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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 23:48:04
October 16 2012 23:47 GMT
#5581
OSL needs to make the players the spokes person. They have fucking Flash, Jaedong, Bisu. They need to market the hell out of that. I think OSL just doesn't know what to do with the foreign scene yet. Not sure if Doa and Moletrap can fix that on their own though.
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CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
October 16 2012 23:57 GMT
#5582
PainUser really needs to fix his mic.
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
October 17 2012 00:18 GMT
#5583
THE ROBOTS ARE HERE!
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LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
October 17 2012 00:21 GMT
#5584
Can't hear anything the guys are saying
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 17 2012 00:24 GMT
#5585
Maybe they should try that "Raidcall" thingy that I've hear about.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 17 2012 00:32 GMT
#5586
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 00:52:14
October 17 2012 00:51 GMT
#5587
On October 17 2012 09:32 blade55555 wrote:
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.


Teams still not learning to keep their members in check and not do stupid/illegal stuff just pisses me off. Hire a PR for goodness sake.

I for one do not contact sponsors because I have not been overly offended by racist/political/underaged rape jokes but if I do you can bet I will.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Fan of: MKP, Select, MC, Kripp, Purge, JP, Qpad Red Pandas
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
October 17 2012 01:14 GMT
#5588
On October 17 2012 09:51 Bart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 09:32 blade55555 wrote:
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.


Teams still not learning to keep their members in check and not do stupid/illegal stuff just pisses me off. Hire a PR for goodness sake.

I for one do not contact sponsors because I have not been overly offended by racist/political/underaged rape jokes but if I do you can bet I will.

So you didn't take anything away from the show? Did you even listen or are you just making mindless comments in random threads?

Good show overall, but like the above poster shows I don't think the sponsors talk is really going to reach the people it needs to.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Dotq
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway235 Posts
October 17 2012 01:15 GMT
#5589
Im getting kinda annoyed that hosts uses more time on plugging their sponsors then talking about the game.

Today it was just taken to a new level, with a step by step guide how to thank the incredible sponsors of EG.

Maby its just me, but I cant take hearing more about steelseries, intel and monster......yes they are important to grow and maintain this community, but holy fuk, its too much.

I'll shut up and go grab a monster now:p
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 17 2012 01:16 GMT
#5590
On October 17 2012 09:51 Bart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 09:32 blade55555 wrote:
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.


Teams still not learning to keep their members in check and not do stupid/illegal stuff just pisses me off. Hire a PR for goodness sake.

I for one do not contact sponsors because I have not been overly offended by racist/political/underaged rape jokes but if I do you can bet I will.

what do you think the month suspension was? its teaching stephano to not do things like that
you think the current situation is players behaving completely unrestricted? you're pretty dumb if you do. think about how you talk with your friends and compare it with how we act in public. even compare how we act in different situations, on stream, in videos, on shows, at tournaments. if you want to be a part of establishing where those lines are drawn you should contact the teams, and if enough people agree with you then players will be forced to toe those lines.

going to sponsors is just potentially sabotaging the industry you're trying to better.
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Mithiel
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway16 Posts
October 17 2012 01:19 GMT
#5591
Don't wanna be an total asshole but Painuser needs to go.

All the shit he talks about during the show makes me just wanna mute. Either he talks about something unrelevant or he just repeats what someone else just said.

We need a more relevant terran. Not saying painuser dosen't know his shit because I really don't know, but we need a player. Someone like a Demuslim, QXC or any European Terran.
Rezudox
Profile Joined July 2012
207 Posts
October 17 2012 02:10 GMT
#5592
On October 17 2012 10:16 IdrA wrote:
going to sponsors is just potentially sabotaging the industry you're trying to better.


They aren't trying to improve anything. They are just cancerous scum.

Rezudox
Profile Joined July 2012
207 Posts
October 17 2012 02:12 GMT
#5593
Mp3 for Inside The Game Episode 56.

http://archive.org/download/InsideTheGameEpisode56/InsideTheGameEpisode56.mp3 (Right click, save as.)

Enjoy.
theJob
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
October 17 2012 02:18 GMT
#5594
On October 17 2012 10:19 Mithiel wrote:
Don't wanna be an total asshole but Painuser needs to go.

All the shit he talks about during the show makes me just wanna mute. Either he talks about something unrelevant or he just repeats what someone else just said.

We need a more relevant terran. Not saying painuser dosen't know his shit because I really don't know, but we need a player. Someone like a Demuslim, QXC or any European Terran.


I got to agree. He's a master of the awkward arts and whenever he speaks the show grinds to a halt.
I'm sure he's a nice person irl but he's terrible on itg.
Winners train. Loosers complain.
bellyfrog
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand72 Posts
October 17 2012 02:40 GMT
#5595
On October 17 2012 11:12 Rezudox wrote:
Mp3 for Inside The Game Episode 56.

http://archive.org/download/InsideTheGameEpisode56/InsideTheGameEpisode56.mp3 (Right click, save as.)

Enjoy.


Thank you!
Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 02:57:53
October 17 2012 02:45 GMT
#5596
On October 17 2012 10:14 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 09:51 Bart wrote:
On October 17 2012 09:32 blade55555 wrote:
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.


Teams still not learning to keep their members in check and not do stupid/illegal stuff just pisses me off. Hire a PR for goodness sake.

I for one do not contact sponsors because I have not been overly offended by racist/political/underaged rape jokes but if I do you can bet I will.

So you didn't take anything away from the show? Did you even listen or are you just making mindless comments in random threads?

Good show overall, but like the above poster shows I don't think the sponsors talk is really going to reach the people it needs to.


I was addressing the comment I quoted directly as I am doing so now.

On October 17 2012 10:16 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 09:51 Bart wrote:
On October 17 2012 09:32 blade55555 wrote:
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.


Teams still not learning to keep their members in check and not do stupid/illegal stuff just pisses me off. Hire a PR for goodness sake.

I for one do not contact sponsors because I have not been overly offended by racist/political/underaged rape jokes but if I do you can bet I will.

what do you think the month suspension was? its teaching stephano to not do things like that
you think the current situation is players behaving completely unrestricted? you're pretty dumb if you do. think about how you talk with your friends and compare it with how we act in public. even compare how we act in different situations, on stream, in videos, on shows, at tournaments. if you want to be a part of establishing where those lines are drawn you should contact the teams, and if enough people agree with you then players will be forced to toe those lines.

going to sponsors is just potentially sabotaging the industry you're trying to better.


Obviously our expectations of the appropriate punishment differs greatly. I think we need to admit that fans going to sponsors have become a norm what with 3-4 controversial instances (maybe more?) of this sort occuring already. Managers, players, teams and industry celebrities have all come out to voice their unhappiness about this and yet still it (going to sponsors first) happens when players make controversial "mistakes". Shouldn't teams and players know how to "toe the line" by now? ie if you're on air, think before you hit "enter". I know easier said than done right.

In conclusion, instead of trying to make hundreds of thousands of fans stop doing something isn't it easier to make the hundreds of players stop and think before doing/saying something especially if that something(s) that players are doing is deemed wrong/racist/controversial/illegal?

Edit: Amended to reflect that I understand teams are asking players to not do stupid stuff on air but are they doing enough seeing as it keeps happening?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Fan of: MKP, Select, MC, Kripp, Purge, JP, Qpad Red Pandas
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 17 2012 03:00 GMT
#5597
On October 17 2012 11:45 Bart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 10:14 Tachion wrote:
On October 17 2012 09:51 Bart wrote:
On October 17 2012 09:32 blade55555 wrote:
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.


Teams still not learning to keep their members in check and not do stupid/illegal stuff just pisses me off. Hire a PR for goodness sake.

I for one do not contact sponsors because I have not been overly offended by racist/political/underaged rape jokes but if I do you can bet I will.

So you didn't take anything away from the show? Did you even listen or are you just making mindless comments in random threads?

Good show overall, but like the above poster shows I don't think the sponsors talk is really going to reach the people it needs to.


I was addressing the comment I quoted directly as I am doing so now.

Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 10:16 IdrA wrote:
On October 17 2012 09:51 Bart wrote:
On October 17 2012 09:32 blade55555 wrote:
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.


Teams still not learning to keep their members in check and not do stupid/illegal stuff just pisses me off. Hire a PR for goodness sake.

I for one do not contact sponsors because I have not been overly offended by racist/political/underaged rape jokes but if I do you can bet I will.

what do you think the month suspension was? its teaching stephano to not do things like that
you think the current situation is players behaving completely unrestricted? you're pretty dumb if you do. think about how you talk with your friends and compare it with how we act in public. even compare how we act in different situations, on stream, in videos, on shows, at tournaments. if you want to be a part of establishing where those lines are drawn you should contact the teams, and if enough people agree with you then players will be forced to toe those lines.

going to sponsors is just potentially sabotaging the industry you're trying to better.


Obviously our expectations of the appropriate punishment differs greatly. I think we need to admit that fans going to sponsors have become a norm what with 3-4 controversial instances (maybe more?) of this sort occuring already. Managers, players, teams and industry celebrities have all come out to voice their unhappiness about this and yet still it (going to sponsors first) happens when players make controversial "mistakes". Shouldn't teams and players learn to "toe the line" by now?

Instead of trying to make hundreds of thousands of fans stop doing something isn't it easier to make the hundreds of players stop doing something especially if that something(s) that players are doing is deemed wrong/racist/controversial/illegal?



Most of the time it's not fans going to the sponsors. It's people who are just mindlessly destructive, or, worse, mindfully destructive; people who see something and want to tear it down. Our culture, the culture of the internet, is absolutely full of those people. Some are torch-and-pitchfork idiots - I DON'T LIKE THIS THING BURN IT DOWN! - and others are more malicious, wanting to break things just because they can. They can't be controlled or made to cease their foolish behavior. You, though, can. You're clearly not an idiot, you're a passionate person who wants to help the growth of the sport. The way to do that is to contact the people with the authority over the people bothering you. If a player does something, go to a manager or a team; hell, even his teammates! If it's the owner of a team, if SirScoots and Alex had said what Stephano did, then you go to the sponsors. They're the ultimate authority. Cases don't start at the Supreme Court.

Players do dumb shit, and it gets dealt with. The problem comes when people, both within the community and without, take it upon themselves to perform some sort of vigilante justice. And that's exacerbated when the behavior is just 'controversial.' You don't have a God-given right to not be offended. If you're offended, well, so fucking what? How does that hurt you, and what possible remedy is there? What people are upset about isn't that Stephano committed an illegal act, it's that he said he did. The saying is the problem, because we don't know that it happened. Most people, I would guess, either don't care or don't think anything happened.

So, I suppose, the ultimate lessons are two-fold. First, there's a portion of people who will always try to tear good things down. Second, you don't have to be one of those people. You can express your displeasure in constructive rather than destructive ways.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 17 2012 03:05 GMT
#5598
On October 17 2012 09:51 Bart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 09:32 blade55555 wrote:
Hearing about the SRS reddit community and in general the dipshits who contact sponsors as a first thing when something goes wrong just pisses me off.

Really hope people can stop contacting sponsors over every stupid little thing and talk to team managers first before doing that drastic step.


Teams still not learning to keep their members in check and not do stupid/illegal stuff just pisses me off. Hire a PR for goodness sake.

I for one do not contact sponsors because I have not been overly offended by racist/political/underaged rape jokes but if I do you can bet I will.


Yes because a team can mind control someone to stop them from saying a joke, or something offensive that they shouldn't. They can still punish them without going to the sponsors first. That was my point. Contacting sponsors should be a last resort if the team refuses to punish or acknowledge the wrong doing of said individual.

If you get offended contact a manager first not the sponsors. If you think it's ok to contact sponsors first well not much to say except sorry you don't understand that.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
October 17 2012 03:10 GMT
#5599
On October 17 2012 11:18 theJob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 10:19 Mithiel wrote:
Don't wanna be an total asshole but Painuser needs to go.

All the shit he talks about during the show makes me just wanna mute. Either he talks about something unrelevant or he just repeats what someone else just said.

We need a more relevant terran. Not saying painuser dosen't know his shit because I really don't know, but we need a player. Someone like a Demuslim, QXC or any European Terran.


I got to agree. He's a master of the awkward arts and whenever he speaks the show grinds to a halt.
I'm sure he's a nice person irl but he's terrible on itg.


Not to mention the fact that his opinion isn't even respected by his fellow hosts. Idra/Incontrol openly laugh at half of what he says. It's not even about results. QXC has readily and regularly gone toe to toe with Incontrol/Idra on SOTG and come away on top or at least having held his own. They still make fun of Painuser actually having the argument that DTs are better than Banshees, and there's a reason for that.
bakarin
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan121 Posts
October 17 2012 03:18 GMT
#5600
They aren't worthy of calling "professionals" if they still show those kinds of behavior

in before hurr durr it was juz a joke xd grow up xdddd you want them to be boring in suit and ties hurrr xddddddddddd

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