the TSL despite losing to CrunCher, which wasn't a freewin for CrunCher either.
They're not up there yet and arguably could have done better, or at least have had more luck with their players. But Mondragon as well as XlorD weren't focusing on gaming in the beginning at all, for example.
On July 18 2011 07:21 Lambertus wrote: And also Mondi stated on his Facebook, that he will pretty sure join another eSports-Team soon. Ah, but!!! As a Manager and not a player!
Mondi to SK to repair their reputation? They have reis, but that would be the biggest derp in a while.
I can never get over ToT) My old economics notes even have ToT) written instead of TOT for Terms of Trade; ya just can't change that much to be part of mYm forever.
On July 18 2011 07:20 Ruscour wrote: They lost ParanOid...he is up and coming for sure
To all the people who said MYM hasn't been doing anything hasn't seen SaSe be consistent 2nd best Protoss in Europe
3rd-4th
no way sir
Do you think he's better than Naniwa, Socke, and White-Ra?
never hes not even top 5 imo but back to the topic: its just sad that one of the best bw-foreigners has some other (understandable)priorities in his life.... LiquidMondragon would be a DREAM tho and so epic but wont happen anyway
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Road_to_Korea Sase has been improving a lot lately. In group stages of dreamhack he went 10-1 in his group (which included Idra & Kas). Losing to Sen's beastly ZvP in the playoffs made him not stand out as much as the others, so he kinda went under the radar.
I'd definitely say he's top 3 European protoss right now, though. Socke is good but in terms of recent results he hasn't defeated any stars (though he's done really well with second at ETS). White-ra's much the same - he just hasn't been seen in many events recently.
After their return from Korea, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sase & Naniwa fighting it out for #1 in Europe regularly (overall, not just as protoss).
Sase is probably top 3 PvP in Europe, but definitely not top 3 protoss as long as he doesn't have better results.
At Dreamhack Socke managed to place first in a much harder group (BratOK, Morrow, Ret, Dimaga, Nightend and DieStar compared to Idra, Kas, Naama, Grubby, Merz) and he lost to Huk who won the tournament. White-Ra lost to the second place finisher. HasuObs advanced in a group with JulyZerg, Thorzain, Sjow and Machine and lost to Bomber, who defeated all protoss players he faced (MC, Mana, HasuObs).
Homestory Cup: Sase (lost to XlorD in the WB and Thorzain in the LB) Socke (lost to Idra in the WB and White-Ra in the LB) White-Ra (lost to Adelscott in the WB and Stephano in the LB) HasuObs (lost to Thorzain in the group and didn't advance out of his group with 2-1)
Edit: I'm not saying that Sase can't become a top 3 protoss. He plays a lot and could improve faster than the other protoss players.
hmmm, sounded like he's set on another team already... and he usually sticks around some other tots. So that's fnatic with Sen, EG with iNcontrol, cloud left behind in mym, and then haypro, ret in liquid.. so liquid doesn't seem so far fetched i think Hehe
On July 18 2011 20:52 ToT)ParanOid( wrote: I bet he wants ToT back, with him being exclusively manager this time .
And deal with polish noob zerg once again o.o? poor guy!!!
He doesnt want me in his new team, the reason was stated before: Im too bad T,.T! It feels even worse, I've been in ToT for few years, and now he dumps me like that...
I bet he'd have guys flocking to his banner in seconds if he did recreate ToT, they would join the proud tradition of ToT players who doesn't practice but still tears the scene up :D
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
Dno what you're talking about... Xlord is one of the scariest Zergs atm and Cloud has always been close to the top (good runs in EPS etc). Plus SaSe will be playing in Code A soon.
exactly man (and Xlord is still in school even if im not mistaken)
but on the issue of mondi not playing in tours... i srsly dont know why he is always like in the top 50 of GM when i look him up but you dont hear anything of him from any big tours (or even small ones) maybe he is busy with studying though ...
It takes $$$ to attend tournaments, and if the support wasn't there for it then its not mondragons fault. I also believe he was attending classes as well which made training for sc2 problematic at one point for him...not sure if that is true today or not.
On July 18 2011 20:52 ToT)ParanOid( wrote: I bet he wants ToT back, with him being exclusively manager this time .
And deal with polish noob zerg once again o.o? poor guy!!!
He doesnt want me in his new team, the reason was stated before: Im too bad T,.T! It feels even worse, I've been in ToT for few years, and now he dumps me like that...
Stop talking shit Rafa D: you know Dissy loves you, and so does everyone else :D and we all want ToT back. I hope it becomes reality.
On July 18 2011 07:12 Kira__ wrote: Liquid`Mondragon
oh yes
this sounds so awesome, but sadly mondi never will come back to actual pro gaming. he wants to manage. and these skills are sick too if you remember ToT. i dont know why mym doesnt want a contract with a guy who has such great leading skills and not to mention his scouting skills for talents. but as long as mondi manages to qualify for all the coming tsl's, i'm happy....gl you real life baller
On July 18 2011 23:18 arterian wrote: I could see him going to Fnatic seeing as they're going to be losing Sen soon, right?
On TL Attack Sen seemed to deflect the question of him leaving Fnatic. It sounded like he hadn't made his mind up quite yet.
Well a deflection is sort of not a good sign... if he's planning leaving Fnatic then he's not going to say so before his contract ends, at least not publicly.
On July 18 2011 20:52 ToT)ParanOid( wrote: I bet he wants ToT back, with him being exclusively manager this time .
And deal with polish noob zerg once again o.o? poor guy!!!
He doesnt want me in his new team, the reason was stated before: Im too bad T,.T! It feels even worse, I've been in ToT for few years, and now he dumps me like that...
Stop talking shit Rafa D: you know Dissy loves you, and so does everyone else :D and we all want ToT back. I hope it becomes reality.
i don't think Rafa is capable of NOT talking shit xD <3
They got the best Trackmaniaplayer Frostbeule (seems so that he wins always the WCG in TM^^) and of course the fifaplayer Kr0ne (former SK|Kr0ne with St!ya and Hero.), guys like tornado, deto or Acey are very known in germany and well the LoL team reached the second place in the german LoL-EPS. But it seems that they want nothing to do with first person shooter or team shooter like CS 1.6 or CS:S :/, well I hope they gonna kick the stupid clone LoL.. if DotA 2 comes out! add OK.HoN + KuroKy or KuroKy with his Gosugamers team and you got the best DotA 2 team in europe :D
On July 18 2011 07:21 Lambertus wrote: SaSe is going to Korea or is there, as far as i know...Mondi had a contract as Manager and not player, so he managed the team! XLorD and Cloud did very well the last months in many smaller tournaments in EU. So nothing to complain about. And also Mondi stated on his Facebook, that he will pretty sure join another eSports-Team soon. Ah, but!!! As a Manager and not a player!
On July 18 2011 07:09 stormtemplar wrote: Dunno what's up with MYM. I haven't seen any of their guys really doing much these days. Cloud's done some stuff but...
Dno what you're talking about... Xlord is one of the scariest Zergs atm and Cloud has always been close to the top (good runs in EPS etc). Plus SaSe will be playing in Code A soon.
While their team may not be doing bad, they certainly haven't put up that great of results compared to other teams. 1 code A player, and someone doing OK in a tourney isn't really anything special when looking at the scene as a whole.
On July 18 2011 23:18 arterian wrote: I could see him going to Fnatic seeing as they're going to be losing Sen soon, right?
On TL Attack Sen seemed to deflect the question of him leaving Fnatic. It sounded like he hadn't made his mind up quite yet.
Well a deflection is sort of not a good sign... if he's planning leaving Fnatic then he's not going to say so before his contract ends, at least not publicly.
Actually Sen already said he wouldn't renew the contract with Fnatic.
MYM organisation is not even near to what it was several years ago before the collapse. When they renewed it new sites were on its place. They are no tournaments organized from it and they sign contracts with ppl like Mondragon who are "inactive" and doesnt match the skll which is needed to be part of such a brand.
yeah Dimaga is in mTw and he said.. so long he feels great in mTw - so long he will stay in mTw and well mTw pays Dimaga alot i think, more as every clan would pay for Mr. Pain :x
Mondragon wasn't too active as far as I know anyway, he's a BW foreign legend but what has he really accomplished in sc2. nonetheless I hope this doesn't mean mondragon will quit.
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Mondragon' Semke parts with his organisation MeetYourMakers. Semke joined MYM in the beginning of 2011 with Daniel 'XlorD' Spenst![[image loading]](http://static.4players.de/premium/ContentImage/ab/54/59793-bild.png)
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