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KentHenry
Profile Joined August 2010
United States260 Posts
July 14 2011 14:01 GMT
#381
On July 14 2011 22:58 Novalisk wrote:
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On July 14 2011 22:55 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:50 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:49 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:37 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:36 KentHenry wrote:
All I'm going to say is that men will always be superior to women at things they do, for example sports. I'm not saying women don't contribute anything to society, it's just that men tend to be more athletic and superior at almost everything. Good luck to her though, Eve fighting!!!

On a side note: I hope she pwns Idra, Destiny and any other cocky player. I ♥ Idra, even though he's cocky. ^^

...Why so sexist?


Just being honest. lol


Well you are honestly stupid I'll grant you that.


U mad??? Tossgirl didn't really do to well in Brood War, it's not common for girls to do well e sports. Also there's no need to insult me...


There's no need for you to insult an entire gender based on the performance of a small percentage who tried.

I wasn't insulting the female gender, I know women have contributed a lot when it comes to real life, such as calculus, medicine, science and house-hold products we use today. I was just stating that men are superior. ¯\ _(ツ) _/¯
Alokiya
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States648 Posts
July 14 2011 14:01 GMT
#382
On July 14 2011 22:55 KentHenry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 22:50 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:49 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:37 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:36 KentHenry wrote:
All I'm going to say is that men will always be superior to women at things they do, for example sports. I'm not saying women don't contribute anything to society, it's just that men tend to be more athletic and superior at almost everything. Good luck to her though, Eve fighting!!!

On a side note: I hope she pwns Idra, Destiny and any other cocky player. I ♥ Idra, even though he's cocky. ^^

...Why so sexist?


Just being honest. lol


Well you are honestly stupid I'll grant you that.


U mad??? Tossgirl didn't really do to well in Brood War, it's not common for girls to do well e sports. Also there's no need to insult me...



There is plenty of reason to insult you when you come out with a sexist attitude like that, maybe tossgirl didn't do well in bw, but does that say that women are completely incapable of being good at sc? no, it just means tossgirl wasn't amazing.
C'mon my guppies, swim up my stream! - Day[9]
Woshie
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia90 Posts
July 14 2011 14:01 GMT
#383
There is no reason why a woman could not perform as good if not better in a computer game. The probable reason why mainly guys are doing so well at the top level is simply due to the numbers of males playing games vs females.

having said that though

SlayerS_Jessica herself scouted based on her skills and looks.


That line kind of disappointed me with the "and looks". I hope something was lost in translation. Because honestly if she is a good player she could have one tooth and the face of a horses backside for all I care. The games are what matters.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
July 14 2011 14:01 GMT
#384
On July 14 2011 22:59 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 22:55 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:50 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:49 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:37 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:36 KentHenry wrote:
All I'm going to say is that men will always be superior to women at things they do, for example sports. I'm not saying women don't contribute anything to society, it's just that men tend to be more athletic and superior at almost everything. Good luck to her though, Eve fighting!!!

On a side note: I hope she pwns Idra, Destiny and any other cocky player. I ♥ Idra, even though he's cocky. ^^

...Why so sexist?


Just being honest. lol


Well you are honestly stupid I'll grant you that.


U mad??? Tossgirl didn't really do to well in Brood War, it's not common for girls to do well e sports. Also there's no need to insult me...

Your post contained overt misogynistic tones and had no place in the thread. "All I'm going to say is that men will always be superior to women at things they do." I do feel the need to insult you because your stupidity and misogyny is insulting to me. Yes biologically men tend to be more athletic than women but for one it's completely irrelevant in e-sports, and second that doesn't mean "men will always be superior at everything they do."

I'm just confused why he isn't banned already for his comment. Such language would get you fired from most jobs.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 14 2011 14:02 GMT
#385
On July 14 2011 23:01 KentHenry wrote:
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On July 14 2011 22:58 Novalisk wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:55 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:50 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:49 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:37 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:36 KentHenry wrote:
All I'm going to say is that men will always be superior to women at things they do, for example sports. I'm not saying women don't contribute anything to society, it's just that men tend to be more athletic and superior at almost everything. Good luck to her though, Eve fighting!!!

On a side note: I hope she pwns Idra, Destiny and any other cocky player. I ♥ Idra, even though he's cocky. ^^

...Why so sexist?


Just being honest. lol


Well you are honestly stupid I'll grant you that.


U mad??? Tossgirl didn't really do to well in Brood War, it's not common for girls to do well e sports. Also there's no need to insult me...


There's no need for you to insult an entire gender based on the performance of a small percentage who tried.

I wasn't insulting the female gender, I know women have contributed a lot when it comes to real life, such as calculus, medicine, science and house-hold products we use today. I was just stating that men are superior. ¯\ _(ツ) _/¯

Trolling or mentally handicapped, take your pick.
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 14:06:05
July 14 2011 14:05 GMT
#386
On July 14 2011 23:01 Woshie wrote:
There is no reason why a woman could not perform as good if not better in a computer game. The probable reason why mainly guys are doing so well at the top level is simply due to the numbers of males playing games vs females.

having said that though

Show nested quote +
SlayerS_Jessica herself scouted based on her skills and looks.


That line kind of disappointed me with the "and looks". I hope something was lost in translation. Because honestly if she is a good player she could have one tooth and the face of a horses backside for all I care. The games are what matters.

Right have ment, the way she looked from a gaming POV, not from a body pov

Like, she looks professional
not like
she looks great
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
July 14 2011 14:06 GMT
#387
Jessica is really making SlayerS marketable. Skills and good looks will make SlayerS very popular with sponsors.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 14:10:11
July 14 2011 14:06 GMT
#388
Meh. I had such high expectations after clicking on this thread. Not the savior we need after such a bad start to the season.

I suppose it's cool in a way, if she doesn't make it in GSTL and all, she can at least take some wins at MLG and other events.

PS. I hope that's 22 Korean age. Still kinda old though for a progaming career start.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 14:07:34
July 14 2011 14:06 GMT
#389
On July 14 2011 23:01 Woshie wrote:
There is no reason why a woman could not perform as good if not better in a computer game. The probable reason why mainly guys are doing so well at the top level is simply due to the numbers of males playing games vs females.

having said that though

Show nested quote +
SlayerS_Jessica herself scouted based on her skills and looks.


That line kind of disappointed me with the "and looks". I hope something was lost in translation. Because honestly if she is a good player she could have one tooth and the face of a horses backside for all I care. The games are what matters.


It's business. If you have to pick between two players with about the same skill, you should always go after the one that has the potential of bringing you more fans and sponsors.
/commercial
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
July 14 2011 14:08 GMT
#390
I think it was a good choice tbh. Eve fighting ^-^V
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
DonkeyShot
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany63 Posts
July 14 2011 14:09 GMT
#391
On July 14 2011 22:44 CaptainTwig wrote:
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On July 14 2011 22:02 DonkeyShot wrote:
On July 14 2011 21:03 CaptainTwig wrote:
On July 14 2011 20:11 DonkeyShot wrote:
Really questionable decision. It's incredible that this gets so much positive feedback.

Regardless of how well she can actually play, this is clearly a publicity move. That in itself wouldn't be too bad but:

1. It appears like a demonstration of equal opportunities and emancipation while
2. subversively reinforcing chauvinistic stereotypes by associating womens success with their appeal to men.

So it's not just sexist, it even disguises itself as the opposite. It puts womens success at the mercy of their appeal towards men, which is one of the most subtle and unfair prejudices towards women. And you cannot tell me that her looks and appeal to men did not play a role in her recruitment. They could have picked thousands of other girls. And if one tries to argue that one has to pick from the thousands of girls by some aspect, then making it her looks reinforces the picture of the dominance of male interest whether you want it or not.

The people here saying that her looks are not important are making it even worse, because they are acting as if this issue did not actually exist. Even if she plays well, it still reinforces the stereotype that only women who appeal to men can be successful. And the same is true for TossGirl.

You should rethink your enthusiasm.


'sexism' I think thats taking it a bit far. claiming this is a scheme to excisise womens rights publicly, I would say is closer to sexism my friend

She was picked to appeal to men? aruable
She was picked for her looks? Yes she was. Jessica publicly announced it!

Jessica publicly announced it. Doesn't that mean anything to you? for me personally it's just another reminder that Korea isn't England or American or Germany etc. You need to apply some culteral context to the sitaution as I said earlier Let's not forget Korea is on the other side of the planet, being attractive in Korea is a big deal, seeking beauty isn't looked at as being something shallow or insubstantial.


Cultural context is important, I agree, but it is not an excuse. It's hard to argue for cultural relativism in a globalised world and the starcraft scene of wich this is a part goes far beyond Korea. In particular, this picture is not just presented to Koreans but to us as well und is thus not just a part of their culture but of ours as well. I do not see good looks as virtuous because I do not think it is a conscious decision to look good and if Koreans think otherwise (I trust you on this) then I have to disagree because I do not see how these values could exist independently of each other today.

Also, I do not have a problem with "schemes" to exercise womens rights publicly. My problem is that this appears to be one while it is actually reinforcing unfair rolemodels.

On July 14 2011 21:15 Novalisk wrote:

Sex appeal isn't the only appeal. If a grandmaster girl came around, men would like her even if she wasn't a looker.


That's not the point. It's about putting pretty girls in positions where Grandmasters girls are supposed to be.



I understand that it's a global league for a global audience but just becausing GSL is gaining viewers from oversees doesnt mean they studenly gain knowledge of all the countries they broadcast to. Take for example the constant spelling and grammitical errors that pop up all the time. This alone makes me think the bridge between us and them has a few holes, and things are getting lost in translation.
Regarding whether these values of beauty still excist, I really couldn't say. Spending a few months in korea I became really aware of the significant of being attractive. but maybe I was to generalising on that subject in my previous post. I'll let someone more deep-rooted in south korean society tackle that subject.

Here's an interesting post made earlier in the thread.
Show nested quote +

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physiognomy
Physiognomy has been pretty popular in Korea around 40 years ago, so about 2 generations ago. It's pretty much leftover from that popular belief. I think my mum still believes it.



I'm not blaming them for ignorance towards their widened cultural context. I think there is something wrong with what they see as acceptable and I try to point that out. It's part of the process of cultural exchange. Only because they do not (yet) notice their grammatical mistakes it does not mean there's nothing wrong with it, even though they do not seem so important and someone should point that out if they think it is important. I'm not saying "they should have known", but "i dont think that's okay" (e.g. Physiognomy)

Btw, I'm sorry if I can't respond to everyone so quickly. I'm on a tablet device and al that posting, quoting and editing is kind of cumbersome
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 14 2011 14:10 GMT
#392
Whatever happens, she better beat the shit out of Idra if they ever meet.
WriterXiao8~~
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2011 14:10 GMT
#393
SlayerS_ clan:

BoxeR's Boys and Ga-Yeon's Girls.
kiss kiss fall in love
CidO
Profile Joined June 2010
United States695 Posts
July 14 2011 14:14 GMT
#394
Interesting, and I was all :D until I got to "She also added that she played the original game in elementary school where she mained Terran, and her choice has subsequently remained the same." then I was ( WTB Zerggirl. Time to check out the team league!
:P
eVolvE342
Profile Joined January 2011
157 Posts
July 14 2011 14:15 GMT
#395
i understand that it makes good business sense to bring in people who will give you more fans/sponsors (good looking players/ personalities) but I hope that slayers jessica didnt really come out and say that they picked her up for her looks in addition to her skill... that just sounds really backwards but i suppose at least honest.

anyways best of luck to Eve! hopefully she will make a nice splash in esports and help slayers give me more points than just 1 this fantasy season.
k!llua
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia895 Posts
July 14 2011 14:16 GMT
#396
who wants to put bets on which progamer is gonna be the first one to make eve cry? i'm betting MC, he'd roll over her like a bawss.
my hair is a wookie, your argument is invalid
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
July 14 2011 14:16 GMT
#397
Ok, that IS the most beautiful girl I've ever seen, I'm almost crying right now.

I'm sad now
Sword of Omens, give me sight beyond sight.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
July 14 2011 14:16 GMT
#398
On July 14 2011 23:02 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 23:01 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:58 Novalisk wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:55 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:50 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:49 KentHenry wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:37 Olinim wrote:
On July 14 2011 22:36 KentHenry wrote:
All I'm going to say is that men will always be superior to women at things they do, for example sports. I'm not saying women don't contribute anything to society, it's just that men tend to be more athletic and superior at almost everything. Good luck to her though, Eve fighting!!!

On a side note: I hope she pwns Idra, Destiny and any other cocky player. I ♥ Idra, even though he's cocky. ^^

...Why so sexist?


Just being honest. lol


Well you are honestly stupid I'll grant you that.


U mad??? Tossgirl didn't really do to well in Brood War, it's not common for girls to do well e sports. Also there's no need to insult me...


There's no need for you to insult an entire gender based on the performance of a small percentage who tried.

I wasn't insulting the female gender, I know women have contributed a lot when it comes to real life, such as calculus, medicine, science and house-hold products we use today. I was just stating that men are superior. ¯\ _(ツ) _/¯

Trolling or mentally handicapped, take your pick.

Is both an option?
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 14 2011 14:18 GMT
#399
On July 14 2011 23:16 k!llua wrote:
who wants to put bets on which progamer is gonna be the first one to make eve cry? i'm betting MC, he'd roll over her like a bawss.

"Even though marauder so imba, me so ezy win" xD
StarCraft64
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States354 Posts
July 14 2011 14:19 GMT
#400
On July 14 2011 22:51 vojnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 22:36 KentHenry wrote:
All I'm going to say is that men will always be superior to women at things they do, for example sports. I'm not saying women don't contribute anything to society, it's just that men tend to be more athletic and superior at almost everything. Good luck to her though, Eve fighting!!!

On a side note: I hope she pwns Idra, Destiny and any other cocky player. I ♥ Idra, even though he's cocky. ^^


its a scientific fact that men tend to be more athletic than women, but this is e-sports, and from what i heard women handle multitasking much better

Very true. Women consistently prove to be superior multitaskers. They also have better listening skills, and will probably be much less likely to ignore an in-game audio alert.

On her name, I was hoping she would go the same route as Alicia and have a name that's counter indicative of her gender. Something like SlayerS_Rupert or SlayerS_Stephen.
Elaborate euphemisms may conceal your intent to kill, but behind any use of power over another the ultimate assumption remains: "I feed on your energy."
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