In part two of a translated video interview with SK Gaming the 'God of Protoss' and two time GSL champion MC spoke about the four great SC2 players (NesTea, MVP, MarineKing and himself) as well as PvP and foreigners.
Topics discussed: -Whether MC would like to face MVP in a final to decide who is the best player overall. -Does MC consider MarineKing his rival? -What causes MC to declare "Zerg is IMBA"? -Will MarineKing ever win a GSL? -How tough was White-Ra when they played at DreamHack? -Which race does MC consider Europeans better at than Koreans? -Why is MC so good at PvP? -Would he like to face NaNiwa?
Oh I get it. MVP threw his up and down matches so he could go down to Code A and avoid MC and now MC is throwing his group play matches to go after him.
MC doesn't say "MVP is dodging me" what he says can be translated as something like "Whenever we're in a tournament luck has it that we don't end up in the same bracket and if we do, one of us always gets knocked out early".
On May 07 2011 09:44 kOre wrote: MC doesn't say "MVP is dodging me" what he says can be translated as something like "Whenever we're in a tournament luck has it that we don't end up in the same bracket and if we do, one of us always gets knocked out early".
That is what they are saying, just a little misleading because they make it sound purposeful, but no player can control the brackets.
lol slap in the face for all whiny zergs also says that europe has very good T players, which explainst why most of tournaments in EU were won by terrans
On May 07 2011 09:44 kOre wrote: MC doesn't say "MVP is dodging me" what he says can be translated as something like "Whenever we're in a tournament luck has it that we don't end up in the same bracket and if we do, one of us always gets knocked out early".
That is what they are saying, just a little misleading because they make it sound purposeful, but no player can control the brackets.
True, cus yeah if you read just the title you would get the impression that MVP is trying to dodge MC on purpose, just thought I'd point that out. ZERG IMBA lol! That makes me feel slightly better.
On May 07 2011 09:43 Jerubaal wrote: Oh I get it. MVP threw his up and down matches so he could go down to Code A and avoid MC and now MC is throwing his group play matches to go after him.
It all makes sense now!
But they also have an agreement, to make sure MKP never wins a title.
Nice interview, not sure i agree korean terran are weaker than EU, but EU definitely have some really good terrans. Nani vrs MC would be awesome Huk actually said MC has really good off-race too so it wouldnt be a shock if he could own protoss with zerg.
Love him or hate him, I have to say MC is probably the Korean pro who's reached out the most to the foreign community. It might just be because he's so heavily spotlighted, but even the Koreans who've competed in a few foreigner tournaments (Nada, Rainbow, Boxer, etc) seldom do interviews as regularly as MC does.
Cool interview, although I find his comment about telling White-Ra how best to play PvP and that's part of why he did so well funny ;D
On May 07 2011 09:48 ridonkulous wrote: lol slap in the face for all whiny zergs also says that europe has very good T players, which explainst why most of tournaments in EU were won by terrans
Not really since MC uses changefields and everyone knows those are imba :p
OT: Cool interview kinda nice how they edited it together
The title comes directly from the translated text the translator, who I'm told speaks fluent Korean and knows MC personally, gave to me. There are so many other interesting comments made by MC in this interview, in my opinion, that the problem isn't the title of the post.
Rather it's a problem that so many people seem to want to discuss the title rather than watch the interview and discuss the content of the interview. It's equivalent to someone debating the title of a book at a reading group rather than actually reading the book.
Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
On May 07 2011 09:44 kOre wrote: MC doesn't say "MVP is dodging me" what he says can be translated as something like "Whenever we're in a tournament luck has it that we don't end up in the same bracket and if we do, one of us always gets knocked out early".
Yeah the title of the thread is kinda click baitish but interesting nonetheless.
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
yeah dude for sure MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
I have to agree with MC on his thoughts about zerg.
Zerg players can no longer complain about being a weak race. They have so many good builds that they haven't fully utilized yet such as the Spanishiwa build and baneling/infestor oriented builds. Once zergs get past the mindset of roach/hydra/corrupter the race as a whole will start to get a lot scarier.
On May 07 2011 10:07 Gatored wrote: I have to agree with MC on his thoughts about zerg.
Zerg players can no longer complain about being a weak race. They have so many good builds that they haven't fully utilized yet such as the Spanishiwa build and baneling/infestor oriented builds. Once zergs get past the mindset of roach/hydra/corrupter the race as a whole will start to get a lot scarier.
Did you happen to watch The Spanishiwa vs sjMajor showmatch?
On May 07 2011 10:07 Gatored wrote: I have to agree with MC on his thoughts about zerg.
Zerg players can no longer complain about being a weak race. They have so many good builds that they haven't fully utilized yet such as the Spanishiwa build and baneling/infestor oriented builds. Once zergs get past the mindset of roach/hydra/corrupter the race as a whole will start to get a lot scarier.
Did you happen to watch The Spanishiwa vs sjMajor showmatch?
Major shut down that build hard.
Talking more about the PvZ matchup, the one zergs have been complaining about the most.
On May 07 2011 09:48 ridonkulous wrote: lol slap in the face for all whiny zergs also says that europe has very good T players, which explainst why most of tournaments in EU were won by terrans
EU has always sort of been stacked on terran with relatively few zerg though
On May 07 2011 10:07 Gatored wrote: I have to agree with MC on his thoughts about zerg.
Zerg players can no longer complain about being a weak race. They have so many good builds that they haven't fully utilized yet such as the Spanishiwa build and baneling/infestor oriented builds. Once zergs get past the mindset of roach/hydra/corrupter the race as a whole will start to get a lot scarier.
Did you happen to watch The Spanishiwa vs sjMajor showmatch?
Major shut down that build hard.
I saw it and lets be honest 1 game != evidence that something is bad.And he was prob referring to ZvP anyways
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
On May 07 2011 09:44 kOre wrote: MC doesn't say "MVP is dodging me" what he says can be translated as something like "Whenever we're in a tournament luck has it that we don't end up in the same bracket and if we do, one of us always gets knocked out early".
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
yeah dude for sure MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky
On May 07 2011 09:59 amarillo wrote: The title comes directly from the translated text the translator, who I'm told speaks fluent Korean and knows MC personally, gave to me. There are so many other interesting comments made by MC in this interview, in my opinion, that the problem isn't the title of the post.
Rather it's a problem that so many people seem to want to discuss the title rather than watch the interview and discuss the content of the interview. It's equivalent to someone debating the title of a book at a reading group rather than actually reading the book.
the thing is korean to english translations are never perfect, so in english things that sound like aggressive (MVP has been dodging me) is actually relatively kinda nonchalant passive words in korean. He really is saying something more along the lines of "we have always been across from eachother/not meeting eachother in brackets so its strange"
the fun part is, that although he may be very cocky but he also is mostly right :p this guy really has such a deep understanding of the game, his own skill, and the skill of other players. always fun to watch.
On May 07 2011 09:59 amarillo wrote: The title comes directly from the translated text the translator, who I'm told speaks fluent Korean and knows MC personally, gave to me. There are so many other interesting comments made by MC in this interview, in my opinion, that the problem isn't the title of the post.
Rather it's a problem that so many people seem to want to discuss the title rather than watch the interview and discuss the content of the interview. It's equivalent to someone debating the title of a book at a reading group rather than actually reading the book.
the thing is korean to english translations are never perfect, so in english things that sound like aggressive (MVP has been dodging me) is actually relatively kinda nonchalant passive words in korean. He really is saying something more along the lines of "we have always been across from eachother/not meeting eachother in brackets so its strange"
Yeah just because a translator can speak fluent korean doesn't necessarily mean they can translate everything perfectly into the english counterpart.
But enough of that, thanks for the interview! I really enjoy seeing what different koreans have to say
On May 07 2011 10:27 MonsieurGrimm wrote: wish he went into more detail about why he thinks z is imba. saying that he plays z all the time and wins vs p doesnt really cut it imo.
yeah he didn't give any reasons like the OP suggested :/.
Haha was thinking about it and I guess it goes with being rank 1 in the world. You got to be cocky to mantain yourself as king. Soon as you start thinking you're not the best, you lose. Nice interview. Not very informative, but a good laugh.
Yeah. I didn't get anything from this interview. The MVP comment was intended differently than you first think when you read the OP, the Z comment is substantiated with.. nothing, European Ts are good and micro is important. Meh. Can't help but feel it's a little too cut up, 2 parts would probably have offered just that more actual content, but it could just be me.
Sneaky White-Ra though, that made me chuckle admittedly.
MC is kind of like idra in that he speaks his mind and doesnt sugarcoat stuff which is kind of funny because idra has said protoss is imba and now mc says zerg imba xD
On May 07 2011 10:51 rickybobby wrote: MC is kind of like idra in that he speaks his mind and doesnt sugarcoat stuff which is kind of funny because idra has said protoss is imba and now mc says zerg imba xD
yeah, but idra expands on his opinions, i hope MC does the same; real interested in why he thinks zerg is OP.
On May 07 2011 10:51 rickybobby wrote: MC is kind of like idra in that he speaks his mind and doesnt sugarcoat stuff which is kind of funny because idra has said protoss is imba and now mc says zerg imba xD
yeah, but idra expands on his opinions, i hope MC does the same; real interested in why he thinks zerg is OP.
I got the impression he is probably making fun of all the QQ. He even kinda smirked when he said that, dunno he may have good reasons though and I am just being stupid.
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
yeah dude for sure MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky
I think he has plenty of reason
No he doesn't. He'd certainly good, but he's not really the type of player that's going to stand the test of time (as we've started to see). He has awesome micro and in the early stages of the development of SC2, he did quite well because no one knew any optimal strategies. As time goes on and the games becomes more refined, his macro/refinement/decision making will pull him down while more talanted mechanical players will rise to the top. Also, people are falling for protoss all-ins less and less, which was a big part of his success.
To be fair, when all protoss were whining ( after 0 protoss in top 4 of first 2 GSL), and protoss were dying to range 4 roaches and Terran timing pushes, MC said that Protoss were actually very strong and they are failing because they haven't discovered the correct response.
MC also said that obviously he's not gonna tell the world what it is because it is to his advantage that other people have not caught on and as a progamer, he'll hide what he knows for as long as possible.
Then of course MC proved his point and went on a tear to win gsl 3 beating Terrans left and right. Soon after, we see Protoss take over Pvt and PvZ just like MC had predicted.
So, racial bias aside, MC has been known to make statements like this and back it up.
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
yeah dude for sure MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky
I think he has plenty of reason
No he doesn't. He'd certainly good, but he's not really the type of player that's going to stand the test of time (as we've started to see). He has awesome micro and in the early stages of the development of SC2, he did quite well because no one knew any optimal strategies. As time goes on and the games becomes more refined, his macro/refinement/decision making will pull him down while more talanted mechanical players will rise to the top. Also, people are falling for protoss all-ins less and less, which was a big part of his success.
what are you basing this off of? at the same time he started "losing" he won copenhagen easily with some of the best euro players in the world and I think everyone would agree that after the thorzain series MC has some of the best macro/late game army control of any protoss
also definitely don't agree with MC when he says foreign terrans are better. I don't think it's even close to be frank when you compare the top terrans now that Bomber is also in the mix and he doesn't really have a "weak" matchup
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
yeah dude for sure MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky
I think he has plenty of reason
No he doesn't. He'd certainly good, but he's not really the type of player that's going to stand the test of time (as we've started to see). He has awesome micro and in the early stages of the development of SC2, he did quite well because no one knew any optimal strategies. As time goes on and the games becomes more refined, his macro/refinement/decision making will pull him down while more talanted mechanical players will rise to the top. Also, people are falling for protoss all-ins less and less, which was a big part of his success.
He was the first player to win two championships, thus for a time becoming the best Sc2 player in the world. Whether he's going to be good in the future or not. At that stage he had more than enough going for him to justify his confidence. Geeze, get off his back already. Some people like to be themselves alright?
I will say...foreign Terran seem stronger when it comes to mech play. Jinro and Goody are the IMO the two best Terran mech players in the world. When it comes to MMM though, Korea has the edge.
Interesting that MC considers Euro terrans to be better than Korean terrans. I'd take MVP/Bomber/MKP/MMA/Nada over Kas/Sjow/Cloud/Strelok/Thorzain/Jinro,etc in overall skill, but Euro terrans might have better TvP than Koreans ones do.
On May 07 2011 12:27 awesomoecalypse wrote: I will say...foreign Terran seem stronger when it comes to mech play. Jinro and Goody are the IMO the two best Terran mech players in the world. When it comes to MMM though, Korea has the edge.
I believe Jinro once said on his stream or somewhere that he said mech vs protoss sucks now maybe he was just frustrated but I'm pretty sure he said that. And Goody really isn't good. (This is coming from a Terran) Goody's micro and decision making is extremely bad for a professional terran, he was just overrated because he beat nestea. Goody has been performing awful in the NASL and got embarrassed in the TSL I can't remember who he played against but he just got stomped.
Still don't like the fact that people just state that he is the best player in the world, it's really debatable, but oh well zerg is imba anyway apparently XD
On May 07 2011 09:48 ridonkulous wrote: lol slap in the face for all whiny zergs also says that europe has very good T players, which explainst why most of tournaments in EU were won by terrans
Also, he said the korean Zergs are better, which explains why they're doing good vs P in Korea, but not outside of Korea.
On May 07 2011 10:07 Gatored wrote: I have to agree with MC on his thoughts about zerg.
Zerg players can no longer complain about being a weak race. They have so many good builds that they haven't fully utilized yet such as the Spanishiwa build and baneling/infestor oriented builds. Once zergs get past the mindset of roach/hydra/corrupter the race as a whole will start to get a lot scarier.
Did you happen to watch The Spanishiwa vs sjMajor showmatch?
Major shut down that build hard.
i think hes is talking about ZvP... the spanishiwa build doesn't make a lot of sense against terran because siege tank have a good range
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
yeah dude for sure MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky
I think he has plenty of reason
No he doesn't. He'd certainly good, but he's not really the type of player that's going to stand the test of time (as we've started to see). He has awesome micro and in the early stages of the development of SC2, he did quite well because no one knew any optimal strategies. As time goes on and the games becomes more refined, his macro/refinement/decision making will pull him down while more talanted mechanical players will rise to the top. Also, people are falling for protoss all-ins less and less, which was a big part of his success.
It's nice to see MC being involved in the foreign scene. Can't help but to root for him in the GSL as an honorary member of the foreign sc2-world now.
I especially loved when he said this: "I was kind of shocked when I trained in Europe vs. Terrans how good they really are"
People in the forum are never taken seriously when comparing foreigner vs koreans the way he does in this interview, but you kind of have to when it comes from MC.
On May 07 2011 09:43 Jerubaal wrote: Oh I get it. MVP threw his up and down matches so he could go down to Code A and avoid MC and now MC is throwing his group play matches to go after him.
I actually think foreign TvP is much stronger than Korean TvP because there much more versatile builds and Koreans just go for standard play as for Thorzain goes for crazy stuff... Too bad they are nerfing thors
On May 08 2011 00:37 Raid wrote: I actually think foreign TvP is much stronger than Korean TvP because there much more versatile builds and Koreans just go for standard play as for Thorzain goes for crazy stuff... Too bad they are nerfing thors
Yeah. I don't get the nerf. I guess HT didn't counter enough units in the terran aresenal as-is.
On May 07 2011 09:43 Jerubaal wrote: Oh I get it. MVP threw his up and down matches so he could go down to Code A and avoid MC and now MC is throwing his group play matches to go after him.
That made me laugh so hard haha.
Lol this is hilarious. What if MC went down Code A chasing after MVP n MVP came back up into code S. lol
i just love MC, the guy'so funny, i don't get why people take everything he says so seriously and dissect it hardcore.
and i'd like to address some of the myth of his recent decline
with the sheer amount of tournaments, including fly-to lans this guy is playing it's simply amazing and quite inspiring he manages to win as much as he does in all matchups, what would people expect from a player to call him the best in the world, to win absolutely everything perhaps, that's delusional.
the guy is the best in the world no doubt, mvp and the likes of new talent like bomber got a good bit of catching up to do results-wise and essentially they need to prove themselves outside of the singularity of the gsl tournaments,
to make this point clearer, it's easy to criticize mc's losses when he plays online tournaments on jet lag on location of the venue of a lan tournament against different styles than generally used by koreans, and against players who literally did nothing for 2 weeks but prepare for him, while he was busy winning back to back lans in different countries half way across the world from his home.
now to simplify it: you see him lose this much because he plays so much, AND gets all the spotlight that comes with being numero uno.
plus there's the arguable nature of his recent most notable losses, the guy's still a machine in all departments of the game, but just seems to get weird mostly on opening builds at times, and he needs to tone down his aggression. even if he does slump though, all the champions do it, people always keep crying "omg MC is done for" - every champion loses, ye it'd be interesting to have a player with 90% win rates in all matchups, but seriously, this game has a few years to go before any Flash or Jaedong can happen, and even they lose a fuckton, sometimes when you least expect it.
as for the remark on foreign terrans, at the time this interview was conducted, eu terrans were showing stronger form than the koreans, remember this was taken before the new code a where we had the return of mvp, and the rise of bomber and mma, when the likes of kas sjow thorzain select had been owning face, while mvp was falling to code a, and the ryungs and bombers weren't even qualifying for the gsl.
the thing on zerg is to be taken with a pinch of salt, as is a lot of stuff MC says, i found it pretty funny, and i can see where he'd take that from even if he was a bit serious about it.
the next code S will be a doozie, can't wait to see how MC fares against new strong talent and old refined power in what will likely be the most competitive GSL to date. and i wanna see more top level koreans in foreign tourneys, someone fly MVP and Nestea to a major lan already.
There's a difference between confidence and arrogance. It's subtle, but what he says (as far as I know since I have to go by translation) and how he says it does not scream "arrogance" to me.
Lol at all the people who read this and try to call him about for being super cocky. This guys an entertainer; he says shit that stirs up controversy and doesn't always make sense. However there is no doubt that his personality is good for the sc2 community. Makes him no different from Idra In his extreme and very arrogant views. They are both very polarizing figures. Enjoy it for what it's worth... Don't get all butt hurt thinking about how he proxies white-ra or called out Ciara. You may hate the dude, but you are entertained by him.
I want him to face NaNiWa so bad, but I dont think MC would win against Naniwa PvP actually. Naniwa has taken down in the gadget finals recently Socke and I would consider Socke to have one of the best PvP in the world, same goes with Kiwikaki.
Well MC saying ZvP favours the zerg isnt too far from other top korean plays thoughts, nestea says he is very confident that he can beat any protoss and losira has expressed a similar view.
MC being a total baller as usual, aside from that he got some valid points. And I think we are finally moving on from all the "OMG ZERG SO UNDERPOWERED". As Eyx said Nesta and Losira have said they think Zergs can beat Toss at any time.
MC vs Naniwa would be soooooo awesome. Also fun to hear he wanted to meet Naniwa IRL, seems very friendly :D
Boring itw, seriously. Every one of his sentence ends up with something about him beeing so good. I don't say that it's not true, but still, i think he should learn to be more quiet about that.
MC is awesome. If only I was there when he told White-Ra what it takes to be good at PvP! Hell, being in a conversation with both White-Ra and MC would be the shit. On a side note, if anyone happens to know or hear WR talk about what MC said, please do tell.
i wouldn't take MCs statement about zerg to serious, he made no valid argument - considering the context and MCs usual interviews he was probably joking
(expect the microing in pvp there were no arguments at all iirc)
On May 08 2011 02:37 Eyx wrote: Well MC saying ZvP favours the zerg isnt too far from other top korean plays thoughts, nestea says he is very confident that he can beat any protoss and losira has expressed a similar view.
When did they say this? Was this recent? Last I heard, Idra-fanboys were proclaiming that all Korean Zergs were saying that Protoss is OP, so I am assuming this must be after the patch change. Do you have an interview you could link me to?
Also, hilarious interview. MC vs Naniwa, I hope it happens as soon as possible. Maybe Dreamhack Summer.
On May 08 2011 02:37 Eyx wrote: Well MC saying ZvP favours the zerg isnt too far from other top korean plays thoughts, nestea says he is very confident that he can beat any protoss and losira has expressed a similar view.
When did they say this? Was this recent? Last I heard, Idra-fanboys were proclaiming that all Korean Zergs were saying that Protoss is OP, so I am assuming this must be after the patch change. Do you have an interview you could link me to?
Also, hilarious interview. MC vs Naniwa, I hope it happens as soon as possible. Maybe Dreamhack Summer.
NesTea said he is having success playing against the protoss on his own team, and people have been spamming it all over the place as him saying "nestea said protoss easy now"
On May 08 2011 02:37 Eyx wrote: Well MC saying ZvP favours the zerg isnt too far from other top korean plays thoughts, nestea says he is very confident that he can beat any protoss and losira has expressed a similar view.
When did they say this? Was this recent? Last I heard, Idra-fanboys were proclaiming that all Korean Zergs were saying that Protoss is OP, so I am assuming this must be after the patch change. Do you have an interview you could link me to?
Also, hilarious interview. MC vs Naniwa, I hope it happens as soon as possible. Maybe Dreamhack Summer.
nestea says that despite him whining, actually he has 90 percent win rate over protoss so he feels confident in final. Losira also said similar thing in the past i think and considering they are both zergs from the same team, they probably share it with each other. And the patch has not hit yet unless you are talking about infestor patch which has hit for quite a while.
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote: Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.
yeah dude for sure MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky
I think he has plenty of reason
No he doesn't. He'd certainly good, but he's not really the type of player that's going to stand the test of time (as we've started to see). He has awesome micro and in the early stages of the development of SC2, he did quite well because no one knew any optimal strategies. As time goes on and the games becomes more refined, his macro/refinement/decision making will pull him down while more talanted mechanical players will rise to the top. Also, people are falling for protoss all-ins less and less, which was a big part of his success.
On May 08 2011 02:37 Eyx wrote: Well MC saying ZvP favours the zerg isnt too far from other top korean plays thoughts, nestea says he is very confident that he can beat any protoss and losira has expressed a similar view.
When did they say this? Was this recent? Last I heard, Idra-fanboys were proclaiming that all Korean Zergs were saying that Protoss is OP, so I am assuming this must be after the patch change. Do you have an interview you could link me to?
Also, hilarious interview. MC vs Naniwa, I hope it happens as soon as possible. Maybe Dreamhack Summer.
nestea says that despite him whining, actually he has 90 percent win rate over protoss so he feels confident in final. Losira also said similar thing in the past i think and considering they are both zergs from the same team, they probably share it with each other. And the patch has not hit yet unless you are talking about infestor patch which has hit for quite a while.
Which one, all of them I saw have Nestea saying that he feels he has to be lucky and the Zerg race is harder than the other races? And yeah, I meant patch 1.3 which came out in late March I believe, so its only been a little more than a month. I would consider that fairly recent, but I could entertain an argument its been a while.
Anyways, yeah I couldn't find an interview with Nestea saying he felt confident.
What a joke.. MC's been in decline since the recent win of the GSL. He mocked the balance issues to an extreme on purpose, and then has the nerve to say Zerg is imba. I'd love to see MC prove that he can play Zerg on an equal level with a professional Protoss. That being said, there's plenty of Zerg players who've shown how ridiculously easy it is to be Protoss and just simply spam F to win. Not impressed. And he really needs to take a step back with his cockiness, he doesn't seem anywhere near as good as he was once perceived. I look forward to seeing him lose more.
On May 08 2011 02:37 Eyx wrote: Well MC saying ZvP favours the zerg isnt too far from other top korean plays thoughts, nestea says he is very confident that he can beat any protoss and losira has expressed a similar view.
When did they say this? Was this recent? Last I heard, Idra-fanboys were proclaiming that all Korean Zergs were saying that Protoss is OP, so I am assuming this must be after the patch change. Do you have an interview you could link me to?
Also, hilarious interview. MC vs Naniwa, I hope it happens as soon as possible. Maybe Dreamhack Summer.
- You will be facing a protoss in the finals. I think Inca is a really good player. I know I complained a lot previously about ZvP matchups when I faced Anypro, but in practice I was win rate against them were around 90%, so I have some confidence in the matchup.
It's bullshit. He didn't say that at all. 'Confidence in the matchup' and winning in practice does not mean 'can beat any protoss'. Not even remotely. The complaining Nestea's referring to in the Ro8 interview was him saying playing zerg is really difficult and you need to get lucky in order to win, LOL. It's not like he'd flip-flop that opinion completely in a matter of days.
On May 08 2011 02:37 Eyx wrote: Well MC saying ZvP favours the zerg isnt too far from other top korean plays thoughts, nestea says he is very confident that he can beat any protoss and losira has expressed a similar view.
When did they say this? Was this recent? Last I heard, Idra-fanboys were proclaiming that all Korean Zergs were saying that Protoss is OP, so I am assuming this must be after the patch change. Do you have an interview you could link me to?
Also, hilarious interview. MC vs Naniwa, I hope it happens as soon as possible. Maybe Dreamhack Summer.
- You will be facing a protoss in the finals. I think Inca is a really good player. I know I complained a lot previously about ZvP matchups when I faced Anypro, but in practice I was win rate against them were around 90%, so I have some confidence in the matchup.
It's bullshit. He didn't say that at all. 'Confidence in the matchup' and winning in practice does not mean 'can beat any protoss'. Not even remotely. The complaining Nestea's referring to in the Ro8 interview was him saying playing zerg is really difficult and you need to get lucky in order to win, LOL. It's not like he'd flip-flop that opinion completely in a matter of days.
Wow, I totally missed the round of 4 interviews and went straight for the old interviews. Missed them by a hair, thanks. Anyways, yeah I see what people mean now.
On May 07 2011 09:59 amarillo wrote: The title comes directly from the translated text the translator, who I'm told speaks fluent Korean and knows MC personally, gave to me. There are so many other interesting comments made by MC in this interview, in my opinion, that the problem isn't the title of the post.
stopped reading there. i didn't read the interview either, but seems like OP is a MC-hater or just a troll.
Zerg imba probably exaggerated but we might never know. Remember who toss got their ass handed to them in the first 2 GSL by erran, MC was like toss don't know how to PvT then he rolfstomped Jinro and Rain in the next GSL to win. Maybe he has special tactics with zerg.
On May 08 2011 16:08 TRG wrote: What a joke.. MC's been in decline since the recent win of the GSL. He mocked the balance issues to an extreme on purpose, and then has the nerve to say Zerg is imba. I'd love to see MC prove that he can play Zerg on an equal level with a professional Protoss. That being said, there's plenty of Zerg players who've shown how ridiculously easy it is to be Protoss and just simply spam F to win. Not impressed. And he really needs to take a step back with his cockiness, he doesn't seem anywhere near as good as he was once perceived. I look forward to seeing him lose more.
Maybe he should try switch race to Zerg for 1 GSL or something to prove himself, but i believe he will get stomped pretty hard and drop to code A immediately if he does that....
Right now it's insanely hard to beat a zerg once he gets an economy (full saturation on 3-4 bases). And with new builds like spanishiwa's build and zerg figuring out timings it's insanely hard to STOP them from spamming all those drones and getting all the hatches for production you can't match even with 14 gateways. I guess what I'm trying to say is, in the end game when zerg has basically infinite roach production, brood lords, and infestors, you can't win . That's from my mid masters exp.
Reason I'm saying this is obv because of the statement he's making that some might take out of context. (zerg is imba).. moreover zerg lategame mechanics are imba (larvae + quick saturation + high hp cheap unit)
On May 08 2011 16:58 Zythian wrote: Right now it's insanely hard to beat a zerg once he gets an economy (full saturation on 3-4 bases). And with new builds like spanishiwa's build and zerg figuring out timings it's insanely hard to STOP them from spamming all those drones and getting all the hatches for production you can't match even with 14 gateways. I guess what I'm trying to say is, in the end game when zerg has basically infinite roach production, brood lords, and infestors, you can't win . That's from my mid masters exp.
Reason I'm saying this is obv because of the statement he's making that some might take out of context. (zerg is imba).. moreover zerg lategame mechanics are imba (larvae + quick saturation + high hp cheap unit)
Typical response because you are bad at late game play. Good players like MVP have no problem vs zerg in a late game. Learn to play late game, then talk about 'imba'.
On May 08 2011 21:40 simme123 wrote: He's the Idra of korea
No, he's not. IdrA is so cocky he can't accept that his losses are his fault rather than his races...MC is so cocky he think he will never lose no matter what. :D
EPT
MC spoke about the four great SC2 players (
NesTea, 
MVP, 
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Huk actually said MC has really good off-race too so it wouldnt be a shock if he could own protoss with zerg.
