JP interviews Blizzards Dustin Browder & David Kim

On June 17 2011 06:08 GwSC wrote:
Good interviews
A little strange to me that he specifically mentions broodlord+infestor vs T as something they are looking at.
It seems that especially Korean Terrans with their crazy drop play are able to roll over that comp, being that its so slow.

On June 17 2011 06:11 ribboo wrote:

well, that's pretty much only MMA isnt it? and im yet to see someone get broods against him.
not saying z or t is imba, just pointing that out

On June 17 2011 06:16 FMStyles wrote:
"For 1v1 maps specifically, we're trying to make a very diverse set of maps so players who love rushing, macro, or more normal game play can all enjoy the different formats."

who love rushing
love rushing
rushing...

On June 17 2011 06:08 GwSC wrote:
Good interviews
A little strange to me that he specifically mentions broodlord+infestor vs T as something they are looking at.
It seems that especially Korean Terrans with their crazy drop play are able to roll over that comp, being that its so slow.
Edit: Would like to add, I'm all for brood+infestor being less prominent. Slow powerful units as the center of the unit comp just doesn't feel zergy

On June 17 2011 06:16 FMStyles wrote:
"For 1v1 maps specifically, we're trying to make a very diverse set of maps so players who love rushing, macro, or more normal game play can all enjoy the different formats."

who love rushing
love rushing
rushing...

On June 17 2011 06:19 Hider wrote:


No they are not really. Mma prob would have probs vs broodlord/ifnestor/corrupter. MMA jsut has much better multitasking than his opp, and hence is able to win. IF the zerg has really good multitasking, or just invest in a lot of spines, terrans wont be able to base there entire strategy on drops. And if a terran 200/200 army cant beat a zerg 200/200 army, there has to be some balance change.

On June 17 2011 06:16 On_Slaught wrote:
"The mothership is more geared towards casual players." - David Kim

Holy shit that is a HORRIBLE explanation for why they keep a HORRIBLE unit in competitive play. How about give the terran all the units in the single player too for the bronze and gold league players?

They just told protoss that you get one less viable unit b/c its fun for some players who don't care about winning.

On June 17 2011 06:16 FMStyles wrote:
"For 1v1 maps specifically, we're trying to make a very diverse set of maps so players who love rushing, macro, or more normal game play can all enjoy the different formats."

who love rushing
love rushing
rushing...

On June 17 2011 06:06 Slasher wrote:

"For 1v1 maps specifically, we're trying to make a very diverse set of maps so players who love rushing, macro, or more normal game play can all enjoy the different formats."

On June 17 2011 06:21 imareaver3 wrote:



There are 15 Protoss units, 13 Zerg units, and 13 Terran units. (Excluding "special" units like PDD, changeling, interceptor, etc.) Are you seriously complaining about P having less units?

On June 17 2011 06:21 imareaver3 wrote:



There are 15 Protoss units, 13 Zerg units, and 13 Terran units. (Excluding "special" units like PDD, changeling, interceptor, etc.) Are you seriously complaining about P having less units?

On June 17 2011 06:27 On_Slaught wrote:


Unit numbers aside the protoss shouldn't be giving up something for nothing. If having 2 more unit options was that important protoss wouldn't have a much higher winning % than they do now. Ultimately the mothership is there b/c it is supposed to fill a role, which could have gone to a better unit if it wasn't there (arbiter ).

Looking past any of that, I just think it is sad to think they put a unit into multiplayer with basically no intention of it being a serious unit. Those units should stay in single player. Just fundamentally bad design.

On June 17 2011 06:27 On_Slaught wrote:


Unit numbers aside the protoss shouldn't be giving up something for nothing. If having 2 more unit options was that important protoss wouldn't have a much higher winning % than they do now. Ultimately the mothership is there b/c it is supposed to fill a role, which could have gone to a better unit if it wasn't there (arbiter ).

Looking past any of that, I just think it is sad to think they put a unit into multiplayer with basically no intention of it being a serious unit. Those units should stay in single player. Just fundamentally bad design.

On June 17 2011 06:32 Loxley wrote:
Destiny commented he felt brood lords being an All-in unit; because they are so slow they won't be able to go back to defend your base/stop an attack. Also their build time is considerable, corruptor+morph time is huge.

On June 17 2011 06:30 Micket wrote:
I actually hope people start at least trying to use ghosts before this patch hits. It would be a shame if people's lack of creativity were the driving force for patch changes. Zergs adapted to 3 base deathball, Terran learned to macro when Steppes of War was removed and the reaper nerf. Protoss rarely complain about the OPness of the stim marauder anymore, finding double forge builds and all that. Give the game a bit of time, it might surprise you.

On June 17 2011 06:31 Yaotzin wrote:

It's there cause it's cool. They gave up on making it good back in beta.

There's not really any reason to remove it, and some people like it. Dunno what the issue is.

On June 17 2011 06:31 Aristotle7 wrote:
Jesus christ, Blizzard thinks Infestor Broodlord is OP in ZvT?!
So Ultra is bad and now they might make Broodlords slower? Z will have no tier 3 soon at all.

The hope for proper balancing is dashed to the ground again.

On June 17 2011 06:27 On_Slaught wrote:


Unit numbers aside the protoss shouldn't be giving up something for nothing. If having 2 more unit options was that important protoss wouldn't have a much higher winning % than they do now. Ultimately the mothership is there b/c it is supposed to fill a role, which could have gone to a better unit if it wasn't there (arbiter ).

Looking past any of that, I just think it is sad to think they put a unit into multiplayer with basically no intention of it being a serious unit. Those units should stay in single player. Just fundamentally bad design.

On June 17 2011 06:33 On_Slaught wrote:


I suppose Protoss is so different in this game that if they had arbiters they would be unkillable.

On June 17 2011 06:34 GwSC wrote:


Lol, I seriously doubt they'd make Broods slower. In that case you'd have to strain to even tell they were moving
It would probably some kind of Infestor nerf if anything. Which is funny considering the recent buff.

On June 17 2011 06:31 Aristotle7 wrote:
Jesus christ, Blizzard thinks Infestor Broodlord is OP in ZvT?!
So Ultra is bad and now they might make Broodlords slower? Z will have no tier 3 soon at all.

The hope for proper balancing is dashed to the ground again.

On June 17 2011 06:16 On_Slaught wrote:
"The mothership is more geared towards casual players." - David Kim

Holy shit that is a HORRIBLE explanation for why they keep a HORRIBLE unit in competitive play. How about give the terran all the units in the single player too for the bronze and gold league players?

They just told protoss that you get one less viable unit b/c its fun for some players who don't care about winning.

On June 17 2011 06:34 GwSC wrote:


Lol, I seriously doubt they'd make Broods slower. In that case you'd have to strain to even tell they were moving
It would probably some kind of Infestor nerf if anything. Which is funny considering the recent buff.

On June 17 2011 06:40 QTIP. wrote:


omg..... my thoughts exactly ><. I can't believe he said that on record.

Blizz: "Here, have this unit. We put it in there because lesser players enjoy using it in low-level games. It's concept is cool no?"

"..." -.-

Blizz: "What? You want to use it in a tournament for money? Wait, this is going to be part of your strategy??? I"m sorry... let me redirect you to the unit we call the colossus..."

On June 17 2011 06:37 nAgeDitto wrote:


I think with the recent buff, more people have turned their attention to the infestors and its 'opness' became prominent. You can see this a bit in PvT after the ghost change where people will mix in 10~12 ghosts in their army and the protoss 'death ball' is a dead ball .
In that situation the ghost unit looks op.

The units were always pretty goiod, but the 'buff' patches put a spotlight on them :D

On June 17 2011 06:16 On_Slaught wrote:
"The mothership is more geared towards casual players." - David Kim

Holy shit that is a HORRIBLE explanation for why they keep a HORRIBLE unit in competitive play. How about give the terran all the units in the single player too for the bronze and gold league players?

They just told protoss that you get one less viable unit b/c its fun for some players who don't care about winning.

On June 17 2011 06:16 On_Slaught wrote:
"The mothership is more geared towards casual players." - David Kim

Holy shit that is a HORRIBLE explanation for why they keep a HORRIBLE unit in competitive play. How about give the terran all the units in the single player too for the bronze and gold league players?

They just told protoss that you get one less viable unit b/c its fun for some players who don't care about winning.

On June 17 2011 06:48 simansh wrote:
"All of the matchups are close to 50%, except for 2"

TvZ

PvZ

TvP

So 2 of the three matchups are off?

On June 17 2011 06:43 k!llua wrote:


you guys are being too elitist. not everything in a game needs to be tuned for competitive gaming. ever see the mac10 in serious counter-strike matches?

On June 17 2011 06:48 simansh wrote:
"All of the matchups are close to 50%, except for 2"

TvZ

PvZ

TvP

So 2 of the three matchups are off?

On June 17 2011 06:48 simansh wrote:
"All of the matchups are close to 50%, except for 2"

TvZ

PvZ

TvP

So 2 of the three matchups are off?

On June 17 2011 06:42 imareaver3 wrote:



Also, remember the age of this interview. It predates MMA's discovery of mass drop play that shuts down BL/infestor.

On June 17 2011 06:42 imareaver3 wrote:



Also, remember the age of this interview. It predates MMA's discovery of mass drop play that shuts down BL/infestor.

On June 17 2011 06:54 Hider wrote:


Its irrelevant. Some speedlings/crawlers can defend drops.

On June 17 2011 06:56 Liudo wrote:

Mass drop play was not discovered by MMA lmao

On June 17 2011 06:16 On_Slaught wrote:
"The mothership is more geared towards casual players." - David Kim

Holy shit that is a HORRIBLE explanation for why they keep a HORRIBLE unit in competitive play. How about give the terran all the units in the single player too for the bronze and gold league players?

They just told protoss that you get one less viable unit b/c its fun for some players who don't care about winning.

On June 17 2011 07:01 Liudo wrote:
the zerg propaganda machine is switched into panic mode

On June 17 2011 06:48 simansh wrote:
"All of the matchups are close to 50%, except for 2"

TvZ

PvZ

TvP

So 2 of the three matchups are off?

On June 17 2011 06:59 crabz wrote:
and the zerg whine begins

On June 17 2011 06:59 crabz wrote:
and the zerg whine begins

On June 17 2011 06:26 -_- wrote:
Dustin Browder looked pretty creepy in the background of David Kim interview. I wonder if he had to monitor his reponses?

On June 17 2011 07:04 Serpico wrote:

What propaganda? Don't use ghosts and you get crushed vs infestors. Use the units you have and stop complaining.

On June 17 2011 06:53 cyclone25 wrote:


Nice observation :D

Anyway, it looks like we won't see new maps until season 3 T.T

On June 17 2011 06:55 crms wrote:
i like the balance more or less besides 1 thing...


rushes having no real economic impact.

A terran can 2 rax (proxy or not) pull SCV's and have it fail vs Z and still end up being basically even. This is a complete joke. There needs to be a choice, go for cheese win, play greedy or play standard. There shouldn't be this 'im going for cheese oh well it failed, time to play standard." I hate that, I want actually risks to being cheesy just like there are risks to playing greedy. The way the game is setup it's stupid to not 2 rax cheese, bunker rush etc., 20% free win 70% end up even, 10% end up slightly behind.*


*obviously numbers pulled out of my ass but I hope you get my point.

If it was that easy, Losira and July would have beaten MMA's drop style late game. That they didn't attests to how good it is. A Z on 4 bases has to have a lot of speedlings sitting around if he wants to be able to defend drops--especially 16-marine drops--that could appear anywhere at any time.

On June 17 2011 06:59 crabz wrote:
and the zerg whine begins

On June 17 2011 06:16 FMStyles wrote:
"For 1v1 maps specifically, we're trying to make a very diverse set of maps so players who love rushing, macro, or more normal game play can all enjoy the different formats."

who love rushing
love rushing
rushing...

On June 17 2011 07:13 Mercury- wrote:

Not everyone has time for super long 30 minute no rush games. Some of us just want to do a quick marine scv all-in and move on with our lives.

On June 17 2011 07:16 MonkSEA wrote:


You mean not everyone wants to get better at the game they're playing, some of you just want to get ladder points and flash your e-peens?

On June 17 2011 07:12 NickelStarCraft wrote:


So when Zerg makes Mutas, terran has to put mulitiple turrets up all over each base, but Zerg can't put 2 spines at each base to defend drops?

Nonsense. 8 marines do nothing vs 2 spinecrawlers and a queen. Its a small investment, to protect your expansions. Your argument has 0 merit.

On June 17 2011 07:16 MonkSEA wrote:


You mean not everyone wants to get better at the game they're playing, some of you just want to get ladder points and flash your e-peens?

On June 17 2011 07:21 Blessed wrote:
why no fucking ghost nerfs?!

oh look, i'm a terran player with mass tier 1 and a few ghosts. You have t1, upgrades, t2 and collosus/high templar? no problems, i'll press 2, e, then spam clicks over your whole army. Now I can 1a and stim, and since your whole fucking army has 50% hp and no energy, I won't lose 10 marauders. Then it's onwards 1a to your base. great.

how the fuck can they think that's balanced?

On June 17 2011 07:24 Huragius wrote:


Forever in bronze.

On June 17 2011 07:20 eviltomahawk wrote:
Interesting to hear about how the Carrier is geared more towards noobs.

On June 17 2011 07:24 Blessed wrote:


forever 1.3k masters.

forever terran scrub enjoying his OP EMP

On June 17 2011 07:12 Demonace34 wrote:


The whine about the whine is actually getting worse than the whine that starts in the first place. Atleast the zergs who voice their opinion have more than 5 words in their post and try to bring up points. This is just flame-baitng a whole race into hating another race.

I don't have enough experience to actually know if it is imbalanced or not, but I do think ghosts might easily solve Terran problem late game. EMP is a must unless you want all your marines to explode with 2 fungals. Ghosts secondary ability snipe could also work wonders on Broodlords.

Either way, I can't wait for HOTS and the new season with new maps. I hope some of them are decent. Thanks for the interviews JP.

On June 17 2011 07:23 Mercury- wrote:

Games are supposed to be fun, right? I play for fun. I play for fun by getting a good rating, not by being good.

On June 17 2011 07:24 Blessed wrote:


forever 1.3k masters.

forever terran scrub enjoying his OP EMP

On June 17 2011 07:34 ChrisGraphex wrote:
Are people honestly trying to say Broodlord+Infestor/Ling/Bling/ late game is easy to conqueror as Terran? Open your eyes, even DAVID KIM, THE LEAD OF BALANCE thinks they have a problem, but are waiting to see how it plays out.

On June 17 2011 07:36 Samhax wrote:


Maybe you think Colossi/HT/archon/sentry/Blink stalker is easier to conquer for Zerg?

Did you see what i did there?

On June 17 2011 07:39 ChrisGraphex wrote:



Don't be a smartass, but as a Terran, if I take it to late game, and have to deal with Infestor+broodlord it is very hard to break. Yes ghosts are very good, but it REQUIRES a lot of APM. I have to micro my vikings, tanks (so lings dont overrun me when I unsiege), marines not getting fungle. I imagine you're a protoss player because you don't have to worry about having to micro your units

On June 17 2011 07:42 Samhax wrote:


I'm a Zerg and we are not talkin about your case, we are talking about competitive play so all your statements about "APM" and "too hard" are irrelevant.

On June 17 2011 07:41 Olsson wrote:
Weird he names broodlord+infestor in TvZ and not colossi+voidray in PvZ which is more broken.

On June 17 2011 07:41 Olsson wrote:
Weird he names broodlord+infestor in TvZ and not colossi+voidray in PvZ which is more broken.

On June 17 2011 06:16 On_Slaught wrote:
"The mothership is more geared towards casual players." - David Kim

Holy shit that is a HORRIBLE explanation for why they keep a HORRIBLE unit in competitive play. How about give the terran all the units in the single player too for the bronze and gold league players?

They just told protoss that you get one less viable unit b/c its fun for some players who don't care about winning.

On June 17 2011 07:36 Samhax wrote:


Maybe you think Colossi/HT/archon/sentry/Blink stalker is easier to conquer for Zerg?

Did you see what i did there?

On June 17 2011 07:41 Olsson wrote:
Weird he names broodlord+infestor in TvZ and not colossi+voidray in PvZ which is more broken.

On June 17 2011 07:42 Samhax wrote:


I'm a Zerg and we are not talkin about your case, we are talking about competitive play so all your statements about "APM" and "too hard" are irrelevant.

On June 17 2011 07:45 Stiluz wrote: the Ghosts already having been buffed).

On June 17 2011 07:39 ChrisGraphex wrote:



Don't be a smartass, but as a Terran, if I take it to late game, and have to deal with Infestor+broodlord it is very hard to break. Yes ghosts are very good, but it REQUIRES a lot of APM. I have to micro my vikings, tanks (so lings dont overrun me when I unsiege), marines not getting fungle. I imagine you're a protoss player because you don't have to worry about having to micro your units

On June 17 2011 07:47 Heavenly wrote:


Maybe it would be easy to conquer if most zergs literally made something else besides mass roach and corruptor? A lot of people don't even bother adding infestors. You think it's fun to make all of those units to be able to beat one unit?

On June 17 2011 07:47 Heavenly wrote:


Maybe it would be easy to conquer for zerg literally made something else besides mass roach and corruptor? A lot of people don't even bother adding infestors. You think it's fun to make all of those units to be able to beat one unit?

On June 17 2011 07:48 EliteReplay wrote:
so basically david kim is not aware of the state in PvZ? Zerg is owning Protoss at this moment
and he didnt mention PvT either, they think those match are balanced? loool
i think they dont watch GSL no protoss...

On June 17 2011 07:50 Veritassong wrote:


look at this fkin idiot bashing toss saying we dont need micro. ff, blink, feedback, storm,guaridan shield is much harder than stim 1a and 2 eeeee spam ok?

On June 17 2011 07:51 dNsIMonTy wrote:


^ explains that state of PvZ Zerg fails there MASSSSSSSS roach corrupters then QQ that P op when we have almost every unit in our tech tree on the field and they have 2....

On June 17 2011 06:28 Derpalisk wrote:


Zerg has 13 units? I only count 10. I suppose technically Queens don't count, but I threw them in there anyway (they're more akin to a Nexus/Orbital).

I don't understand why they're looking at Brood Lord/Infestor in ZvT. Ghosts wreck both of those units, so I think Terrans just need to use Ghosts more.

On June 17 2011 07:52 Samhax wrote:


I was ironic (Zergs struggle months before finding solutions against Protoss late game, that's why i said that). And Zergs makes roaches en masse because of the timing attacks on 2 basis, so you are forced to have many roaches if you don't wanna die in mid game, you just have to clean your roach supply efficiently (basically agressive trade) when you enter the late game.

On June 17 2011 07:57 Heavenly wrote:


Protoss is the a-move race though bro, not like we have to try and forcefield perfectly or get crushed, blink back stalkers that cost twice as much as roaches but die to them no problem, try to keep colossi alive as long as possible against corruptors, and storm roaches which does very little to them. But you know, zerg has that intense bumrush forward to try to hug the protoss army and queue up colossi with your corruptor micro.

Funny how people simply refuse to look at how difficult the matchup is for the other race and act like they have to work 100x harder. Must give them some kind of superiority complex so they have an excuse for every loss.

On June 17 2011 07:45 Stiluz wrote:
Really interesting interviews. The BL/Infestor thing is a weird thing to be looking at though, Ghosts have already been buffed (made cheaper) and a group of ghosts can wreak havoc on BL with snipe and Infestors with EMP. If they nerf BL/Infestor (which is the only really viable lategame option) in addition to the Ghosts already having been buffed, I think we'll see the TvZ matchup swing heavily in favor of T. Very many TvZs don't go into lategame, so I suspect that part of the matchup hasn't been as developed as it could be (more Terrans incorporating Ghosts into the lategame composition).

On June 17 2011 07:50 Veritassong wrote:


look at this fkin idiot bashing toss saying we dont need micro. ff, blink, feedback, storm,guaridan shield is much harder than stim 1a and 2 eeeee spam ok?

On June 17 2011 07:51 dNsIMonTy wrote:


^ explains that state of PvZ Zerg fails there MASSSSSSSS roach corrupters then QQ that P op when we have almost every unit in our tech tree on the field and they have 2....

On June 17 2011 07:58 Heavenly wrote:


Alright. But most people's late game army is still literally mass roach, with like 5 broodlords.

On June 17 2011 08:03 TheSubtleArt wrote:
"All matchups are basically near 50%....except 2"....uhh...doesn't that leave only 1 matchup? lol

On June 17 2011 08:00 SniXSniPe wrote:


Well if you're going to name all these abilities I could do the same for Terrans.

Terrans have to:
-stim
-split bio units vs Splash <--- This alone is more "APM" consuming
-lift units who are bunched up/trapped by forcefields
-Avoid storms
-Kite against units such as chargelots
-If you have ghosts/ravens, use their abilities


But this is besides the point, IMO ghosts are as effective as people say they are against brolords. It's not like the zerg player will not have any banelings/lings/whatever.


I think T>P>Z is the order for how intensive unit control is.

On June 17 2011 08:00 SniXSniPe wrote:


Well if you're going to name all these abilities I could do the same for Terrans.

Terrans have to:
-stim
-split bio units vs Splash <--- This alone is more "APM" consuming
-lift units who are bunched up/trapped by forcefields
-Avoid storms
-Kite against units such as chargelots
-If you have ghosts/ravens, use their abilities


But this is besides the point, IMO ghosts are as effective as people say they are against brolords. It's not like the zerg player will not have any banelings/lings/whatever.


I think T>P>Z is the order for how intensive unit control is.

On June 17 2011 06:16 On_Slaught wrote:
"The mothership is more geared towards casual players." - David Kim

Holy shit that is a HORRIBLE explanation for why they keep a HORRIBLE unit in competitive play. How about give the terran all the units in the single player too for the bronze and gold league players?

They just told protoss that you get one less viable unit b/c its fun for some players who don't care about winning.

On June 17 2011 06:43 k!llua wrote:
you guys are being too elitist. not everything in a game needs to be tuned for competitive gaming.

On June 17 2011 07:06 ahbeez wrote:
why are people so angry about the mothership?

- Intention: a unit for low level players to enjoy
- Doesn't replace ANYTHING. It's not like there was an arbiter and they removed it for the mothership.
- It literally doesn't affect anyone if theres a gimmick unit for low level players to enjoy, this game is a great esport but it can have fun stuff too. You guys have such warped logic to think that if it doesn't add to the competitive side of the game then its worthless...I can't believe anyone can be upset about it.

On June 17 2011 08:00 Vaporized wrote:

hydras and lings both die to collosus/ht in seconds, if i have lings and i see ht come out then all those lings are useless in a straightup battle.

mutas die to blink stalkers and phoenix (although a nice muta transition is always cool).

banelings are fodder for forcefields unless dropped, which is a nice strat.

ultras are situationally useful.

which leaves roaches\corrupter\tech to brood lord.

roaches do decent to good against ALL toss units except immortals. with burrow you can even eat storms no problem.

corrupters are not as good as mutas against VR, but own phoenix/collosus.

its possible to use other compositions but as a general rule i get roach/corrupter for a reason.

On June 17 2011 08:06 Sueco wrote:

"We're happy with the game's current design"

"The Mothership is joke unit and we're fine with that"

"More maps need to be rushy"

Someone take these people off SC2 before e-sport curls up and dies.

On June 17 2011 07:58 Heavenly wrote:


Alright. But most people's late game army is still literally mass roach, with like 5 broodlords.

On June 17 2011 08:00 SniXSniPe wrote:


Well if you're going to name all these abilities I could do the same for Terrans.

Terrans have to:
-stim
-split bio units vs Splash <--- This alone is more "APM" consuming
-lift units who are bunched up/trapped by forcefields
-Avoid storms
-Kite against units such as chargelots
-If you have ghosts/ravens, use their abilities


But this is besides the point, IMO ghosts are as effective as people say they are against brolords. It's not like the zerg player will not have any banelings/lings/whatever.


I think T>P>Z is the order for how intensive unit control is.

On June 17 2011 07:45 FrankWalls wrote:


not to be a stickler but that composition has been figured out for a pretty long time

On June 17 2011 08:10 Alabasern wrote:
It seems Blizzard has to repeat themselves for consecutive interviews since the HotS reveal. It's tedious to hear the same phrases about their input and consideration into the game design and execution, but it is a necessary interview model.

I think Blizzard needs to hire a press secretary so David Kim and Dustin Browder can focus their time internally.

On June 17 2011 08:10 Heavenly wrote:


Terran unit control is not harder than protoss unit control, that's ridiculous. They are pretty much equal. Stim is as hard as guardian shield. Splitting bio is as hard as casting forcefields if not easier. I almost never see a terran lift units that are trapped by forcefields in the first place, and if they did the medivac would probably get feedbacked anyway. Most people just let them sit there. Avoiding storms and kiting against chargelots is pretty much the same thing, you are moving backwards then firing. This is no harder than blink micro. No one uses ravens, and using EMP is not harder than using feedback.

On June 17 2011 08:11 MilesTeg wrote:


I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. That's the problem with these horrible threads, so much bullshit is thrown around with absolutely no basis that I have no way to know if you have a legit reason to say that or if you're another troll.

As far as I know the only thing that's been figured out is how to cheese the protoss before he gets there.

On June 17 2011 08:14 NickelStarCraft wrote:
Yes Terran takes a little more micro than Protoss, and Zerg. Sure some terrans exaggerate with calling Toss A-Move and stuff, but generally terran does in fact require more micro.

Just like Zerg tends to be more intuative, and Protoss lends itself to more creative play. Terran requires a little more micro. I don't understand why people get upset at this.

On June 17 2011 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
people don't seem to realize that terran can't tech switch in 5 seconds like Zerg can. I'm not crying imba, but as someone already pointed out in tvz people usually don't have tech lab barracks because they produce 1/2 the marines that reactors can.

And even if a terran manages to lift off his barracks and factories or whatever to make ghosts, as soon as zerg sees ghosts they can go back to banelings (which ghosts can't outrun) and then you as terran are fucked.

tl;dr = terran tech switches take forever and ghosts can be countered. Ghosts aren't as OP in tvz as many zergs seem to think...

On June 17 2011 08:14 Heavenly wrote:


Lmao, please point me to the last high level game you've seen where a protoss goes voidray/colossus? Cruncher is probably the only one who still does that (I don't even think he does anymore) and he's not exactly the best protoss. Just because you can't deal with it in diamond doesn't mean it's imbalanced.

On June 17 2011 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
people don't seem to realize that terran can't tech switch in 5 seconds like Zerg can. I'm not crying imba, but as someone already pointed out in tvz people usually don't have tech lab barracks because they produce 1/2 the marines that reactors can.

And even if a terran manages to lift off his barracks and factories or whatever to make ghosts, as soon as zerg sees ghosts they can go back to banelings (which ghosts can't outrun) and then you as terran are fucked.

tl;dr = terran tech switches take forever and ghosts can be countered. Ghosts aren't as OP in tvz as many zergs seem to think...

On June 17 2011 08:14 NickelStarCraft wrote:
Yes Terran takes a little more micro than Protoss, and Zerg. Sure some terrans exaggerate with calling Toss A-Move and stuff, but generally terran does in fact require more micro.

Just like Zerg tends to be more intuative, and Protoss lends itself to more creative play. Terran requires a little more micro. I don't understand why people get upset at this.

On June 17 2011 08:17 MilesTeg wrote:


I forgot to add, unintelligent life forms need not answer.

(seriously, why start with lmao, and make assumptions on my league/problems in this game? especially since I said I don't let the game go that long... and you didn't answer my question at all)

On June 17 2011 06:56 Cyanocyst wrote:
Good interviews.

Broodlord Infestor OP??? That just boggles my mind. My personal Motto about Hive Tech units is They don't win you the game, they just end games you've already won.

I don't feel that a Zerg Late game composition, takes you from a disadvantage, to an advantage.

Also switching to hive tech units is tricky. Switch too soon and your dead, Switch too late your also dead.

I feel like Ghosts would completely obliterate that composition. You could probably even land a nuke on a flock of Brood Lords they're so slow.

On June 17 2011 08:23 TraneMason wrote:
Regarding the Mothership, is there really any "casual" player out there who thinks that it is exciting and fun?
Mass Ravens are not even close to being viable, but really fun. Making Battle Cruisers and Carriers can be fun. But the Mothership? Sure, it is "a big thing". But casual gamers are not apes. Generally, I think Blizzard sometimes just underestimates their customers a bit.

I do not think that the Protoss race is weak or needs any additional units (being a Zerg Player) - I rather feel like Protoss is forced into a certain tech path due to bad, shortsighted design. We see Colossi in every Protoss match up, they are fundamental for their army. But the unit goes against both the needs of casual player (after a short while it is just boring to watch) and the competitive scene (zero micro involved, Protoss cannot split up their army etc.). So I really hope that Blizzard can come up with some great ideas for the two expansions. Either way, adding new units and taking away certain units basically equals redesigning the entire game. Good luck to them.

No, terran does not take more micro than protoss, it is equal. The only successful protoss is MC and he is widely regarded as having top micro and would do well as any race

On June 17 2011 08:31 NickelStarCraft wrote:


Sorry dude, your wrong. Terran does in fact require more micro. You can rant all you want about whatever you want but your simply wrong.

On June 17 2011 08:31 NickelStarCraft wrote:


Sorry dude, your wrong. Terran does in fact require more micro. You can rant all you want about whatever you want but your simply wrong.

On June 17 2011 08:31 NickelStarCraft wrote:


Sorry dude, your wrong. Terran does in fact require more micro. You can rant all you want about whatever you want but your simply wrong.

On June 17 2011 08:32 GoDLy MD wrote:


That's an opinion not a fact. care to back it up?

On June 17 2011 08:31 NickelStarCraft wrote:


Sorry dude, your wrong. Terran does in fact require more micro. You can rant all you want about whatever you want but your simply wrong.

On June 17 2011 08:38 ChrisGraphex wrote:



I swear this kid has downsyndrome, yes TERRAN does require more micro. Just watch high level play. Lol, or watch IdrA 1a his army

On June 17 2011 08:22 Heavenly wrote:
Then maybe you shouldn't say things that are deserving of being mocked? Please show me a recent high level late game PvZ where the protoss went colossus/voidray. Or do you think that no PvZ games at the high level go to late game?

You beat it the same way you beat anything else. Roach/infestor/corruptor with an emphasis on infestors and corruptor overkill, since infestor/roach will take out stalkers. The infestor buff made the composition weak to fungal and neural parasite.

On June 17 2011 08:41 InToTheWannaB wrote:
WoW! Does anyone find it amazing that only 1% of players beat the single player on brutal? Being on TL so much and playing with BW vets in such a insular hardcore community. You forget that 99% of people are noobs that just want to fly big motherships around the map. Its really pretty neat that Blizzard focus as much as they do on us because we clearly are not the majority lol.

On June 17 2011 08:41 MilesTeg wrote:


1) Worthy of being mocked? You should calm down, I know it's a heated balance discussion but I asked an actual question, I wasn't trying to make a point. The only thing "worthy of being mocked" was your answer.

2)No, honestly, all ZvPs I've seen recently have either been an early timing push from one or the other, or ended badly for the zerg. I was under the impression that this is what had been figured out, how to kill the protoss early.

3) Thanks for finally answering. If you know of such a game, I'd like to see it.

On June 17 2011 08:41 InToTheWannaB wrote:
WoW! Does anyone find it amazing that only 1% of players beat the single player on brutal? Being on TL so much and playing with BW vets in such a insular hardcore community. You forget that 99% of people are noobs that just want to fly big motherships around the map. Its really pretty neat that Blizzard focus as much as they do on us because we clearly are not the majority lol.

On June 17 2011 08:44 rysecake wrote:
I don't think terran necessarily requires more micro than protoss. Multitasking is a word I think that
suits better.

On June 17 2011 08:36 Yaotzin wrote:

How so? Terran requires more micro in their vZ matchup, but then PvP is the most micro oriented matchup in the game. It's pretty similar overall.