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jlake02
Profile Joined January 2011
United States395 Posts
June 12 2011 19:47 GMT
#561
On June 13 2011 02:57 IPA wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk but, were I coL management, I would have shut down the deal when I realized that KiWi and SLush would not come to terms. No doubt whatsoever that every member of ROOT is talented but, from a business standpoint, those two are the picks of the litter. They are going to give you tournament results.

In any event, I wish all parties the very best of luck! Very interested to see where KiWi/Slush land.


I understand your opinion and it was a consideration. (We tried very hard to include everyone. We had a deal two different times but in the end it didn't work out.) Our final decision was based on the intangibles we feel the rest of ROOT possess AND our confidence in their increased skill level if they were able to focus only on playing. We have always admired their passion for gaming and their determination to support the community. In my opinion there is more to a player than pure skill.. and those intangibles are what caused us to follow through with the deal despite losing Kiwi/Slush.
compLexity Gaming - @coL_Lake
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
June 12 2011 19:47 GMT
#562
wow... kiwi and slush which were Roots heavy hitters. I'm sorry but acquiring root without kiwi or slush is just dumb...
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
flamekin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States72 Posts
June 12 2011 19:47 GMT
#563
On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col.

you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
June 12 2011 19:48 GMT
#564
Shame complexity still don't have 1 good player
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
June 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#565
On June 13 2011 04:47 jlake02 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:57 IPA wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk but, were I coL management, I would have shut down the deal when I realized that KiWi and SLush would not come to terms. No doubt whatsoever that every member of ROOT is talented but, from a business standpoint, those two are the picks of the litter. They are going to give you tournament results.

In any event, I wish all parties the very best of luck! Very interested to see where KiWi/Slush land.


I understand your opinion and it was a consideration. (We tried very hard to include everyone. We had a deal two different times but in the end it didn't work out.) Our final decision was based on the intangibles we feel the rest of ROOT possess AND our confidence in their increased skill level if they were able to focus only on playing. We have always admired their passion for gaming and their determination to support the community. In my opinion there is more to a player than pure skill.. and those intangibles are what caused us to follow through with the deal despite losing Kiwi/Slush.


*cough*swoozie*cough*
Keeler
Profile Joined November 2010
United States313 Posts
June 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#566
On June 13 2011 04:40 Jago wrote:
lol, wow, so much for ROOT's "we are not interested in getting bought out, this is our own personal thing we do" attitude Catz has been touting for so long

To be fair, the "for so long" part is very important. I can only assume that they were planning on getting some major sponsors and not needing to make a move like this, but that never happened.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 19:50:08
June 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#567
On June 13 2011 04:43 monx wrote:
Not sure about FXO as the manager said roster was full.
With the departure of Inka, i think it would be a great move by EG to acquire KiWiKaKi and i know Idra kinda respects KiWiKaKi's talent. So i am sure it would be a good fit. Slush could fit too but already stack on Zergs with Idra, Machine and StrifeCro.

FXOBoss said that they're looking at one more signup before the GSTL starts (they wouldn't want to have Wolf as an actual player in the lineup, even if he is a good Masters player).
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
June 12 2011 19:51 GMT
#568
Nice, im sure this is a great step for the rootplayers making the swap! Big grats to them!

Also Slayers_Kiwikaki incoming imo!

There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 12 2011 19:51 GMT
#569
so minigun beating kiwi in the root invitational finals a while ago and him beating idra 2-1 in the latest clan war and him qualifying for last IPL by beating hasuobs and other good players i believe doesn't count?

is MLG the only thing that people really care about?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#570
lol @ people bringing up idra as if his opinion is relevant to this and can be used to decide who is good and who is not. fanboys
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
June 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#571
On June 13 2011 04:51 ROOTFayth wrote:
so minigun beating kiwi in the root invitational finals a while ago and him beating idra 2-1 in the latest clan war and him qualifying for last IPL by beating hasuobs and other good players i believe doesn't count?

is MLG the only thing that people really care about?


Since esports became big, lan results have really only been the only thing that matters. Online events are cool and all but champions are made at lan
isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
June 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#572
On June 13 2011 04:51 ROOTFayth wrote:
so minigun beating kiwi in the root invitational finals a while ago and him beating idra 2-1 in the latest clan war and him qualifying for last IPL by beating hasuobs and other good players i believe doesn't count?

is MLG the only thing that people really care about?


No, its all they know about because people just make over sweeping claims without actually doing research.
Loose lips sink ships
Frostler
Profile Joined April 2011
United States41 Posts
June 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#573
I don't care at all about ROOT or Complexity but I wonder where Kiwi and Slush will go. Kiwi at least is a great player.
"I just need more Roaches"
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 19:55:58
June 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#574
On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col.

you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root

Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal.

Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 12 2011 19:56 GMT
#575
On June 13 2011 04:53 Falcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 04:51 ROOTFayth wrote:
so minigun beating kiwi in the root invitational finals a while ago and him beating idra 2-1 in the latest clan war and him qualifying for last IPL by beating hasuobs and other good players i believe doesn't count?

is MLG the only thing that people really care about?


Since esports became big, lan results have really only been the only thing that matters. Online events are cool and all but champions are made at lan

oh well whatever, fans can believe whatever they want I suppose, but they shouldn't really go against other good player's opinions just because of lan results

I mean this other guy said drewbie and minigun were terrible, does he even know how they play?
jlake02
Profile Joined January 2011
United States395 Posts
June 12 2011 19:57 GMT
#576
On June 13 2011 04:33 XKiller wrote:
Man i loved ROOT and i hate complexity, man ROOT sold out.


Just curious.. why do you hate us? Do you know our history? Have we done something to wrong you? Not being a jerk, I'm just curious why you would hate us after we've been working hard to represent American gaming for 8 years.
compLexity Gaming - @coL_Lake
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 12 2011 19:58 GMT
#577
On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:
On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col.

you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root

Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal.

Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be.



What makes you think tournament results from players are the only thing that makes a team profitable? Notice how the complexity guy is referring to intangibles? ROOT is a popular team, they get a lot of stream viewers, their site probably gets a lot of traffic, etc. This is all good in terms of sponsorship. In short, you have no idea what does or does not constitute a bad business decision for a professional gaming team.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
June 12 2011 19:58 GMT
#578
On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:
On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col.

you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root

Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal.

Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be.


For a long time col's fan base has been shrinking and shrinking. Getting popular players(even if they arent the best) is going to help col alot. This kind of reminds me when they picked up swoozie, not the best fighter player out there, but was a natural infront of the camera and did alot to keep fans interested(even tho col was struggling at the time)
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 12 2011 19:59 GMT
#579
On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:
On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col.

you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root

Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal.

Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be.

stop speculating jesus you have no idea how much col is investing or really how much catz/drew/minigun/destiny/ddoro are worth
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
June 12 2011 19:59 GMT
#580
On June 13 2011 04:54 EnderCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 04:47 flamekin wrote:
On June 13 2011 04:40 tadL wrote:
so col tried to get top players of root but their two top players didnt come, bad deal for col.

you make it sound like they didn't know what they were buying, im sure they knew in advance and still aquired root

Lets look at the reality of this. CoL was a mediocre team, not only would Complexity benefit from getting heavy hitters on their team, it also benefits Root as well who has had a history of struggling financially. However, when you don't get those heavy hitters who are frankly most likely going perform better over the rest of the lot, it is an utterly bad business decision on Complexity's part when you don't get that prime aspect of the deal.

Let me tell you, Root came out on top of this deal. They will most likely be better off merging with Complexity for financial sake. However, without Kiwi or slush, Complexity is just spending a lot more money than they need to be.

You don't know how much money they're spending.

Everyone on Root was better than Complexity.
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