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On June 23 2011 18:05 Legace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:40 BaLoO- wrote:On June 23 2011 06:32 wideye wrote:
how do you think these guys do? i only really see naniwa winning a round in code a. or is that just my korean bias? I guess it depends when they arrive in Korea, the sooner they'll be there the greatest their chances will be. Thorzain and Naniwa at 100% can definitely take down a low code A player in a bo3, Fenix is inconsistent so it would depend of his shape imo, idk for Sase, i'm almost sure he could win a PvP against almost everyone, for both others MU it's probably dependant of its training aswell. Otherwise, does SaSe got a spot into code A ? The others have invite ok, np, but SaSe may have to go through the quali (couldn't really follow the Road to Korea sry). On June 23 2011 06:35 Juanald wrote:
wow great news seeing more americans getting exposure in GSL. would be amazing if tt1 and gretorp could join him Huh ? Fenix is peruvian or ? Ok nvm for the second part, Peruvians are actually Americans i know. ThorZaIN took games out of MC in both the TSL and MLG and if it weren't for the extended series bullshit at MLG he could have won against MC, again. MC isn't exactly your average run of the mill Code A/S player. Now, given proper preparations, I think ThorZaIN can beat 90% of the Code A players. But given the uncertainty of things for Code A august, he might aswell face Polt in his first match -.-;; Anyway, it'll be fun watching Fenix playing a hugely agressive game versus the Koreans, Bomber had some success with that, no? GL Fenix.
Just depends on matchups really....ThorZaiN could get really unlucky and face someone like DongRaeGu in the first round, and his zvt is as strong as any in the world, yet thorzain's TvZ is his worst matchup, even though it's still probably the best TvZ in Europe. Or face some absolute terran Beast like MMA, Ryung or TheStc. SaSe could probably beat a number of Koreans PvP, a matchup he's extremely good at, but as we saw when he played vs Sen, if he gets a zerg he may well struggle unless he finds a solution. So really you have to hope you get a favourable draw, like HuK certainly got  They'll need some luck for sure!
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On June 23 2011 19:45 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 18:05 Legace wrote:On June 23 2011 06:40 BaLoO- wrote:On June 23 2011 06:32 wideye wrote:
how do you think these guys do? i only really see naniwa winning a round in code a. or is that just my korean bias? I guess it depends when they arrive in Korea, the sooner they'll be there the greatest their chances will be. Thorzain and Naniwa at 100% can definitely take down a low code A player in a bo3, Fenix is inconsistent so it would depend of his shape imo, idk for Sase, i'm almost sure he could win a PvP against almost everyone, for both others MU it's probably dependant of its training aswell. Otherwise, does SaSe got a spot into code A ? The others have invite ok, np, but SaSe may have to go through the quali (couldn't really follow the Road to Korea sry). On June 23 2011 06:35 Juanald wrote:
wow great news seeing more americans getting exposure in GSL. would be amazing if tt1 and gretorp could join him Huh ? Fenix is peruvian or ? Ok nvm for the second part, Peruvians are actually Americans i know. ThorZaIN took games out of MC in both the TSL and MLG and if it weren't for the extended series bullshit at MLG he could have won against MC, again. MC isn't exactly your average run of the mill Code A/S player. Now, given proper preparations, I think ThorZaIN can beat 90% of the Code A players. But given the uncertainty of things for Code A august, he might aswell face Polt in his first match -.-;; Anyway, it'll be fun watching Fenix playing a hugely agressive game versus the Koreans, Bomber had some success with that, no? GL Fenix. Just depends on matchups really....ThorZaiN could get really unlucky and face someone like DongRaeGu in the first round, and his zvt is as strong as any in the world, yet thorzain's TvZ is his worst matchup, even though it's still probably the best TvZ in Europe. Or face some absolute terran Beast like MMA, Ryung or TheStc. SaSe could probably beat a number of Koreans PvP, a matchup he's extremely good at, but as we saw when he played vs Sen, if he gets a zerg he may well struggle unless he finds a solution. So really you have to hope you get a favourable draw, like HuK certainly got They'll need some luck for sure!
Oh yeah? Thorzain's TvZ best in europe? Really?
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Woot for fenix ^^ very fun terran to watch.. hope he has success
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On June 23 2011 19:46 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 19:45 AxionSteel wrote:On June 23 2011 18:05 Legace wrote:On June 23 2011 06:40 BaLoO- wrote:On June 23 2011 06:32 wideye wrote:
how do you think these guys do? i only really see naniwa winning a round in code a. or is that just my korean bias? I guess it depends when they arrive in Korea, the sooner they'll be there the greatest their chances will be. Thorzain and Naniwa at 100% can definitely take down a low code A player in a bo3, Fenix is inconsistent so it would depend of his shape imo, idk for Sase, i'm almost sure he could win a PvP against almost everyone, for both others MU it's probably dependant of its training aswell. Otherwise, does SaSe got a spot into code A ? The others have invite ok, np, but SaSe may have to go through the quali (couldn't really follow the Road to Korea sry). On June 23 2011 06:35 Juanald wrote:
wow great news seeing more americans getting exposure in GSL. would be amazing if tt1 and gretorp could join him Huh ? Fenix is peruvian or ? Ok nvm for the second part, Peruvians are actually Americans i know. ThorZaIN took games out of MC in both the TSL and MLG and if it weren't for the extended series bullshit at MLG he could have won against MC, again. MC isn't exactly your average run of the mill Code A/S player. Now, given proper preparations, I think ThorZaIN can beat 90% of the Code A players. But given the uncertainty of things for Code A august, he might aswell face Polt in his first match -.-;; Anyway, it'll be fun watching Fenix playing a hugely agressive game versus the Koreans, Bomber had some success with that, no? GL Fenix. Just depends on matchups really....ThorZaiN could get really unlucky and face someone like DongRaeGu in the first round, and his zvt is as strong as any in the world, yet thorzain's TvZ is his worst matchup, even though it's still probably the best TvZ in Europe. Or face some absolute terran Beast like MMA, Ryung or TheStc. SaSe could probably beat a number of Koreans PvP, a matchup he's extremely good at, but as we saw when he played vs Sen, if he gets a zerg he may well struggle unless he finds a solution. So really you have to hope you get a favourable draw, like HuK certainly got They'll need some luck for sure! Oh yeah? Thorzain's TvZ best in europe? Really?
Who's is better?
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On June 23 2011 02:51 RESTRiCT wrote:
I think sheth qualified straight up?
You're absolutely right, sir!
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On June 23 2011 19:49 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 19:46 OutlaW- wrote:On June 23 2011 19:45 AxionSteel wrote:On June 23 2011 18:05 Legace wrote:On June 23 2011 06:40 BaLoO- wrote:On June 23 2011 06:32 wideye wrote:
how do you think these guys do? i only really see naniwa winning a round in code a. or is that just my korean bias? I guess it depends when they arrive in Korea, the sooner they'll be there the greatest their chances will be. Thorzain and Naniwa at 100% can definitely take down a low code A player in a bo3, Fenix is inconsistent so it would depend of his shape imo, idk for Sase, i'm almost sure he could win a PvP against almost everyone, for both others MU it's probably dependant of its training aswell. Otherwise, does SaSe got a spot into code A ? The others have invite ok, np, but SaSe may have to go through the quali (couldn't really follow the Road to Korea sry). On June 23 2011 06:35 Juanald wrote:
wow great news seeing more americans getting exposure in GSL. would be amazing if tt1 and gretorp could join him Huh ? Fenix is peruvian or ? Ok nvm for the second part, Peruvians are actually Americans i know. ThorZaIN took games out of MC in both the TSL and MLG and if it weren't for the extended series bullshit at MLG he could have won against MC, again. MC isn't exactly your average run of the mill Code A/S player. Now, given proper preparations, I think ThorZaIN can beat 90% of the Code A players. But given the uncertainty of things for Code A august, he might aswell face Polt in his first match -.-;; Anyway, it'll be fun watching Fenix playing a hugely agressive game versus the Koreans, Bomber had some success with that, no? GL Fenix. Just depends on matchups really....ThorZaiN could get really unlucky and face someone like DongRaeGu in the first round, and his zvt is as strong as any in the world, yet thorzain's TvZ is his worst matchup, even though it's still probably the best TvZ in Europe. Or face some absolute terran Beast like MMA, Ryung or TheStc. SaSe could probably beat a number of Koreans PvP, a matchup he's extremely good at, but as we saw when he played vs Sen, if he gets a zerg he may well struggle unless he finds a solution. So really you have to hope you get a favourable draw, like HuK certainly got They'll need some luck for sure! Oh yeah? Thorzain's TvZ best in europe? Really? Who's is better?
Happy? Cloud? Brat ok? It's okay not to follow the EU scene, but if you don't, don't make such big generalisations. If not for the TSL, you wouldn't know thorzain.
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On June 23 2011 21:05 Balombas wrote:You're absolutely right, sir!
Really? ._. i checked the GOMtv.net Code A GSL July schedule and there isn't a single foreigner in there. I'm pretty sure Sheth missed the Code A qualifiers, cos I was following the FXO/CSN live stream :3
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On June 23 2011 19:45 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 18:05 Legace wrote:On June 23 2011 06:40 BaLoO- wrote:On June 23 2011 06:32 wideye wrote:
how do you think these guys do? i only really see naniwa winning a round in code a. or is that just my korean bias? I guess it depends when they arrive in Korea, the sooner they'll be there the greatest their chances will be. Thorzain and Naniwa at 100% can definitely take down a low code A player in a bo3, Fenix is inconsistent so it would depend of his shape imo, idk for Sase, i'm almost sure he could win a PvP against almost everyone, for both others MU it's probably dependant of its training aswell. Otherwise, does SaSe got a spot into code A ? The others have invite ok, np, but SaSe may have to go through the quali (couldn't really follow the Road to Korea sry). On June 23 2011 06:35 Juanald wrote:
wow great news seeing more americans getting exposure in GSL. would be amazing if tt1 and gretorp could join him Huh ? Fenix is peruvian or ? Ok nvm for the second part, Peruvians are actually Americans i know. ThorZaIN took games out of MC in both the TSL and MLG and if it weren't for the extended series bullshit at MLG he could have won against MC, again. MC isn't exactly your average run of the mill Code A/S player. Now, given proper preparations, I think ThorZaIN can beat 90% of the Code A players. But given the uncertainty of things for Code A august, he might aswell face Polt in his first match -.-;; Anyway, it'll be fun watching Fenix playing a hugely agressive game versus the Koreans, Bomber had some success with that, no? GL Fenix. Just depends on matchups really....ThorZaiN could get really unlucky and face someone like DongRaeGu in the first round, and his zvt is as strong as any in the world, yet thorzain's TvZ is his worst matchup, even though it's still probably the best TvZ in Europe. Or face some absolute terran Beast like MMA, Ryung or TheStc. SaSe could probably beat a number of Koreans PvP, a matchup he's extremely good at, but as we saw when he played vs Sen, if he gets a zerg he may well struggle unless he finds a solution. So really you have to hope you get a favourable draw, like HuK certainly got They'll need some luck for sure!
I think he can beat almost anyone, if he has time to prepare for the match up. He seems like a very technical player who can win if he prepares. If it is a short notice match, then his chances of winning go way down I think.
Also, I really don't see Fenix doing well at all...
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On June 23 2011 23:44 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 19:49 AxionSteel wrote:On June 23 2011 19:46 OutlaW- wrote:On June 23 2011 19:45 AxionSteel wrote:On June 23 2011 18:05 Legace wrote:On June 23 2011 06:40 BaLoO- wrote:On June 23 2011 06:32 wideye wrote:
how do you think these guys do? i only really see naniwa winning a round in code a. or is that just my korean bias? I guess it depends when they arrive in Korea, the sooner they'll be there the greatest their chances will be. Thorzain and Naniwa at 100% can definitely take down a low code A player in a bo3, Fenix is inconsistent so it would depend of his shape imo, idk for Sase, i'm almost sure he could win a PvP against almost everyone, for both others MU it's probably dependant of its training aswell. Otherwise, does SaSe got a spot into code A ? The others have invite ok, np, but SaSe may have to go through the quali (couldn't really follow the Road to Korea sry). On June 23 2011 06:35 Juanald wrote:
wow great news seeing more americans getting exposure in GSL. would be amazing if tt1 and gretorp could join him Huh ? Fenix is peruvian or ? Ok nvm for the second part, Peruvians are actually Americans i know. ThorZaIN took games out of MC in both the TSL and MLG and if it weren't for the extended series bullshit at MLG he could have won against MC, again. MC isn't exactly your average run of the mill Code A/S player. Now, given proper preparations, I think ThorZaIN can beat 90% of the Code A players. But given the uncertainty of things for Code A august, he might aswell face Polt in his first match -.-;; Anyway, it'll be fun watching Fenix playing a hugely agressive game versus the Koreans, Bomber had some success with that, no? GL Fenix. Just depends on matchups really....ThorZaiN could get really unlucky and face someone like DongRaeGu in the first round, and his zvt is as strong as any in the world, yet thorzain's TvZ is his worst matchup, even though it's still probably the best TvZ in Europe. Or face some absolute terran Beast like MMA, Ryung or TheStc. SaSe could probably beat a number of Koreans PvP, a matchup he's extremely good at, but as we saw when he played vs Sen, if he gets a zerg he may well struggle unless he finds a solution. So really you have to hope you get a favourable draw, like HuK certainly got They'll need some luck for sure! Oh yeah? Thorzain's TvZ best in europe? Really? Who's is better? Happy? Cloud? Brat ok? It's okay not to follow the EU scene, but if you don't, don't make such big generalisations. If not for the TSL, you wouldn't know thorzain.
I follow the EU scene very closely actually, and I doubt those 3 have better tvz than him.  You don't have to have loads of achievements (not that cloud or happy have any) to notice a player who plays the game at another level to others.
But this thread is about Fenix. gogo Fenix!!
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Hopefully Fenix gives us some good games. I'm excited to see all the new foreign blood in GSL, I just hope they can get past a round or two without getting totally stomped. Good luck and congrats to Fenix for going.
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On June 23 2011 23:44 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 19:49 AxionSteel wrote:On June 23 2011 19:46 OutlaW- wrote:On June 23 2011 19:45 AxionSteel wrote:On June 23 2011 18:05 Legace wrote:On June 23 2011 06:40 BaLoO- wrote:On June 23 2011 06:32 wideye wrote:
how do you think these guys do? i only really see naniwa winning a round in code a. or is that just my korean bias? I guess it depends when they arrive in Korea, the sooner they'll be there the greatest their chances will be. Thorzain and Naniwa at 100% can definitely take down a low code A player in a bo3, Fenix is inconsistent so it would depend of his shape imo, idk for Sase, i'm almost sure he could win a PvP against almost everyone, for both others MU it's probably dependant of its training aswell. Otherwise, does SaSe got a spot into code A ? The others have invite ok, np, but SaSe may have to go through the quali (couldn't really follow the Road to Korea sry). On June 23 2011 06:35 Juanald wrote:
wow great news seeing more americans getting exposure in GSL. would be amazing if tt1 and gretorp could join him Huh ? Fenix is peruvian or ? Ok nvm for the second part, Peruvians are actually Americans i know. ThorZaIN took games out of MC in both the TSL and MLG and if it weren't for the extended series bullshit at MLG he could have won against MC, again. MC isn't exactly your average run of the mill Code A/S player. Now, given proper preparations, I think ThorZaIN can beat 90% of the Code A players. But given the uncertainty of things for Code A august, he might aswell face Polt in his first match -.-;; Anyway, it'll be fun watching Fenix playing a hugely agressive game versus the Koreans, Bomber had some success with that, no? GL Fenix. Just depends on matchups really....ThorZaiN could get really unlucky and face someone like DongRaeGu in the first round, and his zvt is as strong as any in the world, yet thorzain's TvZ is his worst matchup, even though it's still probably the best TvZ in Europe. Or face some absolute terran Beast like MMA, Ryung or TheStc. SaSe could probably beat a number of Koreans PvP, a matchup he's extremely good at, but as we saw when he played vs Sen, if he gets a zerg he may well struggle unless he finds a solution. So really you have to hope you get a favourable draw, like HuK certainly got They'll need some luck for sure! Oh yeah? Thorzain's TvZ best in europe? Really? Who's is better? Happy? Cloud? Brat ok? It's okay not to follow the EU scene, but if you don't, don't make such big generalisations. If not for the TSL, you wouldn't know thorzain.
Don't forget KawaiiRice too, his TvT is good and his TvP is mediocre, but his TvZ is just amazing. (EDIT: I realize it said EU, not Foreign. My bad lol)
I mean, Ret and July both beat Thorzain, they were great series, to say TZ has the best foreign TvZ is a bit of a stretch right now. Certainly it isn't a serious liability though.
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No offense to Fenix, but was there no one better to send over?
Hes a great player, but I don't think hes exactly on level with Naniwa and Thorzain.
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Sheth said on SOTG that he didn't want to compete in Code A. He was given a spot anyway since FXO is going for the GSTL but he said specifically it isn't worth it to compete in Code A.
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On June 24 2011 03:13 Cloud9157 wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but was there no one better to send over?
Hes a great player, but I don't think hes exactly on level with Naniwa and Thorzain.
Do you even know how the MLG/GSL exchange program works?
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Im sure he does... And I agree with him.
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Awesome! I'm sure there is some people in Korea that Fenix could meet that he used to play BroodWar with! Fenix used to be in By clan on BW, a true foreign gosu. ^_^
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On June 24 2011 03:30 GreEny K wrote:
Im sure he does... And I agree with him.
Well, then you are the one who doesn't understand. The MLG program is based on merit, not "who's better". Fenix placed high at MLG. He earned the spot. GSL can't "find better players" because they didn't place high at MLG.
Lol... why is a straightforward rule so difficult for some people.
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On June 24 2011 03:20 ThePrince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 03:13 Cloud9157 wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but was there no one better to send over?
Hes a great player, but I don't think hes exactly on level with Naniwa and Thorzain. Do you even know how the MLG/GSL exchange program works?
I do, but I didn't think he placed that well.
Props to him regardless. Hope he reps foreigners well.
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On June 24 2011 03:45 ThePrince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 03:30 GreEny K wrote:
Im sure he does... And I agree with him. Well, then you are the one who doesn't understand. The MLG program is based on merit, not "who's better". Fenix placed high at MLG. He earned the spot. GSL can't "find better players" because they didn't place high at MLG. Lol... why is a straightforward rule so difficult for some people.
Maybe because Fenix is not hyped enough? he doesn't talk smack in his interviews. I am pretty sure people wouldn't be talking so much shit if the invitee was Major for example. Nevertheless when I watch Major play against Fenix in the stream Major gets the worst of it 4 out of 5 times...
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The guy went through the whole Open Bracket, beat Sheth then lost to SLush in a pretty close series. But nah, he's trash, why do they even bother sending him?
Oh, I love the nature of forums!
Congratulations to Fenix and best of luck!
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