EPTremoving your division rank is unnesscary if u dont want a rank play custom. blizzard has damaged the hardcore gamers that arent M or GM by removing loses so we are unable to see if we are plus or minus 50:50 which is a pretty important way of gauging how well we have done this season and if we improved form last season. you should be grateful they have done that for you players that care if poeple see how many loses u have.
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dNsIMonTy
United Kingdom26 Posts
removing your division rank is unnesscary if u dont want a rank play custom. blizzard has damaged the hardcore gamers that arent M or GM by removing loses so we are unable to see if we are plus or minus 50:50 which is a pretty important way of gauging how well we have done this season and if we improved form last season. you should be grateful they have done that for you players that care if poeple see how many loses u have. | ||
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Oh.Canada
Canada139 Posts
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Nibbler89
884 Posts
That being said I can relate to this fear. For me it is that you are afraid you will lose, obviously if you thought youd win every game you wouldn't be afraid to play. My little "trick" is to remind myself who I'm playing, I'm not playing MC,MVP,Nestea etc, i'm playing on NA ladder against average joes I just have to play less terrible then they do, even at 1550+ masters this works for me maybe if i started seeing GM people and getting stomped I'd be more afraid but this isn't the case for over 99.5% of people. | ||
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Daniello
Poland127 Posts
On July 10 2011 20:02 Oh.Canada wrote: plz stop making treads like this..........blah blah is hurting sc2 and or ESPORTS...No its not... Author said that it might hurt casual "scene", not esports. | ||
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Oh.Canada
Canada139 Posts
On July 10 2011 20:09 Daniello wrote: Author said that it might hurt casual "scene", not esports. if u read my post it said sc2 and OR esports...i know he wasnt talking about esports in this situation, but tons of ppl have made post saying ...blah blah ( a million diffrent reasons)....is hurts sc2 and or esports and most of the reason are just plain silly imo | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2717 Posts
- remove loss display in all leagues to combat demotivation by weak players - the league-division system allows positive experience by as many players as possible - bonus pool and the subsequent points' inflation so players have the feeling that they grow constantly - achievements for extra incentive All of those are steps to combat ladder fear and I'd say that the situation is better than it was in sc:bw and wc3. However, blizzard certainly won't implent the option you suggest. They have made it pretty clear that they want as many people as possible to actually compete in the ladder (one of the reasons why they removed smurf accounts). | ||
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BlizzrdSlave
161 Posts
On July 10 2011 20:29 ggrrg wrote: Actually, blizzard did a lot to minimize ladder fear: - remove loss display in all leagues to combat demotivation by weak players - the league-division system allows positive experience by as many players as possible - bonus pool and the subsequent points' inflation so players have the feeling that they grow constantly - achievements for extra incentive All of those are steps to combat ladder fear and I'd say that the situation is better than it was in sc:bw and wc3. However, blizzard certainly won't implent the option you suggest. They have made it pretty clear that they want as many people as possible to actually compete in the ladder (one of the reasons why they removed smurf accounts). If the MMR is supposed to achieve 50/50 w/l, how will removing loss display combat demotivation? Since players will always hover around 40-60%? That doesnt make sense. bonus pool is a joke because someone who plays every day gets 130% gain from 50/50 win loss, while someone who plays every 4 days gets 200% gain for 50/50. the player that loses more points overall is the one who plays more consistently, so the person who plays less gets more points from the BP and keeps them. The bonus for not playing to keep up system works in WoW because you dont lose XP. In a game where you trade your points to and from other players consistently, bonus pools favor people who play less. | ||
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aZoX
Canada358 Posts
People like djWheat, Day9 & a lot of casters have it too, why wouldn't they at least play 2-3 games a day, no big deal ! But there's that fear of playing these 1s. That sucks ! | ||
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DexVitality
Hong Kong234 Posts
Hopefully I can get over it and play more 1v1 this coming season. | ||
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RobCorso
United States111 Posts
On July 16 2011 03:52 aZoX wrote: Let me tell you something, this thing will kill the game. People like djWheat, Day9 & a lot of casters have it too, why wouldn't they at least play 2-3 games a day, no big deal ! But there's that fear of playing these 1s. That sucks ! Day 9 plays every weekend O_O | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
The counter argument to this is "lol its just internet grow a spine", problem is many of us grew a spine when were in the military etc (those who went). It is not that people are offended at you calling them a fag or a retard, it is tired. The same insults for the past 10+ years of online gaming and its tired, its the same stuff, its not witty, funny or offensive. And because you cannot block all incomming chat, it makes laddering a cesspool, where you might bump into a good player who will just GG you and that will be that. But more often than not you will face the emoticon postin, meme spewing assclown. Whose main purpose in the game is to ruin it for others. If the option was there to block all incomming chat/text more people would ladder, afterall a big portion of the playerbase should not be forced to listen to you just because your self esteem is in the gutter and you have nothing else in life going other than being a douche on a livestream. Many people just want to play, its that simple, they dont want to talk to you, or listen to your stories, your flames, your opinions on last nights GSL games, your opinion on Idra, on how drunk and/or high you are, or how big of a penis you claim to have. Its not that you arent a interesting human being (you probably are in real life) but on the internet, many gamers tend to become absolute assclowns, having a option not having to deal with any of it would spike up interest for laddering. And those of you who enjoy shit slinging back and forth, you can just enable the chat and do it with likeminded people | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
On July 16 2011 03:52 aZoX wrote: Let me tell you something, this thing will kill the game. People like djWheat, Day9 & a lot of casters have it too, why wouldn't they at least play 2-3 games a day, no big deal ! But there's that fear of playing these 1s. That sucks ! They do play... Wheat has a "real" job (only way I had of expressing it, sorry if it offends you), Day9 has a smurf account that he plays on with friends and for practice, JP streams his ladder games every second night or so (that's when I see him online) and others play. They just usually don't stream it to the community. | ||
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Zephos
United States71 Posts
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Ssoulle
United Kingdom149 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 16 2011 04:10 Zephos wrote: I don't understand. I've heard of ladder fear before, but nobody has adequately explained to me why people are afraid of playing the game. Could anyone explain to me the details? It's pretty simple to work out... Just because it doesn't relate to you doesn't mean its hard to work out. Playing any game competitively is going to get you stressed out... And plus theres the constant fear of having a bad day and getting knocked down to a lower league. Most people would much prefer to play customs. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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Zip!
31 Posts
On July 10 2011 20:08 Nibbler89 wrote:My little "trick" is to remind myself who I'm playing, I'm not playing MC,MVP,Nestea etc, i'm playing on NA ladder against average joes Haha, if I got to play against MC, MVP, and NesTea on the ladder I'd never stop playing. Knowing you're going to lose is just as much weight-off-your-shoulders as knowing you're going to win. One time I played Justin Wong in SF4. He steamrolled me, obviously, but I played as well as I ever have. It was a blast. Players should play for fun, education, or both. Not for ego. | ||
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Zephos
United States71 Posts
On July 16 2011 04:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote: It's pretty simple to work out... Just because it doesn't relate to you doesn't mean its hard to work out. Playing any game competitively is going to get you stressed out... And plus theres the constant fear of having a bad day and getting knocked down to a lower league. Most people would much prefer to play customs. I guess... but it's not like there's any real stakes involved in laddering. Sure, points are kind of like stakes, but they aren't anything tangible. Maybe enough to get frustrated over, but afraid? That seems a little extreme to me. I guess I just don't get it. | ||
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DocNemesis
Philippines446 Posts
I like the laddering thing, least it gives me a sense of accomplishment when I win and at the same time feel a sense of shame when I lost. Makes playing matches seem meaningful imo | ||
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Hewbz
South Africa11 Posts
Day[9]'s video on how to get into SC2 probably says everything I ever could about it, just better and funnier, Check it out: | ||
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