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Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
June 12 2011 14:27 GMT
#21
Choosing between Boxer and IdrA?
FUUUUUUUUUUUU CANT DO IT
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
June 12 2011 14:28 GMT
#22
Rooting for BoxeR and for interesting chat, whether or not that's allowed. I love the gracken but BoxeR is like a human being with special powers and we all know superhumans > mythical sea monsters. But seriously I remember him losing his games vs Idra on the old youtube highlights from Artosis and Husky (or whoever else it was) and wanna see him take the win.
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 12 2011 14:31 GMT
#23
On June 12 2011 23:23 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote:
BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda

You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.


No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 18:06:34
June 12 2011 15:22 GMT
#24
Game 1: Crevasse: TvZ record: 20-28 (41.7%)
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(T)BoxeR - [image loading] (Z)IdrA (0-1)
Crevasse can be a difficult map for Terran, but the spawn locations will effect who wins a lot. BoxeR, like all of SlayerS's Terrans love his dropships, and depending on where he spawns in relation to the Gracken may change the effectiveness of said dropships. If it winds up being cross spawns, I think that IdrA will take this for sure as he is a superior macro player and the map statistics favor him greatly. Otherwise the game may be closer, but I think that the Grack still has a great chance of winning on this map.

Game 2: Typhon Peaks: TvZ record: 14-14 (50%)
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(T)BoxeR - [image loading] (Z)IdrA (1-1)
Typhon Peaks is a map that will dynamically change in my opinion depending on where both players spawn. If both players spawn top or bottom, I think BoxeR will take the game because you can siege up on the high ground by your opponent's third and create a nearly unbreakable position while punishing your opponent's third base. I think that BoxeR can definitely take this map depending on the spawns and how he decides to play it.

Game 3:
Xel'Naga Caverns: TvZ: 33-36 (47.8%)
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(T)BoxeR - [image loading] (Z)IdrA
Brain: (1-2); Heart: (2-1)
I think that everyone can agree that as far as a final showdown map goes, this is by far the best map that could have been chosen. I feel like the most incredible games played always seem to be played on this map (either here or Metalopolis). Plus, this map has been played more than both of the other two maps put together. Xel'Naga Caverns is certainly the perfect setting for a final showdown. I think IdrA will win this match due to the fact that usually this map has standard, long, games, and unless BoxeR does something original (and probably cheesy) I doubt he has a chance at beating IdrA here. I'm rooting for BoxeR, as this fight certainly feels like a Good vs Evil match-up, and I think that sadly the man in the villainous, black, leather gracket will take this game. That being said I'll be rooting for BoxeR, as he's a true hero of the past.

EDIT: Changed the map statistics so they're from May 1st to June 12th just to be a bit more accurate in representing the current metagame.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 12 2011 15:26 GMT
#25
Damn I can't decide who to root for but I see the games being very close 2-1 either way
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
June 12 2011 15:27 GMT
#26
On June 12 2011 23:31 Arisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 23:23 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:20 Arisen wrote:
BoxeR doesn't stand a chance if the games go past the 10 minute mark...his best chance is to do a FE into some sort of all in, because if he tries to play a macro game with the best ZvT outside of Korea, he's going to be a sad, sad, Panda

You underestimate BoxeR. Nobody gave him a chance against Sen in TSL, but he beat Sen, and he did it again here in NASL. So he beat someone who gives IdrA serious competition for the title of best non-Korean Zerg, and he did it twice. With lag.


No, I don't underestimate boxer. Watch the games versus Zenio, then imagine that, but with better control/decision making from the zerg...that's what the matches are going to be if they don't end early. BoxeR's great, but he just doesn't have the mechanics to stand up to IdrA in a long game. Sure, he beat sEN, but sEN's forte lies in a totally different area then IdrA's (attack sense, unit control, he's also very aggressive, compared to IdrA's much more passive style with impeccable macro/decision making).


Zenio is better than IdrA
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
June 12 2011 17:02 GMT
#27
For a split second I thought TheFinalBoss sees into the future.
Thank God and gunrun.
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
June 12 2011 17:05 GMT
#28
Well first map is heavily favored towards the zerg while 2nd is a little, 3rd however is terran favored.
Not that that means much but i expect Idra to 2-0 Boxer. In worst case scenario Boxer wins 2-1, no way he can 2-0 and no way Idra wins 2-1.
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
June 12 2011 17:07 GMT
#29
And I won't be able to watch because of Justintv. How exciting.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
June 12 2011 17:13 GMT
#30
ZvT is BoxeR's worst match up I believe; I'm rooting for IdrA
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 17:16:06
June 12 2011 17:15 GMT
#31
On June 12 2011 22:30 RJau wrote:
The pressure is on Idra to win this match in a clean 2 – 0 to move up to 3rd on the leaderboard, otherwise boxer will receive another point and retain 3rd place in the division.

Nope. Idra winning 2-1 will put him at 7-2 and 8 points and ahead of Boxer (who also has 7-2 and 8 points) because Idra beat him in the head to head.

Idra just needs to win to get ahead of Boxer.


If Sen and/or Zenio lose their games, Idra has the playoff spot.
tuho133
Profile Joined June 2011
120 Posts
June 12 2011 17:19 GMT
#32
I like Boxer but late game IdrA vs Terran is just ridiculous. When he gets BL and infestors out. It's over.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
June 12 2011 17:20 GMT
#33
On June 13 2011 02:19 tuho133 wrote:
I like Boxer but late game IdrA vs Terran is just ridiculous. When he gets BL and infestors out. It's over.

Good thing Idra usually ggs before that happens.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
June 12 2011 17:21 GMT
#34
hope MMA can give Boxer pointers on how to blow up his own CC!!

hoping for Boxer but Idra will probably take it now that TvZ is Boxer's worst matchup... still gotta root for the Emperor!!!
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
June 12 2011 17:23 GMT
#35
On June 13 2011 02:20 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:19 tuho133 wrote:
I like Boxer but late game IdrA vs Terran is just ridiculous. When he gets BL and infestors out. It's over.

Good thing Idra usually ggs before that happens.

Zing! Well played.
SamsonKnight
Profile Joined June 2011
United States26 Posts
June 12 2011 17:25 GMT
#36
idra can defiantly win it if he has the confidence going up against a top notch player like boxer. If he does he wins it..if not then another MMA repeat?
"To test the measure of man...Give him Power" Aristotle
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
June 12 2011 17:26 GMT
#37
idrA is really on his ball with ZvT. Dispite the fact that he was shaky against MMA, he will completely crush a terran that doesnt play his absolute A-game.

I predict idrA to win, maybe even 2-0
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 12 2011 17:28 GMT
#38
On June 13 2011 02:20 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:19 tuho133 wrote:
I like Boxer but late game IdrA vs Terran is just ridiculous. When he gets BL and infestors out. It's over.

Good thing Idra usually ggs before that happens.


This
The Notorious Winkles
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
June 12 2011 17:29 GMT
#39
Idra fighting
Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
June 12 2011 17:31 GMT
#40
I'm rooting for boxer simply because it would be great to see him at the offline finals. I'm pretty confident the gracken will be able to make it through the playoffs. Boxer, not so much. Hes kind of erratic and especially with lag against the top tier players in the playoffs I'm not sure how well he will perform.

Actually does anyone know if the playoffs are online/offline? I'm just assuming they are online here as it seems the more likely arrangement.

So boxer winning really seems like the best outcome for me, as a fan of both players.
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