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Merany
France890 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:31 NickelStarCraft wrote: Sorry dude, your wrong. Terran does in fact require more micro. You can rant all you want about whatever you want but your simply wrong. How so? Terran requires more micro in their vZ matchup, but then PvP is the most micro oriented matchup in the game. It's pretty similar overall. | ||
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Heavenly
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On June 17 2011 08:31 NickelStarCraft wrote: Sorry dude, your wrong. Terran does in fact require more micro. You can rant all you want about whatever you want but your simply wrong. What an interesting argument, I never thought about it that way. | ||
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-UMADIMSTYLIN-
Cuba292 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:32 GoDLy MD wrote: That's an opinion not a fact. care to back it up? I swear this kid has downsyndrome, yes TERRAN does require more micro. Just watch high level play. Lol, or watch IdrA 1a his army User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:31 NickelStarCraft wrote: Sorry dude, your wrong. Terran does in fact require more micro. You can rant all you want about whatever you want but your simply wrong. Just because you have units that move at 3.375 speed does not mean it requires more micro. Protoss out of all races has the most casters and the most active unit production--you have to actually look away to create units. On top of this the race has biggest emphasis on meaningful unit formation (Terran and Zerg almost non existent), and landing multiple spells correctly to trade even. I.E The way Morrow was describing ZvP battles ( Blink micro, FF's/Storms, Colossus focus firing Infestors, etc) EDIT: Watch the Xiaot vs MC Starswars game also, there were micro battles going on so intense that both players hit 400APM for periods of time. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:38 ChrisGraphex wrote: I swear this kid has downsyndrome, yes TERRAN does require more micro. Just watch high level play. Lol, or watch IdrA 1a his army Lmao wtf? Because IdrA is a protoss right? You guys have to be trolling. Watch MC play, his APM is almost always higher than any terran opponent. Thorzain's APM was about 170 and around 230 in battles in their games, IdrA's APM is around the same, MC has ~300, higher during battle, and he has spiked up to 400+. Who does more micro depends solely on the player, the fact you are trying to argue that one race is more micro intensive than another is retarded. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:22 Heavenly wrote: Then maybe you shouldn't say things that are deserving of being mocked? Please show me a recent high level late game PvZ where the protoss went colossus/voidray. Or do you think that no PvZ games at the high level go to late game? You beat it the same way you beat anything else. Roach/infestor/corruptor with an emphasis on infestors and corruptor overkill, since infestor/roach will take out stalkers. The infestor buff made the composition weak to fungal and neural parasite. 1) Worthy of being mocked? You should calm down, I know it's a heated balance discussion but I asked an actual question, I wasn't trying to make a point. The only thing "worthy of being mocked" was your answer. 2)No, honestly, all ZvPs I've seen recently have either been an early timing push from one or the other, or ended badly for the zerg. I was under the impression that this is what had been figured out, how to kill the protoss early. 3) Thanks for finally answering. If you know of such a game, I'd like to see it. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:41 InToTheWannaB wrote: WoW! Does anyone find it amazing that only 1% of players beat the single player on brutal? Being on TL so much and playing with BW vets in such a insular hardcore community. You forget that 99% of people are noobs that just want to fly big motherships around the map. Its really pretty neat that Blizzard focus as much as they do on us because we clearly are not the majority lol. There are many people who really don't care about campaign, myself included, I started it on hard or brutal and haven't even played 3 missions. I don't see whats so HARDCORE about beating a single player. Scripted encounters, you can play em over and over till you win. GJ. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:41 MilesTeg wrote: 1) Worthy of being mocked? You should calm down, I know it's a heated balance discussion but I asked an actual question, I wasn't trying to make a point. The only thing "worthy of being mocked" was your answer. 2)No, honestly, all ZvPs I've seen recently have either been an early timing push from one or the other, or ended badly for the zerg. I was under the impression that this is what had been figured out, how to kill the protoss early. 3) Thanks for finally answering. If you know of such a game, I'd like to see it. No one does it anymore so I couldn't tell you. Go watch some of Cruncher's past games I suppose. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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Philip2110
Scotland798 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:41 InToTheWannaB wrote: WoW! Does anyone find it amazing that only 1% of players beat the single player on brutal? Being on TL so much and playing with BW vets in such a insular hardcore community. You forget that 99% of people are noobs that just want to fly big motherships around the map. Its really pretty neat that Blizzard focus as much as they do on us because we clearly are not the majority lol. Yeh i found that statistic really weird too since most of the people i play with are from TL and have completed it on brutal | ||
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Cuba292 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:44 rysecake wrote: I don't think terran necessarily requires more micro than protoss. Multitasking is a word I think that suits better. There you go, couldn't have said it better myself; that was the word I was looking for lol | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:36 Yaotzin wrote: How so? Terran requires more micro in their vZ matchup, but then PvP is the most micro oriented matchup in the game. It's pretty similar overall. Never played ling/bane vs ling/bane in zvz have you? | ||
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Heavenly
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Okay then. That has nothing to do with micro. And still in that case it comes down solely to the player. | ||
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Veritassong
Canada393 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:43 NuKedUFirst wrote: There are many people who really don't care about campaign, myself included, I started it on hard or brutal and haven't even played 3 missions. I don't see whats so HARDCORE about beating a single player. i started on brutal, thought it was too time consumer, switched to casual and made mm and 1a through my missions. got alot of good practice of terran micro on the way. t1a click | ||
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GoDLy MD
United Kingdom258 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:44 rysecake wrote: I don't think terran necessarily requires more micro than protoss. Multitasking is a word I think that suits better. I personally think that terran has more capability for multitasking. As heavenly said, the races are extremely similar. However, while protoss is strong in a deathball, it's weak split up. Terran's strength is in small mobile groups hence players that take advantage of the high multitasking ceiling such as MMA do very very well. however, multitasking is a different discussion to micro. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:44 rysecake wrote: I don't think terran necessarily requires more micro than protoss. Multitasking is a word I think that suits better. Due to drops? It takes just as much multi-tasking--if not more due to how bad gateway units are--to defend multiple positions as opposed to being the one hitting those places. | ||
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RandomAccount#106470
Lithuania1506 Posts
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:38 ChrisGraphex wrote: I swear this kid has downsyndrome, yes TERRAN does require more micro. Just watch high level play. Lol, or watch IdrA 1a his army Micro is mostly strategy dependent, not race dependent. Mech builds that Goody uses for example require very little micro, but good macro, positioning, and timings. Heavy bio builds are much more micro intensive, especially if ghosts are abundant, and heavy drop play is very multi-tasking intensive. Protoss heavy sentry usage is very very micro intensive, while heavy collosus play is relatively light on micro requirements. Heavy blink stalker usage is very micro oriented as well. Even with Zerg, destiny style ling/infestor is very very very micro intensive, as micro will completely determine if he wins the entire battle with minimal losses, or loses everything without doing any damage at all, similar to mass sentry strategies with protoss. Baneling drops are also way hard to pull off effectively, if you don't think so then try it. Mass roach strategies require little micro however, and rely upon positioning, macro, and timings. | ||
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