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On October 26 2012 09:36 Portlandian wrote:

They didn't make any changes.

They released a couple mockups that would take a few hours at most, and a blog post. That's it.

On October 26 2012 11:18 Portlandian wrote:

That proves me correct, as it is discussing a future patch. That is to say, these changes haven't been made. It's discussing the future.

As I said before, I will repeat this simple and 100% accurate fact you seem to be avoiding:

They didn't make any changes.

They released a couple mockups that would take a few hours at most, and a blog post. That's it.

This argument is getting extremely silly. Don't be so ridiculously defensive that you can't admit simple facts like the fact Blizzard didn't release a patch, they released a blog post that would take a couple hours of work from one person at most. And their hasty blog post was an obvious reaction to the negative publicity being generated.

On October 26 2012 11:23 corpuscle wrote:


Do you have any fucking idea how software development works? Do you honestly think that "spend two hours on a mockup" means that they can release a working model in a week or two (HotS patches are coming really fast)? Systems like battle.net are insanely complicated and adding something new onto them is not a week or even month-long project, it takes a buttload of dev time to make even minor changes. Battle.net is a massive networking environment that spans across three completely different games, there's undoubtedly hundreds if not millions of lines of code to deal with here.

On October 26 2012 11:18 Portlandian wrote:

That proves me correct, as it is discussing a future patch. That is to say, these changes haven't been made. It's discussing the future.

As I said before, I will repeat this simple and 100% accurate fact you seem to be avoiding:

They didn't make any changes.

They released a couple mockups that would take a few hours at most, and a blog post. That's it.

This argument is getting extremely silly. Don't be so ridiculously defensive that you can't admit simple facts like the fact Blizzard didn't release a patch, they released a blog post that would take a couple hours of work from one person at most. And their hasty blog post was an obvious reaction to the negative publicity being generated.

On October 26 2012 18:21 bokeevboke wrote:


Not really dude. They already have a core platform, and given that they're very experienced developers, I assume they made it flexible enough to generate new plugins and add-ons. It won't be difficult for them

Look at Bethesda games, community is able to create new UI, Animations, Battle systems, cause they already have tools and core engine. I don't think Blizzard builds games like some Indy enthusiastic developers.

This comes from a software developer with 10+ years experience.

On October 26 2012 04:51 bokeevboke wrote:
My take on this:

IdrA and Incontrol like things the way they are. I assume they got decent paycheks, therefore they don't want anything to 'change'. I mean they don't wanna whole community going nuts and disbalance the scene, which might end their perfect progamer life in EG-house. I don't blame them, maybe they are a bit selfish. But any of us would do the same.

The problem is that if you look outside EG house you see pretty dim picture of sc world. Teams are disbanding, players not getting paid to go tournament and casuals leaving sc2.

I think djWheat truly believes that starcraft needs to be hardcore. His best example is American Idol (LoL) vs Breaking bad (SC2). Which is kinda fair point. But it has a flaw in it.
Those are TV shows, anybody has easy access to them, and people who are likely to like Breaking bad may randomly stumble upon it and start watching.

But how a random guy (who presumably gonna like watching starcraft) get into watching starcraft? SC2 is not broadcasted on TV, game is not easily accessible, even if he gets a chance to play it, it will be very difficult and kinda not fun.

Most of current SC community are from bw era. But they are not forever. They'll get old and have families, then just move on.

I think Destiny has fair point. We need to attract casual gamers in order sustain viewership. Its the only way to get people into watching competitive SC2.

On October 26 2012 05:02 CiCeRoSC2 wrote:


This is completely inaccurate. You could not possibly be more wrong about IdrA and Incontrol not wanting "change". If you've listened to anything that IdrA or iNcontroL have said for years, you would know that they aren't happy with Blizzard. IdrA goes on and on about how the game is trash. They are not ok with the status quo, but after over two years of complaining, they've given up on trying to get Blizzard to change the game, and would rather focus their energy on things they can do, like run tournaments, create youtube videos, and attract sponsors. They go on and on about how teams and tournaments can do more to improve Pro SC2.

The American Idol v. Breaking Bad comparison was in reference to advertising. He was simply trying to show that shows with lower viewership can still be successful. You don't need to have a huge broad audience in order to be a good quality program that can sustain itself. Just because you aren't #1 doesn't mean that you can't be successful.

Most of the current SC2 community did not come from the people who watched pro BW. I don't think you realize how tiny the non-korean BW scene was.

Destiny isn't wrong that bringing more casual gamers into SC2 would help the scene. Absolutely nobody is arguing with that. He's just wrong that the scene will fall apart unless Blizzard goes full on Riot in its catering to them.

On October 26 2012 05:31 bokeevboke wrote:


I might be wrong on many stuff but in the end, I think Destiny did a right thing shaking up sc community. Blizzard got too lazy/passive. Mass ranting, complaining, whining definitely make them do something. Otherwise they would be content with things they are. Its simple customer relationship. When people get bitching about product stakeholders gonna get worried and company CEO starts to act.

IdrA/Incontrol are like "blizzard didn't do anything for 2 years and they are not gonna do it anyway, why do you make the community go crazy". Which I think is clear indication them being afraid of things getting heated up.

at 1:22:22 djWheat is screaming that stream numbers are skyrocketing which is quite a big LIE. Streams are in downfall. Pro player's viewer count and day9 viewer count has fallen down drastically. EDIT. that was my big lie, djwheat meant all games.

On October 26 2012 05:31 bokeevboke wrote:


I might be wrong on many stuff but in the end, I think Destiny did a right thing shaking up sc community. Blizzard got too lazy/passive. Mass ranting, complaining, whining definitely make them do something. Otherwise they would be content with things they are. Its simple customer relationship. When people get bitching about product stakeholders gonna get worried and company CEO starts to act.

IdrA/Incontrol are like "blizzard didn't do anything for 2 years and they are not gonna do it anyway, why do you make the community go crazy". Which I think is clear indication them being afraid of things getting heated up.

at 1:22:22 djWheat is screaming that stream numbers are skyrocketing which is quite a big LIE. Streams are in downfall. Pro player's viewer count and day9 viewer count has fallen down drastically. EDIT. that was my big lie, djwheat meant all games.

On October 26 2012 11:23 corpuscle wrote:


Do you have any fucking idea how software development works? Do you honestly think that "spend two hours on a mockup" means that they can release a working model in a week or two (HotS patches are coming really fast)? Systems like battle.net are insanely complicated and adding something new onto them is not a week or even month-long project, it takes a buttload of dev time to make even minor changes. Battle.net is a massive networking environment that spans across three completely different games, there's undoubtedly hundreds if not millions of lines of code to deal with here.

On October 26 2012 06:26 IdrA wrote:

if the community as a whole is led to believe that sc2 is failing and start spamming reddit and twitter and tl with threads about how we're doomed and sponsors see that, you think theyre going to want to invest in the community? it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

On October 26 2012 22:41 bokeevboke wrote:

Mind you IdrA, as an average spectator and casual player I don't give a shit about sponsors as long as the game is shit and not entertaining to watch. If you think that our job as sc community is to make everything we can so that you could get sponsers and paid, I have to tell you, you're wrong, I could go as far to say that you're a selfish douche, but I'm not gonna, coz I think as a progamer you don't see anything past the wall of EG house or tournament booth. People are not satisfied here with the game, its as simple as that.

On October 26 2012 11:10 Plansix wrote:


Joystiq.com proves you incorrect:

From the article:

Blizzard has plans for XP bonuses as well, either for specific awards like your first win of the day, or for more general happenings like XP bonus weekends and other special events. The leveling system is being added to the beta in the next patch (and will likely be reset a few times during testing), and will eventually be available in Heart of the Swarm when it's released.

On October 26 2012 22:56 Domus wrote:


What a load of crap. First, don't call someone a douche and then say you aren't. Second, maybe, just maybe SC2 is not built for casual gamers! Maybe we already have enough of these products out there. Maybe it is built for people who actually like a challenge, and wish this game would bring more challenge instead of a false sense of achievement?

Gamers these days...Seriously every time I hear someone ask for another carrot on a stick to run after, an achievement, a skin, a hat, a xp bar to fill up, is this really what you want in your games, a constant padding on the back?