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CheeseGrater
United States290 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:13 Mitchlew wrote: "Terran is weakest race" MC ges beaten by Thorzain and polt. Jinro beats San and clide beats nestea. Makes sense yo. Wow you listed a couple recent results.. great job. Says absolutely nothing toward the overall balance of the game. | ||
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:13 Mitchlew wrote: "Terran is weakest race" MC ges beaten by Thorzain and polt. Jinro beats San and clide beats nestea. Makes sense yo. Watch the video, yo. That title was merely a sensationalist statement to attract more viewers.  | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
gold level players, honestly | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
Now, whoever is the chosen one better practice their butt off and learn well. | ||
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bluestuff
Canada893 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:15 CheeseGrater wrote: Wow you listed a couple recent results.. great job. Says absolutely nothing toward the overall balance of the game. 11 terrans 1st or 2nd places in 2011 , compared to 9 toss and 6 zerg from the major tounries listed in the liquidpedia.. The WGSL had a tvt final just recently. In the current gsl season there are more terran left then any other race and the tsl is guaranteed to have at least 1 terran in the final. Percentage wise terran have being relatively higher or on par with toss, in representation, in almost every tourney from my quick analysis from liquidpedia. Statistically IMMVP, who admittedly is in a slouch being in code A, really has no argument for terran being "underpowered". | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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thesums
Taiwan257 Posts
In my opinion generally from watching the games and nominations, TvP: Quite balanced, Protoss with amulet nerf means that some pros like San (who use it a lot) will have to come up with something else. But then again stim timing is delayed too. However I feel if protoss plays a more standard, and do not do anything fancy like early DT or air, they will come up on top. Also have to stay with same upgrades. People are saying thorzain won etcetc, but it was barely, and he always have superior upgrades by A LOT, some are 00 vs 22. *If you are still not convinced and think that Terran is overpowered? Explain why most of the pros prefer to pick terrans in the nominations for GSL? More so than zerg even. TvZ: I think this is quite balanced, and results show that the better player kind of wins. Some zergs are complaining about omg siege tanks blah blah OP, but zergs need to be a bit more creative, some ppl do early broods, roach drops, nydus, high econ banes..etc and these bring results! PvZ: I think this one is quite imbalanced atm. Zerg has to be very creative to win this. I feel if protoss again does not do fancy or greedy builds, a good timing push should kill the zerg. But I have seen spines that can block this... @Mitchlew i feel u are looking at only part of the picture. You are forgetting Jinro losing 2 times to nestea in the same group. And MC did play FE against 3+ rax, one was i believe 1 gate expand and one is pylon expand. On xelnaga, that is risky to pull off... As for San, as he said in the interview, he is disappointed by the amulet nerf, which could say that he is still adapting.... | ||
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Yuriegh
United States327 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:33 rysecake wrote: When Mvp complains about his race, we insult him. When Idra complains about his race, we hop on the train. It's because where IdrA's complaints are legitimate, Mvp's are not. | ||
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birdkicker
United States752 Posts
Lol  | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
As for terran being the weakest... I wouldn't agree that they currently are... however it does seem like the race that will be left behind as the game gets figured out. Between zergs quick armies and nydus worms, and protoss' warp technology, I could definitely see Terran's being left behind as the meta game progresses... but obviously I am not a credible source for that kind of prediction.. it's just something I thought about the other day. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:35 Yuriegh wrote: It's because where IdrA's complaints are legitimate, Mvp's are not. See what I mean? | ||
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Yuriegh
United States327 Posts
You have failed to even give a reason that terran is UP other than because Mvp said so | ||
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FezTheCaliph
United States492 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:41 Yuriegh wrote: You have failed to even give a reason that terran is UP other than because Mvp said so He's not even arguing whether or not the are UP. He is simply showing how hypocritical you are being... which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account to have this conversation so you either wouldn't get banned or so you wouldn't have the zerg icon. | ||
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babyToSS
233 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:41 Yuriegh wrote: You have failed to even give a reason that terran is UP other than because Mvp said so To be honest, title is a little sensational. MVP didn't really say terran is weakest race. His arguments were more along the lines of, maps are now a lot bigger and so (i) early game terran pressure has become weaker against zerg and they can drone up more, (ii) timing pushes against toss have become weaker but warp gate tech with proxy pylons have allowed toss to get around the larger map sizes and their rushes still remain strong. Thus, at the moment he is finding it difficult to win with terran. Take it for what you will. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:33 rysecake wrote: When Mvp complains about his race, we insult him. When Idra complains about his race, we hop on the train. Yeah, but MVP's race is doing fairly well even after the latest patches. IdrA's is barely getting top 8 if even. | ||
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Darclite
United States1021 Posts
On April 24 2011 11:55 DarkRise wrote: To be honest, you have to give credit to protoss and zerg for working so hard making strats just to be on equal terms. Yes, Terran has been hurt by a lot of nerfs but do you think terrans made a significant effort and not just rely on the strat that works so strong before. Look at Thorzain, this guy coming out of nowhere revolutionizing TVP beating MC and Tyler. I just think that Terran players are just lazing around relying on things that works before. It's not the race but the actual player. This. I mean no offense to Terran players, but I am not seeing the same effort put into learning about the game as I am from Protoss or Zerg. For example, look at the strategy channels on the NA server. The Zerg channel will have 80 people, the Protoss channel will have 70, and the Terran one will have 6. Or, for example, I was surprised to find after discussing the Thorzain games (both after defeating Tyler and today) to find that many Terrans did not know that Thors stunned their targets that were being hit by the 250mm cannons or that vikings had such high dps on the ground. Many who I talk to think that when I say build order, I mean "bio" or "mech." The game isn't far from being balanced, but I am getting sick of seeing "finally someone admits terran is weakest" or "hardest to use" when that is simply untrue. On a lighter note, lol at Artosis in the first vid. | ||
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Yuriegh
United States327 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:43 Chicane wrote: He's not even arguing whether or not the are UP. He is simply showing how hypocritical you are being... which is no surprise since you took the time to make a separate account to have this conversation so you either wouldn't get banned or so you wouldn't have the zerg icon. Wait wait wait you think I am IdrA? | ||
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