• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:20
CEST 01:20
KST 08:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver4[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon97Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?175Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? [D] Brainstorming a balance patch for Brood war Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game [ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group C [ASL22] Ro16 Group B [ASL22] Ro16 Group A
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6219 users

MLG everything feedback - Page 6

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 14 Next All
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12055 Posts
April 04 2011 10:06 GMT
#101
On April 04 2011 18:21 Ethic wrote:
Yet another MLG that Day9 has saved, because he can commentate his ass out of any hole.

He really should be getting paid big bucks for this shit.


For me personally, Day9 saved MLG for me. DJ Wheat and JP did there best too and I really enjoyed their commenating, but Day9 just seems to know how to keep me interested.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Ai52487963
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 10:09:32
April 04 2011 10:09 GMT
#102
I thoguht the production level and professionalism were just fine. From our point of view on the other side of the stream it's hard to see how much is going on over there. I feel like during the caster breaks, which are warranted and justified, we could be still shown stuff that's going on.

There's so many casters out there who'd love to play 'backup' to the main guys. I feel like they could be doing constant casting of all the games and during the main breaks, jump to their commentary. So much time during the stream I was just sitting around not watching anything, when there was plenty going on.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 10:10:51
April 04 2011 10:10 GMT
#103
I think the number one thing they need is an additional caster and have that person + JP casting other available games on a 2nd stream. There was some serious down time in addition to great games that everyone had to follow on Twitter that were happening at the same time as the casted games.

Clearly there were games going on during many stretches of dead stream... why not catch those games with an additional pair of casters on a 2nd stream?
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 04 2011 10:11 GMT
#104
I could not agree more with your entire post, That's exactly how it should have been! Great thread dude!
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
April 04 2011 10:14 GMT
#105
Actually, I would have liked it if there was a second stream even without casters. Just being able to watch games in between, without downtime would have been really good.
Envy fan since NTH.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
April 04 2011 10:19 GMT
#106
On April 04 2011 19:14 Piledriver wrote:
Actually, I would have liked it if there was a second stream even without casters. Just being able to watch games in between, without downtime would have been really good.

Considering they can't keep one stream running, I find that a bit of a stretch. If theres that much stress on the venue ISP, then they need to change their system somehow to make it work.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
April 04 2011 10:21 GMT
#107
outside of the stream/gamelag issues i was just hugely dissapointed by the very very small number of games casted.


granted i didnt camp infront of my pc the entire weekend but i saw maybe 3 or 4 series? given that i still spend like 12 hours watching over the weekend thats just not acceptable. if it wasnt for the at times very funny LR thread ( sadly also huge amounts of pure idiocy in there...) i wouldve just turned off.


life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 04 2011 10:32 GMT
#108
Yep, so few games casted it was shocking.

So many times through the weekend I clicked on the stream and on only one occasion was a game actually being shown.

I'd not seen any MLGs before, and this one left a sad impression :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 10:38:56
April 04 2011 10:38 GMT
#109
On April 04 2011 18:56 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 14:21 teamrocket1 wrote:
Although I still think that LAN support is a must for these type of events, I'm pretty much in agreement that the entire production this weekend was way off par from what I expected. Maybe I expected too much, but I sort of had this idea that streams would be consistently going every few minutes and the downtime between games would be negligible.. Maybe just enough to get some interesting remarks/comments from DJwheat and Day9. Instead we sat waiting sometimes hours on end for something, anything. I know alot of that had to do with the connection BS, but still even today when games were being played and the connections seemed fine there was just way too much downtime between matches. Overall, I give MLG credit for trying to bring esports to the masses, but I'm not going to give them credit for much more than that.

They're trying alright, but that's pretty much it. I had some spare time last evening and said to myself "hey, let's have a look at the MLG". Saw some cool games initially, but after those: 45min down time. Well, that's annoying. Next I hear that some really good games are apparently not going to get casted, for reasons unbeknowst to everyone.. I basically followed Idra vs. TLO via twitter..

Thing is, MLG is mainly a Xbox360-event. MLG got big on HALO, a game where the top players have about as much skill as incredibly average PC FPS gamers, due to controler limitations. It's not a Starcraft-exclusive event like the GSL. The guys at mlg have to spread their focus to different things at the same time.

The problem is that they're not spreading their focus equally, nor are they even trying to do so. As people have pointed out in this thread, the difference in production value between Reach/Black Ops and SC2 is mind blowing. They have a bigger budget and more sponsor backing than most smaller LANs put together, and yet they fail to deliver content of even half the quality. The only excuse is lack of effort.

On April 04 2011 16:46 KawaiiRice wrote:
I shouldn't have to wake up and not know I play in an hour
or go to the last day of the event with nothing and be told I have consolation matches

les go MLG !
I... I have no words. :|
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
JiMMyUriNE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States49 Posts
April 04 2011 11:13 GMT
#110
And to think, I was actually jealous before this Dallas event started. I went to the one last year and was happy sitting on my ass watching the games in a crowded area.
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
April 04 2011 11:13 GMT
#111
I agree with most of the OP, but his first point is the most important along with the goal of showing games all the time. It should be fairly obvious that it should be match, 5-10min commentator banter+commercials (total), next match.

If it's extremely difficult to get that schedule to work out or something (i can't imagine it would be, but if) then just give wheat day9 and jp some replays and have then commentate that while waiting. Another alternative is having some pre made interviews. Especially after each day of play ask players about the whole field etc etc.

I assume the lag/connection stuff will be fixed for next time, but this is almost as important. SHOW ME THE GAMES PRETTY PLEASE!
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 11:24:47
April 04 2011 11:14 GMT
#112
Slop3, from the swedish esports taboid rakaka, was crazy angry in his videoblog today. He pointed out every production and tech miss MLG did, and said that he as a newcomer to SC2 can't understand what the fuck is going on. To bad he doesn't do his videos in english, MLG should see it, now they only can see how pissed and red in the face he is.

They should fly him in and sit down and talk with him, many years in streamin production, is in LA and doing film production studies or something. MLG, you need people that know what they are talking about, now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&

Edit:

PS. Stop those plans on trying to sell this kind of production in europe before the production value is much better.
I am not young enough to know everything.
Clamev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany498 Posts
April 04 2011 11:17 GMT
#113
Well because everybody has been saying basically the same thing about stream and lag.
I just wanted to say that it would be really if they had a graphic showing the updated brackets.
because a lot of times i just did not know what was going and if the player that just lost was out or what.
6Pool or die trying
Mr Mauve
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom386 Posts
April 04 2011 11:17 GMT
#114
Many excellent suggestions in this thread, allow me to chuck in 2 random unstructured comments:

1. I've had a good think and have decided to love the tournament structure, at least the way the championship losers' bracket works and the way a coherent and exciting story could be generated (first you must overcome the people who came 5th in their pools... then the people who came 4th... then the people who came 3rd... etc, until you reach the END BOSS).

The production team need to help the commentators get this across with some graphics and some match reports. It's so so bush league for Day[9] to be alt-tabbing to a monochrome graphic somewhere on the Internet and reading from @TeamLiquid to help explain what's going on. Given the amount of downtime to fill between the rounds (only 1 game broadcast per round, remember), there needs to be at bare minimum a summary match report for the commentators to access (or a roving reporter to deliver - JP, what's happening in the other matches?). I watched a small fraction of Sheth's journey and that was done pretty well given the resources available to the commentators, but there are 4 separate stories going on at once during the championship bracket and they're all worthy of coverage.

2. Do an experiment with me. Pretend you don't know anything about what happened over the last 3 days. Try as hard as you can to not use your existing knowledge of which links on the MLG website go where. Google "MLG" and try to work out what happened in the Starcraft 2 tournament.

I'd love to know the fraction of people who end up here:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/leaderboards/2/3/16


Suppose you came to this page as an outsider... what on Earth does it mean?
Hello! How are you today?
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
April 04 2011 11:19 GMT
#115
The guy doing the TL twitter did a better job with updates, interviews, reactions and information than any MLG staffmember I saw. Maybe hire him to replace what was probably 3-4 backend staff working on your live feed / pro circuit desk / whatever.
Knu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States67 Posts
April 04 2011 11:23 GMT
#116
This thread is amazing. There are some great ideas/suggestions in here.
TrANCE,
Profile Joined December 2010
301 Posts
April 04 2011 11:23 GMT
#117
Agree 100% The organization of the games being broadcasted seems to have noone.
I like listening to Day9 and Wheat usually but this tournament for the first time i just had to mute them it felt like 10% games 90% desperately thinking of stuff to fill the void.
and the casting booth was the tackiest thing i have seen in years that looked like some home studio must have been a 2 for 1 deal on the monitors and the polished aluminium with strange patterns in it looked horrendous the lights made it look like some cheap american daytime soap. Not that i want any money to be spent on the background the Sc2 poster from last season would do nicely.

I still could have stomached everything else if the games were well organised
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
April 04 2011 11:50 GMT
#118
On April 04 2011 20:17 Mr Mauve wrote:
2. Do an experiment with me. Pretend you don't know anything about what happened over the last 3 days. Try as hard as you can to not use your existing knowledge of which links on the MLG website go where. Google "MLG" and try to work out what happened in the Starcraft 2 tournament.

I'd love to know the fraction of people who end up here:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/leaderboards/2/3/16


Suppose you came to this page as an outsider... what on Earth does it mean?


I'm not an outsider, have been trying to use MLGs site plenty of times, I still don't get it. I don't know how many times I have tried to find a fking bracket and just ended up here in the LR thread trying to find the link.

A newcomer to SC2 is going to give up in a minute and just continue to watch Halo.
I am not young enough to know everything.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
April 04 2011 11:56 GMT
#119
On April 04 2011 20:50 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 20:17 Mr Mauve wrote:
2. Do an experiment with me. Pretend you don't know anything about what happened over the last 3 days. Try as hard as you can to not use your existing knowledge of which links on the MLG website go where. Google "MLG" and try to work out what happened in the Starcraft 2 tournament.

I'd love to know the fraction of people who end up here:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/leaderboards/2/3/16


Suppose you came to this page as an outsider... what on Earth does it mean?


I'm not an outsider, have been trying to use MLGs site plenty of times, I still don't get it. I don't know how many times I have tried to find a fking bracket and just ended up here in the LR thread trying to find the link.
Good to know I'm not alone in that regard. =/
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
April 04 2011 11:56 GMT
#120
i really do hate mlg they are just so bad compared to just about every other tournaments out there.
always go for the win!
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 40m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JuggernautJason61
StarCraft: Brood War
HiyA 85
910 33
soO 20
Dota 2
monkeys_forever693
NeuroSwarm214
League of Legends
JimRising 501
Super Smash Bros
PPMD63
Other Games
summit1g10717
FrodaN1085
shahzam555
PiGStarcraft227
ToD138
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2267
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 86
• RyuSc2 39
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22381
Other Games
• imaqtpie767
• Shiphtur146
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
10h 40m
Snow vs Shinee
Shine vs EffOrt
GSL
11h 40m
PiGosaur Cup
1d
The PondCast
1d 10h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL
5 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
5 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Proleague 2026-09-14
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.