EPTMLG Columbus Pools Announced - Page 17
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poundcakes
Norway239 Posts
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toson1
United States9 Posts
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On May 18 2011 17:43 toson1 wrote: Good Luck everybody, tough draw for everybody in group C. One thing I'm wondering, why does Incontrol have such a high seed for this tourney? Didn't Idra win an MLG last year? I guess they went off of the last mlg where incontrol did really well. It's purely on the last MLG. Not all of the past MLGs points put together like before. iNcontroL placed 4th so gets the 4th seed. IdrA 6th so gets the 6th seed etc etc... | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On May 18 2011 16:43 kagemucha wrote: Might've been answered before, but why are the Koreans placed into groups so weirdly? If you follow the original 16 seeds, there is a nice snake-pattern (like NFL draft system). But then the koreans come and the order is off. It would seem to me that : A: (17)Losira B: (18)Bomber C: (19)MMA D: (20)Moon would make more sense statistically. Unless of course MLG is actually ranking Open Bracket players OVER the korean seeds. Any thoughts? I think MLG wanted to avoid #1 seed player by MLG point in the same group as #1 seed player by GSL points. So MLG seeds start from top left (Group A) and GSL seeds start from bottom right (Group D). | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On May 18 2011 17:43 toson1 wrote: Good Luck everybody, tough draw for everybody in group C. One thing I'm wondering, why does Incontrol have such a high seed for this tourney? Didn't Idra win an MLG last year? I guess they went off of the last mlg where incontrol did really well. points reset at the beginning of the season, so seeding will be based on the first event. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Audio
United States60 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4732 Posts
Also insane is that Gretorp is in the Championship-bracket again. He goes 0-4 in pool play, then beats Optikzero and then loses to Haypro. So that performance of 1-5 makes him #18 in Dallas, and with Huk and Socke gone he is back at top 16 for Columbus. This is just wrong. edit: This is no personalized attack against Gretorp, but against the seeding system. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
Will be a fun event. Maybe I can make the drive down to Columbus to see it first hand depending on how my summer classes are going. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Honestly I dont see any easy win there and Im afraid it will be very difficult for our Liquid guys. | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
On May 18 2011 17:54 Malinor wrote: Group C is just insane. Also insane is that Gretorp is in the Championship-bracket again. He goes 0-4 in pool play, then beats Optikzero and then loses to Haypro. So that performance of 1-5 makes him #18 in Dallas, and with Huk and Socke gone he is back at top 16 for Columbus. This is just wrong. edit: This is no personalized attack against Gretorp, but against the seeding system. The MLG that got him into the Championship bracket in the first place I was amazed with how well he played. He really showed some awesome games and what he is capable of. The reason it works like that is the same as with the GSL. To have some sort of net to fall back on and like you said under the system he wouldn't actually be in the pool play again. Only because people don't show up. Now to just exgagurate this point. If I get 18 place but 14 people don't show up I get the 4th seed! Has nothing to do with the system but with people not showing and thereby influencing it. Also Group C is redonkeytron. I'm rooting for SeleCT to make it out with ret coming in second. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
I am not a happy fan. =( Meanwhile, Pool A games will be like a training session for Nani. I can actually see him winning the whole thing again. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4732 Posts
On May 18 2011 18:07 legatus legionis wrote: The MLG that got him into the Championship bracket in the first place I was amazed with how well he played. He really showed some awesome games and what he is capable of. The reason it works like that is the same as with the GSL. To have some sort of net to fall back on and like you said under the system he wouldn't actually be in the pool play again. Only because people don't show up. Now to just exgagurate this point. If I get 18 place but 14 people don't show up I get the 4th seed! Has nothing to do with the system but with people not showing and thereby influencing it. Also Group C is redonkeytron. I'm rooting for SeleCT to make it out with ret coming in second. Yes, the system is the problem. He goes 1-5 and the worst he could do was getting #24. Go 0-4/last place in your pool and you should at least start in the first round of the losers bracket, not in the third round. MLG protecting their proplayers is all nice and stuff, but it just goes way too far for my taste. | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
On May 18 2011 17:49 NHY wrote: I think MLG wanted to avoid #1 seed player by MLG point in the same group as #1 seed player by GSL points. So MLG seeds start from top left (Group A) and GSL seeds start from bottom right (Group D). No it makes perfect sense. When you seed from high to low they spread it out like this 1 2 3 6 5 4 So that the highest seed has the advantage of playing the lowest seeds available. And the middle ground plays more of the middle grounds. Which is good because it's harder to say who is better there, so you just have them play and see who wins (not who is better). Then come the Korean seeds, 7 8 9 lets see how will we put them in.. 1 2 3 6 5 4 9 8 7 Putting the lowest ranking Korean in the group with the highest MLG seed. Following the same system as the MLG distribution for everyone else. It has nothing to do with MLG and GSL. GSL players get an MLG seed based on theri GSL rank and the MLG seed obviously works exactly the same for everyone. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Bomber has his work cut out for him, though. No matter how good somebody is, you can't feel well being in the same group with those guys... | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
B looks pretty well balanced, but doesn't have quite the same wow factor. Good race spread and good players. A seems like a pretty free ride for Nani, despite not being on the same level as the other koreans it looks like a group Moon could do rather well in too. D is pretty weak, Losira should do well in there though with all the ZvZ it might be volatile. Incontrol will be a contender again since it's a lot of PvZ for him, not sure I see Haypro or Machine picking up many games, and as always TLO is going to be something of a wildcard. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On May 18 2011 12:51 Falcor wrote: yeah those are pretty solid, i think the favorite to leave each group is easy to call...but the second is kinda sketchy, i dont see incontrol making it out of group imo I will bet you one gorillion bitcoins that iNcontrol makes it out of group play. In fact I'll take that bet with anybody  | ||
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EightyFive
58 Posts
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
On May 18 2011 18:12 Malinor wrote: Yes, the system is the problem. He goes 1-5 and the worst he could do was getting #24. Go 0-4/last place in your pool and you should at least start in the first round of the losers bracket, not in the third round. MLG protecting their proplayers is all nice and stuff, but it just goes way too far for my taste. I get your point now. I'll agree. Even though the protection has it perks and is pretty neat overall, it seems better if there is more risk and players can drop further. I know when looking at the losers bracket and how the pool play get's placed I was kinda shocked because it was so rediculous. It becomes like a stairway to heaven when the losers of pool get slapped on. (with this I mean the trajectory from the first round of this losers bracket to the finals is 1 million games) However I don't have a good overview to really go in depth with this. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
A 1) Naniwa 2) Moon 3) Slush B 1) MMA 2) Kiwikaki 3) Sjow C 1) Idra 2) Bomber 3) Select D 1) Losira 2) Incontrol 3) TLO | ||
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