MLG everything feedback - Page 6

Qikz

United Kingdom12022 Posts

April 04 2011 10:06 GMT

#101

On April 04 2011 18:21 Ethic wrote:
Yet another MLG that Day9 has saved, because he can commentate his ass out of any hole.

He really should be getting paid big bucks for this shit.

For me personally, Day9 saved MLG for me. DJ Wheat and JP did there best too and I really enjoyed their commenating, but Day9 just seems to know how to keep me interested.

Ai52487963

United Kingdom136 Posts

April 04 2011 10:09 GMT

#102

I thoguht the production level and professionalism were just fine. From our point of view on the other side of the stream it's hard to see how much is going on over there. I feel like during the caster breaks, which are warranted and justified, we could be still shown stuff that's going on.

There's so many casters out there who'd love to play 'backup' to the main guys. I feel like they could be doing constant casting of all the games and during the main breaks, jump to their commentary. So much time during the stream I was just sitting around not watching anything, when there was plenty going on.

MrSexington

United States1768 Posts

April 04 2011 10:10 GMT

#103

I think the number one thing they need is an additional caster and have that person + JP casting other available games on a 2nd stream. There was some serious down time in addition to great games that everyone had to follow on Twitter that were happening at the same time as the casted games.

Clearly there were games going on during many stretches of dead stream... why not catch those games with an additional pair of casters on a 2nd stream?

NeWeNiyaLord

Norway2474 Posts

April 04 2011 10:11 GMT

#104

I could not agree more with your entire post, That's exactly how it should have been! Great thread dude!

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

April 04 2011 10:14 GMT

#105

Actually, I would have liked it if there was a second stream even without casters. Just being able to watch games in between, without downtime would have been really good.

MythicalMage

1360 Posts

April 04 2011 10:19 GMT

#106

On April 04 2011 19:14 Piledriver wrote:
Actually, I would have liked it if there was a second stream even without casters. Just being able to watch games in between, without downtime would have been really good.

Considering they can't keep one stream running, I find that a bit of a stretch. If theres that much stress on the venue ISP, then they need to change their system somehow to make it work.

BeMannerDuPenner

Germany5638 Posts

April 04 2011 10:21 GMT

#107

outside of the stream/gamelag issues i was just hugely dissapointed by the very very small number of games casted.

granted i didnt camp infront of my pc the entire weekend but i saw maybe 3 or 4 series? given that i still spend like 12 hours watching over the weekend thats just not acceptable. if it wasnt for the at times very funny LR thread ( sadly also huge amounts of pure idiocy in there...) i wouldve just turned off.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

April 04 2011 10:32 GMT

#108

Yep, so few games casted it was shocking.

So many times through the weekend I clicked on the stream and on only one occasion was a game actually being shown.

I'd not seen any MLGs before, and this one left a sad impression :/

Daralii

United States16991 Posts

April 04 2011 10:38 GMT

#109

On April 04 2011 18:56 maartendq wrote:

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They're trying alright, but that's pretty much it. I had some spare time last evening and said to myself "hey, let's have a look at the MLG". Saw some cool games initially, but after those: 45min down time. Well, that's annoying. Next I hear that some really good games are apparently not going to get casted, for reasons unbeknowst to everyone.. I basically followed Idra vs. TLO via twitter..

Thing is, MLG is mainly a Xbox360-event. MLG got big on HALO, a game where the top players have about as much skill as incredibly average PC FPS gamers, due to controler limitations. It's not a Starcraft-exclusive event like the GSL. The guys at mlg have to spread their focus to different things at the same time.

The problem is that they're not spreading their focus equally, nor are they even trying to do so. As people have pointed out in this thread, the difference in production value between Reach/Black Ops and SC2 is mind blowing. They have a bigger budget and more sponsor backing than most smaller LANs put together, and yet they fail to deliver content of even half the quality. The only excuse is lack of effort.

On April 04 2011 16:46 KawaiiRice wrote:
I shouldn't have to wake up and not know I play in an hour
or go to the last day of the event with nothing and be told I have consolation matches

les go MLG !

I... I have no words. :|

JiMMyUriNE

United States49 Posts

April 04 2011 11:13 GMT

#110

And to think, I was actually jealous before this Dallas event started. I went to the one last year and was happy sitting on my ass watching the games in a crowded area.

cYaN

Norway3322 Posts

April 04 2011 11:13 GMT

#111

I agree with most of the OP, but his first point is the most important along with the goal of showing games all the time. It should be fairly obvious that it should be match, 5-10min commentator banter+commercials (total), next match.

If it's extremely difficult to get that schedule to work out or something (i can't imagine it would be, but if) then just give wheat day9 and jp some replays and have then commentate that while waiting. Another alternative is having some pre made interviews. Especially after each day of play ask players about the whole field etc etc.

I assume the lag/connection stuff will be fixed for next time, but this is almost as important. SHOW ME THE GAMES PRETTY PLEASE!

Jiddra

Sweden2685 Posts

April 04 2011 11:14 GMT

#112

Slop3, from the swedish esports taboid rakaka, was crazy angry in his videoblog today. He pointed out every production and tech miss MLG did, and said that he as a newcomer to SC2 can't understand what the fuck is going on. To bad he doesn't do his videos in english, MLG should see it, now they only can see how pissed and red in the face he is.

They should fly him in and sit down and talk with him, many years in streamin production, is in LA and doing film production studies or something. MLG, you need people that know what they are talking about, now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&

Edit:

PS. Stop those plans on trying to sell this kind of production in europe before the production value is much better.

Clamev

Germany498 Posts

April 04 2011 11:17 GMT

#113

Well because everybody has been saying basically the same thing about stream and lag.
I just wanted to say that it would be really if they had a graphic showing the updated brackets.
because a lot of times i just did not know what was going and if the player that just lost was out or what.

Mr Mauve

United Kingdom386 Posts

April 04 2011 11:17 GMT

#114

Many excellent suggestions in this thread, allow me to chuck in 2 random unstructured comments:

1. I've had a good think and have decided to love the tournament structure, at least the way the championship losers' bracket works and the way a coherent and exciting story could be generated (first you must overcome the people who came 5th in their pools... then the people who came 4th... then the people who came 3rd... etc, until you reach the END BOSS).

The production team need to help the commentators get this across with some graphics and some match reports. It's so so bush league for Day[9] to be alt-tabbing to a monochrome graphic somewhere on the Internet and reading from @TeamLiquid to help explain what's going on. Given the amount of downtime to fill between the rounds (only 1 game broadcast per round, remember), there needs to be at bare minimum a summary match report for the commentators to access (or a roving reporter to deliver - JP, what's happening in the other matches?). I watched a small fraction of Sheth's journey and that was done pretty well given the resources available to the commentators, but there are 4 separate stories going on at once during the championship bracket and they're all worthy of coverage.

2. Do an experiment with me. Pretend you don't know anything about what happened over the last 3 days. Try as hard as you can to not use your existing knowledge of which links on the MLG website go where. Google "MLG" and try to work out what happened in the Starcraft 2 tournament.

I'd love to know the fraction of people who end up here:

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http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/leaderboards/2/3/16

Suppose you came to this page as an outsider... what on Earth does it mean?

Soleron

United Kingdom1324 Posts

April 04 2011 11:19 GMT

#115

The guy doing the TL twitter did a better job with updates, interviews, reactions and information than any MLG staffmember I saw. Maybe hire him to replace what was probably 3-4 backend staff working on your live feed / pro circuit desk / whatever.

Knu

United States67 Posts

April 04 2011 11:23 GMT

#116

This thread is amazing. There are some great ideas/suggestions in here.

TrANCE,

301 Posts

April 04 2011 11:23 GMT

#117

Agree 100% The organization of the games being broadcasted seems to have noone.
I like listening to Day9 and Wheat usually but this tournament for the first time i just had to mute them it felt like 10% games 90% desperately thinking of stuff to fill the void.
and the casting booth was the tackiest thing i have seen in years that looked like some home studio must have been a 2 for 1 deal on the monitors and the polished aluminium with strange patterns in it looked horrendous the lights made it look like some cheap american daytime soap. Not that i want any money to be spent on the background the Sc2 poster from last season would do nicely.

I still could have stomached everything else if the games were well organised

Jiddra

Sweden2685 Posts

April 04 2011 11:50 GMT

#118

On April 04 2011 20:17 Mr Mauve wrote:
2. Do an experiment with me. Pretend you don't know anything about what happened over the last 3 days. Try as hard as you can to not use your existing knowledge of which links on the MLG website go where. Google "MLG" and try to work out what happened in the Starcraft 2 tournament.

I'd love to know the fraction of people who end up here:

+ Show Spoiler +

http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/leaderboards/2/3/16

Suppose you came to this page as an outsider... what on Earth does it mean?

I'm not an outsider, have been trying to use MLGs site plenty of times, I still don't get it. I don't know how many times I have tried to find a fking bracket and just ended up here in the LR thread trying to find the link.

A newcomer to SC2 is going to give up in a minute and just continue to watch Halo.