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"Terran is the weakest race" - MVP, IM House Tour - Page 9

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koreanfuture
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 04:52:04
April 24 2011 04:51 GMT
#161
If you have lost faith in SC2 like I have.
Then you can destine your own, by playing Diablo 3.
Set your own destiny, go like the facebook site and follow www.diablofans.com (tl.net of Diablo 3)
This will be another hell of a ride from Blizzard game, but except the senior design is better than Dustin Bowder. In my opinion, Jay Wilson is far more knowledgable of what to put in the game and what not. And how it will affect the game in the long run. There is no way Jay wilson and his team would have added units like ..... and ...... I'm sure there are multiple units that can go here, Lol.


www.facebook.com/diablo
www.diablofans.com (Another great community supporing Blizzard games)




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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
April 24 2011 04:51 GMT
#162
On April 24 2011 13:49 Darclite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 11:55 DarkRise wrote:
On April 24 2011 11:49 StarcraftMan wrote:
I'm glad that IMMVP has come out to admit that Terran is the weakest race now. The cumulative changes by Blizzard to Terran has really hurt the Terran race. That is a refershing viewpoint coming from IMMVP, the best Terran player in the world, as IMMVP knows the strengths and weaknesses of the Terran race the best.


To be honest, you have to give credit to protoss and zerg for working so hard making strats just to be on equal terms. Yes, Terran has been hurt by a lot of nerfs but do you think terrans made a significant effort and not just rely on the strat that works so strong before.
Look at Thorzain, this guy coming out of nowhere revolutionizing TVP beating MC and Tyler. I just think that Terran players are just lazing around relying on things that works before. It's not the race but the actual player.


This. I mean no offense to Terran players, but I am not seeing the same effort put into learning about the game as I am from Protoss or Zerg. For example, look at the strategy channels on the NA server. The Zerg channel will have 80 people, the Protoss channel will have 70, and the Terran one will have 6. Or, for example, I was surprised to find after discussing the Thorzain games (both after defeating Tyler and today) to find that many Terrans did not know that Thors stunned their targets that were being hit by the 250mm cannons or that vikings had such high dps on the ground. Many who I talk to think that when I say build order, I mean "bio" or "mech."

The game isn't far from being balanced, but I am getting sick of seeing "finally someone admits terran is weakest" or "hardest to use" when that is simply untrue.

On a lighter note, lol at Artosis in the first vid.


Terran channel is glitched to only have 5 people per channel. Nice try though.
The Notorious Winkles
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 24 2011 04:51 GMT
#163
On April 24 2011 13:49 Yuriegh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:43 Chicane wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:41 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:37 rysecake wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:35 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:33 rysecake wrote:
When Mvp complains about his race, we insult him. When Idra complains about his race, we hop on the train.


It's because where IdrA's complaints are legitimate, Mvp's are not.


See what I mean?


You have failed to even give a reason that terran is UP other than because Mvp said so


He's not even arguing whether or not the are UP. He is simply showing how hypocritical you are being... which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account to have this conversation so you either wouldn't get banned or so you wouldn't have the zerg icon.


Wait wait wait you think I am IdrA?


No...
Buddhalol
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada109 Posts
April 24 2011 04:51 GMT
#164
as always artosis delivers pure gold !~

thank you so much sir and continue to make these videos! :DDD

ps. switch back to zerg
Jah Rastafari
Yuriegh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States327 Posts
April 24 2011 04:52 GMT
#165
On April 24 2011 13:51 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:49 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:43 Chicane wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:41 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:37 rysecake wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:35 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:33 rysecake wrote:
When Mvp complains about his race, we insult him. When Idra complains about his race, we hop on the train.


It's because where IdrA's complaints are legitimate, Mvp's are not.


See what I mean?


You have failed to even give a reason that terran is UP other than because Mvp said so


He's not even arguing whether or not the are UP. He is simply showing how hypocritical you are being... which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account to have this conversation so you either wouldn't get banned or so you wouldn't have the zerg icon.


Wait wait wait you think I am IdrA?


No...


then please define what you meant by "which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account"
I got shot through a place not long ago I thought I knew the place so well
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
April 24 2011 04:54 GMT
#166
On April 24 2011 13:43 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:41 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:37 rysecake wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:35 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:33 rysecake wrote:
When Mvp complains about his race, we insult him. When Idra complains about his race, we hop on the train.


It's because where IdrA's complaints are legitimate, Mvp's are not.


See what I mean?


You have failed to even give a reason that terran is UP other than because Mvp said so


He's not even arguing whether or not the are UP. He is simply showing how hypocritical you are being... which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account to have this conversation so you either wouldn't get banned or so you wouldn't have the zerg icon.

comment of the year
MKP||TSL
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 24 2011 04:55 GMT
#167
On April 24 2011 13:52 Yuriegh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:51 Chicane wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:49 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:43 Chicane wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:41 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:37 rysecake wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:35 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:33 rysecake wrote:
When Mvp complains about his race, we insult him. When Idra complains about his race, we hop on the train.


It's because where IdrA's complaints are legitimate, Mvp's are not.


See what I mean?


You have failed to even give a reason that terran is UP other than because Mvp said so


He's not even arguing whether or not the are UP. He is simply showing how hypocritical you are being... which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account to have this conversation so you either wouldn't get banned or so you wouldn't have the zerg icon.


Wait wait wait you think I am IdrA?


No...


then please define what you meant by "which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account"


Really? You pretty much said it yourself. Since you have as many total posts as you do in this thread, you likely made this account just now, and you likely have another one. That being said... this argument is pointless. I don't want to have to continue spelling things out to someone who clearly has nothing to lose by getting into an argument.
LoliKuma
Profile Joined June 2010
United States237 Posts
April 24 2011 04:55 GMT
#168
DAN'S THE MAN!

Thank you so much Artosis!

Double VR rush @ the IM house!
The End DOES Justifiy the Means
Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
April 24 2011 04:55 GMT
#169
Thank you so much!! These are always so awesome :D
Nothing worth having comes easy.
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
April 24 2011 04:55 GMT
#170
On April 24 2011 13:52 Yuriegh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:51 Chicane wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:49 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:43 Chicane wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:41 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:37 rysecake wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:35 Yuriegh wrote:
On April 24 2011 13:33 rysecake wrote:
When Mvp complains about his race, we insult him. When Idra complains about his race, we hop on the train.


It's because where IdrA's complaints are legitimate, Mvp's are not.


See what I mean?


You have failed to even give a reason that terran is UP other than because Mvp said so


He's not even arguing whether or not the are UP. He is simply showing how hypocritical you are being... which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account to have this conversation so you either wouldn't get banned or so you wouldn't have the zerg icon.


Wait wait wait you think I am IdrA?


No...


then please define what you meant by "which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account"

To be perfectly honest, if your playing has lead you to believe Zerg is UP, you should start thinking about ceasing to play SC2, because this game just isn't right for you.
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
SwirlQ
Profile Joined February 2011
United States148 Posts
April 24 2011 04:56 GMT
#171
On April 24 2011 12:28 Djeez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 12:21 soupchicken wrote:
On April 24 2011 12:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
On April 24 2011 12:04 SilverPotato wrote:
On April 24 2011 12:00 Mailing wrote:
Weakest? Hardly.

Maybe hardest to play, but even that is stretching it.

I'm sorry but it's not beta anymore...

Yeah T is much harder than zerg and especially toss.


How? Mechanically? Zerg is clearly harder mechanically, just the nature of the race and balancing drone/unit production.


I play Zerg... and even I think that Terran mechanics are the hardest to do perfectly. But then again I just might be just so used to Zerg that I don't realize how difficult it can be.


Agreed. Terran mechanics and micro is way harder than Zerg imo. I think that Zerg requires a better game sense/game knowledge/timings though.

And toss?

ez


read my mind. formula for success with toss

Good BO + Good FF = win
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 24 2011 04:56 GMT
#172
Props to Hwanni - you seem to be overlooked in a lot of the thanks around here, but us hardcore fans clearly know what a complete beast you are - thanks for all of the help.

And of course, thanks artosis! Complete gold, again.
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SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
April 24 2011 04:57 GMT
#173
On April 24 2011 13:56 SwirlQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 12:28 Djeez wrote:
On April 24 2011 12:21 soupchicken wrote:
On April 24 2011 12:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
On April 24 2011 12:04 SilverPotato wrote:
On April 24 2011 12:00 Mailing wrote:
Weakest? Hardly.

Maybe hardest to play, but even that is stretching it.

I'm sorry but it's not beta anymore...

Yeah T is much harder than zerg and especially toss.


How? Mechanically? Zerg is clearly harder mechanically, just the nature of the race and balancing drone/unit production.


I play Zerg... and even I think that Terran mechanics are the hardest to do perfectly. But then again I just might be just so used to Zerg that I don't realize how difficult it can be.


Agreed. Terran mechanics and micro is way harder than Zerg imo. I think that Zerg requires a better game sense/game knowledge/timings though.

And toss?

ez


read my mind. formula for success with toss

Good BO + Good FF = win

Don't forget the ability to move around an automatically formed death ball!
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
Smigi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States328 Posts
April 24 2011 05:00 GMT
#174
Thanks artosis for the interviews.

as far as balance goes, I don't think their is necessarily a 'weakest' race right now.
However, I do believe their is a strongest race, which is Protoss.

I personally think Protoss's warpgate mechanic is stupid. The ability to make units wherever theres a powerfield is outrageous. Protoss have amazing mobility and their all-in timings are able to be reinforced almost instantly with warpgate. I had the same opinion of warpgate since phase 1 of the beta, and I have the same one now. Once again, I'm not a game designer or on the balance team.. but this is my opinion.
Aside from the warpgate mechanic, I don't think theres anything that stands out as a HUGE issue. Although forcefields and collusi are getting a lot of heat lately.

Drone then Own
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 24 2011 05:02 GMT
#175
On April 24 2011 13:43 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Ok calling it now. IMSEn

You mean IMZergKing?
Chainfire99
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada474 Posts
April 24 2011 05:02 GMT
#176
Larger maps do favor the other races and hurt terran. ImMVP is right. There is no way you can say that large maps favor terran. The race has the slowest reinforcement mechanic making larger distances a problem. I would say as well that terran players have to micro more in battles then the other races as well ( use of stim, evading and moving around ff's, maximizing efficiency versus the swarm etc.) but that's more of a personal opinion and not fact.

Medium-sized maps would be perfect for terran with small maps favoring them too much.
Vincere Vel Mori
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
April 24 2011 05:03 GMT
#177
I was waiting for so long thanks artosis
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
April 24 2011 05:07 GMT
#178
Thanks for the awesome videos Artosis!

As far as balance, people should know that every pro in Korea claims his race is underpowered. That's just how it is, they've been doing it since the first GSL and it has nothing to do with results and more to do with trying, however ineffectually, to influence future balance changes.

Nobody who wants to WIN is silly enough to play a race which gives them a clear disadvantage. I know it takes a lot of effort to change races, but thats still far preferable to playing with a clearly inferior race. While I do feel the game is not yet balanced, with Protoss perhaps being a bit strong, if it really was as bad as Nestea claims, "if you try hard with Protoss you can be unbeatable", then we'd see a flood of players (such as Nestea) changing races.
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 05:10:23
April 24 2011 05:08 GMT
#179
IMDignitas house would be ridiculous

IMFnatic?
IMFXO?

all baller too
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
Chainfire99
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada474 Posts
April 24 2011 05:14 GMT
#180
It won't be Dignitas with two of their marquee players expressing the desire to stay in Europe as opposed to playing in Korea (Dimaga, Naniwa). Prolly FXO or EG imo.
Vincere Vel Mori
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