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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 07 2011 03:23 GMT
#61
also definitely don't agree with MC when he says foreign terrans are better. I don't think it's even close to be frank when you compare the top terrans now that Bomber is also in the mix and he doesn't really have a "weak" matchup

I think MC was more or less referring to TvP
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4559 Posts
May 07 2011 03:27 GMT
#62
On May 07 2011 11:37 Arisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 10:28 GreEny K wrote:
On May 07 2011 10:05 travis wrote:
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote:
Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.


yeah dude for sure
MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky


I think he has plenty of reason


No he doesn't. He'd certainly good, but he's not really the type of player that's going to stand the test of time (as we've started to see). He has awesome micro and in the early stages of the development of SC2, he did quite well because no one knew any optimal strategies. As time goes on and the games becomes more refined, his macro/refinement/decision making will pull him down while more talanted mechanical players will rise to the top. Also, people are falling for protoss all-ins less and less, which was a big part of his success.

He was the first player to win two championships, thus for a time becoming the best Sc2 player in the world. Whether he's going to be good in the future or not. At that stage he had more than enough going for him to justify his confidence. Geeze, get off his back already. Some people like to be themselves alright?
hi. big fan.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
May 07 2011 03:27 GMT
#63
I will say...foreign Terran seem stronger when it comes to mech play. Jinro and Goody are the IMO the two best Terran mech players in the world. When it comes to MMM though, Korea has the edge.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 07 2011 03:27 GMT
#64
Interesting that MC considers Euro terrans to be better than Korean terrans. I'd take MVP/Bomber/MKP/MMA/Nada over Kas/Sjow/Cloud/Strelok/Thorzain/Jinro,etc in overall skill, but Euro terrans might have better TvP than Koreans ones do.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 07 2011 03:43 GMT
#65
not to derail the thread, but I also feel like xiaOt from china is a ridiculously good protoss player

if I were to just judge him off the 2 games I've seen from him against MKP I'd say he's top 3 protoss player in the world, and possibly the best

he has the army control of MC, but also has really good builds and patience
Frequencyy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States344 Posts
May 07 2011 14:18 GMT
#66
On May 07 2011 12:27 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I will say...foreign Terran seem stronger when it comes to mech play. Jinro and Goody are the IMO the two best Terran mech players in the world. When it comes to MMM though, Korea has the edge.


I believe Jinro once said on his stream or somewhere that he said mech vs protoss sucks now maybe he was just frustrated but I'm pretty sure he said that. And Goody really isn't good. (This is coming from a Terran) Goody's micro and decision making is extremely bad for a professional terran, he was just overrated because he beat nestea. Goody has been performing awful in the NASL and got embarrassed in the TSL I can't remember who he played against but he just got stomped.
You will not do incredible things without an incredible dream
iPBioOrMech
Profile Joined May 2010
Turkey297 Posts
May 07 2011 14:20 GMT
#67
LMAO " WILL MARINEKING EVER WIN A GSL" i think this upcoming gsl hes gonna get a nice reward! i hope so he deserves it
i created scan BM, MvP created mule drop.
Lingy
Profile Joined December 2010
England201 Posts
May 07 2011 14:25 GMT
#68
Still don't like the fact that people just state that he is the best player in the world, it's really debatable, but oh well zerg is imba anyway apparently XD
Hydraliskuuuuhh
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
May 07 2011 14:34 GMT
#69
On May 07 2011 09:48 ridonkulous wrote:
lol slap in the face for all whiny zergs
also says that europe has very good T players, which explainst why most of tournaments in EU were won by terrans


Also, he said the korean Zergs are better, which explains why they're doing good vs P in Korea, but not outside of Korea.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
May 07 2011 14:35 GMT
#70
good interview. MC is the man!
Velocity`
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom343 Posts
May 07 2011 14:36 GMT
#71
Haha MC as the Nada of SC2. I think he might be getting a bit ahead of himself there but who knows.
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 14:37:26
May 07 2011 14:37 GMT
#72
On May 07 2011 10:11 Sandro wrote:
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On May 07 2011 10:07 Gatored wrote:
I have to agree with MC on his thoughts about zerg.

Zerg players can no longer complain about being a weak race. They have so many good builds that they haven't fully utilized yet such as the Spanishiwa build and baneling/infestor oriented builds. Once zergs get past the mindset of roach/hydra/corrupter the race as a whole will start to get a lot scarier.

Did you happen to watch The Spanishiwa vs sjMajor showmatch?

Major shut down that build hard.


i think hes is talking about ZvP...
the spanishiwa build doesn't make a lot of sense against terran because siege tank have a good range
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
May 07 2011 14:38 GMT
#73
If i play zerg i beat every protoss zerg is imba.

Love it
Ignore my opinions I am bad
kratos-23
Profile Joined March 2011
303 Posts
May 07 2011 14:47 GMT
#74
On May 07 2011 11:37 Arisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 10:28 GreEny K wrote:
On May 07 2011 10:05 travis wrote:
On May 07 2011 10:01 dronescout wrote:
Is it just me or is MC very cocky. In this interview he said he thinks he is the best PvP'er and that he will stomp MVP and MarineKing and also said that I doesn't think Naniwa will beat him in PvP. Also if you remember his interview right before his game with Ciara in TSL he said something about him being a bad player and stood no chance. I find this a tad funny.


yeah dude for sure
MC is hilariously and unreasonably cocky


I think he has plenty of reason


No he doesn't. He'd certainly good, but he's not really the type of player that's going to stand the test of time (as we've started to see). He has awesome micro and in the early stages of the development of SC2, he did quite well because no one knew any optimal strategies. As time goes on and the games becomes more refined, his macro/refinement/decision making will pull him down while more talanted mechanical players will rise to the top. Also, people are falling for protoss all-ins less and less, which was a big part of his success.

ok nostradamus, lol.
kratos-23
Profile Joined March 2011
303 Posts
May 07 2011 14:52 GMT
#75
On May 07 2011 12:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:
not to derail the thread, but I also feel like xiaOt from china is a ridiculously good protoss player

if I were to just judge him off the 2 games I've seen from him against MKP I'd say he's top 3 protoss player in the world, and possibly the best

he has the army control of MC, but also has really good builds and patience

thats why he losses vs loner, please dont compare him to mc.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
May 07 2011 15:15 GMT
#76
It's nice to see MC being involved in the foreign scene.
Can't help but to root for him in the GSL as an honorary member of the foreign sc2-world now.

I especially loved when he said this:
"I was kind of shocked when I trained in Europe vs. Terrans how good they really are"

People in the forum are never taken seriously when comparing foreigner vs koreans the way he does in this interview, but you kind of have to when it comes from MC.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Gleve
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States206 Posts
May 07 2011 15:25 GMT
#77
On May 07 2011 09:43 Jerubaal wrote:
Oh I get it. MVP threw his up and down matches so he could go down to Code A and avoid MC and now MC is throwing his group play matches to go after him.

That made me laugh so hard haha.
♞
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
May 07 2011 15:37 GMT
#78
I actually think foreign TvP is much stronger than Korean TvP because there much more versatile builds and Koreans just go for standard play as for Thorzain goes for crazy stuff... Too bad they are nerfing thors
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
May 07 2011 15:40 GMT
#79
On May 08 2011 00:37 Raid wrote:
I actually think foreign TvP is much stronger than Korean TvP because there much more versatile builds and Koreans just go for standard play as for Thorzain goes for crazy stuff... Too bad they are nerfing thors

Yeah. I don't get the nerf. I guess HT didn't counter enough units in the terran aresenal as-is.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
WindOw
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden407 Posts
May 07 2011 15:42 GMT
#80
Nice interview, would be awesome if they made a show match between Nani and MC
AKA WindOw[InCa] (BW) | TheMisT (SC2) | NaNiwa FC founder
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