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Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 04:31:41
June 05 2011 04:28 GMT
#261
Definitely.

Most my SC2 friends don't even play the game because they are too scared of ladder (they follow the pro scene though). Blizzard seriously needs to implement unranked auto-matchmaking.
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Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
June 05 2011 04:31 GMT
#262
"Could the fact that SC2 is a game that is stressful to play prevent people from playing it?"

Well, yeah... lol
Penecks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States600 Posts
June 05 2011 06:53 GMT
#263
Also the fact that the system being designed to give you a 50% win/loss is mildly infuriating, especially for anyone coming from other games where being good meant, well, you flat out owned most players. That was the "reward" for putting in the time to be good, but in SC2 being better than average just means you win the same amount as you were winning before, except the games become harder and more stressful.
straight poppin
ZiegFeld
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
June 05 2011 07:00 GMT
#264
Grow balls.
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
June 05 2011 07:01 GMT
#265
I have the exact fear you're describing. I WANT to play and get better really badly, but when I get some leisure time I always end up watching streams and reading the strategy forum for a couple hours instead of actually playing.

Or sometimes I'll win one game and then stop beacuse I don't want to lose

I know losing is part of getting better, but for some reason I just can't make myself ladder TT
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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
June 05 2011 07:02 GMT
#266
I think it's sort a catch-22. The fact that people are afraid to play out of fear of losing is a testament to how much they care about this game. I doubt there has ever been anything like this before (at least for a non Blizzard game.) So it's a good problem to have in a sense.

For all you players under platinum: If you can beat the very hard AI every game without gimmicky stuff, you will do very well on the ladder. I'd recommend honing your skills against the AI.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
June 05 2011 07:02 GMT
#267
I don't think it hurts starcraft at all, I think it's good for it. It separates the winners vs the losers. People who are good will ladder, people who aren't won't.
Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
June 05 2011 07:03 GMT
#268
people are worried about getting demoted more than anything
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 05 2011 07:04 GMT
#269
I kept seeing this thread in the sidebar and thought this was a joke thread, people can't possibly be hesitant to play sc2 because they "fear" the ladder..can they?
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
June 05 2011 07:06 GMT
#270
On June 05 2011 16:04 Megaliskuu wrote:
I kept seeing this thread in the sidebar and thought this was a joke thread, people can't possibly be hesitant to play sc2 because they "fear" the ladder..can they?


Yup lol.
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KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
June 05 2011 07:09 GMT
#271
On June 05 2011 16:04 Megaliskuu wrote:
I kept seeing this thread in the sidebar and thought this was a joke thread, people can't possibly be hesitant to play sc2 because they "fear" the ladder..can they?


not just the ladder ... people fear SC2 in general ... they are so used to picking up CoD and doing well right off the bat and not even having to think
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
June 05 2011 07:10 GMT
#272
It's such a cowardly attitude. Who are you trying to preserve your record for? Ladder and get better. Ladder fear is a problem for the weak.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Kinslayer
Profile Joined April 2010
United States129 Posts
June 05 2011 07:27 GMT
#273
On June 05 2011 16:10 IPA wrote:
It's such a cowardly attitude. Who are you trying to preserve your record for? Ladder and get better. Ladder fear is a problem for the weak.


I don't understand people that like to post things like that. What exactly are you trying to do?

Help the OP? I doubt calling him "weak" is a good way to get your point across.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that there is nothing in this world that doesn't make you nervous? It doesn't matter if it's important or not, that's relative. I, for instance, have zero issues with public speaking. I'll get up infront of 80+ VIP people at work and talk to them. But the majority of people I know would rather die than do that. Do I think they are weak? of course not. I instead try to help them by figuring out which part of public speaking makes them nervous.

Be helpful people or refrain from taking up database space that's more expensive than the content of your post.
.Mthex-
Profile Joined May 2011
United States168 Posts
June 05 2011 08:23 GMT
#274
I have experienced ladder fear, but it is honestly just something you have to get over.
The demand to play and improve has to be greater than the fear of a loss. The best way to fight "ladder fear" is simply to be an example, don't troll, and always say gg gl hf.

Some of the best advice I ever got about dealing with "ladder fear" was to casually talk with my opponent, which really does lighten the hurt of a loss.
"If you tricked him, then he is tricked" - Artosis
A.J.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States209 Posts
June 05 2011 08:29 GMT
#275
On June 05 2011 16:10 IPA wrote:
It's such a cowardly attitude. Who are you trying to preserve your record for? Ladder and get better. Ladder fear is a problem for the weak.

It's like people not playing COD because they're afraid their kill/death will go down.

Personally I'm not scared of laddering anymore after I realized that the numbers don't mean anything.

No one's keeping track of my numbers except me I guess.
Take a chance
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
June 05 2011 08:41 GMT
#276
On June 05 2011 17:29 A.J. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 16:10 IPA wrote:
It's such a cowardly attitude. Who are you trying to preserve your record for? Ladder and get better. Ladder fear is a problem for the weak.

It's like people not playing COD because they're afraid their kill/death will go down.

Personally I'm not scared of laddering anymore after I realized that the numbers don't mean anything.

No one's keeping track of my numbers except me I guess.

IMO K/D and W/L are a really big deal in any game, but since Blizzard took out the losses from lower leagues, there's no excuse for being scared of playing. :p
And if one really wants to keep its W/L record, just get a smurf account.
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SergTom
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom9 Posts
June 05 2011 08:49 GMT
#277
sounds like a great idea. they should have a 'practice game' option. i'm in gold league at the moment and i find that only losing a few games puts me against silver ranked people and i fear getting demoted. really hope this idea gets made a reality
relic
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom148 Posts
June 05 2011 08:54 GMT
#278
I watch SC2 both through streams and replays, and I really love it. However, after doing well in the beta, then coming to the retail version a few month after release I found myself getting destroyed in bronze.

I haven't bothered trying again, it's the first game i've really given up on and it's the one I most enjoy!
"machine say me he win again, but he lie"
Drive_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada35 Posts
June 05 2011 09:00 GMT
#279
this entire thread confuses me.

Basically it comes down to:

Starcraft 2 is a a fast paced game of decision making, mechanics, and reaction time.
Therefore go back to playing WoW where you can lay back in your chair, while you spam 1, 3, 5, 1, 3, 5, 1, 3, 5, 1, 3, 5, 1, 3, 5, 1, 3, 5, 1, 3, 5.... Oh wait I forgot, you use the mouse to click on your spells.

But seriously, if your "afraid" of laddering, thats equivalent to being "afraid" to try out for the NFL. Make a decision, do you want to play seriously or do you just want to relax while having fun.
Zerboran
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria6 Posts
June 05 2011 09:04 GMT
#280
Well in my opinion the problem is that many players are not playling ladder (<--fear and so on ), except 4on4 and 3on3 random and so they cant play and have a diamond ranking in 4on4 and think they are masters of the game, and this is acutally a big gap in casual-scene..
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