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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 12 2011 18:32 GMT
#61
Ya I was looking at the standings the other day and I was sad to see that Boxer actually needs to win this at least 2-1. Even if Socke takes down Sen, Boxer would still end up 3rd if he doesn't lose 1-2 to IdrA (unless they go by their record not by points when they are tied).
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
June 12 2011 18:33 GMT
#62
Day9-5 premieres today 9pm Eastern, 6pm Pacific, 200 UK, 300 Central Europe, 9:00 Taiwan, 10:00 Korea.
Thank God and gunrun.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 18:42:48
June 12 2011 18:41 GMT
#63
SlayerS seems to have TvZ figured out at this point, so I'm pretty sure that Boxer has a shot at this, and he'll definitely have a few tricks up his sleeve.

On the other hand, I must stress out again that the decision to play games exclusively on NA server is awfully unfair for a de facto global league (regardless of how the competition is called). It's so disappointing that most NA tournament organizers insist on this, while at the same time depending on non-NA players to show up to raise the skill level and hype / view counts to justify the prize money they're throwing into it.
jznx
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada62 Posts
June 12 2011 18:43 GMT
#64
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425kid
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
June 12 2011 18:44 GMT
#65
boxer gonna win 2-0
AWakefield
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada420 Posts
June 12 2011 18:45 GMT
#66
Cheering for the Emperor here. His play always inspires me. I don't know who's going to win but I predict it will be 2-1
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
June 12 2011 18:50 GMT
#67
Oh shit, haven't really followed NASL at all to be honest, but definitely tuning in to this one. There's nothing I wanna see more than Boxer getting some well deserved wins. He played too well in the Super Tourny to have lost so soon =(
Life is too short to take it seriously.
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
June 12 2011 19:21 GMT
#68
Oh damn, this is all the motivation I need to tune in!
Not too sure about predictions since I feel it could go either way, but I want BoxeR to succeed in international tournaments so my heart is with him!
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
June 12 2011 19:28 GMT
#69
On June 13 2011 03:13 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 00:27 zerious wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:31 Arisen wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:23 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote:
BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda

You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.


No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).


Zenio is better than IdrA


Zenio's ZvZ is better than IdrA's. Zenio's ZvT and ZvP are not nearly at the level that IdrA is at. IdrA's TvZ is one of the best in the world and BoxeR will have a very hard time dealing with it. However, while IdrA's standard play is really good, you never know exactly what BoxeR will do. Hopefully these games will be better than Zenio vs BoxeR, and frankly I hope that BoxeR wins ^^


I agree that Idra's ZvT and ZvP are better that Zenio's, but saying his ZvT is among the world's best is WAY overstating it. It's great considering NA server's standards, but many EU and particularly KR zergs are much better at ZvT.

I dunno, I just can't like Idra's game, he's so fragile and weak in his mind. As soon as an opponent changes the scheme, he crumbles. He's good against passive enemies, his style is only great against turtle terrans.

He DID beat MVP in a meaningless ladder match though, gotta give him that.
MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
June 12 2011 19:29 GMT
#70
idra will win

1) he has solid ZvT
2) Boxer plays with lag
edc
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States666 Posts
June 12 2011 19:36 GMT
#71
Didn't IdrA beat BoxeR in an epic ladder game a long time ago? Regardless of that, I believe IdrA will win, as long as he is confident.
“There are two kinds of people in this world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.” - Clint Eastwood
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
June 12 2011 19:38 GMT
#72
On June 13 2011 04:36 edc.initiative wrote:
Didn't IdrA beat BoxeR in an epic ladder game a long time ago? Regardless of that, I believe IdrA will win, as long as he is confident.




Watch immediately.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
June 12 2011 19:39 GMT
#73
boxer will win because he is "the boss" Im sorry Idra will have to gg even if he is winning that is how good boxer is.
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
June 12 2011 19:40 GMT
#74
On June 13 2011 04:36 edc.initiative wrote:
Didn't IdrA beat BoxeR in an epic ladder game a long time ago? Regardless of that, I believe IdrA will win, as long as he is confident.


boxer was new to sc2 then. I still think idra's better, zvt is his best matchup, and he matches up well against boxer stylistically. Idra 2:0 and if it does go idra 2:1 the game he loses would have been close. I can't count ever count boxer out though. This is going to be epic.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
June 12 2011 19:43 GMT
#75
Boxer fighting!
Although winning matters, I'm more excited for an action packed game between the two
I remember the first game that Artosis casted between the two, and that was one sick game
Looking for another one of those ^^
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
sCfO20
Profile Joined May 2011
176 Posts
June 12 2011 19:45 GMT
#76
Zenio beat Idra in GSL. Boxer gave Zenio a good fight in the NASL. This match will be epic.
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
June 12 2011 19:48 GMT
#77
I honestly never knew how Idra got the nickname Gracken... now I do.
Coutcha
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada519 Posts
June 12 2011 19:51 GMT
#78
I think they both have chances really the spawning position will really decide that

Ohh and what time is the match???
This is what the world is for Making ELECTRICITY :D
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 12 2011 19:59 GMT
#79
The playoff scenario the OP writes is actually wrong, as the OP doesn't take into account head-to-head in the first determining factor and not points. Boxer will always be ahead of Sen so the worst that Boxer can do is 3rd.
Someone call down the Thunder?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:00:22
June 12 2011 19:59 GMT
#80
On June 13 2011 04:28 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 03:13 The Final Boss wrote:
On June 13 2011 00:27 zerious wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:31 Arisen wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:23 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote:
BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda

You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.


No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).


Zenio is better than IdrA


Zenio's ZvZ is better than IdrA's. Zenio's ZvT and ZvP are not nearly at the level that IdrA is at. IdrA's TvZ is one of the best in the world and BoxeR will have a very hard time dealing with it. However, while IdrA's standard play is really good, you never know exactly what BoxeR will do. Hopefully these games will be better than Zenio vs BoxeR, and frankly I hope that BoxeR wins ^^


I agree that Idra's ZvT and ZvP are better that Zenio's, but saying his ZvT is among the world's best is WAY overstating it. It's great considering NA server's standards, but many EU and particularly KR zergs are much better at ZvT.

I dunno, I just can't like Idra's game, he's so fragile and weak in his mind. As soon as an opponent changes the scheme, he crumbles. He's good against passive enemies, his style is only great against turtle terrans.

He DID beat MVP in a meaningless ladder match though, gotta give him that.


You must not watch his zvt's on whoever he faces. Also You say idra did beat MVP in a meaningless ladder match did you know Idra beat MVP on steppes of war in GSL when MVP was on his hot tvz streak? Unfortunately for idra he got close positions game 3 metal and lost.

He had MMA beat but gg'd because he's silly but just because of that doesn't mean he isn't amongst the best. His mentality may not be but it is without a doubt that his zvt is amongst the best in the world hands down.

Wish I didn't work though so I could watch this T_T. Will watch the restream tomorrow :D
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