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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 03 2011 15:34 GMT
#181
I used to have ladder fear. You just have to reach the point where you just tell yourself, wow I'm not improving at all if I don't just man up and play. I think artosis said it best on his stream, if you want to get ranked higher don't be scared about losing. you need to play as many games as possible if you ever want to rank up
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GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
June 03 2011 15:52 GMT
#182
I don't really have "fear" of ladder, but sometimes it gets frustrating and annoying.

If Blizzard would just fix the custom game system, this problem would be gone. When Terran players start giving me trouble for example, I'd LOVE to go in the custom game menu, filter only for Terrans and play a bunch of games. Why in God's name can't we do this? WHY?!??

I know you can develop a network of practice partners for this, but some of us don't have the time or energy to coordinate that. Just fix the custom games, Blizzard, please!! Are they afraid people will stop laddering and only use custom games?? Or what? I just don't understand....
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
June 03 2011 15:57 GMT
#183
I only really get scared when I'm on a winning streak. I don't care as much when I'm on a losing streak because I have nothing to lose
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Mactator
Profile Joined March 2011
109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 18:56:12
June 03 2011 16:04 GMT
#184
First of all, this is a serious issue that a lot people are facing. One of the main problems with sc2 is that at a competitive level especially from plat and above a lot of players win by all-ins. You may call this kind of winning "to improve" but then I don't understand the meaning of that word. When I play a game I expect 2 rax bunker rush, banshee, 4 gate, 10 pool etc. or some cheese because it seems that that's what people are best at. Of course this can be frustrating! If you are a competitive player, you don't like to lose - no one does. So to avoid being rolled by that shit you just gotta be on your toes and the adrenalin starts pumping.

In sc2 you are being punished hard for your mistakes which feels terrible to be honest. So yes, ladder is not important in any ways, you won't get any money and people won't care unless you win some tournaments. But the all or nothing nature of the game makes it intense to play and I can understand why many find that a challenge. The solution of course is just to play a lot and focus on the repetitive side of the game (build orders, having a high apm etc.).



Rushingwolf
Profile Joined October 2010
78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:11:12
June 03 2011 16:09 GMT
#185
anyone who is scared of playing ladder is taking sc2 waaaay to serious

the real problem with sc2 ladder is that generic strategies like 4 gate are ruining ladder, as a casual player its just a waste of time being forced to do the same lame shit every game because blizzard decided to ruin sc2 by hardcountering everything innovative and fun with 4 gate/ling roach all in and 3 rax
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 03 2011 16:10 GMT
#186
Ladder fear is hurting the game, more than it hurts the players.

People are so immature they can't even look their losses in the face and now only masters players even see their loss count, it's pathetic.
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PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
June 03 2011 16:12 GMT
#187
It's just a game for casuals and competitive people are missing out of the experience to be competitive if they are afraid. Just do it. Don't care about the results. It's not like you get paid if you win or lose. Just understand what went wrong and go at it again with your experience that you just gained.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 03 2011 16:12 GMT
#188
I wish they would put the losses back in before masters. I really would like to see how im doing. I think taking it out was stupid. It didnt stop fear or anything.
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:13:55
June 03 2011 16:12 GMT
#189
think turn of ladder points when play ladder enemys would be horrible and destroy the ranking completly, they can do custom games

also i think this "fear" when it exist is more for the "lower players" and blizzard did it nice with not showing loses below master anymore

what i know is not "ladder fear" just "loosing fear" and u cant solve that with any resulution

for me i think the players fear are way to bad to should and should take it as a hobby and not care much about ranks cause they (as i said earlier) are really bad,

the good ones of course they say "to bad 1 lose and i drop win ratio from 20 games" like demuslim always says BUT they play neverless that knowledge
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blamous
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States377 Posts
June 03 2011 16:16 GMT
#190
The BW ladder was terrible because there wasn't a match making system, so ladder fear then was actually legitimate... I never played ladder because i never ever ever ever ever won a game there. So I played with friends and did UMS stuff mostly... the sad part about that is that I never got plugged into the competitive side of the game or the community, so I missed out on a lot of really great stuff... thankfully SC2 changed all that...
Laddering is still nerve wracking, but at least you know that you'll win around half ur games if you are mildly proficient at the game...
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Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
June 03 2011 16:33 GMT
#191
i think the game itself is intimidating and not very welcoming to new players at all simply because of the high skillcap, which is i think another reason why not having every race playable in the campaign at release hurts the number of newcomers coming to the game
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elitesniper420
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada135 Posts
June 03 2011 16:48 GMT
#192
On May 29 2011 00:54 DxT.SuSaNoO wrote:
As someone who suffers from social anxiety disorder, allow me to explain a little about why the people saying "get over it" are missing the point.

For starters, some of us can't get over it, and trust me, I would love to. Others with this condition that I have talked to also resoundingly agree that the "ladder fear" is not a fear of losing; instead, it is the most common symptom of social anxiety disorder, a fear of being judged or criticized or embarrassed in front of others.

Losing, in and of itself, is not embarrassing. At least, not in SC2, when it is common knowledge that everyone is bound to lose. Despite knowing this, I can't help but feel very nervous whenever I lose. Why? Because I am afraid (unrealistically so) that I am being judged by the other player, even if I never see him again in my play.

Trust me, if I could "get over it," I would. It impacts my real life a lot more than it does this game, but I just thought I should elaborate a little on why at least myself and a handful of others I know experience the titular condition.

the effect works oppositely, I'm judging you for not laddering even when it doesn't show your # of losses
Yagoofed
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1 Post
June 03 2011 16:50 GMT
#193
I think what is really the problem is that once you get too high of a rank in the ladder, then want to race switch, or even try another race, you really can't without buying a smurf account. If you're plat protoss and want to switch to zerg you have to spend at least 4 hours or so losing game after game to go against opponents that would be of this much lower rank. I think a seperate unranked ladder (as Wheat was talking about) would be great. Especially if there was seperate unranked ladders for each race so you could practice up as much as you want if you wanted.

Just my two cents even if it's a little off-topic
zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
June 03 2011 16:52 GMT
#194
I think I'd feel better about laddering if it didn't show my losses. All the low leagues have it pretty easy.
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
June 03 2011 16:56 GMT
#195
To put it bluntly, it's fun to dominate against noobs. The ladder doesn't really let you do this. In Counter-Strike I could always get my fill in random public servers. But I think it is a better system, it's more fair.
elitesniper420
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada135 Posts
June 03 2011 16:57 GMT
#196
On June 04 2011 01:50 Yagoofed wrote:
I think what is really the problem is that once you get too high of a rank in the ladder, then want to race switch, or even try another race, you really can't without buying a smurf account. If you're plat protoss and want to switch to zerg you have to spend at least 4 hours or so losing game after game to go against opponents that would be of this much lower rank. I think a seperate unranked ladder (as Wheat was talking about) would be great. Especially if there was seperate unranked ladders for each race so you could practice up as much as you want if you wanted.

Just my two cents even if it's a little off-topic

or you could just play custom games??
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
June 03 2011 16:57 GMT
#197
to be honest if you can't even get over ladder fear from playing a game then god only knows what can help you if you meet some gorgeous beautiful woman but suffer from woman fear. Just get over it or you'll die a ladder virgin and prolly a irl virgin too.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 03 2011 16:59 GMT
#198
On June 04 2011 00:52 Zergoaster wrote:
I don't really have "fear" of ladder, but sometimes it gets frustrating and annoying.

If Blizzard would just fix the custom game system, this problem would be gone. When Terran players start giving me trouble for example, I'd LOVE to go in the custom game menu, filter only for Terrans and play a bunch of games. Why in God's name can't we do this? WHY?!??

I know you can develop a network of practice partners for this, but some of us don't have the time or energy to coordinate that. Just fix the custom games, Blizzard, please!! Are they afraid people will stop laddering and only use custom games?? Or what? I just don't understand....


Holy god, this is exactly what I feel like. The worst part about ladder is that you have to randomly play on different maps against different races. Sometimes, you will have a really long game that you lose, or even lose to something stupid, and then you can't get your mind off of it, and then *bam* queue up 5 ZvZ's lose them out of lack of interest, and get angry at losing ladder points, even though they shouldn't be a big deal, but the idea of losing something just exacerbates everything. *sigh*

Now, where ladder excels is pairing you up with opponents of approximate skill levels. But because of the map pool and inability to select match-ups, it's really hard to improve at all, and I don't think it is a very effective way of improving by playing different match-ups on differently balanced maps. If I don't like maps I will veto them, while a large number of the other "bad" maps end up being vetoed by other players, so really only metal, shattered, xelnaga, and shakuras see any play for me, and those are the maps I would choose to custom on anyways.
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nka203
Profile Joined May 2010
United States102 Posts
June 03 2011 17:00 GMT
#199
I was going to say losing in SC2 is painful because of all the hard work you put into making buildings and units, and your opponent just comes in with an army and rapes everything.

But then again custom games people could care less.
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 03 2011 17:05 GMT
#200
I've had ladder fear after a week off starcraft.
Just play customs for days on end.
Always takes a good session to get back into it.
I have to hype myself up like okay today after work ill play 5 customs then ladder for a couple hours.
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