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On June 13 2011 04:57 jlake02 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:33 XKiller wrote:
Man i loved ROOT and i hate complexity, man ROOT sold out. Just curious.. why do you hate us? Do you know our history? Have we done something to wrong you? Not being a jerk, I'm just curious why you would hate us after we've been working hard to represent American gaming for 8 years.
more like he hates Cruncher, and Cruncher is on complexity. I don't think this is uncommon in this community. Don't take these seriously.
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I'm guessing Kiwi is moving out of that team house then? :p
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On June 13 2011 04:57 jlake02 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:33 XKiller wrote:
Man i loved ROOT and i hate complexity, man ROOT sold out. Just curious.. why do you hate us? Do you know our history? Have we done something to wrong you? Not being a jerk, I'm just curious why you would hate us after we've been working hard to represent American gaming for 8 years.
Cruncher.
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On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col. you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal. Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be.
Didnt they also start up an academy for players to join their team?
Hope they're well off financially to be able to handle the academy and the incoming members(which if it does get bad financially they'll probably just ditch the academy).
They improved their team, sure. Their roster before this was considered below average to the other top teams, now they just have an ok roster, no "prime time" player, no ace still.
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Ryan is pretty awesome. <3
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On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col. you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal. Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be.
Yes, for sure because they release how much money they've spent on this. We can automatically ascertain that it was too much.
Plus, some of these players are quite good. Take a look at TLPD for minigun (LINK) . Sure, it's not a large sample of tournaments, but it does reveal that he will be an awesome addition to Complexity's already decent line-up of protoss players.
Edit- Also regarding the LAN is the only thing that matters comment. I'm sure Thorzain would have something to say about that after his TSL3 win.
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On June 13 2011 05:00 two.watup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:57 jlake02 wrote:On June 13 2011 04:33 XKiller wrote:
Man i loved ROOT and i hate complexity, man ROOT sold out. Just curious.. why do you hate us? Do you know our history? Have we done something to wrong you? Not being a jerk, I'm just curious why you would hate us after we've been working hard to represent American gaming for 8 years. Cruncher.
I second this.
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On June 13 2011 04:57 jlake02 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:33 XKiller wrote:
Man i loved ROOT and i hate complexity, man ROOT sold out. Just curious.. why do you hate us? Do you know our history? Have we done something to wrong you? Not being a jerk, I'm just curious why you would hate us after we've been working hard to represent American gaming for 8 years.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people (mostly IdrA fans) hated coL just because of Cruncher
EDIT: someone beat me to it :/
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On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col. you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal. Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be.
I respect your opinion but without knowing the terms of the deal don't you think it's an uneducated opinion?  We're not perfect and we've made mistakes in the past but I don't think it was a bad business decision.. quite the contrary.
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On June 13 2011 04:57 jlake02 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:33 XKiller wrote:
Man i loved ROOT and i hate complexity, man ROOT sold out. Just curious.. why do you hate us? Do you know our history? Have we done something to wrong you? Not being a jerk, I'm just curious why you would hate us after we've been working hard to represent American gaming for 8 years.
I have to be honest, if you feel you're best representing complexity then you're just giving me the completely wrong image. Just seems to be you've been overly defensive quite aggressively and very arrogant.
But best of luck to your team and new additions.
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On June 13 2011 04:59 Kantutan wrote:
I'm guessing Kiwi is moving out of that team house then? :p
For the millionth time, Kiwi is not in the team house. He only was there for like 2 weeks before MLG Dallas
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I miss ROOT! This is great news though for the players that moved over.
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On June 13 2011 04:58 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col. you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal. Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be. For a long time col's fan base has been shrinking and shrinking. Getting popular players(even if they arent the best) is going to help col alot. This kind of reminds me when they picked up swoozie, not the best fighter player out there, but was a natural infront of the camera and did alot to keep fans interested(even tho col was struggling at the time)
Popular yes. But looking at Col/Root's roster now, who at the end of the day is going to perform for this team. The only one I can think of is Cruncher. That's it. Starcraft 2 is a competitive game, and teams must strive to acquire those players who will perform. Popularity is one thing, but if you don't perform in any tournaments why bother wasting money in a highly competitive environment such as Starcraft 2. You sign players to win tournaments and produce results, not win a popularity contest. If your players don't perform your sponsors will only suffer for it. If anything, acquiring Destiny was the best part of the deal if that's what their aiming for. But I hate to say destiny aint gonna cut it anytime soon in terms of winning any big tourneys.
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i hope kiwi is find a good team
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On June 13 2011 05:00 two.watup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:57 jlake02 wrote:On June 13 2011 04:33 XKiller wrote:
Man i loved ROOT and i hate complexity, man ROOT sold out. Just curious.. why do you hate us? Do you know our history? Have we done something to wrong you? Not being a jerk, I'm just curious why you would hate us after we've been working hard to represent American gaming for 8 years. Cruncher.
So you hate a multi-gaming organization with ~30 players at any one time because you don't like 1 guy? Doesn't seem logical but you're definitely entitled to your opinion.
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On June 13 2011 04:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:05 ROOTFayth wrote:On June 13 2011 03:57 Premier wrote:
Complexity didnt get much... Kiwi and Slush were the two best players on that roster, none of the others have real exceptional tourney wins or anything... drewbie has had similar results as slush since basically forever (except last MLG) and god i dunno why minigun is that underrated I guess perceived player's skill is really based on their fame much more than their actual skill level People get famous from posting good results (generally). Which good results mean we should see Minigun and Drewbie as top pros? Besides, let's not pretend that Root wasn't interested in fame. If that's how people judge players, why is no one saying Destiny was the best on Root? Obviously Drewbie and Minigun are good - they're pros - but the only consistently excellent player on Root was Kiwikaki. Drewbie had some good success about six months ago IIRC, but what has he done this year? Slush is getting credit because he posted a good result at MLG so naturally he'd be seen as the second best on Root - he's posted the second best results overall and proved himself recently. If Drewbie and Minigun are two of the very best pros then they need to prove it. Until then, they will be rated lower than those who have managed to do so and that's exactly how it should be. People calling them bad are stupid, those saying Kiwi and Slush are better are reasonable.
This.
Drewbie to most people is alot like Catz, people have seen some truly exceptional play from him (especially multi tasking drops. i recall games in beta where he would command drops in up to 5 different locations at the same time. you could literally see their opponents crumble through the internet because they literally just dont know what to do.) and he just undisputably dominated. (very similar to the way DDE played in the finals of the soundblaster tourney. just no doubt who played better.)unfortunately i can't recall any such play at any point at least this year. But, you just cant call someone a top player if they cant post real results. yea, he has it in him to win a big tourney. but so does at least half of the pros.
Minigun, is a different story. He is essentially (at least until recently) a quiet CrunCher. he has no imagination. no creativeness. nothing. he just "does what else else does" and mass sentries/colos or sometimes due gimmicky stargate builds. you can see it in his play where he just moves in and FF or defend and FF. look at his pvt and pvz (not even against idra, but anyone, including destiny). and, even if you dont agree with that. look at his record.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minigun#Achievements
2 podium matches. in low/mid tier tourneys.when this is your career. that isnt impressive.now, ill admit, my views are slightly slanted, being a mainly EG fan. but i can respect skill. but when all of your recent fame is trash talking IdrA. and managing to take a couple ladder games off him cuz he was on tilt. not inclined to include you in the same league as kiwi. thats like comparing Destiny to Idra
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On June 13 2011 04:51 ROOTFayth wrote:
so minigun beating kiwi in the root invitational finals a while ago and him beating idra 2-1 in the latest clan war and him qualifying for last IPL by beating hasuobs and other good players i believe doesn't count?
is MLG the only thing that people really care about?
Minigun did win 3-2 in an online tournament for a prize worth about $600, yes. He also took an online bo3 from Idra, yes. And he did indeed managed to qualify for a 32 man tournament recently.
OK?
Again, not saying he's bad - he's clearly not, he's a good pick up for Complexity - but I don't think he's proved himself on the same level as Slush and there's not even a question as to whether he's proven himself as much as Kiwi.
MLG should be cared about far more than almost every other tournament because it has a much larger prize pool than most, has most of the best players, isn't an invitational (mostly) and is actually on LAN.
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all coL needs to realize now is that their new Ace is minigun, and not cruncher but I believe they knew that already
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It would be so sick if Slush and KiWiTooGooD were going to Dignitas or EG...
R.I.P. ROOTgaming :'(
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On June 13 2011 05:02 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 04:58 Falcor wrote:On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col. you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal. Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be. For a long time col's fan base has been shrinking and shrinking. Getting popular players(even if they arent the best) is going to help col alot. This kind of reminds me when they picked up swoozie, not the best fighter player out there, but was a natural infront of the camera and did alot to keep fans interested(even tho col was struggling at the time) Popular yes. Buut looking at Col/Root's roster now, who at the end of the day is going to perform for this team. The only one I can think of is Cruncher. That's it. Starcraft 2 is a competitive game, and teams must strive to get those players who will perform. Popularity is one thing, but if you don't perform in any tournaments why bother wasting money in a highly competitive environment such as Starcraft 2. You sign players to win tournaments and produce results, not win a popularity contest. If your players don't perform your sponsors will only suffer for it. If anything acquiring Destiny was the best part of the deal with that's what their aiming for. But I hate to say destiny aint gonna cut it anytime soon in terms of winning any big tourneys.
Why do you think TLO was personally sponsored by Sony? What are his tournament results?
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